QB1 Quinn "La Joya" Ewers - The Man The Myth The Mullet

[gurt 764]

Pretty certain it was split zone rpo on the fumble. Inside zone run blocking with the tight end coming across the line from the other side. Most of the time the TE kicks out the DE but on this play Quinn is reading him to determine whether to hand off or do the pass to the TE in the flat. It was the right read since the DE squeezed but the aggy LB diagnoses well and covers Davis quickly. At that point the call is probably to just run it like he did since there isn’t really another route on the play.

[6th Street 6609]

[Born to Run 6591]

6 hours ago, Horn Dogg said:

I see like 3 hard games on there max.  @Texas is a guaranteed ass whipping.

I see 7-5 maybe the ball out for 8-4 again and hit thier ceiling.

[Thatguy 9075]

4 hours ago, gurt said:

Pretty certain it was split zone rpo on the fumble. Inside zone run blocking with the tight end coming across the line from the other side. Most of the time the TE kicks out the DE but on this play Quinn is reading him to determine whether to hand off or do the pass to the TE in the flat. It was the right read since the DE squeezed but the aggy LB diagnoses well and covers Davis quickly. At that point the call is probably to just run it like he did since there isn’t really another route on the play.

Looks correct. 

[gsoda3 3315]

6 hours ago, HtownHorn said:

I have been proven wrong in this thread before, so I went at looked at it again before I posted. He does the whole knee bend fake hand off look and immediately looks at Davis in the flat. Golden is run blocking, so the only real option is Davis, but York doesn't bite on the run look and stays outside. Quinn pumps to Davis instead of throwing the ball, the window was there, but Davis likely gets blown up. Quinn thinks he has the angle but their edge comes free and chases him down from behind. Quinn doesn't secure the ball until after their edge already is in the process of punching at the ball.

Thanks for the breakdown. I haven't looked at a replay yet but yeah if the WR and OL are run blocking that's either an RPO or a broken play.  

[orthohorn 6]

Quinn not a pussy but just isn't that good and he is just realizing it. The world is willing him to be a superstar but just doesn't that high of a ceiling.

The big problem IMO is his draft stock obviously plummeted during the season and is in his head about keeping up the 1st rounder facade and getting the rookie contract.

I love Quinn for the things he's done for the University, but he's gotta hope that some NFL takes a chance on a QB that is not that big or mobile, can't hit the deep ball, has the worst kind of consistent injury history, makes bad decisions under pressure, and has flatlined or regressed with every conceivable advantage that a QB can have under Sark.

At some point in the playoffs, Sark is going to have to decide if he is going to squander an iconic year in a "down" SEC where you have an elite defense, elite OL, effective supporting running game for the sake of saving QE

[WinningIsHard 4163]

2 hours ago, orthohorn said:

Quinn not a pussy but just isn't that good and he is just realizing it. The world is willing him to be a superstar but just doesn't that high of a ceiling.

The big problem IMO is his draft stock obviously plummeted during the season and is in his head about keeping up the 1st rounder facade and getting the rookie contract.

I love Quinn for the things he's done for the University, but he's gotta hope that some NFL takes a chance on a QB that is not that big or mobile, can't hit the deep ball, has the worst kind of consistent injury history, makes bad decisions under pressure, and has flatlined or regressed with every conceivable advantage that a QB can have under Sark.

At some point in the playoffs, Sark is going to have to decide if he is going to squander an iconic year in a "down" SEC where you have an elite defense, elite OL, effective supporting running game for the sake of saving QE

A do fuckin what? This is a highly regarded 5th post. Well done sir. 

[Codaxx 5991]

2 hours ago, orthohorn said:

Quinn not a pussy but just isn't that good and he is just realizing it. The world is willing him to be a superstar but just doesn't that high of a ceiling.

The big problem IMO is his draft stock obviously plummeted during the season and is in his head about keeping up the 1st rounder facade and getting the rookie contract.

I love Quinn for the things he's done for the University, but he's gotta hope that some NFL takes a chance on a QB that is not that big or mobile, can't hit the deep ball, has the worst kind of consistent injury history, makes bad decisions under pressure, and has flatlined or regressed with every conceivable advantage that a QB can have under Sark.

At some point in the playoffs, Sark is going to have to decide if he is going to squander an iconic year in a "down" SEC where you have an elite defense, elite OL, effective supporting running game for the sake of saving QE

This is brave. A lot more truth in this post, than people want to admit. I disagree on the ceiling. His arm talent is legit. He is not playing anywhere near his talent level. His 68.1 grade by PFF is evidence of that. 71.4 QBR is another legitimate indicator of mediocre overall performance. He is wildly inconsistent. Struggles with pressure and deep balls. Fact that people get excited when he hits one every couple games attests to that. This is a defensive team and an OL team. Texas just needs him to make veteran decisions and not be a liability from here out. Hopefully, he finds his groove for the playoffs.

[Red Five 41149]

3 hours ago, orthohorn said:

At some point in the playoffs, Sark is going to have to decide if he is going to squander an iconic year in a "down" SEC where you have an elite defense, elite OL, effective supporting running game for the sake of saving QE

I think we would have to see a historic meltdown from Quinn in order for that to happen. 

So basically the first half of the Georgia game. 

[Your Mom 4884]

Armchair psychologists that “know” what’s in Quinn’s head based on his play are my favorite.  

[89Horn 1630]

1 minute ago, Your Mom said:

Armchair psychologists that “know” what’s in Quinn’s head based on his play are my favorite.  

You’re touchy about that.  What’s your relationship with your mom like?

[jimmyjazz 46526]

22 hours ago, Hook1997 said:

This team will be noticeably better next year on offense I’d bet with Baxter coming back and Arch.  

That's wishful thinking.  I imagine Arch will play his way into an upgrade, maybe from the jump, but losing that offensive line is a problem.  Goosby showed out well, so losing Banks may not be as bad as some might have thought, but there are a lot of starts leaving the 40 Acres.

And honestly, if CJ ends up being an upgrade over current Wisner, then he'll probably be a Heisman candidate.  Regardless, our RB corps should be insane.

[jimmyjazz 46526]

22 hours ago, Thatguy said:

Man most of you guys are cunts that don't understand the game of football one bit. You can't have the number one defense without a solid offense. If the offense can't move the ball the defense will get a lot of plays run against it and eventually fold. It is also extremely difficult to run the ball without the defense respecting the pass. All night our offense moved the ball and played keep away from the Aggy O so our defense didn't have to defend for too many plays and stayed fresh. ng to make a play at some point. 

To your point, our time of possession advantage was nearly 10 minutes.

[mwaadeeb 1289]

5 hours ago, orthohorn said:

At some point in the playoffs, Sark is going to have to decide if he is going to squander an iconic year in a "down" SEC where you have an elite defense, elite OL, effective supporting running game for the sake of saving QE

Squander an iconic year? What? 

Edited Monday at 05:44 PM by mwaadeeb

[Codaxx 5991]

23 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

That's wishful thinking.  I imagine Arch will play his way into an upgrade, maybe from the jump, but losing that offensive line is a problem.  Goosby showed out well, so losing Banks may not be as bad as some might have thought, but there are a lot of starts leaving the 40 Acres.

And honestly, if CJ ends up being an upgrade over current Wisner, then he'll probably be a Heisman candidate.  Regardless, our RB corps should be insane.

Yes.. Goosby looked great in his first start and that is encouraging, but he is not the only one. Seems likely to lose 4 (Banks, Cam, Majors, and Conner). Could lose the top 3 in receptions and rec yards (Helm, Golden, and Bond). This is going to be a completely different team next year. That is not factoring in the defensive losses. QB is likely to have a much bigger load next year.

Edited Monday at 04:09 PM by Codaxx

[jimmyjazz 46526]

I don't know how anyone might know this without asking Sark or the players involved, but there were at least 3 pass attempts on Saturday where Quinn and his receiver were not even close to being on the same page (2X Bond, 1X Helm).  Do any of you football theorists have any insight as to where the blame lies?  I tend to default to blaming the receiver for running the wrong route, but I don't really have any solid evidence there.  Sometimes the QB or receiver will do the "my bad" gesture but I didn't see that on Saturday.

[Codaxx 5991]

Just now, jimmyjazz said:

I don't know how anyone might know this without asking Sark or the players involved, but there were at least 3 pass attempts on Saturday where Quinn and his receiver were not even close to being on the same page (2X Bond, 1X Helm).  Do any of you football theorists have any insight as to where the blame lies?  I tend to default to blaming the receiver for running the wrong route, but I don't really have any solid evidence there.  Sometimes the QB or receiver will do the "my bad" gesture but I didn't see that on Saturday.

3rd down was definitely on Bond. I dont remember the other 2.

[jimmyjazz 46526]

2 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

Yes.. Goosby looked great in his first start

He didn't start

[MirrOlure 14980]

I think the one to Helm was just that Helm didn’t recognize or notice the blitz so hadn’t turned his head when Quinn threw the ball early out of necessity

[FORTY NINE TO ZERO 2645]

23 hours ago, Dbeasy said:

Quinn threw a great deep ball. Wife claims it’s because the ankle boot cemented his feet into the turf to get proper leverage on the pass. #quinnshouldplayinabootforever. 

i choose to believe this as truth and ewers will now be a deep ball machine 

[Hank Kingsley 21167]

29 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

To your point, our time of possession advantage was nearly 10 minutes.

That's because Quinn threw a pick 6. We basically had the ball on offense for 10 straight game minutes, both drives ending with a turnover. 

 

[Jkwellborn 6897]

I think the one to Helm was just that Helm didn’t recognize or notice the blitz so hadn’t turned his head when Quinn threw the ball early out of necessity

Yeah, I think Quinn let that one go a little early and Helm wasn’t expecting it.

[HtownHorn 14980]

17 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

3rd down was definitely on Bond. I dont remember the other 2.

First pass to Bond of the game, Quinn went long and Bond didn't. Bond was off all night, and the was wearing a knee sleeve on that 3rd down pass in the 4Q. I think he's playing through some stuff right now and it was affecting him mentally against aggy.

[Codaxx 5991]

12 minutes ago, MirrOlure said:

I think the one to Helm was just that Helm didn’t recognize or notice the blitz so hadn’t turned his head when Quinn threw the ball early out of necessity

No pressure on that play. Just threw it a bit early and behind.

 

[Codaxx 5991]

8 minutes ago, HtownHorn said:

First pass to Bond of the game, Quinn went long and Bond didn't. Bond was off all night, and the was wearing a knee sleeve on that 3rd down pass in the 4Q. I think he's playing through some stuff right now and it was affecting him mentally against aggy.

Couldnt tell on that one. TV never showed a view of the secondary.

[Skipper 6340]

27 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

3rd down was definitely on Bond. I dont remember the other 2.

Bond just doesn't look right.  Not sure what they showed on tv but from the stands I noticed him kind of limping off the field after running a route numerous times.  Biggest benefit to the bye week would be to hopefully get him and Moore back to 100%.  

[BurntOrange&White 40739]

1 hour ago, jimmyjazz said:

That's wishful thinking.  I imagine Arch will play his way into an upgrade, maybe from the jump, but losing that offensive line is a problem.  Goosby showed out well, so losing Banks may not be as bad as some might have thought, but there are a lot of starts leaving the 40 Acres.

And honestly, if CJ ends up being an upgrade over current Wisner, then he'll probably be a Heisman candidate.  Regardless, our RB corps should be insane.

The team IMO will be a better overall run blocking team and with a healthy baxter/wisner we will be more like a playaction big shot team....

 

Even if pass blocking is a bit rough Arch has pretty good feel for pocket and working pocket plus he's strong, fast, and athletic. 

 

The OL being lost is only a problem if you're replacing with freshmen. You'll have 2 guys with multiple starts on the line, all players on said line except maybe Baker will be 3rd year players or later. 

 

I be the offensive is a lot more explosive next year than this year.

Edited Monday at 04:53 PM by BurntOrange&White

[Hank Kingsley 21167]

17 minutes ago, Skipper said:

Bond just doesn't look right.  Not sure what they showed on tv but from the stands I noticed him kind of limping off the field after running a route numerous times.  Biggest benefit to the bye week would be to hopefully get him and Moore back to 100%.  

Agreed. That was a concerning effort. Hopefully just a bad day and he bounces back vs. UGA. 

 

[Codaxx 5991]

6 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

The team IMO will be a better overall run blocking team and with a healthy baxter/wisner we will be more like a playaction big shot team....

 

The OL being lost is only a problem if you're replacing with freshmen. You'll have 2 guys with multiple starts on the line, all players on said line except maybe Baker will be 3rd year players or later. 

Texas is coming off 2 straight games with 240 or more yards rushing. They also have the #1 defense in the country, that loses a lot of quality players. There is going to be a lot more pressure on the offense to put up pts. Though we all assumed that last year and this team looks more like an Akers team than a Sark team.

Edited Monday at 04:57 PM by Codaxx

[BurntOrange&White 40739]

1 minute ago, Codaxx said:

Texas is coming off 2 straight games with 240 or more yards rushing. They also have the #1 defense in the country, that loses a lot of quality players. There is going to be a lot more pressure on the offense to put up pts. Though we all assumed that last year and this team looks more like an Akers team than a Sark team.

Can't help it QB can't throw deep....I just see what I see when our second teamers are in and they're mauling people in run blocking. I'm glad we have shown what we have in the 4th quarters vs Arkansas/Kentucky plus the A&M game but we haven't done that consistently all season. 

[Skipper 6340]

7 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Agreed. That was a concerning effort. Hopefully just a bad day and he bounces back vs. UGA. 

 

I think it's clear he's hobbled.  Similar to Worthy end of the year last year (and we all know he never got right).  Best case scenario is we get the bye.  I wonder if Sark considers sitting him this week because it's all over the All 22 film.   I don't think Georgia is going to respect him as a deep threat.

[6th Street 6609]

Easy solution. Let Ewers play in the 1H, then bring in Arch for the 2H.

[touchthemonolith 654]

Damn, imagine Texas going 11-1, with Wisner rushing for damn near 200 yards, and yet still being salty that we aren't winning with the type of QB play that you'd prefer.

[Codaxx 5991]

6 minutes ago, touchthemonolith said:

Damn, imagine Texas going 11-1, with Wisner rushing for damn near 200 yards, and yet still being salty that we aren't winning with the type of QB play that you'd prefer.

and back to the strawman arguments.

[BurntOrange&White 40739]

8 minutes ago, 6th Street said:

Easy solution. Let Ewers play in the 1H, then bring in Arch for the 2H.

[Pato del Muerto 52974]

1 hour ago, Codaxx said:

No pressure on that play. Just threw it a bit early and behind.

 

He saw it and wanted to throw it before helm got to the first defender. Looks like helm thought he’d cross that defender and then look for it- like the play where he basically took the ball from Bryce Anderson later in the game. 

Edited Monday at 05:38 PM by Pato del Muerto

[Pancho 45572]

2 hours ago, Your Mom said:

Armchair psychologists that “know” what’s in Quinn’s head based on his play are my favorite.  

 

Have you met this board?

[GTX Horn 1725]

Quinn’s obviously still not 100%. If we can grind out a win on Saturday and get him 3 weeks to recover, I think we’ll see a much improved Quinn in the playoffs.

[orthohorn 6]

3 hours ago, WinningIsHard said:

A do fuckin what? This is a highly regarded 5th post. Well done sir. 

 

2 hours ago, Codaxx said:

This is brave. A lot more truth in this post, than people want to admit. I disagree on the ceiling. His arm talent is legit. He is not playing anywhere near his talent level. His 68.1 grade by PFF is evidence of that. 71.4 QBR is another legitimate indicator of mediocre overall performance. He is wildly inconsistent. Struggles with pressure and deep balls. Fact that people get excited when he hits one every couple games attests to that. This is a defensive team and an OL team. Texas just needs him to make veteran decisions and not be a liability from here out. Hopefully, he finds his groove for the playoffs.

 

2 hours ago, Red Five said:

I think we would have to see a historic meltdown from Quinn in order for that to happen. 

So basically the first half of the Georgia game. 

I guess the point I was trying to make is that, while Quinn has been nowhere near a bust, he hasn't quite lived to up to the expectations everyone had of him. I don't know how anyone could look at the way he moves in the pocket and not think he's just a little head fucked right now. He's clearly been good enough to win us (almost) every game the last 2 seasons which I'm not ignoring and has looked unquestionably elite at times ie Bama and OkSt last year. 

I just don't think the QE in the current moment gives us the best chance to win the next 4-5 games with the limitations he has. Most things he does well (RPO, single read, short passing game) are things that most D1 QBs do well and things that Arch is absolutely capable of doing and Arch gives you so much more in the run game and hopefully down the field. You know Sark is asking him to do more when he's forcing a shit-ton of balls that he wasn't forcing earlier in the season. There's a huge amount of pressure on him, they made a fucking Dr Pepper commercial about his backup breathing down his neck, and Sark already started working Arch in arguably the most important game of the season which is honestly surprising. Best case scenario IMO, Quinn and Arch split time getting limited roles doing what they do best which limits the QE gaffes, gives opponents more to prep for, Sark gets to keep his QB track record and give Arch dev time and hype going into next season 

ESPN has us #1 in FPI with 23% chance to win the whole thing in the first year in the SEC with a good schedule and stacked roster. It's a MASSIVE opportunity for the optics of the program and the stars don't align like this every year. I just hope we do play the best QB and aren't married to the idea of this being "Quinn's team"

 

[Irish Wrist Watch 1413]

1 hour ago, Hank Kingsley said:

That's because Quinn threw a pick 6. We basically had the ball on offense for 10 straight game minutes, both drives ending with a turnover. 

 

Great point. Ten minutes, two long drives, ZERO pts due to Quinn turnovers. Wait, add the 7 the Ags scored.

Let's say for argument's sake that that pass that Quinn threw right before Arch's TD run had been intercepted... that one of those three idiot Aggies battling for a ball that should never have been thrown actually manages to hold onto it... Take 7 Texas points off the board. Let's say that on Blue's amazing catch at the back pylon the ball had been thrown four inches to the right and hit the defender in the back... or that Blue had stepped one inch further and the catch was denied... Take another 7 off the board, maybe add 3 for a FG. If everything else stayed the same, we lose that game 7-6. 

Against a team that was pretty fucking mediocre. I know, "game of inches" blah blah blah. When you're constantly flirting with disaster, it doesn't take much to turn a win into a loss - a giant loss. We shoulda beat those motherfuckers 35-7, or even 45-0. This team is hitting on 5 cylinders with Quinn in the game. Sark's play calling, for whatever reason, is "Some gas, tap the brakes." Sark needs a healthy dose of killer instinct. No more Mr. Nice Guy. Give Quinn one more big mental/physical mistake then pull the plug.

Sark, find a formula where our offense moves up and down the field at will, and this D comes in for three to six plays every eight minutes or so, and we will be unstoppable.

[52-80 19287]

19 hours ago, 6th Street said:

[Irish Wrist Watch 1413]

1 hour ago, 6th Street said:

Easy solution. Let Ewers play in the 1H, then bring in Arch for the 2H.

When Arch came in for his first run, nobody on their D was expecting it, and the outcome couldn't have been any better. After that, however, it seems the only time they put Arch in was to run the ball, and it didn't go well at all. If you're gonna do that, you might as well put a running back in there to replace Quinn.

The last thing I'm worried about is a QB Controversy. It's do or die time. Hell, alternate them from possession to possession. That gives each some quality time on the sideline to process the drive he just led.

Edited Monday at 06:31 PM by Irish Wrist Watch

[Codaxx 5991]

10 minutes ago, Irish Wrist Watch said:

When Arch came in for his first run, nobody on their D was expecting it, and the outcome couldn't have been any better. After that, however, it seems the only time they put Arch in was to run the ball, and it didn't go well at all. If you're gonna do that, you might as well put a running back in there to replace Quinn.

The last thing I'm worried about is a QB Controversy. It's do or die time. Hell, alternate them from possession to possession. That gives each some quality time on the sideline to process the drive he just led.

I would bet Arch throws it very soon.

[CoTex 1174]

4 minutes ago, Irish Wrist Watch said:

When Arch came in for his first run, nobody on their D was expecting it, and the outcome couldn't have been any better. After that, however, it seems the only time they put Arch in was to run the ball, and it didn't go well at all. If you're gonna do that, you might as well put a running back in there to replace Quinn.

The last thing I'm worried about is a QB Controversy. It's do or die time. Hell, alternate them from possession to possession. That gives each some quality time on the sideline to process the drive he just led.

Is your point that we should leave QE in for these situations, or use an RB.  I can't tell.

Arch plays special teams too.  Ya know what that means?

 

[chainsaw 10045]

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Yeah, I don't understand how it works or why it works, but I was impressed with Quinn's mobility and the confidence he had. Given the 9.95 rumblings about how his sprain hadn't been healing as quickly as we had hoped, we probably should give a healthy serving of credit to the equipment team and the people who helped him regain a significant amount his athleticism compared to how he looked in that second half vs. Kentucky.

Edited Monday at 06:54 PM by chainsaw

[dcar00 14631]

2 hours ago, Codaxx said:

No pressure on that play. Just threw it a bit early and behind.

 

where is the safety on that play?

[CurlyDumps 4570]

New aggy coping mechanism: investigation into this suspiciously effective, fancy lookin' tu ankle brace. Was it against the rules???

[chainsaw 10045]

1 minute ago, CurlyDumps said:

New aggy coping mechanism: investigation into this suspiciously effective, fancy lookin' tu ankle brace. Was it against the rules???

We don't take kindly to technology 'round these parts.

[hook me 2126]

2 hours ago, Codaxx said:

No pressure on that play. Just threw it a bit early and behind.

 

 

13 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

where is the safety on that play?

Ready to blow Helm up if QE waits another second to throw that. QE read that perfectly, the LB covering Helm was covering for the LB that blitzed on Helms side. He's having to come across the entire formation and there's no way for him to get there in time. If Helm would have read his guy blitzing and realized he was the hot read that's a first down and a big play if he can make Anderson miss.

[Irish Wrist Watch 1413]

30 minutes ago, CoTex said:

Is your point that we should leave QE in for these situations, or use an RB.  I can't tell.

Arch plays special teams too.  Ya know what that means?

 

What I'm really suggesting is that if Sark wants to put Arch in only in critical or special? situations - which is kind of weird if you think about it - then he needs to let Manning throw the ball, probably half the time.

re STeams, I'd give any fake FG that Manning is a part of about an 80% chance of working. The guy makes things happen.