QB1 Quinn "La Joya" Ewers - The Man The Myth The Mullet

[BurntOrange&White 41574]

Just now, WinningIsHard said:

It’s much more entertaining to see you pop your troll head out of a hole even when you aren’t summoned lol. Giga chad that you are. 

[Hank_Hill 19691]

4 minutes ago, Murfdogg21 said:

I think the concern was/is that we can’t beat Georgia or Oregon with mediocre QB play, and Arch provides a threat in zone reads, RPO, and deep passes that defenses don’t have to plan for with Quinn. It’s possible that Quinn can be better than Arch at somethings (like reading defense, pinpoint accuracy in short to medium passes), but Arch’s strengths give us a better chance of beating elite teams. 

Sark obviously doesn’t think this is correct. Hopefully he knows more than the people in this thread or we’ve got bigger issues. 

[jimmyjazz 46937]

27 minutes ago, Murfdogg21 said:

It’s possible that Quinn can be better than Arch at somethings (like reading defense, pinpoint accuracy in short to medium passes), but Arch’s strengths give us a better chance of beating elite teams. 

And Sark disagrees.

[westexhorn 2150]

What's the verdict? Do we bench Quinn?

[LTtxfan 49879]

1 hour ago, Codaxx said:

Cool, you must have a lot going on. I underestimated the defense and the run game. Glad they carried the load, especially the OL. Run game improvement the last few weeks is one of the better developments. Still think the pass game needs to improve to see Texas deep in the playoffs. I guess it is possible  that Quinn can be the Texas version of Dilfer. I’ll be happy if that is how it plays out 

Agree that our passing offense will have to improve to play after New Years Day -- hopefully some extra time off helps.  🤘

[Dahobbs 18163]

33 minutes ago, LTtxfan said:

Agree that our passing offense will have to improve to play after New Years Day -- hopefully some extra time off helps.  🤘

Part of that will have to be improvement with our receivers. Quinn and the receivers really need to get on the same page. I think people have underestimated the affect of replacing all our top catch passers. 

[msucolt45 4212]

Quinn’s problem is if , for some reason, Arch has to come in and bail him out or complete the Georgia game, the “fans” will insist that Arch goes forward into the playoffs.

Hook’em!!!

[Valmy77 13567]

1 minute ago, msucolt45 said:

Quinn’s problem is if , for some reason, Arch has to come in and bail him out or complete the Georgia game, the “fans” will insist that Arch goes forward into the playoffs.

Hook’em!!!

Doesn't really matter what the fans think. Or the "fans".

The worse we could do is boo him at a home game. And if Arch wins the Georgia game we won't have another one of those.

[linux 1754]

If we can get this version of Quinn Ewers there is not a team that can't get its doors blown off, even the little details like the pump fake making Scourton bite, that slight motion made a potential tipped pass go from low probability to zero probability.

I don't know if telling him to dial it down makes him play like shit, but from my admittedly limited sample size when we need to score he scores* but when told to turtle he makes stupid mistakes.

*Georgia game excluded.

[Codaxx 6183]

10 hours ago, WinningIsHard said:

LOL. You signed up a year after me and have 1500 more posts. Settle down James Dean. I told you and that crayon eating fuck BO&W to not panic about aggy. I have zero idea how you could underestimate Texas’s defense in the 12th game of the year. If they take the field goals offered to them they still don’t beat us lol. Water under the bridge now tho, Georgia will not be that easy to beat. Quinn needs to not turn the ball over. We can agree on that I think. 

Who was in a panic? Said all week that Texas wins easily if every offensive drive ends in a kick. Mathematically it’s pretty easy to underestimate giving up 0 pts. 

[DigglerontheHoof 21512]

JFC this thread gives me tired-head. 

[Irish Wrist Watch 1470]

22 hours ago, Hank_Hill said:

Sark obviously doesn’t think this is correct. Hopefully he knows more than the people in this thread or we’ve got bigger issues. 

I think Sark is frustrated by Quinn's fuckups. I think he's going to begin increasing the pressure on him to fly right. This fucking week... and beginning Saturday, he will indeed bring Arch in the first time Quinn falters. Probably for just a series or two, or maybe one possession if he takes it down the field. Sark knows it's time for Quinn to get his shit together.

If Sark has any sense at all, he knows we can't find ourselves in another Garrett Gilbert situation - and if we do, it will be all Sark's fault, and should be. Colt McCoy was healthy and his injury was unexpected, but I'm gonna be pretty surprised if Quinn makes it to the fourth Quarter of the Georgia game without a serious limp. Sark has to know this is a possibility, and I don't think that if Quinn comes up limping this time that Sark will be willing to take his foot off the gas pedal. He absolutely has to get Manning more reps, especially for what lies beyond. Sark should not destroy this team's season because of Quinn.

Gonna be interesting.

Edited December 5 by Irish Wrist Watch

[Hank_Hill 19691]

^^did you just copy a post from 4 weeks ago or something?

[Ghost of Shag 2722]

We had gone six whole hours without anyone (myself included) thinking about this thread and you had to go and fuck it up.

[Irish Wrist Watch 1470]

3 minutes ago, Ghost of Shag said:

We had gone six whole hours without anyone (myself included) thinking about this thread and you had to go and fuck it up.

Look at it this way. Sark has probably hit this thread three times in the last six hours looking for some direction. Hoping for a blinding flash of "fuck, why didn't I think of that". The road ahead is clear. Nothing gonna stop us now. The Dream Season is back on track. Experience QB teams with Freshman to win Natty. A star running back emerges. The next Earl Campbell has arrived! We beat Oregon 33-7.

[Thatguy 9239]

On 12/3/2024 at 12:55 PM, closetohumping said:

I just hope you guys are as forgiving with Arch as you are with Quinn

This isn't an Arch vs Quinn contest where you have to take sides and stay there. There has been no QB that played at Texas that I spent time dragging through the mud like yall do Quinn. I learned my lesson with Simms. Fan dislike spreads and if you think it doesn't affect the players you are wrong. That is why I hate it so much. The only reason people are like that towards Quinn is because Arch is here.

[6th Street 6650]

 

Look at that beauty 

 

[Hank Kingsley 21581]

Newsflash: QB is the most important position in sports. When they play well, they get their flowers. When they don't, they get lots of criticism. 

Quinn was the #1 ranked player in the country out of HS. He is a millionaire from his time at Texas. He has shown flashes of brilliance, it's ok to expect more. 

 

[Thatguy 9239]

On 12/3/2024 at 6:26 PM, Hank_Hill said:

I just don’t care because we are achieving what I want which is winning. Sure he regressed.

Imagine a QB losing his two best running backs, NFL RT, and 4 pass catchers to the NFL and not expecting a loss of offensive production. Make it make sense.

[Hookem10 846]

[Pig Bellmont 8865]

This thread is a giant circle jerk. Congratulations, now let’s go win the whole damn thing

[Gandalfish 378]

[Irish Wrist Watch 1470]

2 minutes ago, 6th Street said:

 

Look at that beauty 

 

Talk about a momentum changer. Tipped or not, that ball was going to be intercepted. Quinn should never have thrown it. Poor judgement. Pump fake, maybe. I hate these sideline timing routes.

[Hank Kingsley 21581]

4 minutes ago, 6th Street said:

 

Look at that beauty 

 

First time I've watched that play multiple times. Watch him whip is left leg to avoid contact on that bum ankle. Hopefully he feels a lot more comfortable physically out there this week. 

 

 

[BurntOrange&White 41574]

2 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Imagine a QB losing his two best running backs, NFL RT, and 4 pass catchers to the NFL and not expecting a loss of offensive production. Make it make sense.

To be fair he has 3 NFL WR's right now, a better TE, and a better RT.

8 minutes ago, 6th Street said:

 

Look at that beauty 

 

That throw should have never been made, period.

[WinningIsHard 4171]

9 minutes ago, 6th Street said:

 

Look at that beauty 

 

Do we teach our OL to let people put their hands in the hair without absolutely punishing their shit for trying it? Cam should have burst forward and buried that dude for going off balanced and raising up in the air. Teach him a valuable lesson. 

[Thatguy 9239]

2 minutes ago, WinningIsHard said:

Do we teach our OL to let people put their hands in the hair without absolutely punishing their shit for trying it? Cam should have burst forward and buried that dude for going off balanced and raising up in the air. Teach him a valuable lesson. 

Careful. The "don't blame other people for Quinn's fuckups" crowd will be coming with their pitchforks. (btw its almost always the same side that the tips come from)

Edited December 5 by Thatguy

[Thatguy 9239]

6 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

To be fair he has 3 NFL WR's right now, a better TE, and a better RT.

That throw should have never been made, period.

Here we go. Now Helm is better than Sanders and Williams is better than Jones.

[Hank Kingsley 21581]

2 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

That throw should have never been made, period.

True, but hate the playcall as well. 1-on-1 that needs to be a route and throw into the endzone. 

 

[BurntOrange&White 41574]

1 minute ago, Thatguy said:

Here we go. Now Helm is better than Sanders and Williams is better than Jones.

Helm is definitely better than JT Sanders and Cam Williams is definitely better than Jones.

[WinningIsHard 4171]

1 minute ago, Hank Kingsley said:

True, but hate the playcall as well. 1-on-1 that needs to be a route and throw into the endzone. 

 

ball to the outside shoulder there and wingo can catch that....I have no idea where it was headed before it was tipped though to be fair. I don't really understand why wingo fell down though either. Just a bizarre play all around honestly after watching it a few times. DJ campbell is not a very smart OL, he might be physical but he misses a lot. 

[Park Gothic 5332]

14 hours ago, Irish Wrist Watch said:

Look at it this way. Sark has probably hit this thread three times in the last six hours looking for some direction. Hoping for a blinding flash of "fuck, why didn't I think of that". The road ahead is clear. Nothing gonna stop us now. The Dream Season is back on track. Experience QB teams with Freshman to win Natty. A star running back emerges. The next Earl Campbell has arrived! We beat Oregon 33-7.

17 minutes ago, 6th Street said:

Look at that beauty 

1 minute ago, Thatguy said:

Here we go. Now Helm is better than Sanders and Williams is better than Jones.

Are these controversial statements? You could argue that Sanders is a better pure receiver than Helm but (1) that's debatable and (2) Helm is the better TE over all. And Williams is his third season and his first as a starter and is already at least as good as Jones was as a 5th year. 

[closetohumping 17761]

6 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Careful. The "don't blame other people for Quinn's fuckups" crowd will be coming with their pitchforks. (btw its almost always the same side that the tips come from)

Yes.  We need to surround Quinn with more talent.   We’re all rooting for Quinn and it’s ok to like arch as well. 
 

but the last two games he’s scored more points for our opponent than for us.  

[BurntOrange&White 41574]

1 minute ago, WinningIsHard said:

ball to the outside shoulder there and wingo can catch that....I have no idea where it was headed before it was tipped though to be fair. I don't really understand why wingo fell down though either. Just a bizarre play all around honestly after watching it a few times. DJ campbell is not a very smart OL, he might be physical but he misses a lot. 

Nah, the route was undercut it's a pick either way....Should have just ate it and settled for a FG.

[CastHorn 884]

I attended the game in College Station. I came away pretty impressed with Quinn. I could see what he was seeing on the field. He typically made good decisions. Then I rewatched the game on ESPN and I can see why folks are a bit unhappy. The defense wasn’t going to let us lose that game, but Quinn was trying pretty hard to sell. He had a couple turnovers, but he could have easily had another Georgia type day. There’s not another starter on the team who would be starting with this lack of consistency. Gbenda got benched because he was good for two assignment busts a game. Campbell has been benched multiple times throughout the season. I’d like to see Auburn next if he can’t get it together.

[Hank Kingsley 21581]

1 minute ago, WinningIsHard said:

ball to the outside shoulder there and wingo can catch that....I have no idea where it was headed before it was tipped though to be fair. I don't really understand why wingo fell down though either. Just a bizarre play all around honestly after watching it a few times. DJ campbell is not a very smart OL, he might be physical but he misses a lot. 

Making that throw in the pocket is extremely dangerous and foolish. If he's not rolling out, that route shouldn't be even considered as an option IMO. 

 

[Wiler77 1617]

5 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

True, but hate the playcall as well. 1-on-1 that needs to be a route and throw into the endzone. 

 

Or RTDB considering we were averaging 6+ YPC.  It was 3rd and 4.  Run it twice in a row.  If you don't get it that Aggy offense isn't going 95 yards to score a TD on our defense.

I don't get the willingness to run it down their throat to close out a game, but not to score a TD.

[Codaxx 6183]

4 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Nah, the route was undercut it's a pick either way....Should have just ate it and settled for a FG.

Hard to know if it is picked, but it is more about the situation. No need to take that chance given the game situation. It OK to throw it out of bounds and kick the FG. Quinn is having way too many turnovers this year.. 11 turnovers in 342 touches. That is a turnover every 31.1 touches for perspective Beck is at 34.9 touches

Edited December 5 by Codaxx

[Thatguy 9239]

1 minute ago, Park Gothic said:

 

 

Are these controversial statements? You could argue that Sanders is a better pure receiver than Helm but (1) that's debatable and (2) Helm is the better TE over all. And Williams is his third season and his first as a starter and is already at least as good as Jones was as a 5th year. 

Sanders was most def better than Helm as a receiver before and after the catch which is the important part when you make the comment about a dropoff in receiving talent. Current Cam Williams is not as good as 5th yr Jones. He is projected to be better but the majority of our protection gaffs come from his side. Jones not only held his own but kept Campbell straightened out with the protection scheme.

[hook me 2139]

6 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

True, but hate the playcall as well. 1-on-1 that needs to be a route and throw into the endzone. 

 

I hated the play call, but I was hoping to continue running it down their throats. 3rd and 4, run the ball and if you get 2-3 yards you have a decision to make, otherwise take your points after a long and demoralizing drive. There wasn't a single option open on that play so the best case scenario was going to be Quinn throwing it away, instead he made a terrible decision & it got tipped to boot. I texted my brother that hopefully that was Quinn's last wtf turnover.. I was wrong. It seems he just can't help himself.

[Thatguy 9239]

5 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

Yes.  We need to surround Quinn with more talent.   We’re all rooting for Quinn and it’s ok to like arch as well. 
 

but the last two games he’s scored more points for our opponent than for us.  

Now he scored more points for our opponents than he did us. Lol. Imagine thinking this is true.

[WinningIsHard 4171]

1 minute ago, Codaxx said:

Hard to know if it is picked, but it is more about the situation. No need to take that chance given the game situation. It OK to throw it out of bounds and kick the FG. Quinn is having way too many turnovers this year.. 11 turnovers in 342 touches. That is a turnover every 31.1 touches for perspective Beck is at 34.9 touches

If you pause the video at the 3 second mark, when wingo makes his cut Lee isn't ready for it and he loses all his momentum forward. His ass sinks down and he's on his heels, quinn releases the ball at that moment. I think it was all going good until the ball was tipped. All quinn hate aside we need to teach our OL to fucking punish people for jumping/leaning up in the air every time they attempt it. It's absurd that cam didn't fuck that guy up when he shifted his balance to lift up in the air. 

[Thatguy 9239]

4 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

Hard to know if it is picked, but it is more about the situation. No need to take that chance given the game situation. It OK to throw it out of bounds and kick the FG. Quinn is having way too many turnovers this year.. 11 turnovers in 342 touches. That is a turnover every 31.1 touches for perspective Beck is at 34.9 touches

Context matters. Beck is throwing picks. Quinn is getting balls batted and fumbling from getting hit. He has had two turnovers all year that aren't from those scenarios. Beck barely gets touched back there and is simply making bad reads/decisions.

[Pam Cummings 9817]

43 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

This isn't an Arch vs Quinn contest where you have to take sides and stay there. There has been no QB that played at Texas that I spent time dragging through the mud like yall do Quinn. I learned my lesson with Simms. Fan dislike spreads and if you think it doesn't affect the players you are wrong. That is why I hate it so much. The only reason people are like that towards Quinn is because Arch is here.

Its frustrating because i just want to be critical and make honest assessments of Quinn but its hard to do without looking like a hater. I think we can win with him i just wish he could play a little better. And yes the throw to Blue in the end zone was dime as fuck but also a tad lucky.

 

I didnt really take a "side" on Simms/Applewhite stuff because neither guy was like outstanding or anything. But i do love Simms stuff as an analyst. He is really entertaining with Florio.

Edited December 5 by Pam Cummings

[Hank Kingsley 21581]

1 minute ago, WinningIsHard said:

If you pause the video at the 3 second mark, when wingo makes his cut Lee isn't ready for it and he loses all his momentum forward. His ass sinks down and he's on his heels, quinn releases the ball at that moment. I think it was all going good until the ball was tipped. All quinn hate aside we need to teach our OL to fucking punish people for jumping/leaning up in the air every time they attempt it. It's absurd that cam didn't fuck that guy up when he shifted his balance to lift up in the air. 

Due to pressure/footwork/injury, he had nothing on that throw even if it wasn't tipped. You're asking any QB to be incredibly accurate with perfect anticipation to make that route work. Bad call, bad decision by Quinn. 

He saw what looked like LB running free up the middle and just kind of panicked. 

 

[Thatguy 9239]

1 minute ago, Pam Cummings said:

Its frustrating because i just want to be critical and make honest assessments of Quinn but its hard to do without looking like a hater. I think we can win with him i just wish he could play a little better. And yes the throw to Blue in the end zone was dime as fuck but also a tad lucky.

We can tell the difference between the people being critical of a play and just being haters. The haters disappear when Quinn plays well but come roaring back when Quinn makes a mistake. Check the game threads. As far as that throw goes when a DB has his back to you, is in trail, and it's a relatively short toss you give your guy a chance.

[Dahobbs 18163]

18 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Here we go. Now Helm is better than Sanders and Williams is better than Jones.

 

7 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Sanders was most def better than Helm as a receiver before and after the catch which is the important part when you make the comment about a dropoff in receiving talent. Current Cam Williams is not as good as 5th yr Jones. He is projected to be better but the majority of our protection gaffs come from his side. Jones not only held his own but kept Campbell straightened out with the protection scheme.

Helm is definitely better than Sanders. And as far as after the catch goes, have you not seen Helm hurdle a defender almost every fuckin game? Sanders had a bit more shake and bake in his routes, but god damn Helm is the man with the ball in his hands. And Helm can actually block this year, which is something Sanders barely aspired to do. 

[Hank Kingsley 21581]

1 minute ago, Thatguy said:

As far as that throw goes when a DB has his back to you, is in trail, and it's a relatively short toss you give your guy a chance.

No, you don't. Not in that scenario and position on the field. 

 

[closetohumping 17761]

12 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Now he scored more points for our opponents than he did us. Lol. Imagine thinking this is true.

Second half 

[Park Gothic 5332]

18 minutes ago, Wiler77 said:

Or RTDB considering we were averaging 6+ YPC.  It was 3rd and 4.  Run it twice in a row.  If you don't get it that Aggy offense isn't going 95 yards to score a TD on our defense.

I don't get the willingness to run it down their throat to close out a game, but not to score a TD.

A huge problem with both of Ewers' turnovers against A&M was playcalling. As you said, RTDB in the red zone. Why are we going for a low percentage perimeter pass? It could have worked but for the tip, but I still don't like it. 

But playcalling on the second turnover (the fumble) was inexcusable. We have a hobbled QB who was not a great runner to begin with, why are we asking him to do zone read in the red zone? Did Sark think Manning was in? Makes no sense. That doesn't excuse how careless Ewers was being with the football, but the problem started with the playcall. 

14 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Sanders was most def better than Helm as a receiver before and after the catch which is the important part when you make the comment about a dropoff in receiving talent. Current Cam Williams is not as good as 5th yr Jones. He is projected to be better but the majority of our protection gaffs come from his side. Jones not only held his own but kept Campbell straightened out with the protection scheme.

I don't agree - in 2023, Sanders had 45 receptions for 682 yards and 2 TDs. His longest reception (catch and run) was 50 yards. This season, Helm has 48 receptions for 600 yards and 5 TDs. His longest reception was 49 yards. 

Sanders was a great receiving TE, but his numbers aren't materially better than Helm's. On top of that, Helm has been absolutely mission critical in giving Ewers an outlet on tough downs. Ewers clearly trusts Helm and feels more confident throwing him the ball. In other words, I don't think the numbers support the argument that Sanders was better and I don't think the eye test supports it either.