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10 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

CJ Vogel was at Sark press conference today. First question was about Ewers' injury, and Sark responded with "II think he's doing ok", which Vogel found to be a not very confident answer at the moment.

I'd guess Arch will get good reps at practice today. 

 I watched the press conference.  It was the typical non-chalant non-answer Sark (or any other coach in America) would give to that question.  Especially considering they haven't practiced today.  There was absolutely nothing to take from it.   So of course some idiot $9.95er would try to read something into it.  

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2 minutes ago, Horn of Gabriel said:

Let's re-write this for your favorite coach Rick Barnes, could also do the same for Chris Beard:

And yes I keep coming back to this because you said upthread that you use hyperbole as a device.  Apparently you also use hypocrisy as a device as well because you are applying a standard to QE that you apparently don't apply to your favorite people.  Either the standard is the standard or it isn't.  And if you want to say "the standard is lower in mbb than football, football should compete for national championships every year and mbb the standard should be consistent F4 or E8," great - Barnes didn't hit that either.

So which is it:  Inconsistent standards based on your personal favorites?  Or hypocrisy?

rick barnes is a future hall of fame coach who is the best coach in the history of both UT’s and is likely to finish his career with more than 900, possibly even 1,000 wins. 

quinn ewers is a 1.000 rated QB surrounded by the best coaches and offensive players in america for two straight years and yet he keeps performing inconsistently at best, and flat out poorly at worst. 

what part of each guy’s resume makes you think this is somehow a proper analogy? 

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1 minute ago, Skipper said:

 I watched the press conference.  It was the typical non-chalant non-answer Sark (or any other coach in America) would give to that question.  Especially considering they haven't practiced today.  There was absolutely nothing to take from it.   So of course some idiot $9.95er would try to read something into it.  

Last thing Sark wants to say is Ewers is 100% healthy or Manning is starting, just dumb to try and read into it. 

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13 minutes ago, Levi said:

Yep and I bet the roll out on the first series was for Sark to see where his pain level was at. 

It seems more likely that the rollout was Sark seeing something he could attack and forgetting Quinn had a bum ankle. Sark tends to be stubborn with his approach until he realizes it's not working, at which point he changes direction. In 2022, he didn't seem to realize his approach wasn't working and kept going, but he's made progress since then. I just hope he figure out what is not working sooner, because if he does, he would be even more dangerous.

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1 minute ago, DanTheHorn said:

It seems more likely that the rollout was Sark seeing something he could attack and forgetting Quinn had a bum ankle. Sark tends to be stubborn with his approach until he realizes it's not working, at which point he changes direction. In 2022, he didn't seem to realize his approach wasn't working and kept going, but he's made progress since then. I just hope he figure what is not working sooner, because if he does, he would be even more dangerous.

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20 minutes ago, Levi said:

Yeah for some reason I thought the injury occurred later but it happened with 10ish min left in the second. The Helm throw over the middle and a couple other good throws came after the injury. It’s almost like he went into halftime, had time to think about his injury, and came back out in the 3rd and was overthinking/skittish. It was only a couple plays for him but boy they were ugly. 

It's possible his ankle stiffened up.  I'm no doctor, I'll defer to @Magus Ossis, but I don't think all injuries have immediate performance consequences.

And, he could have gotten in his own head, too.

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2 minutes ago, Derka said:

rick barnes is a future hall of fame coach who is the best coach in the history of both UT’s and is likely to finish his career with more than 900, possibly even 1,000 wins. 

quinn ewers is a 1.000 rated QB surrounded by the best coaches and offensive players in america for two straight years and yet he keeps performing inconsistently at best, and flat out poorly at worst. 

what part of each guy’s resume makes you think this is somehow a proper analogy? 

Barnes is not even top 5 in win % for Texas' MBB coaches.  He rode a wave of Texas high school basketball coming up in the 90's to 2000's, just like the accusation you make of QE's stats being inflated due to Texas apparently not discovering the forward pass until 2000.  But according to you one is HOF and the other is poorly even though QE will be a top 3 QB at Texas in most metrics when he's done.  Try again.

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7 minutes ago, DanTheHorn said:

It seems more likely that the rollout was Sark seeing something he could attack and forgetting Quinn had a bum ankle. Sark tends to be stubborn with his approach until he realizes it's not working, at which point he changes direction. In 2022, he didn't seem to realize his approach wasn't working and kept going, but he's made progress since then. I just hope he figure out what is not working sooner, because if he does, he would be even more dangerous.

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14 minutes ago, MotownHorn said:

The "great" thing about him is he's never wrong....(in his own mind).

the “great” thing about you (and rex, and others) is how you pop into these threads exclusively to post about me, just zero pretense that you’re at all here to discuss the thread topic, just obsessing over me as usual, only for you two to walk away going, “man that derka guy sure is a problem. he just can’t help himself!” it’d be kind of funny if it weren’t so sad and thread derailing.

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1 minute ago, Horn of Gabriel said:

Barnes is not even top 5 in win % for Texas' MBB coaches.  He rode a wave of Texas high school basketball coming up in the 90's to 2000's, just like the accusation you make of QE's stats being inflated due to Texas apparently not discovering the forward pass until 2000.  But according to you one is HOF and the other is poorly even though QE will be a top 3 QB at Texas in most metrics when he's done.  Try again.

rick barnes is greatest texas basketball coach by about a billion miles. your entire premise is flawed and dumb.

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the “great” thing about you (and rex, and others) is how you pop into these threads exclusively to post about me, just zero pretense that you’re at all here to discuss the thread topic, just obsessing over me as usual, only for you two to walk away going, “man that derka guy sure is a problem. he just can’t help himself!” it’d be kind of funny if it weren’t so sad and thread detailing.

Sorry to tell you this but nobody obsesses with you dude.  You just have frequently terrible yet extremely confident takes that people react to. Then you get incredibly defensive and verbose, and then it goes on and on.  For like a decade or more straight LOL.

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rick barnes is greatest texas basketball coach by about a billion miles. your entire premise is flawed and dumb.

Wow could you miss the point harder?  Barnes could be the greatest coach in our history, and still underperformed vs. the standard that Texas wants.  Both can be true.  Just like you can be a 1.000 recruit and underperform the Texas standard.

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Sorry to tell you this but nobody obsesses with you dude. 

first off, nobody who’s been here any amount of time believes this. second/for example, bob banned motown four times in two weeks earlier this year for his obsession with me. in fact a bunch of hoops regulars were calling out motown for his obsession no more than a week ago. oh and every post he’s made here today has been about me. but sure, you’re right, nobody here has any beef with me. for sho. 👌🏻 

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11 minutes ago, Horn of Gabriel said:

Barnes is not even top 5 in win % for Texas' MBB coaches.  He rode a wave of Texas high school basketball coming up in the 90's to 2000's, just like the accusation you make of QE's stats being inflated due to Texas apparently not discovering the forward pass until 2000.  But according to you one is HOF and the other is poorly even though QE will be a top 3 QB at Texas in most metrics when he's done.  Try again.

Please stop. Please ignore him. 

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59 minutes ago, Horn of Gabriel said:

"Not me, I'm 'fair-and-balanced,' it's everyone ELSE who is out of touch.  If they'd just listen to my imminently reasonable and balanced takes, the Internet would finally FINALLY be at peace!"

 

 

New Surly Motto: imminently reasonable and balanced takes 

Soon, our takes will be reasonable and balanced?

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53 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

It's possible his ankle stiffened up.  I'm no doctor, I'll defer to @Magus Ossis, but I don't think all injuries have immediate performance consequences.

And, he could have gotten in his own head, too.

Yes. Reading between the lines he has grade I (microscopic-level tears) sprain of his ankle. It does not make the ankle less stable. It hurts and can lead to enough swelling as a natural response (especially when he is actually playing on it) that it becomes stiffer and even more painful. Wrapping it well before the game and between series and popping a few Advil might be enough to let him function as well as he did before the most recent injury. 

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1 hour ago, Skipper said:

You are right.  A ton of posters quoted it because it was a fair, balanced nuanced take and not typical Derka Derkaing a topic.   We're all wrong and you are right.  Per usual.

It's always everyone else's fault. Poor Derka.

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1 hour ago, Derka said:

rick barnes is greatest texas basketball coach by about a billion miles. your entire premise is flawed and dumb.

in 17 years he won 3 conference championships, went to 1 final four, and never won a title. He had some of the best college basektball players you could ask for year in and year out, I'd actually say Texas probably won in spite of Barnes. He was the only consistent thing year in and year out. Rick Barnes is the quinn ewers of Texas mens basketball. 

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1 hour ago, HtownHorn said:

That's the problem, he can't replicate that performance with any consistency. This thread would be completely different if Ewers was routinely putting up 300+ with multiple deep shots a game for TDs. The fact that as a 3rd year starter, he's eclisped the 300 yard mark once this season shoul be unacceptable.

When you compare that to Arch stats in the 2-1/2 games he was the QB1 people can see the clear difference vs. the 8-1/2 games for Ewers.

  • 2.5 Games
  • 69.4%
  • 10 Total TDs/4 per game
  • 194.6 Passer rating
  • 322.4 YPG

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  • 68%
  • 24 Total TDs/2.8 per game
  • 154.1 passer rating
  • 245.8 YPG

I don't want to weigh into this argument, but I do want to point out that Arch posted those numbers against UTSA, ULM, and MSU. Call me crazy, but I think Ewers might have had pretty good games against those teams as well. 

31 minutes ago, Magus Ossis said:

Yes. Reading between the lines he has grade I (microscopic-level tears) sprain of his ankle. It does not make the ankle less stable. It hurts and can lead to enough swelling as a natural response (especially when he is actually playing on it) that it becomes stiffer and even more painful. Wrapping it well before the game and between series and popping a few Advil might be enough to let him function as well as he did before the most recent injury. 

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3 hours ago, Hank Kingsley said:

You're gaslighting. Arch has made some errant throws but not at a noticeably higher rate than Quinn. 

It's weird that you tend to talk shit about Arch. He's done well this year and and has created a lot of big plays in limited action. 

 

This post is the kind of post that irritates me. Before I do this let me say that Arch is going to be good eventually. He has made some big sexy throws and I think because of that, and our general love for the kid, we forget everything else we've seen him do when he has had his time under center. Arch has thrown 90 balls this season. He has a lot of overthrows, underthrows, throws into double coverage, throws behind, high throws, and even inappropriate throws for RBs and TEs.

Quinn is immobile and is lucky if ever he hits the deep ball. He has to be kept clean to be effective and isn't going to evade a couple rushers with regularity. However, when dude is healthy he is going to throw a solid ball from short to intermediate ranges. He is going to find the right guy. Ball location is going to be good. Ball will be a nice catchable ball. Screen balls will be on the money and leading upfield. Quinn is fine taking the easy throw and dinking and dunking the ball down the field. Because of this Sark trusts him and knows exactly what he is getting from him. Arch on the other hand is a gunslinger. He is going to go big game hunting frequently. He will take a lot of chances and that scares a coach.

 

 

 

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This post is the kind of post that irritates me. Before I do this let me say that Arch is going to be good eventually. He has made some big sexy throws and I think because of that, and our general love for the kid, we forget everything else we've seen him do when he has had his time under center. Arch has thrown 90 balls this season. He has a lot of overthrows, underthrows, throws into double coverage, throws behind, high throws, and even inappropriate throws for RBs and TEs.

Quinn is immobile and is lucky if ever he hits the deep ball. He has to be kept clean to be effective and isn't going to evade a couple rushers with regularity. However, when dude is healthy he is going to throw a solid ball from short to intermediate ranges. He is going to find the right guy. Ball location is going to be good. Ball will be a nice catchable ball. Screen balls will be on the money and leading upfield. Quinn is fine taking the easy throw and dinking and dunking the ball down the field. Because of this Sark trusts him and knows exactly what he is getting from him. Arch on the other hand is a gunslinger. He is going to go big game hunting frequently. He will take a lot of chances and that scares a coach.

 

 

 

Holy shit, you are a jackass. You edited a lowlight reel for Arch? Do you know how easy this would be to do for Quinn as well? 

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1 minute ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Holy shit, you are a jackass. You edited a lowlight reel for Arch? Do you know how easy this would be to do for Quinn as well? 

the first 2 minutes there's at least 4 interceptions that aren't caught or taken advantage of by that really bad defense. Point is arch can have a bad day, and there's a chance Sark sees that in practice and isn't comfortable handing him the reins when Quinn is still capable. No need to get fired up I think, just a different perspective. 

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2 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Holy shit, you are a jackass. You edited a lowlight reel for Arch? Do you know how easy this would be to do for Quinn as well? 

You call me out on something saying I am gaslighting. I put up around 30 of Arch's 90 throws as receipts and now I am the asshole.

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1 minute ago, WinningIsHard said:

the first 2 minutes there's at least 4 interceptions that aren't caught or taken advantage of by that really bad defense. Point is arch can have a bad day, and there's a chance Sark sees that in practice and isn't comfortable handing him the reins when Quinn is still capable. No need to get fired up I think, just a different perspective. 

There are at least double that in INT's that weren't caught or taken advantage of by Quinn.

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the first 2 minutes there's at least 4 interceptions that aren't caught or taken advantage of by that really bad defense. Point is arch can have a bad day, and there's a chance Sark sees that in practice and isn't comfortable handing him the reins when Quinn is still capable. No need to get fired up I think, just a different perspective. 

I'm not a fucking loser, so I won't edit a Quinn lowlight reel. The WTF plays/throws/decisions would probably last an hour. It was a stupid fucking post. 

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10 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Holy shit, you are a jackass. You edited a lowlight reel for Arch? Do you know how easy this would be to do for Quinn as well? 

Why is it cool to post video of Quinn's fuckups but not for Arch?

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You call me out on something saying I am gaslighting. I put up around 30 of Arch's 90 throws as receipts and now I am the asshole.

You have standard incompletions in there. Or even completions that were thrown a little off. The last 2 minutes are the UGA game. Just go re-watch all of Quinn before he got pulled in that game. 

 

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2 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

There are at least double that in INT's that weren't caught or taken advantage of by Quinn.

 

1 minute ago, Hank Kingsley said:

I'm not a fucking loser, so I won't edit a Quinn lowlight reel. The WTF plays/throws/decisions would probably last an hour. It was a stupid fucking post. 

You're missing the point, Sark has probably seen that behavior in practice and is thinking if people get enough film then it could get worse. At this point it's the only thing that makes sense. If arch had 290 passes maybe 90 of them are head scratchers that against an average defense turn into a bunch of interceptions. I believe a relative of Arch's who is a double hall of famer has a record for most interceptions in a season. One thing about quinn is he's careful with the ball, he doesn't take many chances over his career. I'm just guessing though because I figured arch would have trotted out once quinn's ankle was rolled up on. 

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You're missing the point, Sark has probably seen that behavior in practice and is thinking if people get enough film then it could get worse. At this point it's the only thing that makes sense. If arch had 290 passes maybe 90 of them are head scratchers that against an average defense turn into a bunch of interceptions. I believe a relative of Arch's who is a double hall of famer has a record for most interceptions in a season. One thing about quinn is he's careful with the ball, he doesn't take many chances over his career. I'm just guessing though because I figured arch would have trotted out once quinn's ankle was rolled up on. 

YOU ARE MAKING SHIT UP ABOUT PRACTICE. Stop. 

 

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8 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

You have standard incompletions in there. Or even completions that were thrown a little off. The last 2 minutes are the UGA game. Just go re-watch all of Quinn before he got pulled in that game. 

 

Sailing balls high are potential INTs. Again, these are roughly a 3rd of Arch's throws. You told me Arch is more errant with any noticeable regularity than Quinn. The only way I can prove that statement false is with video. Now I am the asshole for bringing actual proof. QE doesn't regularly throw into double coverage either.

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