QB1 Quinn "La Joya" Ewers - The Man The Myth The Mullet

[Not a Sock 2313]

4 hours ago, Thatguy said:

Sark is very stubborn with his gameplan. He has a QB that is perfect for a 4 wide, get the ball out quick kind of offense but he has to be a couple TDs down before he opens things up. That's his kryptonite. Change. That said, his refusal to run gimmicky offenses IS the reason so many good QB recruits like him. So you take the good with the bad I guess.

 

There most def were plays that were biffed. But sometimes we make offense hard is all. Spread concepts negate the 3 high look and forces obvious 1v1s.

I don’t know about this year, but Rod broke down Ewers sack rate while in empty and 4 wide and is was higher than in 12 personal.

[RoyalBevo21 767]

3 hours ago, closetohumping said:

Sam had some disastrous unforced errors that cost us a few games

2017 Oklahoma St & 2018 Oklahoma part 2 ring a bell. 😔

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3 minutes ago, RoyalBevo21 said:

2017 Oklahoma St & 2018 Oklahoma part 2 ring a bell. 😔

USC vs darnold.  I’m 

[Thatguy 8689]

25 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Counterpoint: Arch Manning is really, really good. He learned from mistakes and improved significantly between his 1st and 2nd starts. Which means he's absorbing the instruction from his coaches, worked to get better, and showed it on the field.

Spoiler alert: Arch will be a better QB from Game 1 next year than Quinn has ever been at Texas. 

 

But then there is that pesky Georgia tape.

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2 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

But then there is that pesky Georgia tape.

Just watched the tape.   That looked more like an indictment on Quinn.   Arch came in for like two drives

[Hank Kingsley 20923]

7 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

But then there is that pesky Georgia tape.

LOL. The game where he got backup reps all week and - in a total panic move by Sark -  was quickly thrown into the fire with a fucked offense after Quinn had to be pulled? Seriously, you're going with that angle?

 

 

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[MrBig 5397]

 

1 hour ago, Zeus said:

nobody really knows what’s up with Quinn he could be playing more hurt than any of us realize

It’s lame how Quinn can still be injured and score like he did against Florida but when he looks how he did against Arkansas it’s because of the injury. 

Sark just has to win and this all goes away. After we win a national championship we can argue in this thread whether Quinn is our version of Stetson Bennett or the second coming of VY.

[Llewelyn Moss 210]

6 hours ago, GTNY said:

Has anyone seen good film breakdown of why Jaxson Dart was able to put up 515 yards and 6 TDs on Arkansas a week prior to our game but we couldn't? What were they doing differently than us to put up 63 points? Figure some 9.95er has done a breakdown

Main difference: Ark played a ton of 3-high, Iowa-state style D against us. They played much more mixed against Ole Miss: some of the 3-high, but also some man free (1 safety high, man everywhere else) and a lot more 2-high. The 3-high is Sark’s kryptonite and his main way to beat it is running out of 12 personnel (or in 2022 against ISU, even 3 TEs). Ole Miss punished the 2-high and man coverage. 
 

The other thing relevant to Quinn is that Dart will take chances—early in the game against Ark, he threw into tight windows or against some decent man coverage on go routes and just made good throws. Sark’s offense is designed to produce wide open shots. Watch for contested throws/catches some time—we get the occasional like Golden’s TD catch on the sprint out, but Quinn does not test windows very often, and Sark has appeared to coach him not to. Dart may throw some more INTs than Quinn, but he also gets the payoff when he fits into some tight windows. 

Also, Ark had at least one major coverage bust against Ole Miss but none against us (or none we made them pay for). 
 

My $0.02.

[Funk Doctor Spock 12190]

6 hours ago, Da Fino said:

We got ourselves a source-off

 

[I Plead Da Fif 271]

5 hours ago, Had Enough said:

Who is more talented - Vince or Ewers?

I have no doubts Ewers will get drafted.  He might even be great.  Hell I think we’re winning it all this year.

 

 

This is a pretty simple answer: Vince. I’m not that stupid, man. Running ability, accuracy and decision making improved throughout his career and his deep ball was better than QE.

[B00M 6415]

9 minutes ago, Llewelyn Moss said:

The other thing relevant to Quinn is that Dart will take chances—early in the game against Ark, he threw into tight windows or against some decent man coverage on go routes and just made good throws. Sark’s offense is designed to produce wide open shots. 

Early in games defenses are seemingly able to guess where Quinn wants to go and jump routes. It seems like an inordinate number of our opening drives end up with picks. Even arch got picked first drive from MSU right? Hell QE’s first throw against Georgia had a LB roll into the passing lane and QE was very lucky because he didn’t see him. 

[WinningIsHard 4030]

55 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

No one said Worthy and AD were never good. However, if you are watching the NFL the same issues they had here they are having there.

 

This might be the best post on those whole thread. I spit out my drink. Pos rep!!

Athletes that played wr, instead of wr’s who are athletes. It seems like a small thing but in reality it’s the difference between Mitchell/worthy and Nabers/thomas jr. I don’t know why that irritates people so much. 

[Llewelyn Moss 210]

4 minutes ago, B00M said:

Early in games defenses are seemingly able to guess where Quinn wants to go and jump routes. It seems like an inordinate number of our opening drives end up with picks. Even arch got picked first drive from MSU right? Hell QE’s first throw against Georgia had a LB roll into the passing lane and QE was very lucky because he didn’t see him. 

Same with Vandy. It’s def a weird pattern. I’m not smart enough to know why, though I do believe the RPO and screen emphasis make any QB in this system susceptible to more tipped balls by DL and to LBs getting into lanes. 

[ChickenNuggets 1626]

The star of the offense is not anyone player... the star of our offense, what it's designed to be, is Steve Sarkisian with a gaming console. Quinn... Arch... whomever... They are his muse... It's just Sark back there punching buttons deciding where the ball goes and when. Once you accept that, you stop bitching and moaning about QB play and realize HE is the Wizard of Oz behind the curtain. It's not about any offensive player on the field. it's about his play calling and how HE reads the defense and where HE wants the ball to go.... The players are just mindless robots.

 

Having said that, last weekend QE had some awful passes... but he was there when it counted. IDC how it looks, i just want us to win out. It could be Ugly McFugly up there screwing up all the dance moves, but as long as we win, I'm fine.

[I Plead Da Fif 271]

1 hour ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Counterpoint: Arch Manning is really, really good. He learned from mistakes and improved significantly between his 1st and 2nd starts. Which means he's absorbing the instruction from his coaches, worked to get better, and showed it on the field.

Spoiler alert: Arch will be a better QB from Game 1 next year than Quinn has ever been at Texas. 

 

Game 1 next year is at Ohio State. I’d love to see it.

[Hank Kingsley 20923]

7 minutes ago, ChickenNuggets said:

The star of the offense is not anyone player... the star of our offense, what it's designed to be, is Steve Sarkisian with a gaming console. Quinn... Arch... whomever... They are his muse... It's just Sark back there punching buttons deciding where the ball goes and when. Once you accept that, you stop bitching and moaning about QB play and realize HE is the Wizard of Oz behind the curtain. It's not about any offensive player on the field. it's about his play calling and how HE reads the defense and where HE wants the ball to go.... The players are just mindless robots.

[I Plead Da Fif 271]

1 minute ago, Hank Kingsley said:

I mean is he really that far off? I get that it was somewhat of a satirical post, but we have one of the top few OCs in college football as our HC. Sark makes QE look amazing when when QE is on. Sark makes QE look great on some plays even on QE’s off days. Could not be happier with Sark as our HC with what he’s brought to our program and his redemption story is one of tremendous humility that shapes the way we approach culture within the team. I don’t think there is a single HC in college football I’d take over Sark right now.

[Had Enough 2081]

1 hour ago, Llewelyn Moss said:

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Also, Ark had at least one major coverage bust against Ole Miss but none against us (or none we made them pay for). 

What would you call the long TD pass?

[Llewelyn Moss 210]

2 minutes ago, Had Enough said:

What would you call the long TD pass?

Brain lock on my part. You are absolutely right. 

[Codaxx 5736]

36 minutes ago, Had Enough said:

What would you call the long TD pass?

Ark had multiple busts vs Texas. The 1st Golden TD is an obvious one. The swing to Wisner is another, which made me laugh. Sark been killing people with that concept since he came to Texas.. Ole Miss crushed Ark outside the numbers deep, that isn’t something Ewers has shown consistency doing 

[Fondren & Main 6714]

Ole Miss was losing to OU at half.  A team that Ewers smoked playing like ass.

[Thatguy 8689]

 

2 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

LOL. The game where he got backup reps all week and - in a total panic move by Sark -  was quickly thrown into the fire with a fucked offense after Quinn had to be pulled? Seriously, you're going with that angle?

 

 

Arch is going to be a monster my guy. I think we all know that. I just hope he hangs around until he is a senior. It's going to be a great 3 years if he does. He has a poise that you can tell has been coached into him by the three ho-hum quarterbacks in his family. Once he learns not to take the big shots all the time and speed up his progression reads, he is going to win a lot of games. We look to be set for a long time.

 

[Thatguy 8689]

4 hours ago, Llewelyn Moss said:

Same with Vandy. It’s def a weird pattern. I’m not smart enough to know why, though I do believe the RPO and screen emphasis make any QB in this system susceptible to more tipped balls by DL and to LBs getting into lanes. 

Probably because we run the same variation of plays in the opening script.

[sith_horn 2392]

5 hours ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Counterpoint: Arch Manning is really, really good. He learned from mistakes and improved significantly between his 1st and 2nd starts. Which means he's absorbing the instruction from his coaches, worked to get better, and showed it on the field.

Spoiler alert: Arch will be a better QB from Game 1 next year than Quinn has ever been at Texas. 

 

Quinn has had some games where he just absolutely killed it. He was nails in both games against Alabama. He was carving Bama up until he got taken out in his first contest with them. Likewise 49-0 against OU. When he's not playing timidly, he's very good.

[Zeus 6021]

6 hours ago, MrBig said:

 

It’s lame how Quinn can still be injured and score like he did against Florida but when he looks how he did against Arkansas it’s because of the injury. 

Sark just has to win and this all goes away. After we win a national championship we can argue in this thread whether Quinn is our version of Stetson Bennett or the second coming of VY.

He took a bad sack and almost threw a pick in the first quarter. Then he did get hot and light them up. Some of it was play design but also some of it was Quinn decision making and passing ability. 
 

It’s just crazy how the offense either completely can’t move or we blaze down the field with guys wide open the whole way. Some of that is definitely on Quinn, as he either needs to get out of the play or improvise to get some yards sometimes and he just hasn’t done that since Michigan. 

[Zeus 6021]

1 hour ago, Thatguy said:

Probably because we run the same variation of plays in the opening script.

Yeah they have studied the both way screen where we’ve got a screen going each side of the field that never works anymore. 
 

I’d like to see the roll out RPO inside pitch to the backside tight end that chiefs run. 
 

[runthebone 7981]

This is like the CR of the football board.

[Thatguy 8689]

3 hours ago, Zeus said:

Yeah they have studied the both way screen where we’ve got a screen going each side of the field that never works anymore. 
 

I’d like to see the roll out RPO inside pitch to the backside tight end that chiefs run. 
 

We need to run a fake block and wheel off of that double screen action since teams are so aggressive with it. I haven't watched enough Chiefs that I remember that play but it sounds good.

[scottsins 1966]

He took a bad sack and almost threw a pick in the first quarter. Then he did get hot and light them up. Some of it was play design but also some of it was Quinn decision making and passing ability. 
 
It’s just crazy how the offense either completely can’t move or we blaze down the field with guys wide open the whole way. Some of that is definitely on Quinn, as he either needs to get out of the play or improvise to get some yards sometimes and he just hasn’t done that since Michigan. 

He has gotten out of plays since Michigan. Maybe not enough, but the slot fade TD vs Vandy would be one example.

[Codaxx 5736]

14 hours ago, Thatguy said:

But then there is that pesky Georgia tape.

This is just being oblivious. Did you see Quinn's tape for most of the first half? There is a reason Quinn got benched. His 2 drives still outgained all of Quinn's 1st half drives. We have no idea if how he would have looked in the second half or if he prepped like Quinn did as the 1st QB. 

[Codaxx 5736]

2 hours ago, Thatguy said:

We need to run a fake block and wheel off of that double screen action since teams are so aggressive with it. I haven't watched enough Chiefs that I remember that play but it sounds good.

Texas runs a ton of that shit. You see the opening TD vs Ark or Florida? Stalk block and go is run almost every game. It would be harder to find a game where Stark does not run some form of fake screen and go. 

Edited 3 hours ago by Codaxx

[scottsins 1966]

Texas runs a ton of that shit. You see the opening TD vs Ark or Florida? Stalk block and go is run almost every game. It would be harder to find a game where Stark does not run some form of fake screen and go. 

Was that double screen action though? I haven’t rewatched highlights.

[Longhornlove 4814]

48 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

Texas runs a ton of that shit. You see the opening TD vs Ark or Florida? Stalk block and go is run almost every game. It would be harder to find a game where Stark does not run some form of fake screen and go. 

Really? I only recall seeing that the last few games. We certainly don't run " a ton of that shit"

[Codaxx 5736]

9 minutes ago, scottsins said:

Was that double screen action though? I haven’t rewatched highlights.

It wasnt double screen, but screen and go concepts have been huge for Texas this year. I would bet more than half of Ewer's TDs have been either a screen or screen and go. Sark does a great job scheming open 2-3 shot plays a game. That is not the offenses problem. It is executing on basic concepts that is hit or miss

[Codaxx 5736]

Just now, Longhornlove said:

Really? I only recall seeing that the last few games. We certainly don't run " a ton of that shit"

I believe JWhits last TD at Texas was stalk and go. That was from last year, so I think you are missing some things. 

[Longhornlove 4814]

1 minute ago, Codaxx said:

I believe JWhits last TD at Texas was stalk and go. That was from last year, so I think you are missing some things. 

That was last year dude. Until the last few games we haven't been running those this year. If they had against Georgia we might have had some big plays because they were crashing our screen game. You have to run them to keep people honest, we weren't running them. Georgia did beat us on one for sure though.

[Codaxx 5736]

2 minutes ago, Longhornlove said:

That was last year dude. Until the last few games we haven't been running those this year. If they had against Georgia we might have had some big plays because they were crashing our screen game. You have to run them to keep people honest, we weren't running them. Georgia did beat us on one for sure though.

yes, that was the point. Texas has been running these concepts for a while. 

[Longhornlove 4814]

3 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

yes, that was the point. Texas has been running these concepts for a while. 

They should run more. Didn't see any of it until after Georgia at least.

[LTtxfan 49181]

This week on OTF Coach Erwin said he thought Ewers velocity looked better in the Arky game...

 

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[Thatguy 8689]

2 hours ago, Codaxx said:

Texas runs a ton of that shit. You see the opening TD vs Ark or Florida? Stalk block and go is run almost every game. It would be harder to find a game where Stark does not run some form of fake screen and go. 

Not off the double screen action they don't which is why teams have been crashing it because they don't have to worry about a counter. Just put it on film once and it will slow teams down.

[Codaxx 5736]

36 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Not off the double screen action they don't which is why teams have been crashing it because they don't have to worry about a counter. Just put it on film once and it will slow teams down.

Dont follow. The stalk and go has been working BECAUSE TEAMS ARE CRASHING THE SCREEN. The whole point of the stalk and go is to take advantage of teams crashing on the screen. It obviously slows down defenses from over-playing the screen. Not sure why they would need to run double screens to do the same thing. 

Edited 19 minutes ago by Codaxx

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11 hours ago, sith_horn said:

Quinn has had some games where he just absolutely killed it. He was nails in both games against Alabama. He was carving Bama up until he got taken out in his first contest with them. Likewise 49-0 against OU. When he's not playing timidly, he's very good.

What if the issue was like that Simpsons Halloween special where the Krusty doll was accidentilly set to "Evil."  Has anyone checked the switch on Quinn's back?