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5 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Sailing balls high are potential INTs. Again, these are roughly a 3rd of Arch's throws. You told me Arch is more errant with any noticeable regularity than Quinn. The only way I can prove that statement false is with video. Now I am the asshole for bringing actual proof. QE doesn't regularly throw into double coverage either.

I'm not gonna do Quinn dirty like that, even though everyone knows his lowlight reel would be just as bad or worse, especially considering plenty of them would be in this 3rd year as a starter

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7 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

I'm not gonna do Quinn dirty like that, even though everyone knows his lowlight reel would be just as bad or worse, especially considering plenty of them would be in this 3rd year as a starter

when you watch football all weekend you’ll see 100 throws where, before the ball even leaves the qb’s hand, you’re like, “that’s a completion.” you can visibly see the QB recognize the open man, confidently step into the throw, and fire the ball. you don’t even need the camera to pan to know that it’s a completion. 

quinn ewers throws a lower percentage of these passes than any qb i’ve ever watched. it’s no coincidence that i’ve never seen a qb throw more deep balls where you don’t need the camera to pan to know that there’s no chance of it being caught. you absolutely could make an hour long lowlight reel of quinn ewers, and all you’d see is the likes of xavier worthy, ad mitchell, bijan robinson, jt sanders, gunnar helm, jonathan brooks, matt golden, etc on the wrong end of those poor throws.

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when you watch football all weekend you’ll see 100 throws where, before the ball even leaves the qb’s hand, you’re like, “that’s a completion.” you can visibly see the QB recognize the open man, confidently step into the throw, and fire the ball. you don’t even need the camera to pam to know that it was a completion. 

quinn ewers throws a lower percentage of these passes than any qb i’ve ever watched. not coincidentally i have never seen a qb throw more deep balls where you don’t need the camera to pan to know that there’s no chance of it being caught. you absolutely could make an hour long lowlight reel of quinn ewers, and al you’d see is the likes of xavier worthy, ad mitchell, bijan robinson, jt sanders, gunnar helm, jonathan brooks, matt golden, etc on the wrong end of those poor throws.

 

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8 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

I'm not gonna do Quinn dirty like that, even though everyone knows his lowlight reel would be just as bad or worse, especially considering plenty of them would be in this 3rd year as a starter

You're missing the point. He isn't trying to insult Arch or say he is bad. But Arch is inconsistent right now. And you're the one suggesting Arch is more consistent than Quinn. I don't know how anyone is supposed to refute that except with tape. Arch is going to be good. I don't think anyone here doubts that. 

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4 minutes ago, Derka said:

when you watch football all weekend you’ll see 100 throws where, before the ball even leaves the qb’s hand, you’re like, “that’s a completion.” you can visibly see the QB recognize the open man, confidently step into the throw, and fire the ball. you don’t even need the camera to pan to know that it’s a completion. 

quinn ewers throws a lower percentage of these passes than any qb i’ve ever watched. 

So you can predict a certain number of completions.  Cool.  Now as it turns out Quinn has completed 68% of his passes this season, good for #15 in the country.  Either you're not so good at predicting completions or you're lying (again).

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6 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

You're missing the point. He isn't trying to insult Arch or say he is bad. But Arch is inconsistent right now. And you're the one suggesting Arch is more consistent than Quinn. I don't know how anyone is supposed to refute that except with tape. Arch is going to be good. I don't think anyone here doubts that. 

Quinn is very inconsistent. In his 3rd year as a starter. He has regressed with the deep ball to the point it's become a joke. 

I'm also not saying Arch should be the starter. He needs to be ready if Quinn gets hurt or looks lost again like the UGA game. He also showed clear improvement between his first start (ULM) and his 2nd start (Miss State). It's a very good sign. I don't see why Texas fans shouldn't be incredibly excited about his potential and what he's shown us so far on the field. 

I hope we see the best Quinn on Saturday night. 

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12 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

I'm not gonna do Quinn dirty like that, even though everyone knows his lowlight reel would be just as bad or worse, especially considering plenty of them would be in this 3rd year as a starter

Dude. I love Arch Manning. Everyone does. And when Arch is our guy behind center you will likely not find a more staunch defender than me as I am a positive guy in general. I am only closing an argument that Arch is more consistent currently than Quinn. Arch has a higher ceiling. We all see that. But I am not about to compared to Derka when I say Quinn is ahead of Arch and sit here and take that.

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3 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Quinn is very inconsistent. In his 3rd year as a starter. He has regressed with the deep ball to the point it's become a joke. 

I'm also not saying Arch should be the starter. He needs to be ready if Quinn gets hurt or looks lost again like the UGA game. He also showed clear improvement between his first start (ULM) and his 2nd start (Miss State). It's a very good sign. I don't see why Texas fans shouldn't be incredibly excited about his potential and what he's shown us so far on the field. 

I hope we see the best Quinn on Saturday night. 

And this is a quality post that I think most people will agree with. However, you have to understand that OTHER people on this thread besides yourself really are calling for Arch to step in when we are 10-1 and locked in to a spot for the CFP. You may be level headed with things but others are wildly not. One person in particular that swears he was cheering QE on last yr.

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14 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Why is it cool to post video of Quinn's fuckups but not for Arch?

That was like every non-completion in Arch’s career.  Has that ever been done here in the aggregate on anyone?  Even the hated guys who never deserved the amount of scorn they received.

I will be waiting for those posts on that I’ll-advised throw in the UF game to discuss how that was PI and should be removed.  Or like those first two throws in which there was pretty much immediate pressure.  And for a little irony go watch Quinn’s first start.  ULM wasn’t it? A little shaky start against what turned out to be the 118th worst defense per DFEI. Oh, and I think everybody liked Ewers 2nd start.

This thread is annoying yet entertaining.

 

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1 minute ago, Had Enough said:

That was like every non-completion in Arch’s career.  Has that ever been done here in the aggregate on anyone?  Even the hated guys who never deserved the amount of scorn they received.

I will be waiting for those posts on that I’ll-advised throw in the UF game to discuss how that was PI and should be removed.  Or like those first two throws in which there was pretty much immediate pressure.  And for a little irony go watch Quinn’s first start.  ULM wasn’t it? A little shaky start against what turned out to be the 118th worst defense per DFEI. Oh, and I think everybody liked Ewers 2nd start.

This thread is annoying yet entertaining.

 

What I took from ThatGuy's reel was basically that Arch isn't as good at the short and intermediate stuff as Quinn.  We already know he's better at the deep ball.  We already know he's more athletic.  So, it's a tradeoff, and if my thick head ever learned anything about Sark it's from Saturday:  ideally, the offense runs the defense ragged with misdirection, screens, deep throws, all of it until said defense is gassed and then watch out, you will not stop us.  It doesn't always work, but it sure did against 'bama (23) and Kentucky (24), among others.

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2 hours ago, Skipper said:

Sorry to tell you this but nobody obsesses with you dude.  You just have frequently terrible yet extremely confident takes that people react to. Then you get incredibly defensive and verbose, and then it goes on and on.  For like a decade or more straight LOL.

This actually isn't true.

Derka is no victim--he refuses advice or responsibility--but he absolutely has several posters on this site who follow him around to antagonize him ... or wait until he's in a sparring match with someone else to dogpile. @MotownHorn is the worst of the lot.

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20 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Quinn is very inconsistent. In his 3rd year as a starter. He has regressed with the deep ball to the point it's become a joke. 

I'm also not saying Arch should be the starter. He needs to be ready if Quinn gets hurt or looks lost again like the UGA game. He also showed clear improvement between his first start (ULM) and his 2nd start (Miss State). It's a very good sign. I don't see why Texas fans shouldn't be incredibly excited about his potential and what he's shown us so far on the field. 

I hope we see the best Quinn on Saturday night. 

I don't think @Thatguy is saying anything different. He is just responding to folks calling Quinn the worst QB ever.

Actually, I will dispute that Quinn has regressed with his deep ball. The throws against Kentucky were a massive improvement. They were catchable. Go look at the 2022 tape. They weren't even close enough for the receiver to try and make a play. If we can catch some 50/50 balls or get a PI call, we are in much better shape on deep balls than previously. Combine that style deep ball, as imperfect as it may be, with Quinn's usually excellence on short and intermediate throws, and you have a tough offense to stop. 

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19 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Dude. I love Arch Manning. Everyone does. And when Arch is our guy behind center you will likely not find a more staunch defender than me as I am a positive guy in general. I am only closing an argument that Arch is more consistent currently than Quinn. Arch has a higher ceiling. We all see that. But I am not about to compared to Derka when I say Quinn is ahead of Arch and sit here and take that.

Quinn and Arch are almost polar opposite QBs. 

Arch instinctually looks downfield first, which I think is great. You'd rather try to tame the aggressiveness instead of having to encourage it.  I know Sark criticized that aggressiveness in the ULM game (and rightfully so) and he wanted Arch to play smarter. Then Arch did that in the Miss State game where he went 26/31 for 325 yds (and would have been closer to 400 if Johntay doesn't drop a breadbasket deep ball for a TD) and was able to make some safer throws while still going deep in the right spots. 

Quinn really tries to avoid any contested throws, therefore it's a different style of football. Way more passes within 5-10 yards of the LOS, that's where he's comfortable. But even with a "safer" passing attack, Quinn still makes a lot of WTF plays and is very inconsistent. It's just who he is. I think most fans believe this is how Sark wants to run his offense, but I don't think so. He's curated it to fit Quinn's strengths. Look at Mac Jones's Alabama highlights. Way more explosive offense. Next year with Arch will look a lot different. 

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3 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

What I took from ThatGuy's reel was basically that Arch isn't as good at the short and intermediate stuff as Quinn.  We already know he's better at the deep ball.  We already know he's more athletic.  So, it's a tradeoff, and if my thick head ever learned anything about Sark it's from Saturday:  ideally, the offense runs the defense ragged with misdirection, screens, deep throws, all of it until said defense is gassed and then watch out, you will not stop us.  It doesn't always work, but it sure did against 'bama (23) and Kentucky (24), among others.

I’m not sure on all those videos who’s running the routes but do not expect the same timing when a backup comes in.  It’s also expected that he’s not as calm.  This site shits on quite a few players over the years so it was pretty extreme showing all that.

Ewers is the guy for a number of reasons.  I don’t even think that necessarily means that Sark views him as giving us a better chance to win.  I’d expect him to think both could win.  I believe we can win with both.  But also that he’d think Arch might make, more bigger mistakes.

We’re the one of the 3 best, deepest teams.  It’s not about 1 player.  Ewers gets way too much credit most of the time.  He’s getting a little hell now but in the end, win or lose, it’ll only be a very small number that tag him if we lose.  Now, they may be loud and mouthy, but He will be viewed favorably over the longer term.

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2 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Quinn and Arch are almost polar opposite QBs. 

Arch instinctually looks downfield first, which I think is great. You'd rather try to tame the aggressiveness instead of having to encourage it.  I know Sark criticized that aggressiveness in the ULM game (and rightfully so) and he wanted Arch to play smarter. Then Arch did that in the Miss State game where he went 26/31 for 325 yds (and would have been closer to 400 if Johntay doesn't drop a breadbasket deep ball for a TD) and was able to make some safer throws while still going deep in the right spots. 

Quinn really tries to avoid any contested throws, therefore it's a different style of football. Way more passes within 5-10 yards of the LOS, that's where he's comfortable. But even with a "safer" passing attack, Quinn still makes a lot of WTF plays and is very inconsistent. It's just who he is. I think most fans believe this is how Sark wants to run his offense, but I don't think so. He's curated it to fit Quinn's strengths. Look at Mac Jones's Alabama highlights. Way more explosive offense. Next year with Arch will look a lot different. 

I think what you are seeing isn't Quinn being afraid to take shots its Quinn only taking shots when the numbers are right. Can you remember Quinn throwing deep into double coverage this year? I cannot. All those shitty deep ball misses appear to be when we get 1v1 matchups. Also, Sark was an OC in an aggressive defensive conference predicated on running the football. I don't think he ever saw a 3-3-5 flyover until he came to the Big12. I think once opponents saw how effective it was vs what he wanted to do it became the go to defensive scheme for one Steve Sarkisian.

The one thing that really makes me mad about this thread and people saying Quinn is holding us back and Yadayada is the fact that people are daring us to run on them and perfectly willing to take whatever rushing numbers we get if it means not letting us throw over the top on them. That is out of respect for what Sark is doing. We couldn't just line up and bully teams with numbers in the box. That is a result of effective passing. People here don't seem to understand that.

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2 minutes ago, Had Enough said:

 I don’t even think that necessarily means that Sark views him as giving us a better chance to win.

This isn't all that complicated. Why does Sark play so few receivers? Can we agree he trusts certain guys more than others? Has he proven to be good at that? I would say so and that has played out on the field. The QB position isn't any different. Everyone has seen that Arch doesn't have the full playbook. There are less motions and less plays. There is a reason for that.

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11 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

The one thing that really makes me mad about this thread and people saying Quinn is holding us back and Yadayada is the fact that people are daring us to run on them and perfectly willing to take whatever rushing numbers we get if it means not letting us throw over the top on them. That is out of respect for what Sark is doing. We couldn't just line up and bully teams with numbers in the box. That is a result of effective passing. People here don't seem to understand that.

Kentucky game says maybe we can?

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45 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

I don't think @Thatguy is saying anything different. He is just responding to folks calling Quinn the worst QB ever.

Ok, so actually no one is doing that. And you only have to go back 2-3 months to see talk of him being a top 5 pick and 1st QB taken in the NFL draft.  I think that sums up why this thread is a shit show and people are all over the place with their opinions on Quinn. It's an absolute roller coaster ride with him.  

But as an olive branch towards @Thatguy and you other clowns (/s), I will post the roller coaster scene from Parenthood and try to have Grandma's attitude about it. For now.  Hook'em. 

 

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2 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Ok, so actually no one is doing that. And you only have to go back 2-3 months to see talk of him being a top 5 pick and 1st QB taken in the NFL draft.  I think that sums up why this thread is a shit show and people are all over the place with their opinions on Quinn. It's an absolute roller coaster ride with him.  

But as an olive branch towards @Thatguy and you other clowns (/s), I will post the roller coaster scene from Parenthood and try to have Grandma's attitude about it. For now.  Hook'em. 

 

You must have Derka blocked. 

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1 hour ago, jimmyjazz said:

So you can predict a certain number of completions.  Cool.  Now as it turns out Quinn has completed 68% of his passes this season, good for #15 in the country.  Either you're not so good at predicting completions or you're lying (again).

I would expect him to have a high completion percentage with all the swing passes and other short throws with 3-5 yards of the LOS.

 

45 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Explosive plays win games 

We've had a real problem creating explosive scoring plays starting with Oklahoma. We've only had four TDs longer than 30 yards in the last six games -- all but one of them (Wisner's 43-yard TD run vs OU) came in the Florida blowout. Long drives are great but they're not as reliable because there's more plays that have to "work" to methodically move down the field. Hitting on just one deep ball per game makes the game much, much easier.

 

19 minutes ago, Your Mom said:

Rick Barnes is slow as shit and his deep ball worse than Marty Cherry’s. 

'Balls deep' was a play called many times by Marty Cherry during his time on the Forty Acres.

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29 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

I think what you are seeing isn't Quinn being afraid to take shots its Quinn only taking shots when the numbers are right. Can you remember Quinn throwing deep into double coverage this year? I cannot. All those shitty deep ball misses appear to be when we get 1v1 matchups. Also, Sark was an OC in an aggressive defensive conference predicated on running the football. I don't think he ever saw a 3-3-5 flyover until he came to the Big12. I think once opponents saw how effective it was vs what he wanted to do it became the go to defensive scheme for one Steve Sarkisian.

The one thing that really makes me mad about this thread and people saying Quinn is holding us back and Yadayada is the fact that people are daring us to run on them and perfectly willing to take whatever rushing numbers we get if it means not letting us throw over the top on them. That is out of respect for what Sark is doing. We couldn't just line up and bully teams with numbers in the box. That is a result of effective passing. People here don't seem to understand that.

I think one part glossed over from sark’s time at Alabama is the quality of receivers. Have we had a waddle or smith while Quinn has been qb? That team also had Najee Harris and Brian Robinson jr toting the rock to the tune of 2k yards. If we don’t lose Baxter I don’t think we are even having this type of discussion. 

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8 minutes ago, Longhornlove said:

This isn't all that complicated. Why does Sark play so few receivers? Can we agree he trusts certain guys more than others? Has he proven to be good at that? I would say so and that has played out on the field. The QB position isn't any different. Everyone has seen that Arch doesn't have the full playbook. There are less motions and less plays. There is a reason for that.

Yeah, not making it complicated. 
 

We are 10-1.  Sark played QB.  He’s got a 3 year starter.  I don’t think he sits on the shitter all day thinking about does Quinn or Arch give us the better chance to win.  It logically begins with Ewers is the guy in his mind.  In support of my thought that he likely believes both can win, he put in Arch in the biggest game of the year.  And let him throw.  It’s one thing to let Ewers reset.  It’s another to run the 2 minute offense rather than try to run clock with the 2nd guy.

He trusts Ewers so you don’t need to consider the trust in the 2nd option.  QB is nothing like any other position.  And it’s not like one hasn’t been the starter.

Im interested in this limited playbook/motions narrative.  Has Sark said this?  I don’t listen to press conferences/post games so have no clue.

 

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5 hours ago, Longhornlove said:

Understandable take if you believe the majority opinion in here. Yet we are 10-1 in the exact spot where everyone thought we might be pre-season. Go figure.

This is the site where everyone finds flaws in the most perfect women. 

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30 minutes ago, C-Man said:

We've had a real problem creating explosive scoring plays starting with Oklahoma. We've only had four TDs longer than 30 yards in the last six games -- all but one of them (Wisner's 43-yard TD run vs OU) came in the Florida blowout. Long drives are great but they're not as reliable because there's more plays that have to "work" to methodically move down the field. Hitting on just one deep ball per game makes the game much, much easier.

? If you're just talking just about touchdowns, maybe. But otherwise, no. The one thing we consistently do well is create explosives. Definitions vary, but I think pass plays 20+ yards and run plays 15+ yards are commonly considered explosives. 

OU -  8 explosives (including TDs of 36 and 43 yards) (61 plays)

Georgia - 3 explosives (yuck) (78 plays)

Vandy - 7 explosives (including TDs of 27 and 25 yards) (69 plays)

Florida - 12 explosives (including TDs of 29, 22, 50, 32, and 34 yards) (64 plays)

Arkansas - 4 explosives (including TD of 20) (73 plays)

Kentucky - 5 explosives (77 plays)

Also, I have us at 5 TDs over 30 yards over the last 6 games, not 4. 

 

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? If you're just talking just about touchdowns, maybe. But otherwise, no. The one thing we consistently do well is create explosives. Definitions vary, but I think pass plays 20+ yards and run plays 15+ yards are commonly considered explosives. 

OU -  8 explosives (including TDs of 36 and 43 yards) (61 plays)

Georgia - 3 explosives (yuck) (78 plays)

Vandy - 7 explosives (including TDs of 27 and 25 yards) (69 plays)

Florida - 12 explosives (including TDs of 29, 22, 50, 32, and 34 yards) (64 plays)

Arkansas - 4 explosives (including TD of 20) (73 plays)

Kentucky - 5 explosives (77 plays)

Also, I have us at 5 TDs over 30 yards over the last 6 games, not 4. 

 

“But Quinn overthrew a few deep balls.”

Surly dumbasses.

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? If you're just talking just about touchdowns, maybe. But otherwise, no. The one thing we consistently do well is create explosives. Definitions vary, but I think pass plays 20+ yards and run plays 15+ yards are commonly considered explosives. 

OU -  8 explosives (including TDs of 36 and 43 yards) (61 plays)

Georgia - 3 explosives (yuck) (78 plays)

Vandy - 7 explosives (including TDs of 27 and 25 yards) (69 plays)

Florida - 12 explosives (including TDs of 29, 22, 50, 32, and 34 yards) (64 plays)

Arkansas - 4 explosives (including TD of 20) (73 plays)

Kentucky - 5 explosives (77 plays)

Also, I have us at 5 TDs over 30 yards over the last 6 games, not 4. 

 

Yeah, I think I missed Bolden's 36-yard run from the OU game.

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