QB1 Quinn "La Joya" Ewers - The Man The Myth The Mullet

[Dennis Taylor 19224]

I'd like to interrupt this pissing contest to bring you this humorous fact 

 

[Thatguy 9152]

18 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Multiple people critical of Quinn have admitted they were wrong on some occasions with analysis of him.....yet when they put forth criticisms with correct analysis you or ThatGuy can never do the same. You move goal post, provide strawmen, and shift blame every time. 

We will see what Quinn we get vs Georgia and I hope it's not what we had last time we played Georgia. 

And one day you will learn that if you protect the dude he will be fine. You can't allow 7 sacks and a million pressures and expect the QB to play well. You and the others asking for miracles is what we have a problem with. Holding Quinn to a standard you don't have for others. Btw, we looked exactly the same from a pocket presence/sack/pressure standpoint when Arch came in the game too. And I was told he was far superior at moving in the pocket and pocket presence in general. 

[Irish Wrist Watch 1463]

If Arch begins seeing more playing time this Saturday... and it turns out he's a quick study and we've only just begun to tap his potential... and over the next two games, he shines, then we'll be there. We'll be as far as we can go this year with a QB tandem ready to take down the Ducks. At the end of that game, the shell-shocked Ducks will be yelling.... DUCK!

[mwaadeeb 1351]

1 hour ago, Ghost of Shag said:

Perfectly stated. 

Very few are arguing Arch should start. Mostly we’re despondent at how inconsistent Quinn has turned out to be and recognize that he’s the weak link in a championship caliber team, at the one spot where you simply can’t be weak.

It's "very few" now that he's won five straight. 

The problem with constantly clamoring for the backup is that it's so easy. 

Edited December 3 by mwaadeeb

[Frank Drebin 5782]

Quinn has been inconsistent since his injury.  I am hoping he improves and becomes more consistent and cuts out the soul crushing errors.  One thing he has done better is limit the three and outs that were killing us in earlier post injury games this year.

[Thatguy 9152]

9 hours ago, Yev Kassem said:

Matt fucking Nordgren could win five straight with the way this defense is playing.

17 second half points in three weeks. That’s not gonna cut it against Georgia and most of the teams we could face in the CFP.

Did it ever occurred to any of you with this "in a vacuum" opinion that Sark is calling the game based on the situation and what he thinks his defense will do? 

[Ghost of Shag 2713]

12 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

And one day you will learn that if you protect the dude he will be fine. You can't allow 7 sacks and a million pressures and expect the QB to play well. You and the others asking for miracles is what we have a problem with. Holding Quinn to a standard you don't have for others. Btw, we looked exactly the same from a pocket presence/sack/pressure standpoint when Arch came in the game too. And I was told he was far superior at moving in the pocket and pocket presence in general. 

Are you kidding me? We protected him against Aggie and he imploded.

What the fuck are you watching? It was sheer luck that he didn’t get picked off three times in that game. 

Edited December 3 by Ghost of Shag

[HtownHorn 15169]

11 hours ago, Vic Mackey said:

Against Georgia, Quinn could have ended up with about 6 picks.

Here we are after game 12 and people are still hoping and wishing Quinn takes the reigns of the offense. Tells you all you need to know.

Yep. The fact that after 30+ games as a starter in this system and we still don't have any clue which version of the QB is going to show up is not a good thing. I don't understand how some people are glossing over this like it is a nothing burger.

[Thatguy 9152]

23 hours ago, Codaxx said:

No pressure on that play. Just threw it a bit early and behind.

 

 

22 hours ago, Pato del Muerto said:

He saw it and wanted to throw it before helm got to the first defender. Looks like helm thought he’d cross that defender and then look for it- like the play where he basically took the ball from Bryce Anderson later in the game. 

 

21 hours ago, dcar00 said:

where is the safety on that play?

 

21 hours ago, hook me said:

 

Ready to blow Helm up if QE waits another second to throw that. QE read that perfectly, the LB covering Helm was covering for the LB that blitzed on Helms side. He's having to come across the entire formation and there's no way for him to get there in time. If Helm would have read his guy blitzing and realized he was the hot read that's a first down and a big play if he can make Anderson miss.

Helm is supposed to recognize hot there and break it off and present himself. Same on the Bond play. But Ewers....

[Pam Cummings 9800]

9 hours ago, joeycovers said:

We could win the National Title and y’all will still be bitching about if we could have went undefeated and been considered one of the best teams of all time if Sark had went to Arch permanently after Quinn was injured. 

Ewers was supposed to be a Heisman candidate. He was definitely supposed to play well enough to get to the presentation ceremony. And he was definitely supposed to be a first round pick after this year. None of that has come to fruition and we're to the point where we actually have to worry about the guy coming back next year and ruining our plans with Arch. The fact that we are sitting here with one loss, having made the playoffs, and are in the SEC title game despite all of this is not good for Quinn, imo. He underperformed. Even worse, he solidified himself as "guy with injury concerns".

Edited December 3 by Pam Cummings

[bad_teammate 13442]

1 minute ago, HtownHorn said:

I don't understand how some people are glossing over this like it is a nothing burger.

Because we have no control over it and there is no clear alternative that is obviously superior. Arch isn't a lock to be a better QB going into the SEC championship and playoffs and Owens definitely isn't.

One of my sad Aggie friends was lamenting the upcoming loss of Connor Weigman and saying just handing the keys to the kingdom over to Marcel Reed is a long-term mistake. He said he thinks it was smart for Sark to stick with Quinn and avoid trying out the shiny new object when Quinn struggled and stick to a plan and work towards a plan with confidence. I agree with the Ag and, I suppose, with Sark. (He wishes Elko had done the same with Weigman and that Weigman will go to another school and turn out to be a better QB than whatever A&M trots out for the next 2 years, a'la OU/Oregon Arnold/Gabriel.)

Do I, personally, want Arch to play? Absolutely, but it's for reasons beyond what is most likely to produce the best results overall for the team in the short/medium term (all we have remaining for this season). I want Arch to play for aesthetic and emotional reasons, for fan reasons.

My brain recognizes that we have a coach who is intelligently managing a team/roster and I trust that management.

Quinn is our QB, warts and all, because he is pretty clearly the better option in terms of winning the football games ahead of us. As cool as it would be to know Arch was starting and then start building stories in our heads about how he's going to be some hot-tempered, dynamic, play-making god, that's really just us having a fun time inventing stories in our heads.

[Jkwellborn 6971]

Did it ever occurred to any of you with this "in a vacuum" opinion that Sark is calling the game based on the situation and what he thinks his defense will do? 

I don’t doubt he is to an extent. I understand and agree with that to a point. But damn, he needs to quite praying the defense only gives up 10 points a game.

[Horn Dogg 4259]

31 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Did it ever occurred to any of you with this "in a vacuum" opinion that Sark is calling the game based on the situation and what he thinks his defense will do? 

Well……he keeps fucking winning, so I’m inclined to give the man a little credit and say he probably knows what he’s doing.

[UTEE97 3833]

37 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Did it ever occurred to any of you with this "in a vacuum" opinion that Sark is calling the game based on the situation and what he thinks his defense will do? 

No but it occurred to me that Sark calls a conservative game when Quinn is the QB. He tried calling more aggressive games in his first 2-3 years with less success. Then he adjusted. I think he prefers more aggressive play calling when he has the weapons ( see Bama and Arch). 

Edited December 3 by UTEE97

[hobbes2702 13259]

48 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

And one day you will learn that if you protect the dude he will be fine. You can't allow 7 sacks and a million pressures and expect the QB to play well. You and the others asking for miracles is what we have a problem with. Holding Quinn to a standard you don't have for others. Btw, we looked exactly the same from a pocket presence/sack/pressure standpoint when Arch came in the game too. And I was told he was far superior at moving in the pocket and pocket presence in general. 

He’s been horrible for the last 3 weeks in the second half of games. Our protection hasn’t been the problem. 
Why are you incapable of acknowledging that?

[Your Mom 4940]

15 minutes ago, Pam Cummings said:

Ewers was supposed to be a Heisman candidate. He was definitely supposed to play well enough to get to the presentation ceremony. And he was definitely supposed to be a first round pick after this year.

“Was supposed to”???? According to what laws of the universe was he supposed to do those things? 

 The preseason hype machine?  The $9.95ers that make up whatever shit you want to hear so you’ll click and share it?  The homer message board posters?  The national media that forms opinions on a few highlights of hundreds of players?  

If you believed all that shit it’s on you.
 

 

[hobbes2702 13259]

Just now, Your Mom said:

“Was supposed to”???? According to what laws of the universe was he supposed to do those things? 

 The preseason hype machine?  The $9.95ers that make up whatever shit you want to hear so you’ll click and share it?  The homer message board posters?  The national media that forms opinions on a few highlights of hundreds of players?  

If you believed all that shit it’s on you.
 

 

So your opinion preseason was the Quinn would be a middle of the road QB? What a stupid post

[Ghost of Shag 2713]

3 minutes ago, Your Mom said:

“Was supposed to”???? According to what laws of the universe was he supposed to do those things? 

 The preseason hype machine?  The $9.95ers that make up whatever shit you want to hear so you’ll click and share it?  The homer message board posters?  The national media that forms opinions on a few highlights of hundreds of players?  

If you believed all that shit it’s on you.
 

 

Don’t be fucking obtuse. Quinn was near the top of the list on any Heisman watch list one could find…Vegas not withstanding. Based on the progress he made over the last few years, that was a completely reasonable line of thinking.

Get the fuck out of here with this bullshit.

[Codaxx 6117]

27 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Did it ever occurred to any of you with this "in a vacuum" opinion that Sark is calling the game based on the situation and what he thinks his defense will do? 

Sark has called run plays at 55% or more in 5 games this year (CSU, ULM, Ark, UK, and A&M). Margin of victory in ULM and CSU was 100 pts, so absolute blow outs. Lot of running late in the game to skew results. He has also done it the last 3 games. He is doing to protect the defense. I give him credit for that. You know he wants to chuck it deep and win with an exciting brand of football, instead he is calling plays to protect his defense. 

[HtownHorn 15169]

3 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

So your opinion preseason was the Quinn would be a middle of the road QB? What a stupid post

He was the Heisman favorite after Michigan. I think 250 yards is bare minimum to expect of Quinn in each game. He's hit that mark 3 out of 9 times this season. He averaged 290 last year, and is averaging 231 this year. He has regressed big time over the 2nd half of the season. Wishing it away for some people is not changing what other people clearly see.

[kevwun 16075]

Michigan won the title last year doing the same thing.  I am just fine with it.

[Your Mom 4940]

1 minute ago, Ghost of Shag said:

Don’t be fucking obtuse. Quinn was near the top of the list on any Heisman watch list one could find…Vegas not withstanding.

The point is those lists get it wrong every fucking year. There are always names on those lists that prove themselves not worthy by the end of the year. You’re a fucking idiot if you read those and put any stock into them whatsoever.

[HtownHorn 15169]

1 minute ago, Codaxx said:

Sark has called run plays at 55% or more in 5 games this year (CSU, ULM, Ark, UK, and A&M). Margin of victory in ULM and CSU was 100 pts, so absolute blow outs. Lot of running late in the game to skew results. He has also done it the last 3 games. He is doing to protect the defense. I give him credit for that. You know he wants to chuck it deep and win with an exciting brand of football, instead he is calling plays to protect his defense. 

True. Quinn has allowed more points to the opposing team in the last two weeks than the Texas defense.

[bad_teammate 13442]

It would be impossible for me to care less about any of our players' NFL or awards outlooks vs us winning championships on the field.

[Your Mom 4940]

1 minute ago, kevwun said:

Michigan won the title last year doing the same thing.  I am just fine with it.

And Georgia the two years before that.   

[HtownHorn 15169]

1 minute ago, kevwun said:

Michigan won the title last year doing the same thing.  I am just fine with it.

JJ McCarthy was also a Top 10 pick the NFL draft, not quite the same.

[hobbes2702 13259]

2 minutes ago, Your Mom said:

The point is those lists get it wrong every fucking year. There are always names on those lists that prove themselves not worthy by the end of the year. You’re a fucking idiot if you read those and put any stock into them whatsoever.

What was your expectation for Quinn this year? Has he met it? It has nothing to do with the lists. Do you not understand why the preseason hype existed?

[Pam Cummings 9800]

13 minutes ago, Your Mom said:

“Was supposed to”???? According to what laws of the universe was he supposed to do those things? 

 The preseason hype machine?  The $9.95ers that make up whatever shit you want to hear so you’ll click and share it?  The homer message board posters?  The national media that forms opinions on a few highlights of hundreds of players?  

If you believed all that shit it’s on you.
 

 

So let me get this straight. I should not expect the third year starter of a team that made the playoffs last year, has an experienced OL with multiple draft picks on it, has multiple great receiving threats, and Sarkisian as a playcaller to perform in a way to where he gets Heisman love? That's the take?

Edited December 3 by Pam Cummings

[dcar00 14866]

39 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

 

 

 

Helm is supposed to recognize hot there and break it off and present himself. Same on the Bond play. But Ewers....

there is an option on that play, which we have seen multiple times, to have Helm beat the LB over the top, but Quinn and Helm have to read the safety.

I'd say it is more likely Helm messed up but no one really knows.

[HtownHorn 15169]

3 minutes ago, Your Mom said:

And Georgia the two years before that.   

Stetson Bennett accounted for over 7400 Total yards and 68 total TDs while guiding the Bulldogs to back to back championships. You are fucking retarded.

[Pam Cummings 9800]

3 minutes ago, HtownHorn said:

JJ McCarthy was also a Top 10 pick the NFL draft, not quite the same.

Seriously....McCarthy was drafted top 10. Do we expect that from Quinn? I suppose he could go on a real heater in the playoffs to win it all, but.....yeah.

[po elvis 2137]

The clock changes really allow a team with a lead the ability to run out the clock in the 4th quarter much easier than it was a few years ago. It used to frustrate me to no end trying to run out the clock too early. I was always of the opinion that you run your normal offense and score a TD and that is the best way to run out the clock. But now, running down the clock for a while 4th quarter seems to be pretty effective.

[HtownHorn 15169]

3 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

I'd say it is more likely Helm messed up but no one really knows.

With what we have seen so far this season, I trust Helm was right more than Ewers. Ewers threw it away because he saw pressure, if he pump fakes the safety, Helm has a massive gain.

[closetohumping 17698]

11 minutes ago, HtownHorn said:

True. Quinn has allowed more points to the opposing team in the last two weeks than the Texas defense.

We got shutout by aggy in the second half.   Scored 7 on UK and 10 on Arkansas, 6 against Vandy.  That is not all on Quinn but he has to take some blame.  
 

Georgia shut us out in the first half.  

[HtownHorn 15169]

1 minute ago, closetohumping said:

We got shutout by aggy in the second half.   Scored 7 on UK and 10 on Arkansas, 6 against Vandy.  That is not all on Quinn but he has to take some blame.  
 

Georgia shut us out in the first half.  

Yeah, the only multiple TD 2nd half lead by Quinn was the Georiga game, but we dug ourselves such a huge hole. Not too mention, Smart's stupid ass decision to onside kick to start the 2nd half and Barron's INT return inside the 15 set up both of those TDs.

[WinningIsHard 4171]

19 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

Sark has called run plays at 55% or more in 5 games this year (CSU, ULM, Ark, UK, and A&M). Margin of victory in ULM and CSU was 100 pts, so absolute blow outs. Lot of running late in the game to skew results. He has also done it the last 3 games. He is doing to protect the defense. I give him credit for that. You know he wants to chuck it deep and win with an exciting brand of football, instead he is calling plays to protect his defense. 

He has had a balanced attack his entire time as an OC, dating back to USC, washington and even the bama teams that had a heisman WR. He is methodical about being balanced. 

[Codaxx 6117]

6 minutes ago, WinningIsHard said:

He has had a balanced attack his entire time as an OC, dating back to USC, washington and even the bama teams that had a heisman WR. He is methodical about being balanced. 

That was exactly my pt. Sark has not been balanced recently

[WinningIsHard 4171]

14 minutes ago, HtownHorn said:

With what we have seen so far this season, I trust Helm was right more than Ewers. Ewers threw it away because he saw pressure, if he pump fakes the safety, Helm has a massive gain.

It was bryce anderson who is a damn good veteran safety and he was playing deep zone. lol. You don't like quinn, got it. No need to make up silly scenarios to prove your point. Quinn is who he is, Sark is sticking with him. I wish Sark would consult with you so we could win a national championship but maybe that's part of Sark's growth. If we get lucky he will come to his senses and keep you on speed dial. 

[WinningIsHard 4171]

Just now, Codaxx said:

That was exactly my pt. Sark has not been balanced recently

Oh. 55-45 is pretty balanced, or you meant in the other games aside from the 5 you mentioned we aren't balanced? 

[Codaxx 6117]

4 minutes ago, WinningIsHard said:

Oh. 55-45 is pretty balanced, or you meant in the other games aside from the 5 you mentioned we aren't balanced? 

Ark- 56%

UK - 60%

A&M- 64% 

there are 134 teams in CFB. 89 teams throw the ball more that 45%. 16 teams are at 40% or less. 

Edited December 3 by Codaxx

[WinningIsHard 4171]

1 minute ago, Codaxx said:

Ark- 56%

UK - 60%

A&M- 64% 

 

I gotcha. I am choosing to look at that like we were clearly exposed by Georgia the first time with our lack of running game and sark has made it a point to pound the football. Good practice for this game we are about to play. It's also a good guess that he's protecting our struggling QB and absolutely filthy defense that carries us for long stretches anyway. 

[Michael Knight 13178]

36 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

It would be impossible for me to care less about any of our players' NFL or awards outlooks vs us winning championships on the field.

That's only because you're a bad teammate 

[Texasborn91 1059]

49 minutes ago, Your Mom said:

“Was supposed to”???? According to what laws of the universe was he supposed to do those things? 

 The preseason hype machine?  The $9.95ers that make up whatever shit you want to hear so you’ll click and share it?  The homer message board posters?  The national media that forms opinions on a few highlights of hundreds of players?  

If you believed all that shit it’s on you.
 

 

That’s weak sauce dude. 

[Codaxx 6117]

3 minutes ago, WinningIsHard said:

I gotcha. I am choosing to look at that like we were clearly exposed by Georgia the first time with our lack of running game and sark has made it a point to pound the football. Good practice for this game we are about to play. It's also a good guess that he's protecting our struggling QB and absolutely filthy defense that carries us for long stretches anyway. 

I lean bit more to the later. Texas only has basically 1 Rb they trust. Love what Wisner has done, but he has 59 carries the last 2 weeks (63 touches). That is lot of work for any RB, but insane for one that likely does not weigh 200 pounds. Feels like that is based on necessity, not trying to get the run game going. 

[closetohumping 17698]

9 minutes ago, WinningIsHard said:

I gotcha. I am choosing to look at that like we were clearly exposed by Georgia the first time with our lack of running game and sark has made it a point to pound the football. Good practice for this game we are about to play. It's also a good guess that he's protecting our struggling QB and absolutely filthy defense that carries us for long stretches anyway. 

Ok so he is struggling?

[Thatguy 9152]

54 minutes ago, UTEE97 said:

No but it occurred to me that Sark calls a conservative game when Quinn is the QB. He tried calling more aggressive games in his first 2-3 years with less success. Then he adjusted. I think he prefers more aggressive play calling when he has the weapons ( see Bama and Arch). 

He called aggressive games last year. This year he doesn't need to. It's like you guys aren't seeing what is going on. The more receivers you put out in routes the easier  it is to throw. We primarily play out of 12 personnel. When Sark gets serious about scoring we see 11 or even 4 wide. We are throwing out of heavy run sets a lot. 

[Your Mom 4940]

39 minutes ago, HtownHorn said:

Stetson Bennett accounted for over 7400 Total yards and 68 total TDs while guiding the Bulldogs to back to back championships. You are fucking retarded.

Quinn’s numbers are not as far behind that as you think, with games left to play. Yards, TDs, picks… all pretty much in the same ballpark over the last 2 years of their careers.  I’m not saying he’s Stetson Bennett. I’m saying Georgia would’ve won those championships with a lot of other dudes at quarterback. They didn’t win because of Stetson Bennett. Michigan didn’t win because of McCarthy.  Bama didn’t win because of Mac Jones.  Quinn is pretty fucking far from elite, but you can win championships without elite qb play. 

[WinningIsHard 4171]

3 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

Ok so he is struggling?

You can't find a post where I have even attempted to argue otherwise pecker head, but I have been adamant that we can win with Quinn. Arch will help us win too, he's a wild card people can't prepare for adequately. Sark knows what's he doing and the results so far speak for themselves. Quinn is qb1. 

[MontereyMX 904]

1 minute ago, Your Mom said:

Quinn’s numbers are not as far behind that as you think, with games left to play. Yards, TDs, picks… all pretty much in the same ballpark over the last 2 years of their careers.  I’m not saying he’s Stetson Bennett. I’m saying Georgia would’ve won those championships with a lot of other dudes at quarterback. They didn’t win because of Stetson Bennett. Michigan didn’t win because of McCarthy.  Bama didn’t win because of Mac Jones.  Quinn is pretty fucking far from elite, but you can win championships without elite qb play. 

he is  closer to elite than some of us think 

[Thatguy 9152]

1 hour ago, Ghost of Shag said:

Are you kidding me? We protected him against Aggie and he imploded.

What the fuck are you watching? It was sheer luck that he didn’t get picked off three times in that game. 

I saw all that buddy. I saw him throw an ill advised ball trying to fit one over top and almost get picked. I saw him fit a ball in to Helm and had the DB been a step quicker he likely picks that. I saw him get a ball batted at the line and get picked. And I see those same plays every Saturday in every game. I also saw him make a couple throws that said "he is him" too that a lot of QBs can't make. Do I wish the guy didn't have turnovers? Of course I do. We all do. But if you want a guy who is going to make that throw to Blue on the road in that situation he is also going to make errors trying to make a play too. Yall are going to be pissed at this dude until he leaves if you think he isn't going to make errors. 

The other thing that you don't understand is that Sark takes his foot off the throttle when he is up. It's who he is. He was doing the same thing in year one before QE even got here. Last year he proved he could open the offense up in the second half. To make my point when Quinn fumbled he was looking to throw an out route to Juan Davis. We are never serious about offense when Juan Davis is running pass routes. Even in the Georgia game Sark started opening it up in the 2nd half but we waited to long to do it.