QB1 Quinn "La Joya" Ewers - The Man The Myth The Mullet

[Derka 6379]

arguing about whether or not xavier worthy has been good for the chiefs in the quinn ewers thread. the goalposts in this thread have been moved so far we are now playing soccer. 

Edited November 20 by Derka

[sidis 9857]

4 minutes ago, Derka said:

arguing about whether or not xavier worthy has been good for the chiefs in the quinn ewers thread. the goalposts in this thread have been moved so far we are now playing soccer. 

refereed by david coote after bumping a line.

[Scuba Saba 30]

I question criticizing the run game without taking into consideration the effect of having an immobile QB. You cannot ignore how mush easier that makes it for the defense.  

[sidis 9857]

5 minutes ago, Scuba Saba said:

I question criticizing the run game without taking into consideration the effect of having an immobile QB. You cannot ignore how mush easier that makes it for the defense.  

or the ability to make any of the dbs respect the probability of connecting on even an uncovered deep route.

[Codaxx 5973]

15 minutes ago, Scuba Saba said:

I question criticizing the run game without taking into consideration the effect of having an immobile QB. You cannot ignore how mush easier that makes it for the defense.  

The odd thing is I dont think Ewers is immobile. He has actually shown the ability to scramble (Washington game). He just has really bad pocket awareness. We saw him move in the pocket with minimal pressure and somehow run into a pass rusher that is engaged with a blocker in the Ark game. Somehow, he didnt notice the 600 pounds of humanity. it's bizarre 

[TreatyOak 16812]

Ewers is our best QB since Colt McCoy. 
First Texas QB since Colt to win a conference championship
Threw five TDs two weeks ago against conference opponent
Threw two TDs and 0 INTS on the road last week in double-digit road win against a conference opponent that has a sociopathic-level motivation to beat our program. His second TD was an amazing throw on the run. 
I've gotten to hang with him over the last three summers, and he is a genuinely nice and good person 

The wonderful thing about Surly Horns is that it is a forum for everyone to share their views, and I always enjoy all of your posts, even when I disagree with what's been written.
Just wanted to remind us all that we are incredibly lucky to have this outstanding young man represent our program. 

And yes, I'm out of shape. Fuck you. I turned 65 last week. 

[DreadHead 117]

2 hours ago, TreatyOak said:

Ewers is our best QB since Colt McCoy. 
First Texas QB since Colt to win a conference championship
Threw five TDs two weeks ago against conference opponent
Threw two TDs and 0 INTS on the road last week in double-digit road win against a conference opponent that has a sociopathic-level motivation to beat our program. His second TD was an amazing throw on the run. 
I've gotten to hang with him over the last three summers, and he is a genuinely nice and good person 
The wonderful thing about Surly Horns is that it is a forum for everyone to share their views, and I always enjoy all of your posts, even when I disagree with what's been written.
Just wanted to remind us all that we are incredibly lucky to have this outstanding young man represent our program. 
And yes, I'm out of shape. Fuck you. I turned 65 last week. 

I like Quinn and I want him to succeed, as he goes Texas goes.

That said, I think he'd have even more success hitting those deep passes.

Edit: Punctuation

Edited November 20 by DreadHead

[AeroHorn 781]

“go’s”

this is ingenuity

[sidis 9857]

5 minutes ago, AeroHorn said:

“go’s”

this is ingenuity

well we know he isn't talking about a "go route."

[South Austin 52745]

1 hour ago, TreatyOak said:

Ewers is our best QB since Colt McCoy. 

. . .

And yes, I'm out of shape. Fuck you. I turned 65 last week. 

I like Quinn, and don't doubt your impressions of him as a person.  And having met you in person, you're in damn good shape for 65, and am actually surprised at that age. 

But, I think Sam Ehlinger has been our best QB since Colt.  Yes, Quinn has him on a conference title.  But Quinn has better talent and coaching around him than Sam ever had, by a mile.  And I think Sam is a better overall passer, more of a dual threat with a much better pocket presence, and showed a bit more fire and mental toughness than Quinn.  

I'm not bashing Quinn at all.  I'm rooting my ass for him these next two games (and hopefully beyond this season).  Just responding to your first assertion.

[hobbes2702 13164]

4 hours ago, WinningIsHard said:

48 targets and only 24 catches, that seems less than ideal. Upon further digging, 3 of his catches have resulted in 120 of his yards. 21 receptions for 187 yards running a 4.21 40. He's a great longhorn and I'm glad he played at Texas but elite is not a title I'd give him. 

He was an elite college wr. This is so stupid.

[Skipper 6325]

7 minutes ago, South Austin said:

I like Quinn, and don't doubt your impressions of him as a person.  And having met you in person, you're in damn good shape for 65, and am actually surprised at that age. 

But, I think Sam Ehlinger has been our best QB since Colt.  Yes, Quinn has him on a conference title.  But Quinn has better talent and coaching around him than Sam ever had, by a mile.  And I think Sam is a better overall passer, more of a dual threat with a much better pocket presence, and showed a bit more fire and mental toughness than Quinn.  

I'm not bashing Quinn at all.  I'm rooting my ass for him these next two games (and hopefully beyond this season).  Just responding to your first assertion.

They are just different QB's.  That aside, Sam was more consistent.  Quinn is better than Sam overall when he is "on" IMO without much question.  I'm not sure Sam could have won that game @ Bama last year.  But Quinn's floor is lower.  When his fastball isn't working, he doesn't have Sam's ability to make things happen with his legs.

[TreatyOak 16812]

15 minutes ago, South Austin said:

I like Quinn, and don't doubt your impressions of him as a person.  And having met you in person, you're in damn good shape for 65, and am actually surprised at that age. 

But, I think Sam Ehlinger has been our best QB since Colt.  Yes, Quinn has him on a conference title.  But Quinn has better talent and coaching around him than Sam ever had, by a mile.  And I think Sam is a better overall passer, more of a dual threat with a much better pocket presence, and showed a bit more fire and mental toughness than Quinn.  

I'm not bashing Quinn at all.  I'm rooting my ass for him these next two games (and hopefully beyond this season).  Just responding to your first assertion.

Haha, thanks for the personal shout-out.

As a Westlake 'honk,' I love Sam and agree that he was a special, unique player, plus an incredible competitor and winner. And yes, Quinn's team and coaching is much better. 

However, I think Quinn's ceiling is higher and I think his top performances have been better. While there is much legitimate criticism of him here, he has made several throws that are simply unreal. His sideline toss to R. Johnson while scrambling vs Oklahoma two years ago comes to mind. So does his TD throw to Worthy vs Alabama, which is (amazingly) criticized here. 

Thanks again and congrats on your daughter's transition to college! 

[Skipper 6325]

2 minutes ago, TreatyOak said:

Haha, thanks for the personal shout-out.

As a Westlake 'honk,' I love Sam and agree that he was a special, unique player, plus an incredible competitor and winner. And yes, Quinn's team and coaching is much better. 

However, I think Quinn's ceiling is higher and I think his top performances have been better. While there is much legitimate criticism of him here, he has made several throws that are simply unreal. His sideline toss to R. Johnson while scrambling vs Oklahoma two years ago comes to mind. So does his TD throw to Worthy vs Alabama, which is (amazingly) criticized here. 

Thanks again and congrats on your daughter's transition to college! 

The throw he made against OU 49-0 between 2 defenders to JT was as elite as they come.  I think that is the reason for the frustration with Quinn.  Fair or not, you show that kind of potential your first year as a starter, the expectations are that you play at a high to elite level consistently by 3rd year.   My personal expectations were, barring injury, no doubt he would be at the heisman ceremony.  It's expectations relative to performance that is the source of the complaints I think.  He's been a really good QB for us.

I think everyone hopes he can take us on a 3 game heater to end the season and snag a playoff bye and he is 100% capable of doing that.

[Longhornlove 4923]

Quinn transferring here had a huge impact on the trajectory of this program. He led us to a Big 12 championship in record breaking fashion and a playoff birth. People need to remember and embrace that before kicking him to the curb. Manning will have his time, deal with it.

[Dahobbs 17818]

26 minutes ago, Skipper said:

They are just different QB's.  That aside, Sam was more consistent.  Quinn is better than Sam overall when he is "on" IMO without much question.  I'm not sure Sam could have won that game @ Bama last year.  But Quinn's floor is lower.  When his fastball isn't working, he doesn't have Sam's ability to make things happen with his legs.

Sam was not a better passer. But I do think he was a much better leader.  

[Bevo14 8438]

15 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

Sam was not a better passer. But I do think he was a much better leader.  

He was also an extremely tough sumbitch. I still think Quinn can get the job done given how good the team is overall. Michigan won last year with a great defense and a good enough offense.

[South Austin 52745]

26 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

Sam was not a better passer. But I do think he was a much better leader.  

Maybe I have a recency bias because of our frustrations with Quinn as of late, but I'm making a distinction between a better overall passer (Sam) and a better arm (Quinn).  Yeah, when Quinn is "on," he makes some throws we never saw from Sam.  But I think when comparing their college careers at this point, Sam proved to be a more reliable passer than Quinn has.   

And whether you disagree with my better overall passer assessment, the sum of my opinion was that Sam is our best QB since Colt, responding to TreatyOak's specific statement, which includes passing, pocket presence, leadership, durability, running ability, etc.

Edited November 20 by South Austin

[Atticus 4019]

The key to michigans success was defensive depth and being able to control the game with their running attack. 
Us being able to run the ball late in games is not the same thing. 

[Codaxx 5973]

4 minutes ago, South Austin said:

Maybe I have a recency bias because of our frustrations with Quinn as of late, but I'm making a distinction between a better overall passer (Sam) and a better arm (Quinn).  Yeah, when Quinn is "on," he makes some throws we never saw from Sam.  But I think when comparing their college careers at this point, Sam proved to be a more reliable passer than Quinn has.   

Sam is just a guy that was easy to root for. He maximized his talent and he would run into a wall, if he thought that would get the win

[Codaxx 5973]

3 minutes ago, Atticus said:

The key to michigans success was defensive depth and being able to control the game with their running attack. 
Us being able to run the ball late in games is not the same thing. 

They ran that sh!tty offense and asked him to bail them out on 3rd downs. JJ McCarthy was much better than people give him credit. 

[FloridaHorn 4811]

2 hours ago, TreatyOak said:

 

And yes, I'm out of shape. Fuck you. I turned 65 last week. 

I don't think you are over weight, but you are definitely under tall.

[Js1 85811]

And can’t hook ‘em properly 

[TreatyOak 16812]

12 minutes ago, FloridaHorn said:

I don't think you are over weight, but you are definitely under tall.

Didn't stop me from being the top Fleshlight salesman for Q3 in Central Texas, buddy!  

3 minutes ago, Js1 said:

And can’t hook ‘em properly 

Hey, embrace ai, the Cybertruck and the new Hook 'Em. And speaking of the Cybertruck, we need everyone to step up with donations if we are going to hit our target! 

 

[South Austin 52745]

Just now, TreatyOak said:

Hey, embrace ai, the Cybertruck and the new Hook 'Em. And speaking of the Cybertruck, we need everyone to step up with donations if we are going to hit our target! 

I'm in for 10,000 in Dogecoin.

[sith_horn 2407]

2 hours ago, South Austin said:

I like Quinn, and don't doubt your impressions of him as a person.  And having met you in person, you're in damn good shape for 65, and am actually surprised at that age. 

But, I think Sam Ehlinger has been our best QB since Colt.  Yes, Quinn has him on a conference title.  But Quinn has better talent and coaching around him than Sam ever had, by a mile.  And I think Sam is a better overall passer, more of a dual threat with a much better pocket presence, and showed a bit more orders of magnitude greater fire and mental toughness than Quinn.  

I'm not bashing Quinn at all.  I'm rooting my ass for him these next two games (and hopefully beyond this season).  Just responding to your first assertion.

FIFY. Not bashing Quinn either but it's simply not debatable.

[Derka 6379]

 

[mwaadeeb 1282]

24 minutes ago, sith_horn said:

FIFY. Not bashing Quinn either but it's simply not debatable.

I guess you deal in absolutes, sith horn. I think it's highly debatable, in favor of Quinn, and that you'll have to face it by mid December.  

[OU Sucks 9124]

57 minutes ago, Derka said:

 

Thatguy is Barron...Barron is Thatguy!

[Red Five 41090]

1 hour ago, mwaadeeb said:

I guess you deal in absolutes, sith horn. I think it's highly debatable, in favor of Quinn, and that you'll have to face it by mid December.  

Feel like I could argue both sides of this. They are both squarely in that second tier of Texas QBs all time. 

[sith_horn 2407]

4 hours ago, sith_horn said:

and showed a bit more orders of magnitude greater fire and mental toughness than Quinn. 

4 hours ago, mwaadeeb said:

I guess you deal in absolutes, sith horn. I think it's highly debatable, in favor of Quinn, and that you'll have to face it by mid December.  

 

Quinn in no way, shape or form has greater fire and mental toughness than Sam. It is laughable to suggest otherwise. You can argue what I didn't claim, that he's a better passer when he isn't wilting under pressure. There's no doubt he is blessed with greater arm talent and has a higher ceiling. But to claim he has more moxy, fire or mental toughness? Those qualities oozed from Sam's pores.

Hopefully Quinn is working his way back into that zone where he just focuses and plays with confidence. When he's there, our offense is virtually unstoppable. I hope he gets his mojo back and will rejoice as much as any longhorn when he does.

Edited November 21 by sith_horn

[F250 28959]

6 hours ago, South Austin said:

Maybe I have a recency bias because of our frustrations with Quinn as of late, but I'm making a distinction between a better overall passer (Sam) and a better arm (Quinn).  Yeah, when Quinn is "on," he makes some throws we never saw from Sam.  But I think when comparing their college careers at this point, Sam proved to be a more reliable passer than Quinn has.   

And whether you disagree with my better overall passer assessment, the sum of my opinion was that Sam is our best QB since Colt, responding to TreatyOak's specific statement, which includes passing, pocket presence, leadership, durability, running ability, etc.

Sam was never a great passer and definitely had his limitations but he was very consistent. Quinn is definitely a more naturally talented passer and his highs are much higher than Sam's were but his lows are definitely massively lower. Quinn has been a roller coaster every year while Sam was a fucking rock.

Regarding the best QB since Colt, it's definitely Sam Ehlinger. Sam was consistent and when necessary would go into turbo mode to carry the team to victory and didn't struggle with the slumps.

[Funk Doctor Spock 12818]

I see we're still bickering over Quinn. Is there a stopping point, cause you're just going in circles. 

 

Bitch to bitch is fine, but got damn, y'all really in your feelings right now. He is who he is. He's not going superman, he'll throw 2 TD's at most and let the defense beat the shit out of the opponents offense and we walk away victorious. This has heen done all season outside of 2 games against inferior opponents, which one of them hurt his supposed "abs" he had been working on. 

[RoyalBevo21 830]

4 hours ago, mwaadeeb said:

I guess you deal in absolutes, sith horn. I think it's highly debatable, in favor of Quinn, and that you'll have to face it by mid December.  

I think you’re looking at team success and attributing that to Quinn. I don’t hate Quinn, he’s definitely not my type of player in the way he’s introverted and cold. Where Sam was a warrior that would die on the field. Sam played in 46/50 games, undefeated 4-0 postseason record.

 

Tale of the tape (best individual season)

2019 Sam Ehlinger JR. 8-5 

• 296/454 65% 3,663 Yds 32 TDs 10 Ints 
• 663 Rushing Yds 7 TDs 
• Best individual performance: vs #1 LSU 31/47 401 yds 4TD/0int 60 rush yds 1 TD 
• 67th ranked defense 
• 4,326 yds 39 TDs total production 

2023 Quinn Ewers Soph. 12-2

• 272/394 69% 3,479 Yds 22 TDs 6 Ints 
• 75 Rushing Yds 5 TDs 
• Best individual performance: at #4 Alabama 24/38 349 Yds 3TD/0int 11 rush yds 
• 15th Ranked defense
• 3,554 yds 27 TDs total production 

 

yes, Quinn has more arm talent. But durability and production isn’t on the same planet as Sam.

[mwaadeeb 1282]

1 hour ago, sith_horn said:

Quinn in no way, shape or form has greater fire and mental toughness than Sam. It is laughable to suggest otherwise. You can argue what I didn't claim, that he's a better passer when he isn't wilting under pressure. There's no doubt he is blessed with greater arm talent and has a higher ceiling. But to claim he has more moxy, fire or mental toughness? Those qualities oozed from Sam's pores.

Hopefully Quinn is working his way back into that zone where he just focuses and plays with confidence. When he's there, our offense is virtually unstoppable. I hope he gets his mojo back and will rejoice as much as any longhorn when he does.

I would never suggest Quinn has more fire or toughness than Sam, who was special in that way. I totally loved Sam as a UT QB, I only think Quinn is better. And I think the numbers will make it clearl by year’s end.

[RoyalBevo21 830]

1 minute ago, mwaadeeb said:

I would never suggest Quinn has more fire or toughness than Sam, who was special in that way. I totally loved Sam as a UT QB, I only think Quinn is better. And I think the numbers will make it clearl by year’s end.

What numbers? 

[mwaadeeb 1282]

20 minutes ago, RoyalBevo21 said:

What numbers? 

Um - statistics, winning  percentage, championships, etc. If he shits the bed he’ll have proved me wrong. But hope springs eternal. 

Edited November 21 by mwaadeeb

[MrX 745]

10 minutes ago, RoyalBevo21 said:

What numbers? 

Quinn has a better career QBR than Sam?

[RoyalBevo21 830]

17 minutes ago, mwaadeeb said:

Um - statistics? Wins? Stuff like that.

Well it’s not mathematically possible for his statistics to eclipse Sam. Unfortunately I don’t see Quinn with a 460+ yard game left in him. This team is undefeated without Quinn dating back to last year (3-0). Quinn would need to win everything from here just to tie Sam in wins (35)

Edited November 21 by RoyalBevo21

[mwaadeeb 1282]

5 minutes ago, RoyalBevo21 said:

Well it’s not mathematically possible for his statistics to eclipse Sam. Unfortunately I don’t see Quinn with a 460+ yard game left in him. This team is undefeated without Quinn dating back to last year (3-0). Quinn would need to win everything from here just to tie Sam in wins (35)

How many games did Sam play in? I thought he started four years.

Edited November 21 by mwaadeeb

[RoyalBevo21 830]

Just now, mwaadeeb said:

How many games did Sam play in?

46

[MrX 745]

Ewers has 15 less games than Sam

[RoyalBevo21 830]

3 minutes ago, mwaadeeb said:

How many games did Sam play in?

Actually, I lied. I keep forgetting Quinn has missed multiple games from 2022-2024. He’s currently at 23 wins total. So again it isn’t mathematically possible for him to catch Sam in wins. 
 

Ironically, from 2022-2024 Texas is undefeated in games Quinn doesn’t play in (5-0).

Also, records through first 30 games: 

Quinn 23-7 

Sam 20-10

[Had Enough 2094]

Wins generally speaking is a team stat.  There’s no debate that Sam had a less talented team.  
 

Sam was asked to carry his team in a manner you will likely never see again.  The mental and physical endurance it required of him was incredible.  It’s unfortunate that his last year was a cluster in multiple respects.

[Had Enough 2094]

We lost at Tech in 2022 without Ewers.

[jimmyjazz 46498]

Why are y'all talking about gross statistics?  Sam played in 50% more games than Quinn has.

Both are Longhorns.  Loved Sam.  Hoping for a final boost for Quinn.  That said, Quinn has the higher QB Rating (for whatever that's worth) -- 149.7 to 145.

Edited November 21 by jimmyjazz

[RoyalBevo21 830]

8 minutes ago, MrX said:

Ewers has 15 less games than Sam

I adjusted it. Quinn was getting counted as wins in games he didn’t play in. 
 

2022 - 6 

2023 - 10 

2024 - 7

[MrX 745]

I think it’s fair to say Ehlinger and Ewers are close in terms of “overall college QB” to date. I think saying Ehlinger is clearly the better QB of the two is nonsense. 

[RoyalBevo21 830]

3 minutes ago, Had Enough said:

We lost at Tech in 2022 without Ewers.

Good call. I mathed wrong. I saw Quinn had 6 wins in 2022 so just forgot a game. The only reason I brought it up was to illustrate how dumb it is to attribute W/L to one player. 

[RoyalBevo21 830]

8 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I don't have a dog in this hunt, I rooted for both guys, but statisticall (QB Rating) Quinn is currently ahead of Sam (149.7 vs 145.0).

Cue the "QB rating is stupid" responses, and it may very well be, but if we're talking statistics, it's really stupid to look at cumulative career numbers given the radically different # games played.

You can drill it down however you want and Sam still clears. Passing yards in a game, passing yards in a season, TDs in game, TDs in a season. When you add in the rushing yds/tds it’s not close at all.

Edited November 21 by RoyalBevo21