QB1 Quinn "La Joya" Ewers - The Man The Myth The Mullet

[kevwun 15938]

Probable or Questionable covers it.  If they list him as questionable, he's probably not playing so I doubt they will do that.

Edited Wednesday at 04:26 PM by kevwun

[MirrOlure 14915]

What I meant was…it would seem to be contrary to the disclosure rule to not list him at all. The way I see it is that players not listed are healthy and either starting or expected to play their normal load.

So if a starter, who is not listed on the injury report at all, doesn’t start due to injury, would that be an issue with rule compliance?

My thinking is if he’s not listed at all, he’s 100% starting

[kevwun 15938]

Elko already got in trouble for that earlier in the year.  For a high profile player, I don't think they will try to sneak him through.  They'll list him.

[HtownHorn 14801]

52 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

How is it not true? I'm saying the two deep at A&M this year is better than Michigans 2 deep.

I think Michigan's DL is deeper than you think, it's not just Grant/Graham. Stewart and Gay are quality DL and are better than aggy's starting Ends.

[jimmyjazz 46357]

2 minutes ago, kevwun said:

Elko already got in trouble for that earlier in the year.  For a high profile player, I don't think they will try to sneak him through.  They'll list him.

I'll admit to not having put much thought into it, but to me it seems it's totally a coach's perogative to choose his starters.  Maybe listing him as "probable" is enough cover for not starting him, but it's an odd presumption that NOT playing him is only due to (undisclosed) injury.

[Hank Kingsley 21062]

FWIW, CJ Vogel expects Quinn to listed as "questionable" on the next Availability Report. 

Which is the right move IMO whether he's ready to go or not. 

 

[Park Gothic 5088]

Maybe I'm stupid, but I'm just not that worried about this. If Ewers is at 90% and dealing, we win. If he's too hurt or off his game, Sark has a built-in excuse to switch to Arch that lets Quinn save face. And I think we can beat A&M with Arch, given how different the playbook and gameplan looks with him. He's like the polar opposite of Ewers. Either way, Elko is now stuck trying to prep for two completely different QBs. And he doesn't have the horses. Their DL is great, but their LB and DB groups have serious deficiencies. 

My only lingering concern is that Ewers will go out there, look bad, and Sark won't switch to Arch until we're deep in a hole. Then Arch is put in the position of trying to pull us out of it. Although I think there's a reasonable basis for that concern, I also think Sark has earned a little grace and a little confidence in how he manages the season and the QB room. I'm never going full on "trust the corches," but I'll trust Sark on this until he shows me otherwise. 

[Codaxx 5913]

2 hours ago, satyanash said:

The right side of the O-line (Campbell+Williams) was repeatedly beaten by stunts during the Georgia game. There is some persistent miscommunication happening there that opponents with good D-lines can and will exploit.

Talking more about A&M stunting like crazy vs Auburn. That was a dumb ass game plan. You start looping DL vs the run and it is basically Russian roulette. That isnt factoring in Auburn has 1 of the best RBs in the SEC. Kentucky got caught slanting towards the OZ, only to find out 5-12 yards later it was counter. In the pass pro I share your concern. Why I said winning 1st down will be huge in this game. The book is out on Quinn. Muddy his reads or pressure him. I expect A&M to try and pressure him and see if he can keep his cool.

[deech 2300]

Just now, Park Gothic said:

, I also think Sark has earned a little grace and a little confidence in how he manages the season and the QB room. I'm never going full on "trust the corches," but I'll trust Sark on this until he shows me otherwise. 

I would have absolutely said yes on this prior to the second half of the Kentucky game.  

[Texasborn91 974]

I don’t think Quinn is playing Saturday

[Jersey Man10 3562]

Can we roll out Case instead?

[Codaxx 5913]

4 minutes ago, Texasborn91 said:

I don’t think Quinn is playing Saturday

I would bet on Quinn playing. He already missed time this year. He already has an injury reputation.

[Tex Long 4493]

16 minutes ago, deech said:

I would have absolutely said yes [trust the corch] on this prior to the second half of the Kentucky game.  

+1

 

9 minutes ago, Texasborn91 said:

I don’t think Quinn is playing Saturday

+1

 

I'm leaning toward starts but gets pulled quickly if ineffective. 

Edited Wednesday at 05:32 PM by Tex Long

[Cairn Horn88 8290]

Hope the trainers take plenty of ankle tape.

[mwaadeeb 1258]

21 minutes ago, Texasborn91 said:

I don’t think Quinn is playing Saturday

He played a full half on the same ankle. Unless he got a shot to keep going, I don't see how it's bad enough to keep him out.

[po elvis 2083]

9 minutes ago, mwaadeeb said:

He played a full half on the same ankle.

I think you made his point. It was clear he should not have been in the game.

[Ricky Butler 2734]

Not giving oxygen to the Quinn rumors, but how much does Arch not Quinn move the line? Hypothetically.

[immamac 43405]

10 minutes ago, mwaadeeb said:

He played a full half on the same ankle. Unless he got a shot to keep going, I don't see how it's bad enough to keep him out.

3/5 for 14 yards and a fumble lost scoop and score. 

Pretty pretty bad lol

[Drew 2560]

29 minutes ago, Tex Long said:

+1

 

+1

 

I'm leaning toward starts but gets pulled quickly if ineffective. 

You've been watching right?  If Sark puts him out there he's not coming off unless he gets hurt more.

[mwaadeeb 1258]

4 minutes ago, po elvis said:

I think you made his point. It was clear he should not have been in the game.

Oh I don't think he should have been in the game. I'm saying if it didn't take him out then, it's not going to keep him out now

[Navin R. Johnson 739]

3 minutes ago, immamac said:

3/5 for 14 yards and a fumble lost scoop and score. 

Pretty pretty bad lol

Greg Davis thinks that’s decent 

[Hookem2147 21375]

2 hours ago, Darth Tron said:

This Quinn situation is so strange to me.  By all accounts and evidence, Sark runs a professional meritocracy with a focus on procedures and culture.  I'm trying to wrap my head around what this would look like for any other functional title contender.  If your starter is injured/hobbled, and you have a high profile backup with starter and game experience, this is a no-brainer.  You sit the injured guy and play the next man up.  No controversy, no rumors, just business as usual. 

 

I have to wonder what kind of crap is going on behind the scenes to where this isn't cut and dry.  When Quinn was clearly hobbled in the UK game, that was the time to sit him and play the backup.  To what degree is Sark so beholden to Quinn that he can't make the obvious move there?  Not even wading into the whole Quinn vs. Arch thing that has occupied so many pages on this thread, the guy was clearly injured.  That was the time to play the backup.  That's why you have one.  Because he didn't, though, now we have to wonder if Arch is airmailing the ball in practice so bad that Sark is afraid to play him.  It's either that or the Ewers family has compromising photo evidence of Sark. 

 

Make it make sense.

I mean, we are barely a month removed from Sark benching him in the second quarter of a game for performance so I have very little reason to believe he won’t do it again whether it be for injury or performance if he deems it necessary.

[Drew 2560]

5 minutes ago, Hookem2147 said:

I mean, we are barely a month removed from Sark benching him in the second quarter of a game for performance so I have very little reason to believe he won’t do it again whether it be for injury or performance if he deems it necessary.

he benched him for a series? maybe 2? Then trotted him right back out after Halftime when he should have stayed on the bench.

[Texasborn91 974]

52 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

I would bet on Quinn playing. He already missed time this year. He already has an injury reputation.

If he can’t walk it’s not up to him

[OU Sucks 8962]

7 minutes ago, Hookem2147 said:

I mean, we are barely a month removed from Sark benching him in the second quarter of a game for performance so I have very little reason to believe he won’t do it again whether it be for injury or performance if he deems it necessary.

That's what I thought too, until Sark left him out there with a 3 score lead against Kentucky, when most everyone could tell Quinn was in a lot of pain and unable to leave the pocket. Worst case scenario is if Quinn starts, the offense struggles between his injury and heavy pressure, but Sark leaves Quinn in because the defense is keeping the game close. Need to take advantage of every possession we have.

[Hookem2147 21375]

12 minutes ago, Drew said:

he benched him for a series? maybe 2? Then trotted him right back out after Halftime when he should have stayed on the bench.

Okay. Bottom line is Sark pulled him in the biggest home game of his life when that was probably the last thing he wanted to do, so those saying he won’t sit him or pull him this week if it comes to it doesn’t feel accurate.

Edited Wednesday at 06:30 PM by Hookem2147

[Drew 2560]

1 minute ago, Hookem2147 said:

Okay. Bottom line is Sark pulled him in the biggest home game of his life when that was probably the last thing he wanted to do, so those saying he won’t sit him or pull him this week if it comes to it doesn’t feel accurate.

I mean that's fair, you're right he DID pull him.

I just don't know that he will if he didn't pull him after how bad he looked in the 2nd half last week.  I hope you're right.

 

Either he's healthy enough to go out there and shave aggy's shit in...OR they keep him on the bench and/or pull him if he struggles.

[Codaxx 5913]

13 minutes ago, Texasborn91 said:

If he can’t walk it’s not up to him

It was most noticeable on the roll out, when he tried to slow himself down. He was still running out his fakes late in the 4Q vs Kentucky. Walked fine after the final kneel down. He was banged up, but it did not look like a major injury watching the game. The injury reports seem to validate that

Edited Wednesday at 06:33 PM by Codaxx

[Hookem2147 21375]

2 minutes ago, Drew said:

I mean that's fair, you're right he DID pull him.

I just don't know that he will if he didn't pull him after how bad he looked in the 2nd half last week.  I hope you're right.

 

Either he's healthy enough to go out there and shave aggy's shit in...OR they keep him on the bench and/or pull him if he struggles.

The only narrative I’ll agree with a little is since he has pulled him once for performance, if he does it again even if it is for injury and the backup comes in and plays very well, there may not be any going back. And that probably isn’t a bridge he wants to cross but it’s also his job to do what is right for Texas and I think he knows that.

[ITHorn 804]

1 hour ago, Tex Long said:

I'm leaning toward starts but gets pulled quickly if ineffective. 

Agreed. Sark is not dumb and the importance of this game is not lost on him. 

[Tex Long 4493]

15 minutes ago, ITHorn said:

Agreed. Sark is not dumb and the importance of this game is not lost on him. 

Damn, for whatever reason, my eyeballs read that as "Sark is not drunk..." and led to a spit take. Good thing I was sideways at the desk and spit on the dog and not the keyboard.

[jet black 240]

I tend to think he didn’t pull him in the Kentucky game because he did pull him in the Georgia game (and regretted it). Just can’t make sense of it otherwise after he missed that slip screen so badly (due to clearly being injured). 

[closetohumping 17505]

1 hour ago, immamac said:

3/5 for 14 yards and a fumble lost scoop and score. 

Pretty pretty bad lol

You’re not being very fair to Quinn!!!

[The Original Greaser Bob 2853]

I'm worried about some aggy fans trashing QE's car.

[The Ace of Aces 5205]

1 hour ago, Texasborn91 said:

I don’t think Quinn is playing Saturday

I think he starts but exits in the 1Q after a turnover. 

[Skipper 6250]

To the extent Quinn's ankle is TBD until kickoff (which I think is likely the case), I don't think Sark's approach this week is that complicated.  Quinn has played multiple OU games, @ Bama, Big 12 Championship, UW playoff game and @ Michigan.   He has the big game road experience any head coach would value whereas Arch has zero.  Of all games I have no doubt Sark really wants Quinn to play this game.  Now, if he's completely ineffective because he gets in and can't move/plant and we are struggling, I'll be shocked if he doesn't take him out.  

Kentucky was odd but we could run the ball at will as long as we weren't fumbling.  He didn't really need Quinn to do anything and I don't think he ever actually thought the game was in question.  This week is different.

In sum, I fully expect Quinn to start this game unless he flat out can't go but I also have zero doubt Arch is getting a ton of starter reps this week preparing to play (particularly considering Quinn is probably getting limited work to maximize healing before Saturday).

[Classic Rock 280]

Championship on the line? Quarterback with a bum ankle? Seen this before:

 

[Codaxx 5913]

4 minutes ago, Skipper said:

To the extent Quinn's ankle is TBD until kickoff (which I think is likely the case), I don't think Sark's approach this week is that complicated.  Quinn has played multiple OU games, @ Bama, Big 12 Championship, UW playoff game and @ Michigan.   He has the big game road experience any head coach would value whereas Arch has zero.  Of all games I have no doubt Sark really wants Quinn to play this game.  Now, if he's completely ineffective because he gets in and can't move/plant and we are struggling, I'll be shocked if he doesn't take him out.  

Kentucky was odd but we could run the ball at will as long as we weren't fumbling.  He didn't really need Quinn to do anything and I don't think he ever actually thought the game was in question.  This week is different.

In sum, I fully expect Quinn to start this game unless he flat out can't go but I also have zero doubt Arch is getting a ton of starter reps this week preparing to play (particularly considering Quinn is probably getting limited work to maximize healing before Saturday).

This is a legacy game for Quinn and one all the NFL scouts want to see him play. He has a minor ankle sprain. He knows how big this game is for him. I cant imagine he isnt going to play.

[AeroHorn 774]

The A&M game against USCr shows that a mobile Arch would be great to replicate it. My main worry with Arch over Ewers is whether Arch has command on "extended handoffs" (horizontal passing, screens), which is a big part of our offense. If not executed well, those are dangerous passes. Without this part of the offense, we'll be high variance, boom or bust type. Way too risky. I hope Sark has Arch ready.

[Wishbone 4801]

Quinn will play. They’ll put him in one of these on his weak ankle:

[Cairn Horn88 8290]

2 hours ago, immamac said:

3/5 for 14 yards and a fumble lost scoop and score. 

Pretty pretty bad lol

Yea….but he’s been practicing with a limp!

[The Original Greaser Bob 2853]

In all honesty, I think QE makes it the whole game, and gives out his calm vibe, and plays Quinn-like.

And the rest of our players on both offense and defense just beat the living shit out of the ags.

[Wishbone 4801]

15 minutes ago, Cairn Horn88 said:

Yea….but he’s been practicing with a limp!

Might straighten out that deep pass.

[UTEE97 3524]

1 hour ago, jet black said:

I tend to think he didn’t pull him in the Kentucky game because he did pull him in the Georgia game (and regretted it). Just can’t make sense of it otherwise after he missed that slip screen so badly (due to clearly being injured). 

This. Pulling Quinn for just 2 series came off as a desperate move without conviction. Then he leaves an injured Quinn in there for an entire half with a decent lead. It was a great opportunity to give Arch some good reps and get him ready for Aggy and the playoffs if we needed him, instead he went full Mack Brown. Something behind the scenes is causing this irrational behavior imo. 

[Slacks 6900]

On 11/25/2024 at 9:16 PM, Your Mom said:

Next man up.  It’ll be time to start shitting on Arch.  

I'm not waiting. 

Bell should starts.

[Slacks 6900]

On 11/25/2024 at 10:42 PM, Billy Pilgrim said:

Not if you actually watch the games.

Those things don't happen if you actually watch the games.... But if you play, they might.

[Texasborn91 974]

39 minutes ago, The Original Greaser Bob said:

In all honesty, I think QE makes it the whole game, and gives out his calm vibe, and plays Quinn-like.

And the rest of our players on both offense and defense just beat the living shit out of the ags.

If he plays like the first half of Kentucky we absolutely stroke Aggy 

[HtownHorn 14801]

3 hours ago, immamac said:

3/5 for 14 yards and a fumble lost scoop and score. 

Pretty pretty bad lol

Don't forget the other fumble where he panicked and threw a backwards pass, which lead to Auburn missing a long FG.

[MrBig 5477]

51 minutes ago, UTEE97 said:

This. Pulling Quinn for just 2 series came off as a desperate move without conviction. Then he leaves an injured Quinn in there for an entire half with a decent lead. It was a great opportunity to give Arch some good reps and get him ready for Aggy and the playoffs if we needed him, instead he went full Mack Brown. Something behind the scenes is causing this irrational behavior imo. 

We live in a clickbait era where people read headlines and watch highlights instead of watching full games. This was one headline after the game. If you didn’t watch then you would never know Quinn was injured had an awful 2nd half.

Sark is just trying to prevent the headline from becoming “Ewers suffers another injury” or “Ewers pulled for Arch” especially on Senior Night. I think it’s dumb risking further injury but I understand why Sark kept him in the game especially since the running game was finally working. 

[Cairn Horn88 8290]

What would DKR do?