QB1 Quinn "La Joya" Ewers - The Man The Myth The Mullet

Longhornlove · Tuesday at 06:26 PM

5 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

Career wins? Jamie Moyer has more career wins than bob feller

Exactly, it isn't a relevant metric for QBs. Too many other factors. A pitcher has direct influence of the opposing teams offensive production

CoTex · Tuesday at 06:29 PM

5 minutes ago, sidis said:

Huh? You compared Quinn’s qbr and Beck’s qbr and said we lost despite better qb play from quinn compared to beck. The last play of the game for Beck was the last play of the first half. When he went out of the game, Texas was winning 6-3. Not sure what you’re confused by.

Ok, I'll be more clear and less clever. You're wrong. Specifically, the part where you said:

The last play of the game for Beck was the last play of the first half.

Georgia QB Carson Beck returns from hand injury for final snap in SEC championship OT win over Texas – CBS17.com

Now is when you say "that doesn't count because... reasons."

chemHORN · Tuesday at 06:30 PM

1 minute ago, Steamboat1874 said:

He has also, in the last two seasons, lead us to eleven win seasons, won a conference championship and played for another, and got us into the CFP.

Yeah I'm not saying he is bad, he just isn't elite. He isn't out there commanding his troops and making plays. He is executing what he is given, and he needs the people around him to make plays. There is nothing wrong with that and you can win a lot of games with a QB like that. We can win with Quinn at QB, I'm just not sure we want to be trailing in the last 2 minutes needing a score to win with him at QB.

Longhornlove · Tuesday at 06:31 PM

Somewhere there is a Buffalo Bills fan saying Jim Kelly is a bum for never delivering a SB win.

sidis · Tuesday at 06:32 PM

2 minutes ago, CoTex said:

Ok, I'll be more clear and less clever. You're wrong. Specifically, the part where you said:

The last play of the game for Beck was the last play of the first half.

Georgia QB Carson Beck returns from hand injury for final snap in SEC championship OT win over Texas – CBS17.com

Now is when you say "that doesn't count because... reasons."

See my edit that you left out of your quote to acknowledge that utterly dumbass point regarding your “honest question.”

OU Sucks · Tuesday at 06:44 PM

1 hour ago, Gandalfish said:

I've decided to extend this rating system into the playoff.

Here's what Quinn has done so far since I started this highly scientific rating system:

1. Texas 49-17 vs. Florida. Score = 100.0

2. Texas 20-10 vs. Arkansas Score = 72.0

3. Texas 31-14 vs. Kentucky Score = 77.6

4. Texas 17-7 vs. Aggy Score = 89.1

5. Georgia 22-19 vs. Texas Score = 70.6

Here is how the playoff games will factor into the rating going forward:

6. First Round Game vs. Clemson. Sum Ewers QBR +10 for a team win -10 for a team loss.

7. Quarterfinal Game vs. Arizona State. Sum Ewers QBR +20 for a team win -10 for a team loss.

8. Semifinal Game vs. Oregon, Ohio State or Tennessee. Sum Ewers QBR +30 for a team win -10 for a team loss.

9. Championship Game vs. Some Asshole. Sum Ewers QBR +60 for a team win -10 for a team loss.

Here is our scale again, unchanged:

0-65.0 : THE ULTIMATE PUSSY : Sorry Quinn, you are officially and forever a Huge Pussy

65-75 : PRETTY MUCH A PUSSY : Quinn, you had so much potential but you ended up playing like a Pussy for us. There might be hope for you in the future though.

75-85 : KIND OF A PUSSY : Quinn, we would have had a real shot this season if you didn't play like a pussy one too many times. Good luck in the NFL though bro.

85-95 : MOST LIKELY NOT A PUSSY : Quinn did enough to win, but could he have done more? (I admit if we end up here the argument will go on. I'll take my chances)

95-100 : DEFINITELY NOT A PUSSY : You can say what you want about Quinn Ewers, but he ain't no pussy.

100+ : DUDE IS A BOSS : It turns out you guys have just been haters the whole time. Potential Longhorn Legend.

Quinn is sitting not-so-pretty at an average of 81.9, which is KIND OF A PUSSY. Pretty much the worst he could end up after the playoffs is PRETTY MUCH A PUSSY, which would be a drop of one category.

He could easily get to MOST LIKELY NOT A PUSSY with a few wins and solid performances. To get to DEFINITELY NOT A PUSSY he would probably have to at least make the championship game and play well.

Crunching a few numbers DUDE IS A BOSS is pretty much only achievable if he wins the whole fucking thing and plays out of his mind the whole time.

There's gotta be some 0.9x multiplier or other deduction factored in since Quinn was begging for booty pics. I mean, even Case was out there filming booty*.

*Possibly under murky circumstances we probably shouldn't discuss

Dahobbs · Tuesday at 06:51 PM

31 minutes ago, Red Five said:

He was a part of teams that did those things, yes. It is quite evident that we could have done those things with any number of different QBs.

List of QBs that have beaten a Nick Saban Alabama team in Tuscaloosa since 2012:

Joe Burrow
Quinn Ewers
Chad Kelly
Johnny Manziel

That's the list.

List of Texas QBs that have won a Big 12 Title

Vince Young
Colt McCoy
Quinn Ewers
James Brown

I don't think it is evident at all that we could have done those things with "any number of different QBs". But if you actually mean a handful of the very best college football quarterbacks to play over the last 3 years, then sure, we could have done those things with them.

Our offense has regressed this year. Quinn has regressed this year. Part of that is personnel changes. Part of that is injury. Part of that failure to elevate play. Quinn has still been a very good quarterback for the horns overall and it is stupid to suggest that replacing him with just any other QB would have result with the same success.

Edited Tuesday at 06:54 PM by Dahobbs

Longhornlove · Tuesday at 06:54 PM

8 minutes ago, OU Sucks said:

There's gotta be some 0.9x multiplier or other deduction factored in since Quinn was begging for booty pics. I mean, even Case was out there filming booty*.

*Possibly under murky circumstances we probably shouldn't discuss

Show me a man who hasn't begged for booty pics. Not sure one exists.

closetohumping · Tuesday at 06:56 PM

4 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

List of QBs that have beaten a Nick Saban Alabama team in Tuscaloosa since 2012:

Joe Burrow

Quinn Ewers

Chad Kelly

Johnny Manziel

That's the list.

List of Texas QBs that have won a Big 12 Title

Vince Young

Colt McCoy

Quinn Ewers

James Brown

I don't think it is evident at all that we could have done those things with "any number of different QBs". But if you actually mean a handful of the very best college football quarterbacks to play over the last 3 years, then sure, we could have done those things with them.

Our offense has regressed this year. Quinn has regressed this year. Part of that is personnel changes. Part of that is injury. Part of that failure to elevate play. Quinn has still been a very good quarterback for the horns overall and it is stupid to suggest that replacing him with just any other QB would have result with the same success.

Can you do that for every position group? It's a team game right?

Dahobbs · Tuesday at 07:04 PM

9 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

Can you do that for every position group? It's a team game right?

I'm very confused. Folks in this thread have repeatedly said the QB is the most important position and that is why they get the criticism and the credit. That's why we're justifying tearing apart the performance of our starting QB despite him being objectively the best player on our offense on Saturday.

I agree. It is a team game. That doesn't change the fact that the list of QBs involved in those two groupings is pretty exclusive and a fairly elite group. I don't buy that we have the same success with just any other QB. It doesn't match historical precedent at all.

But sure, let's look at another position grouping, say RB.

Texas Big 12 Championship teams

1996 - Priest Holmes and Ricky Williams
2005 - Jamaal Charles and Selvin Young
2009 - Fozzy Whittaker and Tre Newton
2023 - Jonathon Brooks and CJ Baxter

Edited Tuesday at 07:08 PM by Dahobbs

Valmy77 · Tuesday at 07:07 PM

2 hours ago, CoTex said:

Beck's qbr for the CCG was 59.5

Quinn's was 70.6

Honest question, does that mean our QB played better than theirs and we still lost?

Seems like both QBs played poorly.

But unlike Quinn, Beck had another QB fill in for him for a bit.

Saint Tacky · Tuesday at 07:08 PM

Deleted. Fake news is fake.

Edited Tuesday at 07:10 PM by Saint Tacky
Fake

Longhornlove · Tuesday at 07:09 PM

asked to delete

Edited Tuesday at 07:13 PM by Longhornlove

hook me · Tuesday at 07:11 PM

2 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

CFP QBs by QBR

1 Dillon Gabriel, Oregon
2 Kurtis Rourke, Indiana
3 Will Howard, Ohio St
4 Drew Allar, Penn St
5 Sam Leavitt, Arizona St
6 Riley Leonard, ND
7 Cade Klubnik, Clemson
8 Kevin Jennings, SMU
9 Maddux Madsen, Boise St
10 Quinn Ewers, Texas
11 Nico Iamaleava, Tenn
12 Gunnar Stockton, Georgia*

*Carson Beck would be ranked 6th if healthy.

So by QBR Quinn and Nico are the two worst QBs outside of the guy making his first start.

We'll see just how good some of these QBs are that have played different versions of nobody all season. Madsen sucked vs. UO, Rourke completely no showed OSU & wasn't very good against UM, Klubnik is known, Leavitt has feasted on some shitty Big 12 teams but that's not happening in the playoffs & he won't be able to lean on Skattebo avg. 6+ a carry, & Howards performance vs Michigan is enough to let me know he's still the same Will Howard and not anyone we should worry about. I don't know, just from what I've seen this season I'd still have Quinn in the 3-6 range. Gabriel is tops & then you can choose between Allar, Leonard, Howard, Ewers, Klubnik, & Jennings. Any of them could have a big game and lead their team to victory or be a turnover machine or just complete ass and cause their team to lose.

Saint Tacky · Tuesday at 07:11 PM

1 minute ago, Longhornlove said:

Pretty sure it is fake news.

will you delete my quote?

Codaxx · Tuesday at 07:24 PM

31 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

List of QBs that have beaten a Nick Saban Alabama team in Tuscaloosa since 2012:

Joe Burrow

Quinn Ewers

Chad Kelly

Johnny Manziel

That's the list.

List of Texas QBs that have won a Big 12 Title

Vince Young

Colt McCoy

Quinn Ewers

James Brown

I don't think it is evident at all that we could have done those things with "any number of different QBs". But if you actually mean a handful of the very best college football quarterbacks to play over the last 3 years, then sure, we could have done those things with them.

Our offense has regressed this year. Quinn has regressed this year. Part of that is personnel changes. Part of that is injury. Part of that failure to elevate play. Quinn has still been a very good quarterback for the horns overall and it is stupid to suggest that replacing him with just any other QB would have result with the same success.

The list of QBs that won the Big 12 is much less esteemed and they did it with much less talent. Where are we going with this nonsense?

52-80 · Tuesday at 07:25 PM

40 minutes ago, OU Sucks said:

There's gotta be some 0.9x multiplier or other deduction factored in since Quinn was begging for booty pics. I mean, even Case was out there filming booty*.

*Possibly under murky circumstances we probably shouldn't discuss

CoTex · Tuesday at 07:26 PM

49 minutes ago, sidis said:

See my edit that you left out of your quote to acknowledge that utterly dumbass point regarding your “honest question.”

Recap.

You started by responding to my post and said "we won 6-3 when Beck was playing..." which was wrong.
I posted a clever meme ... "not sure I agree with your police work."

You challenged that with another post which was wrong. Then, you edited it, because it was wrong.

And then you fire off with the "dumbass?"

To all of that noise I say:

Dahobbs · Tuesday at 07:30 PM

8 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

The list of QBs that won the Big 12 is much less esteemed and they did it with much less talent. Where are we going with this nonsense?

Hey man, how about not jumping in the middle of a conversation you ain't having if you're not going to bother paying attention? I'm simply responding to the idea that we could have replaced Quinn with any joe quarterback over the last 3 years and had the same success. It is a nonsense argument. Quinn has been a good QB for us.

Let's not tear down a guy that has won a lot of games for the burnt orange. He could be better. He isn't perfect. There are better QBs, especially based on his performance this year. But completely dismissing his accomplishments and pretending we would be better off with anyone else is fucking stupid. We've seen where "anyone else" gets us over the last decade.

Edited Tuesday at 07:32 PM by Dahobbs

HtownHorn · Tuesday at 07:32 PM

1 hour ago, sidis said:

Huh? You compared Quinn’s qbr and Beck’s qbr and said we lost despite better qb play from quinn compared to beck. The last play of the game for Beck was the last play of the first half. When he went out of the game, Texas was winning 6-3. Not sure what you’re confused by.

I guess you could argue the overtime handoff but, I mean…

So Beck missed half the game and was involved in the same amount of TDs as Ewers who played the entire game.

tbone_ · Tuesday at 07:34 PM

I've decided to extend this rating system into the playoff.
Here's what Quinn has done so far since I started this highly scientific rating system:
1. Texas 49-17 vs. Florida. Score = 100.0
2. Texas 20-10 vs. Arkansas Score = 72.0
3. Texas 31-14 vs. Kentucky Score = 77.6
4. Texas 17-7 vs. Aggy Score = 89.1
5. Georgia 22-19 vs. Texas Score = 70.6

Here is how the playoff games will factor into the rating going forward:

6. First Round Game vs. Clemson. Sum Ewers QBR +10 for a team win -10 for a team loss.
7. Quarterfinal Game vs. Arizona State. Sum Ewers QBR +20 for a team win -10 for a team loss.
8. Semifinal Game vs. Oregon, Ohio State or Tennessee. Sum Ewers QBR +30 for a team win -10 for a team loss.
9. Championship Game vs. Some Asshole. Sum Ewers QBR +60 for a team win -10 for a team loss.

Here is our scale again, unchanged:

0-65.0 : THE ULTIMATE PUSSY : Sorry Quinn, you are officially and forever a Huge Pussy
65-75 : PRETTY MUCH A PUSSY : Quinn, you had so much potential but you ended up playing like a Pussy for us. There might be hope for you in the future though.
75-85 : KIND OF A PUSSY : Quinn, we would have had a real shot this season if you didn't play like a pussy one too many times. Good luck in the NFL though bro.
85-95 : MOST LIKELY NOT A PUSSY : Quinn did enough to win, but could he have done more? (I admit if we end up here the argument will go on. I'll take my chances)
95-100 : DEFINITELY NOT A PUSSY : You can say what you want about Quinn Ewers, but he ain't no pussy.
100+ : DUDE IS A BOSS : It turns out you guys have just been haters the whole time. Potential Longhorn Legend.

Quinn is sitting not-so-pretty at an average of 81.9, which is KIND OF A PUSSY. Pretty much the worst he could end up after the playoffs is PRETTY MUCH A PUSSY, which would be a drop of one category.
He could easily get to MOST LIKELY NOT A PUSSY with a few wins and solid performances. To get to DEFINITELY NOT A PUSSY he would probably have to at least make the championship game and play well.
Crunching a few numbers DUDE IS A BOSS is pretty much only achievable if he wins the whole fucking thing and plays out of his mind the whole time.

If he wins the whole fucking thing I dgaf how he plays, he’ll forever be a BOSS!

C-Man · Tuesday at 07:43 PM

46 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

List of QBs that have beaten a Nick Saban Alabama team in Tuscaloosa since 2012:

Joe Burrow

Quinn Ewers

Chad Kelly

Johnny Manziel

That's the list.

List of Texas QBs that have won a Big 12 Title

Vince Young

Colt McCoy

Quinn Ewers

James Brown

I don't think it is evident at all that we could have done those things with "any number of different QBs". But if you actually mean a handful of the very best college football quarterbacks to play over the last 3 years, then sure, we could have done those things with them.

Our offense has regressed this year. Quinn has regressed this year. Part of that is personnel changes. Part of that is injury. Part of that failure to elevate play. Quinn has still been a very good quarterback for the horns overall and it is stupid to suggest that replacing him with just any other QB would have result with the same success.

Hard to quibble with Ewers' first two seasons where the only real knock on him was his propensity towards injury. I didn't like how we ended the final drive against Washington but hell, we got there and Ewers was a huge part of it. And he started this season well but (again) got hurt. He's been a shadow of himself since coming back. The 2024 version of Ewers, post-injury at least, is barely passable. Sure, we're winning games but that's mostly due to a historically good defense. We normally don't do dick in the second half. I firmly believe that Ewers is broken physically and is probably slightly skittish due to the multitude of injuries over his career and this year in particular.

Does this mean I want to see Arch in there instead? Maybe. Maybe not. Maybe go fuck yourself. I think he'd ultimately do better vs this version of Ewers, which is not anywhere close to the best Ewers has given us in his career. QE had pretty good numbers on the surface in the SEC title game but when we needed him to make a play the most, he wasn't able to do it. At a minimum, I'd like to see Arch get 10-12 meaningful snaps per game moving forward -- at least until Ewers is totally healthy (which I admit don't think will happen again this season).

UTEE97 · Tuesday at 07:53 PM

1 hour ago, Steamboat1874 said:

He has also, in the last two seasons, lead us to eleven win seasons, won a conference championship and played for another, and got us into the CFP.

I think you mean defense.

Dahobbs · Tuesday at 07:54 PM

10 minutes ago, C-Man said:

Hard to quibble with Ewers' first two seasons where the only real knock on him was his propensity towards injury. I didn't like how we ended the final drive against Washington but hell, we got there and Ewers was a huge part of it. And he started this season well but (again) got hurt. He's been a shadow of himself since coming back. The 2024 version of Ewers, post-injury at least, is barely passable. Sure, we're winning games but that's mostly due to a historically good defense. We normally don't do dick in the second half. I firmly believe that Ewers is broken physically and is probably slightly skittish due to the multitude of injuries over his career and this year in particular.

Does this mean I want to see Arch in there instead? Maybe. Maybe not. Maybe go fuck yourself. I think he'd ultimately do better vs this version of Ewers, which is not anywhere close to the best Ewers has given us in his career. QE had pretty good numbers on the surface in the SEC title game but when we needed him to make a play the most, he wasn't able to do it. At a minimum, I'd like to see Arch get 10-12 meaningful snaps per game moving forward -- at least until Ewers is totally healthy (which I admit don't think will happen again this season).

I agree with all this. And Arch should be our QB in the redzone if we aren't able to run the ball. Maybe he should be our redzone QB generally, but I think if we are running with success it isn't as necessary.

BabaYaga · Tuesday at 07:55 PM

54 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

List of QBs that have beaten a Nick Saban Alabama team in Tuscaloosa since 2012:

Joe Burrow

Quinn Ewers

Chad Kelly

Johnny Manziel

That's the list.

List of Texas QBs that have won a Big 12 Title

Vince Young

Colt McCoy

Quinn Ewers

James Brown

I don't think it is evident at all that we could have done those things with "any number of different QBs". But if you actually mean a handful of the very best college football quarterbacks to play over the last 3 years, then sure, we could have done those things with them.

Our offense has regressed this year. Quinn has regressed this year. Part of that is personnel changes. Part of that is injury. Part of that failure to elevate play. Quinn has still been a very good quarterback for the horns overall and it is stupid to suggest that replacing him with just any other QB would have result with the same success.

Last year's team and this, with Sam Ehlinger, you can make the argument is looking for back-to-back MNC's. QE is a good, but not great college QB. He struggles massively with making quick reads, recognizing defensive coverages, and staying healthy. He's not willing any team to victory. He's good enough to maintain success, but with the weapons around him, he's woefully inadequate. Hell, I'd argue a healthy David Ash on this team performs better than a healthy QE.

Dahobbs · Tuesday at 07:55 PM

2 minutes ago, UTEE97 said:

I think you mean defense.

The defense did not lead us last year. It lost us both OU and Washington. Our pass defense was pretty bad.

Dahobbs · Tuesday at 07:57 PM

1 minute ago, BabaYaga said:

Last year's team and this, with Sam Ehlinger, you can make the argument is looking for back-to-back MNC's. QE is a good, but not great college QB. He struggles massively with making quick reads, recognizing defensive coverages, and staying healthy. He's not willing any team to victory. He's good enough to maintain success, but with the weapons around him, he's woefully inadequate. Hell, I'd argue a healthy David Ash on this team performs better than a healthy QE.

Sam would be an upgrade this year, at least post injury. I don't know about last year. Quinn played pretty fucking well. But that's sort of my point, Sam isn't just a joe schmoe QB. He was, particularly for our offense, a very good college QB.

Frank Drebin · Tuesday at 08:02 PM

I thought Ewers was trending up this year and then he got hurt. He has been replacement level since his injury. We would very likely score more points rolling with Arch.

UTEE97 · Tuesday at 08:03 PM

2 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

The defense did not lead us last year. It lost us both OU and Washington. Our pass defense was pretty bad.

Last year the defense was meh but they made the stop at the end leaving it up to Quinn and the offense to win it. This year, we don’t win as many games without the defense. We haven't scored too many points in the second half, so the defense had to clamp down hard for us to have the record that we have now. Our second half offensive malaise needs to be figured out. We can't seem to recover from any adversity in the second half.

BabaYaga · Tuesday at 08:05 PM

5 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

Sam would be an upgrade this year, at least post injury. I don't know about last year. Quinn played pretty fucking well. But that's sort of my point, Sam isn't just a joe schmoe QB. He was, particularly for our offense, a very good college QB.

QE had some good games, but also shit the bed games as well. He's frustratingly easy (apparently) to confuse when his running game is contained. As mobile as he seems to be, he also seems incapable of moving around in the pocket to extend plays, especially stepping up and into the pocket. He flushes, often back and to the right and he's no danger to run anymore like he used to be.

Steamboat1874 · Tuesday at 08:06 PM

12 minutes ago, UTEE97 said:

I think you mean defense.

So all of those wins are because of the defense and any loss is on Quinn?

BabaYaga · Tuesday at 08:07 PM

2 minutes ago, UTEE97 said:

Our second half offensive malaise needs to be figured out. We can't seem to recover from any adversity in the second half.

THIS is what I'm pulling my hair out about - teams are keying on the run, disguising their coverages, and our O-coordinators and QB seem incapable of attacking them and picking them apart. The sole TD Saturday was a great individual play and a broken tackle.

UTEE97 · Tuesday at 08:08 PM

Just now, Steamboat1874 said:

So all of those wins are because of the defense and any loss is on Quinn?

No, defense stands out the most. Everybody else played their roles. Defense has exceeded expectations, which led to better than expected results. Not hard to understand unless you're a Quinn Homer. I put our team first before an individual player.

Valmy77 · Tuesday at 08:09 PM

14 minutes ago, UTEE97 said:

I think you mean defense.

Defense wasn't that great last year.

Codaxx · Tuesday at 08:13 PM

3 minutes ago, Valmy77 said:

Defense wasn't that great last year.

Texas defense has been top 10 in FEI for 3 straight years. Offense has never finished higher than 17 over that period.

Dahobbs · Tuesday at 08:14 PM

12 minutes ago, UTEE97 said:

Last year the defense was meh but they made the stop at the end leaving it up to Quinn and the offense to win it. This year, we don’t win as many games without the defense. We haven't scored too many points in the second half, so the defense had to clamp down hard for us to have the record that we have now. Our second half offensive malaise needs to be figured out. We can't seem to recover from any adversity in the second half.

I missed the stop at the end against OU. I wish it had happened.

BurntOrange&White · Tuesday at 08:16 PM

22 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

I agree with all this. And Arch should be our QB in the redzone if we aren't able to run the ball. Maybe he should be our redzone QB generally, but I think if we are running with success it isn't as necessary.

When you make this statement about your starting QB like the bolded, it just goes to show how fucking bad he has played.

I also think at this point we need to quit trying to make the pre and post injury a debate because it's been roughly 9 weeks including a bye that he's been like this. It is who he is at this point of the season.

Edited Tuesday at 08:17 PM by BurntOrange&White

Longhornlove · Tuesday at 08:18 PM

3 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

Texas defense has been top 10 in FEI for 3 straight years. Offense has never finished higher than 17 over that period.

I don't care what FEI was last year, that pass defense was fucking horrid.

Valmy77 · Tuesday at 08:21 PM

5 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

Texas defense has been top 10 in FEI for 3 straight years. Offense has never finished higher than 17 over that period.

Well we were 116th in passing yards allowed per game. So that wasn't great.

BurntOrange&White · Tuesday at 08:21 PM

2 minutes ago, Longhornlove said:

I don't care what Quinn's stats are this year, he's been fucking horrid.

Dahobbs · Tuesday at 08:21 PM

7 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

When you make this statement about your starting QB like the bolded, it just goes to show how fucking bad he has played.

I think our offense is bad in the redzone. I don't think it is all Quinn. Sark's schemes just don't work as well in a compressed field. We rely on explosives and when you're within the 20, you don't have room for those explosives. A running QB may open things up that Sark isn't able to do with our current team. I think 90% of our redzone problems are a lack of any real power rushing attack. If we had absolutely exceptional QB play, we could get around it. But that doesn't mean our inability to score is because of the QB.

Edited Tuesday at 08:23 PM by Dahobbs

westexhorn · Tuesday at 08:22 PM

Last year run D was elite, pass rush was okay, and pass defense was bad.

This year run D is good, pass rush is good and pass defense is good

t_eight · Tuesday at 08:22 PM

I'm sure Sark, if he is being honest, knows that QE has regressed...injury or otherwise. Not having Baxter certainly limits our running against a team like Georgia.

Because our defense is elite, Sark trusts QE to manage the game and minimize turnovers. We have been playing not to lose since QE came back - our defense gives us that chance against most opponents not named Georgia.

And as bad a the SEC CCG was, was still had a chance to win it.

Manning, in his time starting this year made some bonehead plays and some sensational plays.

Yes, we would have loved to see more Manning packages inside the 25 before we got to OT, but there weren't that many true inside-the-25 opportunities and think Sark doesn't trust Manning in a big game situation to be slinging too many balls beyond RPO.

Guessing we will see a number of packages for Manning in the red-zone when the opportunity presents itself.

Hank_Hill · Tuesday at 08:23 PM

4 hours ago, HtownHorn said:

Or maybe the guy that ran ESPN's recruiting ranking for nearly a decade and has been in this industry for over 20 years understands the game better than you.

People here don’t seem to care about Sarks opinion and he knows miles more than Gerry ever will. So, fuck Gerry I know better.

BurntOrange&White · Tuesday at 08:27 PM

3 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

I think our offense is bad in the redzone. I don't think it is all Quinn. Sark's schemes just don't work as well in a compressed field. We rely on explosives and when you're within the 20, you don't have room for those explosives. A running QB may open things up that Sark isn't able to do with our current team. I think 90% of our redzone problems are a lack of any real power rushing attack. If we had absolutely exceptional QB play, we could get around it. But that doesn't mean our inability to score is because of the QB.

Multiple years, with multiple different players including first two RB's taken in the last two NFL drafts, a 1st round WR, another 6'4 receiver, etc.....one constant. 🤷‍♂️

Thatguy · Tuesday at 08:29 PM

4 hours ago, HtownHorn said:

Or maybe the guy that ran ESPN's recruiting ranking for nearly a decade and has been in this industry for over 20 years understands the game better than you.

Yeah man. I can tell you for sure that you don't know what you are talking about on this one.

Codaxx · Tuesday at 08:35 PM

16 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

I think our offense is bad in the redzone. I don't think it is all Quinn. Sark's schemes just don't work as well in a compressed field. We rely on explosives and when you're within the 20, you don't have room for those explosives. A running QB may open things up that Sark isn't able to do with our current team. I think 90% of our redzone problems are a lack of any real power rushing attack. If we had absolutely exceptional QB play, we could get around it. But that doesn't mean our inability to score is because of the QB.

Coach brought up the reads in the red zone. Mentioned the Wingo throw into double coverage in the endzone on the last drive regulation. Trips on the right and Wingo solo on the left. Cb and Safety over Wingo. We worked to the side where Georgia has a 2 on 1 advantage. Should be working the trip side. Golden comes open on the crosser. Then brought up Blue being wide open on the incompletion to Moore in the endzone on the angle route. That one seems a bit questionable as Moore was open and in single coverage

Edited Tuesday at 08:39 PM by Codaxx

Dahobbs · Tuesday at 08:39 PM

1 minute ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Multiple years, with multiple different players including first two RB's taken in the last two NFL drafts, a 1st round WR, another 6'4 receiver, etc.....one constant. 🤷‍♂️

The constant is Sark my man. And while we have had good running backs, our running scheme isn't and hasn't been about bully ball. The stuff Sark does just doesn't work as well in the redzone. His 2020 Alabama offense could turn to bully ball when it needed to. We haven't been able to. Our line just hasn't been good at that.

I don't understand your insistence that everything be on our QB. It is perplexing. But I also know you're just trolling and for whatever reason get a kick out of trolling our own fans. It is sad and pathetic, but you do you.

Thatguy · Tuesday at 08:41 PM

2 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

Coach brought up the reads in the red zone. Mentioned the Wingo throw into double coverage in the endzone on the last drive regulation. Trips on the right and Wingo solo on the left. Cb and Safety over Wingo. We worked to the side where Georgia has a 2 on 1 advantage. Should be working the trip side. Golden comes open on the crosser.

We hit Golden in the ez and the ball went right through his hands. We got an RB out in space 1v1 against a safety and he made zero effort to shake him. Then the penalties. Quinn missed some plays but made some plays that should've worked out. When you throw a ball the guy on the other end has a play to make too.

Longhornlove · Tuesday at 08:41 PM

3 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

Coach brought up the reads in the red zone. Mentioned the Wingo throw into double coverage in the endzone on the last drive regulation. Trips on the right and Wingo solo on the left. Cb and Safety over Wingo. We worked to the side where Georgia has a 2 on 1 advantage. Should be working the trip side. Golden comes open on the crosser.

The kicker missed 2 makable kicks and receivers dropped was it one or two touchdowns? What is your point? People decide to pick one particular play to "prove" a point. It's nonsense.

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