QB1 Quinn "La Joya" Ewers - The Man The Myth The Mullet

[Fastbreak 3988]

1. His hips are rotated incorrectly. He was clearly looking at Helm (2)

2. Helm was super covered. But if his hips were rotated correctly he could have easily hit the crossing route (3).

3. This is a touchdown with a good pass. Instead it’s a sack.

[jimmyjazz 45999]

8 minutes ago, RoyalBevo21 said:

Passing yards in a game

Sam 249/gm, Quinn 244/gm.  Night and day, right?

[RoyalBevo21 780]

5 minutes ago, MrX said:

I think it’s fair to say Ehlinger and Ewers are close in terms of “overall college QB” to date. I think saying Ehlinger is clearly the better QB of the two is nonsense. 

I have the exact same thoughts, but in the opposite direction. Some act like it’s Quinn in a landslide because of the 12-2 playoff season. Which is why I’m giving context to Sam at Texas.

 

Here are two big ones that tell the story.

Quinn Ewers Defense rankings as a starter 

2022  - 28th 

2023 - 15th 

2024 - 1st 

1,000 yard runners: two, Bijan 1,580 - 2022 & Jonathon Brooks 1,139 - 2023 

 

Sam Ehlinger Defense rankings as a starter 

2017 - 30th 

2018 - 58th 

2019 - 67th 

2020 - 61st

1,000 yard runners: None in 4 years

 

[Coelenterate Fuccboi 13119]

This basically summarizes our RB/pass protection issues, too.

[F250 28793]

Just now, Coelenterate Fuccboi said:

This basically summarizes our RB/pass protection issues, too.

Sam Ehlinger would have ripped that pass rusher's neck off and then trucked #10 for a first down.

[Coelenterate Fuccboi 13119]

4 minutes ago, F250 said:

Sam Ehlinger would have ripped that pass rusher's neck off and then trucked #10 for a first down.

[F250 28793]

11 minutes ago, Coelenterate Fuccboi said:

Sugar Bowl, Sam fucking trucked a Georgia DB.

[Had Enough 2083]

Member that time WVU dropped 10 on 3rd and 10 and Sam run ran for a 1st?    Pretty awesome.

To date, as best I can tell Ewers has never started and won a game in which the opponent scored more than 27.  Malik Murphy did it in 2 starts at 30 points.  Nevermind some of that was his doing.

In 2020 alone, Sam won 3 in which the opponent scored 30+ points.  Lost 1 in which the opponent scored 30+ (uh we fumbled on the 1).  Lost one in which we scored 40.  Several of these were OT but still.

In 2019, he won 3 in which the opponent scored more than 30+, one was 48.  He lost 3 in which the opponent scored 30 including 1 in which they scored 40+.

2018 was more of the same.  Beat OU then got a screw job in the championship game.

He had two wins in regulation in which our opponents scored 45+ points.  Lost at least 1 in which we scored 40 in regulation.

[sith_horn 2407]

1 hour ago, mwaadeeb said:

I would never suggest Quinn has more fire or toughness than Sam, who was special in that way. I totally loved Sam as a UT QB, I only think Quinn is better. And I think the numbers will make it clearl by year’s end.

So you mistook my original FIFY of South Austin's quote to include his entire statement or everything about Sam. I guess I could have been less ambiguous by isolating that portion of the quote initially, but figured the strike-through and italics were sufficiently clear what I was emphasizing. It's what stood out to me when I first read it. The book on Quinn isn't totally written yet. We've seen him play great before. He needs to find his way back to that version of himself.

[52-80 19203]

Maybe Ewers is better than Ehlinger when the pass protection is perfect (like in practice) but my measure of QB is to perform when things aren't perfect. The toughness, escapability, and improv is where guys stand out and where Sam is leagues better so far.

[Longhornlove 4837]

3 hours ago, 52-80 said:

Maybe Ewers is better than Ehlinger when the pass protection is perfect (like in practice) but my measure of QB is to perform when things aren't perfect. The toughness, escapability, and improv is where guys stand out and where Sam is leagues better so far.

The measure of a Quarterback is winning.

[52-80 19203]

1 hour ago, Longhornlove said:

The measure of a Quarterback is winning.

If there are 22 of them lined up on the field at any given moment and 11 of them play defense.

[Longhornlove 4837]

4 minutes ago, 52-80 said:

If there are 22 of them lined up on the field at any given moment and 11 of them play defense.

I get that and I'm not saying it is fair but it is what it is. Tom Brady is the GOAT in the NFL, why, because he won. Before him, Joe Montana, why, because he won. It isn't fair but it is true.

[I Plead Da Fif 293]

10 hours ago, F250 said:

Sam was never a great passer and definitely had his limitations but he was very consistent. Quinn is definitely a more naturally talented passer and his highs are much higher than Sam's were but his lows are definitely massively lower. Quinn has been a roller coaster every year while Sam was a fucking rock.

Regarding the best QB since Colt, it's definitely Sam Ehlinger. Sam was consistent and when necessary would go into turbo mode to carry the team to victory and didn't struggle with the slumps.

I feel like we’re having some revisionist history on Sam. I loved Sam. He was a great leader and a great Longhorn that bled burnt orange. His battering ram nature had the offense playing at a higher level than without it with a swagger we needed.
 

That said, comparing Sam’s and Quinn’s 2nd and 3rd year stats does not convey Sam was a more consistent passer. Quinn has greatly benefitted from having a better roster around him resulting in more wins on his down games than Sam, but I feel pretty strongly the stats don’t say Sam was a more consistent passer.

Sam 2nd and 3rd year

Quinn’s 2nd and 3rd Year

 

I think what is more frustrating to folks is we know Quinn has more talent, he just doesn’t consistently put it all together. 

[Had Enough 2083]

14 minutes ago, I Plead Da Fif said:

think what is more frustrating to folks is we know Quinn has more talent, he just doesn’t consistently put it all together. 

Here’s where I get confused.  It seems we have different definitions of talent.  I generally think “physical” traits as others use the term talent.  Yes, Ewers has a stronger, more lively arm than Sam.  Hell, he may even be faster than Sam.  In college, you just need QBs to make plays however they come.  Interestingly enough, Ewers has a livelier, stronger arm than Vince Young.  Anyone here going to call him more talented?  Sam has more attributes closer to Young than Ewers does to Young.

Traditional passing stats are good, but they’re very limited relative to what you have today.  If you wish to compare completion percentage, that’s fairly useless.  For example Ewers has thrown 32% and 27% of his passes behind the LOS the past two years.  Sam never threw more than 20% (be mindful Sark is more a screen guy than Herman).  In their careers those completion %s in that range are from 91-95%.  Quick math on the 32% gives you around 10% higher completion percentage in total before you even get to the other depths.

Even if we talk win percentage, is it not equal or higher in non-Quinn starts  than Quinn starts the past 3 years?

All of the discussion requires context.  The simple answer based on numbers is simply that.  The simple answer.

 

[Derka 6282]

i talked to someone yesterday who i trust who basically said that Sark is obviously aware of how much QE has regressed, but that Sark is really really big on thinking long term, so its as simple as this:

benching quinn ewers at any point this season would totally poison the well barring a national title run, and even then certain bridges would be burned.

first of all, Sark and the manning family have been working on a plan for Arch for years, and that plan has never involved Arch being the starter as a redshirt freshman. so not only would you be effectively ending QE’s college career (at Texas at least) which would not go over well with the locker room, you’d also be screwing up your future plans for Arch, and burning bridges on that front as well. and of course then if Arch doesn’t perform or gets hurt, now you’re really fucked, not just for this season, but in your locker room, in the transfer portal, and going forward as well.

so, Sark is going to stick with Quinn, go as far as he can go with him, hope to make a deep playoff run (they obviously still believe they can win the whole thing, the view from inside that locker room is obviously wildly more optimistic than the one from our keyboards and couches), and let the chips fall where they may for the 2024 season. after that, we kill it in the portal again, Arch takes over as a really mature and developed redshirt sophomore, and Texas Football remains in a place to be crushing it yearly with recruits and competing for titles on a regular basis. it all makes sense, and it’s an example of why Sark is the HC at UT, and we are a bunch of keyboard warriors.

Edited Thursday at 03:45 PM by Derka

[Derka 6282]

also, hearing that Sark is (OB•VI•OUS•LY) aware of QE’s visible regression makes thatguy’s 5,000 posts swearing that QE is as good as ever and has never made a mistake that much more hilarious.

Edited Thursday at 03:45 PM by Derka

[MAUFRAIS 6630]

Shut the thread down now?

[Longhornlove 4837]

5 minutes ago, Derka said:

Sark is going to stick with Quinn, go as far as he can go with him

I know I have said this exact same thing multiple times in this thread. Pretty sure I'm not the only one. I will say it again. Quinn is the starter until he leaves or gets hurt. If he isn't we are fucked because he had a Chris Simms big 12 championship type meltdown. I'm glad someone finally made you see the light.

Edited Thursday at 03:47 PM by Longhornlove

[Longhornlove 4837]

3 minutes ago, MAUFRAIS said:

Shut the thread down now?

LOL, our work is done here. Lock it up.

[Hookem10 754]

If you can’t believe the internet who can you believe 

[WinningIsHard 4052]

100% certain quinn will cost us a national championship this year to trust the corches.....L O L. Wyatt, I am rolling. 

[Dahobbs 17626]

9 minutes ago, Derka said:

also, hearing that Sark is (OB•VI•OUS•LY) aware of QE’s visible regression makes thatguy’s 5,000 posts swearing that QE is as good as ever and has never made a mistake that much more hilarious.

I don't believe @Thatguy has ever said that. 

[RoyalBevo21 780]

10 minutes ago, Derka said:

i talked to someone yesterday who i trust who basically said that Sark is obviously aware of how much QE has regressed, but that Sark is really really big on thinking long term, so its as simple as this:

benching quinn ewers at any point this season would totally poison the well barring a national title run, and even then certain bridges would be burned.

first of all, Sark and the manning family have been working on a plan for Arch for years, and that plan has never involved Arch being the starter as a redshirt freshman. so not only would you be effectively ending QE’s college career (at Texas at least) which would not go over well with the locker room, you’d also be screwing up your future plans for Arch, and burning bridges on that front as well. and of course then if Arch doesn’t perform or gets hurt, now you’re really fucked, not just for this season, but in your locker room, in the transfer portal, and going forward as well.

so, Sark is going to stick with Quinn, go as far as he can go with him, hope to make a deep playoff run (they obviously still believe they can win the whole thing, the view from inside that locker room is obviously wildly more optimistic than the one from our keyboards and couches), and let the chips fall where they may for the 2024 season. after that, we kill it in the portal again, Arch takes over as a really mature and developed redshirt sophomore, and Texas Football remains in a place to be crushing it yearly with recruits and competing for titles on a regular basis. it all makes sense, and it’s an example of why Sark is the HC at UT, and we are a bunch of keyboard warriors.

And that explains exactly why Alabama and Saban have more titles in the last 15 years than Texas does, ever. This team, RIGHT NOW has a legitimate shot at a title. Isn’t that why you take a job at Texas, wtf are we talking about the future for when it’s already right in front of you? Sark may never have a defense this good for the rest of his career, and we’re going to waste it because we don’t want hurt feelings? 
 

Saban: “Fuck Hurts, let’s win this bitch today. Tua, you’re in!” 
 

Texas: “well we better give Case McCoy a scholarship because it will look good to the Texas HSFB coaches.” 
 

Texas: “Let’s not potentially win the title this year and give ourselves a shot. We gotta think about how good we MIGHT be in the future instead.” 
 

Unreal….

[jimmyjazz 45999]

4 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

I don't believe @Thatguy has ever said that. 

Yeah, it's obvious that Quinn is not in peak form.  I think the main disagreement is whether he is the guy to start at this point in time, especially from Sark's perspective.  Derka's post, if accurate, confirms what many of us have surmised.

[Derka 6282]

6 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

I don't believe @Thatguy has ever said that. 

it’s true, i have a penchant for hyperbole. still, there’s no denying that thatguy has bent over backwards to absolve QE of blame, or to even acknowledge a myriad of QE’s many obvious issues throughout this thread. he’s been an unabashed QE sunshine pumper, of this there is no doubt.

[Longhornlove 4837]

What is amazing is people think starting a RS Freshman over a RS Junior with 3 years experience who won you the first conference title in forever and a playoff birth last year is what is going to get us over the top. You can't make this shit up.

3 minutes ago, Derka said:

it’s true, i have a penchant for hyperbole. still, there’s no denying that thatguy has bent over backwards to absolve QE of blame, or to even acknowledge a myriad of QE’s many obvious issues throughout this thread. he’s been an unabashed QE sunshine pumper, of this there is no doubt.

You have bent over backwards to do the exact opposite, what is your excuse?

[Tyrone Krivacs 50]

Just now, Longhornlove said:

What is amazing is people think starting a RS Freshman over a RS Junior with 3 years experience who won you the first conference title in forever and a playoff birth last year is what is going to get us over the top. You can't make this shit up.

And how many practices do they watch?

[Longhornlove 4837]

Just now, Tyrone Krivacs said:

And how many practices do they watch?

[South Austin 52523]

18 minutes ago, Hookem10 said:

If you can’t believe the internet who can you believe 

Politicians.

[Hank Kingsley 20991]

23 minutes ago, Derka said:

i talked to someone yesterday who i trust who basically said that Sark is obviously aware of how much QE has regressed, but that Sark is really really big on thinking long term, so its as simple as this:

benching quinn ewers at any point this season would totally poison the well barring a national title run, and even then certain bridges would be burned.

first of all, Sark and the manning family have been working on a plan for Arch for years, and that plan has never involved Arch being the starter as a redshirt freshman. so not only would you be effectively ending QE’s college career (at Texas at least) which would not go over well with the locker room, you’d also be screwing up your future plans for Arch, and burning bridges on that front as well. and of course then if Arch doesn’t perform or gets hurt, now you’re really fucked, not just for this season, but in your locker room, in the transfer portal, and going forward as well.

so, Sark is going to stick with Quinn, go as far as he can go with him, hope to make a deep playoff run (they obviously still believe they can win the whole thing, the view from inside that locker room is obviously wildly more optimistic than the one from our keyboards and couches), and let the chips fall where they may for the 2024 season. after that, we kill it in the portal again, Arch takes over as a really mature and developed redshirt sophomore, and Texas Football remains in a place to be crushing it yearly with recruits and competing for titles on a regular basis. it all makes sense, and it’s an example of why Sark is the HC at UT, and we are a bunch of keyboard warriors.

This all makes sense and I agree with the plan and timeline. 

But we can't take these opportunities to win a NC for granted. We need more out of Quinn moving forward. Sark needs to stop overprotecting him and get this offense firing on all cylinders. 

 

 

[Derka 6282]

6 minutes ago, Longhornlove said:

What is amazing is people think starting a RS Freshman over a RS Junior with 3 years experience who won you the first conference title in forever and a playoff birth last year is what is going to get us over the top. You can't make this shit up.

You have bent over backwards to do the exact opposite, what is your excuse?

no, i, and many many others in this thread have been fairly and objectively critical of quinn, just as we would any other player. don’t confuse the unpopularity of those takes with them being contrived or slanted. 

Edited Thursday at 04:13 PM by Derka

[Longhornlove 4837]

1 minute ago, Derka said:

fairly and objectively critical of quinn

This is BS and you know it.

[futureman 22504]

Trey Owens is the best qb on the roster.  

[dcar00 14314]

6 minutes ago, futureman said:

Trey Owens is the best qb on the roster.  

I know right, He's a future Mike fucking White and we have him riding the pine.  shit's crazy.

[Derka 6282]

9 minutes ago, Longhornlove said:

This is BS and you know it.

if you’d like to quote something specific i’d be happy to address it. because right now i’m pretty sure you have me confused with BO&W.

[bad_teammate 13219]

27 minutes ago, Longhornlove said:

What is amazing is people think starting a RS Freshman over a RS Junior with 3 years experience who won you the first conference title in forever and a playoff birth last year is what is going to get us over the top.

I am very glad we have Coach Sarkisian, because we sports fans are absolute morons.

[MrBig 5423]

29 minutes ago, Longhornlove said:

What is amazing is people think starting a RS Freshman over a RS Junior with 3 years experience who won you the first conference title in forever and a playoff birth last year is what is going to get us over the top. You can't make this shit up.

Criticizing Quinn’s game does not mean people are calling for Arch to start. You’re conflating the two things. That ship has sailed. Quinn is our starter if he is not injured. We just want him to play like a 3rd year starter and not someone whose skills are so limited it makes Sark have to water down his offense. 

Quinn needs to get his head out of his ass and play better because we know he can. Sark needs to have Arch ready to go as QB1 in case Quinn has another Georgia type game and Arch isn’t thrown into the fire again.

If we end up 10-2 just like a bunch of other SEC teams, we miss the SEC Championship game and there’s a chance we could be left out of the CFP altogether because our “game management” type of offensive is painful on the eyes even though our D is the best in the country. 

[Codaxx 5800]

1 hour ago, I Plead Da Fif said:

I feel like we’re having some revisionist history on Sam. I loved Sam. He was a great leader and a great Longhorn that bled burnt orange. His battering ram nature had the offense playing at a higher level than without it with a swagger we needed.
 

That said, comparing Sam’s and Quinn’s 2nd and 3rd year stats does not convey Sam was a more consistent passer. Quinn has greatly benefitted from having a better roster around him resulting in more wins on his down games than Sam, but I feel pretty strongly the stats don’t say Sam was a more consistent passer.

Sam 2nd and 3rd year

Quinn’s 2nd and 3rd Year

 

I think what is more frustrating to folks is we know Quinn has more talent, he just doesn’t consistently put it all together. 

I think it can be simple. I think everyone would have been happy if Sam returned for 1 more year. 

I think the fanbase would meltdown if Quinn decided to return for next year.  

[MrBig 5423]

2 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

I think the fanbase would meltdown if Quinn decided to return for next year.  

The Davis Law Firm would be sued for false advertising if Quinn came back to Texas for another year. 

[perfectchaos007 6677]

4 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

I think it can be simple. I think everyone would have been happy if Sam returned for 1 more year. 

I think the fanbase would meltdown if Quinn decided to return for next year.  

Yeah it’s a little different when the guy waiting in the wings was Card/Thompson back then, but now it’s Manning. 

[Codaxx 5800]

4 minutes ago, MrBig said:

The Davis Law Firm would be sued for false advertising if Quinn came back to Texas for another year. 

which is crazy. You have people saying Quinn is the unquestioned best option to lead the team this year, despite the obvious struggles, but he is unquestionably not the guy for next year. Imagine saying that about any other position. There would parades if Barron, Banks, Bond, Cam Williams, etc annouced they were coming back. 

Edited Thursday at 04:49 PM by Codaxx

[mwaadeeb 1233]

2 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

which is crazy. You have people saying Quinn is the unquestioned best option to lead the team this year, despite the obvious struggles, but he is unquestionably no the guy for next year. Imagine saying that about any other position. There would parades if Barron, Banks, Bond, Cam Williams, etc annoucced they were coming back. 

There's nothing "unquestioned" man. It's all questioned. The answer is the thing. 

[Longhornlove 4837]

15 minutes ago, MrBig said:

Criticizing Quinn’s game does not mean people are calling for Arch to start. You’re conflating the two things. That ship has sailed. Quinn is our starter if he is not injured. We just want him to play like a 3rd year starter and not someone whose skills are so limited it makes Sark have to water down his offense. 

Quinn needs to get his head out of his ass and play better because we know he can. Sark needs to have Arch ready to go as QB1 in case Quinn has another Georgia type game and Arch isn’t thrown into the fire again.

If we end up 10-2 just like a bunch of other SEC teams, we miss the SEC Championship game and there’s a chance we could be left out of the CFP altogether because our “game management” type of offensive is painful on the eyes even though our D is the best in the country. 

Derka Pos repped your post, you might rethink some of what you said LOL. I agree with most of what you say except there are quite a few that at minimum are implying Quinn should be replaced. Comments like, Sark should be giving Arch more practice reps. What exactly do you think comments like that imply?

[jimmyjazz 45999]

4 minutes ago, mwaadeeb said:

There's nothing "unquestioned" man. It's all questioned. The answer is the thing. 

This.  There may be a few outliers, but for the most part the people who understand why Sark is rolling with Quinn also see the shades of gray.  It's frustrating to have to keep explaining this.  If you have to misrepresent the perspective of someone you're debating, you're probably losing that debate.

[Thatguy 8761]

57 minutes ago, Derka said:

i talked to someone yesterday who i trust who basically said that Sark is obviously aware of how much QE has regressed, but that Sark is really really big on thinking long term, so its as simple as this:

benching quinn ewers at any point this season would totally poison the well barring a national title run, and even then certain bridges would be burned.

first of all, Sark and the manning family have been working on a plan for Arch for years, and that plan has never involved Arch being the starter as a redshirt freshman. so not only would you be effectively ending QE’s college career (at Texas at least) which would not go over well with the locker room, you’d also be screwing up your future plans for Arch, and burning bridges on that front as well. and of course then if Arch doesn’t perform or gets hurt, now you’re really fucked, not just for this season, but in your locker room, in the transfer portal, and going forward as well.

so, Sark is going to stick with Quinn, go as far as he can go with him, hope to make a deep playoff run (they obviously still believe they can win the whole thing, the view from inside that locker room is obviously wildly more optimistic than the one from our keyboards and couches), and let the chips fall where they may for the 2024 season. after that, we kill it in the portal again, Arch takes over as a really mature and developed redshirt sophomore, and Texas Football remains in a place to be crushing it yearly with recruits and competing for titles on a regular basis. it all makes sense, and it’s an example of why Sark is the HC at UT, and we are a bunch of keyboard warriors.

First thing this is some made up BS.

I have a source that is extremely plugged in. I sit down and talk to this source IN PERSON a couple times a week and he shares stuff he cannot talk about on air with me. In fact, we were sitting at a game together when Sark called and he had to duck out and take it. People in here that know me in person and know where I live will know who it is I am talking about. I have promised to not ever share what I know is going on behind the scenes in detail so I will just sum it up like this.

It's not that complicated. Arch is good but is behind Quinn on diagnosing the field and that's why he isn't starting. He is impatient, wants to take the big shot, and regularly misses the easy underneath throw for the guy in double coverage. Both these guys have holes in their game and Sark went with the guy he thought he had the best chance to win with. Sark is very good at talent evaluation and that's why we don't see wild misses with him. Everyone under Sark who wasn't starting showed exactly why they weren't starting when they got some playing time. And that's the full answer. Not wild conspiracy theories.

[mwaadeeb 1233]

4 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

we were sitting at a game together when Sark called and he had to duck out and take it.

This is troubling.

[Codaxx 5800]

6 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

First thing this is some made up BS.

I have a source that is extremely plugged in. I sit down and talk to this source IN PERSON a couple times a week and he shares stuff he cannot talk about on air with me. In fact, we were sitting at a game together when Sark called and he had to duck out and take it. People in here that know me in person and know where I live will know who it is I am talking about. I have promised to not ever share what I know is going on behind the scenes in detail so I will just sum it up like this.

It's not that complicated. Arch is good but is behind Quinn on diagnosing the field and that's why he isn't starting. He is impatient, wants to take the big shot, and regularly misses the easy underneath throw for the guy in double coverage. Both these guys have holes in their game and Sark went with the guy he thought he had the best chance to win with. Sark is very good at talent evaluation and that's why we don't see wild misses with him. Everyone under Sark who wasn't starting showed exactly why they weren't starting when they got some playing time. And that's the full answer. Not wild conspiracy theories.

[Da Fino 2783]

We got ourselves a source-off

[BabaYaga 15302]

9 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Not wild conspiracy theories.

Well that's not any fucking fun!