QB1 Quinn "La Joya" Ewers - The Man The Myth The Mullet

[Dahobbs 18172]

3 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

I cannot recall any game where the Longhorns were behind and Quinn Ewers did anything clutch to win it.

OU last year? You could probably also count Alabama last year (down entering 4th). Iowa State td to go ahead late in 2022? 

We just haven't been behind a lot. 

[Dahobbs 18172]

58 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

Pass was slightly off to the inside and touch under thrown (obviously looking with a critical eye). My general view was it was good offense vs good coverage. Defender didn’t hit the ball, but he had his arm between Golden’s arms and body. Not sure he doesn’t make a play to break it up, if Golden grabs it. I get people calling it a drop, but it is on that line to me. More a contested catch situation that could go either way. I can’t remember another throw that you would consider a drop for Golden 

Yeah, that isn't a drop. It is a failure to capitalize on an opportunity and make a play. But it isn't a drop. 

[chainsaw 10232]

2 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

OU last year? You could probably also count Alabama last year (down entering 4th). Iowa State td to go ahead late in 2022? 

We just haven't been behind a lot. 

OU last year is actually a good example of the point I was making. Thanks

[Red Five 41586]

6 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

OU last year? You could probably also count Alabama last year (down entering 4th). Iowa State td to go ahead late in 2022? 

We just haven't been behind a lot. 

Don't quote me on this, but I think the stat I saw was that Ewers is 1-5 when either tied or trailing at halftime. 

[Dahobbs 18172]

16 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

OU last year is actually a good example of the point I was making. Thanks

Really unfortunate our defense couldn't hold up for 1:17 to win the game. In some ways, Sark teams have felt like a mirror universe of Mack's teams. We win games by a couple scores and generally lead the whole time and dont get blown out. But we rarely seem clutch in the truly close games. Mack would get blown out by OU, but his teams were fucking clutch in tight games. 

Be interesting to see if this changes post Quinn. 

Edited Saturday at 05:42 PM by Dahobbs

[Hank Kingsley 21587]

This offense not being in rhythm has just become the norm at this point. 

Everyone points to the Florida game as an example where our offense and Quinn looked great, but go watch that game again. The results/stats are awesome, but it was all just kinda ugly.  Quinn throws a good deep ball to Moore, dropped. Same series, Quinn misses an open Moore for a big gain. Later Moore dropped another great deep ball for a TD.  We can't convert the easy stuff, but make big plays on short  passes that broke free for huge gains. It helped that UF overall really seemed to lay down that day. 

Quinn racked up a lot of yards and we were up 49-0 early 3rd quarter. But the offense still looked disjointed.

 

 

 

[Had Enough 2107]

1 hour ago, Codaxx said:

Pass was slightly off to the inside and touch under thrown (obviously looking with a critical eye). My general view was it was good offense vs good coverage. Defender didn’t hit the ball, but he had his arm between Golden’s arms and body. Not sure he doesn’t make a play to break it up, if Golden grabs it. I get people calling it a drop, but it is on that line to me. More a contested catch situation that could go either way. I can’t remember another throw that you would consider a drop for Golden 

Agree.

Just watched it again.  Also that other drop may have been the early tip.  That’s inconsequential.

[Thatguy 9264]

2 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

This offense not being in rhythm has just become the norm at this point. 

Everyone points to the Florida game as an example where our offense and Quinn looked great, but go watch that game again. The results/stats are awesome, but it was all just kinda ugly.  Quinn throws a good deep ball to Moore, dropped. Same series, Quinn misses an open Moore for a big gain. Later Moore dropped another great deep ball for a TD.  We can't convert the easy stuff, but make big plays on short  passes that broke free for huge gains. It helped that UF overall really seemed to lay down that day. 

Quinn racked up a lot of yards and we were up 49-0 early 3rd quarter. But the offense still looked disjointed.

 

 

 

And that's why I said what I said. Moore drops a lot of balls and doesn't run crisp routes. You can see why he hasn't been on the field up until now. He has all the physical tools though. Just a lot of mental lapses. When you combine that with how Bond looks right now you can see how I said we aren't that great on offense right now. We have a single receiver we can depend on, a solid TE, and RBs who cannot make their own hay.

[Codaxx 6189]

2 minutes ago, Had Enough said:

Agree.

Just watched it again.  Also that other drop may have been the early tip.  That’s inconsequential.

If they call a tipped pass a drop, that is really harsh..

[Hank Kingsley 21587]

Just now, Thatguy said:

And that's why I said what I said. Moore drops a lot of balls and doesn't run crisp routes. You can see why he hasn't been on the field up until now. He has all the physical tools though. Just a lot of mental lapses. When you combine that with how Bond looks right now you can see how I said we aren't that great on offense right now. We have a single receiver we can depend on, a solid TE, and RBs who cannot make their own hay.

Moore had 9/114 and our only TD vs. Georgia. 

 

 

[BurntOrange&White 41575]

4 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

And that's why I said what I said. Moore drops a lot of balls and doesn't run crisp routes. You can see why he hasn't been on the field up until now. He has all the physical tools though. Just a lot of mental lapses. When you combine that with how Bond looks right now you can see how I said we aren't that great on offense right now. We have a single receiver we can depend on, a solid TE, and RBs who cannot make their own hay.

So Quinn should step up even more and try to make better throws and better plays if all this is the case.

[Codaxx 6189]

10 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

And that's why I said what I said. Moore drops a lot of balls and doesn't run crisp routes. You can see why he hasn't been on the field up until now. He has all the physical tools though. Just a lot of mental lapses. When you combine that with how Bond looks right now you can see how I said we aren't that great on offense right now. We have a single receiver we can depend on, a solid TE, and RBs who cannot make their own hay.

Moore has been the starter since the opening game. He had been very good catching the ball, until Florida game. He had a bad drop in the Georgia game. Probably one of the few that ended a drive or wasn’t overcome. He also made a great move to break a short throw for a TD in this game. I have not heard anyone claim he is a bad route runner or seen anything from him to believe that,  outside the amazingly tired debate over the missed opportunity in the Redzone vs Georgia here. 

Edited Saturday at 06:00 PM by Codaxx

[Had Enough 2107]

12 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

Really unfortunate our defense couldn't hold up for 1:17 to win the game. In some ways, Sark teams have felt like a mirror universe of Mack's teams. We win games by a couple scores and generally lead the whole time and dont get blown out. But we rarely seem clutch in the truly close games. Mack would get blown out by OU, but his teams were fucking clutch in tight games. 

Be interesting to see if this changes post Quinn. 

We were 1 first down from finishing that OU game.  The offense didn’t completely finish it.

Same with Bama and Card.  One more first down and we likely win.  Assuming the FG is good.

Fast forward to KState with Murphy.  Similar.  We get down and settle for a FG.  There was more time left here, but it was 4Q.

[Thatguy 9264]

1 minute ago, BurntOrange&White said:

So Quinn should step up even more and try to make better throws and better plays if all this is the case.

 

1 minute ago, Codaxx said:

Moore has been the starter since the opening game. He had been very good catching the ball, until Florida game. He had a bad drop in the Georgia game. Probably one of the few that ended a drive or wasn’t overcome 

Everyone has to make the plays that are there to make. However here on the Surl when a receiver doesn't make a play we talk about the QB. Arch throws a slot fade to the inside and Cook has to make a play to go get it. "Woohoo. Look at that ball Arch threw!" Quinn throws a ball inside that goes straight through Golden's hands. "Quinn needs to throw that ball a foot right and two feet deeper. Quinn throws two perfect balls up the sideline to Golden=crickets. Y'all are some weirdos.

[Had Enough 2107]

8 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

If they call a tipped pass a drop, that is really harsh..

There could be another but like you said I don’t remember it.  He clearly had it in his hands on it and it went to replay before being called incomplete.

[Thatguy 9264]

3 minutes ago, Had Enough said:

We were 1 first down from finishing that OU game.  The offense didn’t completely finish it.

Same with Bama and Card.  One more first down and we likely win.  Assuming the FG is good.

Fast forward to KState with Murphy.  Similar.  We get down and settle for a FG.  There was more time left here, but it was 4Q.

Or. Now here me out. Don't let the opposing offense drive the entire field in a minute and score a TD.

[closetohumping 17770]

3 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Or. Now here me out. Don't let the opposing offense drive the entire field in a minute and score a TD.

I think the defense has earned a few mulligans the last couple of years.  

Edited Saturday at 06:06 PM by closetohumping

[Had Enough 2107]

3 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Or. Now here me out. Don't let the opposing offense drive the entire field in a minute and score a TD.

And at what point did I say they should have allowed the opponent to score?

[Thatguy 9264]

1 minute ago, closetohumping said:

I think the defense has earned a few mulligans the last couple of years.  

We ARE talking about last year. Specifically the OU game and the last minute of it. Last year we couldn't win on the edge and it caught up to us vs OU and Washington. This year the two games we lost we couldn't run the football.

[Codaxx 6189]

2 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

We ARE talking about last year. Specifically the OU game and the last minute of it. Last year we couldn't win on the edge and it caught up to us vs OU and Washington. This year the two games we lost we couldn't run the football.

Come on. Lots of things went wrong vs OU last year. You can start with turnovers and pass defense. You one of the least impartial people on here, when it comes to responsibility for losses. 
 

You- MSNBC

BO&W- Fox News 

Edited Saturday at 06:14 PM by Codaxx

[Had Enough 2107]

5 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

Come on. Lots of things went wrong vs OU last year. You can start with turnovers and pass defense. You one of the least impartial people on here, when it comes to responsibility for losses 

We didn’t have substantial pressure either.  The big 28 yarder on the final OU drive was in part due to losing pass rush integrity.  It’s pretty much always a lot of things.

[chainsaw 10232]

I'm not saying Quinn is the ONLY reason for getting beat by Dillon Gabriel in 2023.

I am saying he can't be counted on to lead the team to a come from behind win. Sugar Bowl out front should have told ya.

(Yes, I know we was one play away from advancing. Moral victories are for aggy and they're not our standard)

[Tex Long 4605]

8 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

Come on. Lots of things went wrong vs OU last year. You can start with turnovers and pass defense. You one of the least impartial people on here, when it comes to responsibility for losses. 

The thing is, with 77 seconds left, and no time-outs, OU went 75 yards in what, five? plays and scored to win. I wouldn't say that the D lost that game, but they coulda won it and didn't. Overall, a team and coaching effort with plenty of blame to go around, not on any specific player or coach.

[Codaxx 6189]

13 minutes ago, Had Enough said:

We didn’t have substantial pressure either.  The big 28 yarder on the final OU drive was in part due to losing pass rush integrity.  It’s pretty much always a lot of things.

If I recall there were 2-3 busted coverages on that series alone, including the final TD.. 

this what fans do, they place blame most based on the the last 5 minutes of the game and forget the 100+ plays prior that could have changed the results 

 

[Codaxx 6189]

25 minutes ago, Had Enough said:

We didn’t have substantial pressure either.  The big 28 yarder on the final OU drive was in part due to losing pass rush integrity.  It’s pretty much always a lot of things.

I would bet the pressure numbers were solid, but typical for last year didn’t finish. I know pass rushing lane integrity was a massive issue. Red Zone obviously another one. Like most games you can probably look at 3-4 factors that could have changed the results 

[Dahobbs 18172]

24 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

I'm not saying Quinn is the ONLY reason for getting beat by Dillon Gabriel in 2023.

I am saying he can't be counted on to lead the team to a come from behind win. Sugar Bowl out front should have told ya.

(Yes, I know we was one play away from advancing. Moral victories are for aggy and they're not our standard)

But he did against OU. Defense let us down there. 

[BurntOrange&White 41575]

Just now, Codaxx said:

I would bet the pressure numbers were solid, but typical for last year didn’t finish. I know pass rushing lane integrity was a massive issue. Red Zone obviously another one. Like most games you can probably look at 3-4 factors that could have changed the results 

IDK if I trust PFF for pressures/pressure rate. 

[Hank_Hill 19692]

1 hour ago, chainsaw said:

I cannot recall any game where the Longhorns were behind and Quinn Ewers did anything clutch to win it.

We’ve barely been behind this year outside of Georgia. 

[chainsaw 10232]

3 minutes ago, Hank_Hill said:

We’ve barely been behind this year outside of Georgia. 

Our SEC schedule Didn't Mean More though

[chainsaw 10232]

5 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

he did

We lost. And he knew our secondary was weak that year. Yes, he took a late game lead, but he also left too much time on the clock.

[Codaxx 6189]

7 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

IDK if I trust PFF for pressures/pressure rate. 

Agree, but Gabriel taking off was arguably the biggest issue for the defense in that game 

[Dahobbs 18172]

4 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

We lost. And he knew our secondary was weak that year. Yes, he took a late game lead, but he also left too much time on the clock.

I mean, come on. Defense holds for barely over a minute, and that is easily a game Quinn made clutch plays to bring us back and win. This ridiculousness of ignoring all the good play Quinn gives us has to stop. A QB can't win a game by himself. Someone else has to step up. Quinn was the best part of our offense against Georgia and y'all are doing nothing but rag on him and excusing the rest of the team. Our failures in close games are a team effort. 

Edited Saturday at 07:00 PM by Dahobbs

[Jkwellborn 7001]

Really unfortunate our defense couldn't hold up for 1:17 to win the game. In some ways, Sark teams have felt like a mirror universe of Mack's teams. We win games by a couple scores and generally lead the whole time and dont get blown out. But we rarely seem clutch in the truly close games. Mack would get blown out by OU, but his teams were fucking clutch in tight games. 
Be interesting to see if this changes post Quinn. 

Mack generally had way more talent than anyone other than Ou.

[Dahobbs 18172]

2 minutes ago, Jkwellborn said:

Mack generally had way more talent than anyone other than Ou.

Maybe. But so do we now. Clutchness is a thing. And Mack's teams had a knack for it. 

[jimmyjazz 46941]

53 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

Come on. Lots of things went wrong vs OU last year.

Uhhh . . . lots of things went wrong against UGA (twice) this year?

[Dahobbs 18172]

2 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Uhhh . . . lots of things went wrong against UGA (twice) this year?

No no no. It was only Quinn. 

[Codaxx 6189]

6 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Uhhh . . . lots of things went wrong against UGA (twice) this year?

UHH, no shit. How many times did I say losing last weekend wasn’t the fault of a single player? 

[jimmyjazz 46941]

2 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

UHH, no shit. How many times did I say losing last weekend wasn’t the fault of a single player? 

I don't know.  I was keeping a spreadsheet but my stupid Windows 10 box crashed and I lost it.

[closetohumping 17770]

10 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

No no no. It was only Quinn. 

We let Quinn down.  He deserves better teammates 

[Dahobbs 18172]

Just now, closetohumping said:

We let Quinn down.  He deserves better teammates 

No. That's not the point either. 

[Funk Doctor Spock 13116]

On 12/13/2024 at 2:41 PM, High Plains Drifter said:

 

I don't think I would be as frustrated as I am if the hype surrounding him hadn't been as high as it was. 

 

Yeah, I personally hate the "rating system". Giving him a perfect 1.000 was crazy, especially after he had been injured since his soph/Jr year in HS. I don't think anyone should get a perfect rating, even Manning. Vince fif, too, but what it he didn't meet expectations? We would all be talking about the what if with him, just like we did Simms (whom I personally thought did fine). It puts too much pressure on these kids to succeed. 
 

Look how many stupid lists there are for guys who didn't pan out in college on YouTube. It's a stupid amount. "Guy was a top ten 5 star player who didn't live up to expectations". Yeah. OK. That shit happens. Stop making videos about it. There's hit or miss every year. 
 

It's not Quinn's fault they stupidly rated him. 

Hell, Trevor Lawrence wad rated a. 101, which I didn't know was possible until recently. 

Edited Saturday at 08:57 PM by Funk Doctor Spock

[jimmyjazz 46941]

I would venture a guess that the percentage of 5-stars that don't live up to the hype is roughly the same as for 4-stars and maybe even 3-stars.

[Jkwellborn 7001]

We lost. And he knew our secondary was weak that year. Yes, he took a late game lead, but he also left too much time on the clock.

You don’t wanna leave them any time, but damn, you gotta score.

[BurntOrange&White 41575]

42 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I would venture a guess that the percentage of 5-stars that don't live up to the hype is roughly the same as for 4-stars and maybe even 3-stars.

He’s not in typical 5 star category. He’s 1.000 5 star

[jimmyjazz 46941]

2 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

He’s not in typical 5 star category. He’s 1.000 5 star

. . . and as such I would not have any reason to believe he would fall short of his "rating" any more than other recruits would.  Put on your thinking cap and ruminate on this for a bit.

Edited Saturday at 08:37 PM by jimmyjazz

[BurntOrange&White 41575]

3 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

. . . and as such I would not have any reason to believe he would fall short of his "rating" any more than other recruits would.  Put on your thinking cap and ruminate on this for a bit.

I researched this before. All 1.000 5 star recruits were drafted, majority in the 1st round. That’s why I made the Brock Berlin comment. 
 

Quinn was the first 1.000 composite 5 star since 2016, there hasn’t been one since. 

[Funk Doctor Spock 13116]

Arch Manning is the last one so far on 247, which again, I hate that they rate anyone with a perfect score. Quinn is an example as to why. Yes, most (which are very, very few) have done really well, there's always going to be a Quinn. At some point they're going to miss, and they gave him that rating when be was a junior, and that's silly because the kid was injured and had to have hernia surgery. 

Sure, he could have come back and dominated, but he's 6'1 195,hardly someone I would rate a perfect score. He's not some freak athlete like Kyler Murray (who, imo, deserved one), but they ranked him based on his arm and nothing else. No other traits other than he throws a nice ball in 7v7. 
 

Hell, Trevor Lawrence was rated a .101, which I didn't even know existed until recently. 

Jadaveon owney was rated a 105

Edited Saturday at 09:03 PM by Funk Doctor Spock

[Had Enough 2107]

1 hour ago, Codaxx said:

I would bet the pressure numbers were solid, but typical for last year didn’t finish. I know pass rushing lane integrity was a massive issue. Red Zone obviously another one. Like most games you can probably look at 3-4 factors that could have changed the results 

22 pressures, 1 sack.  Unfortunately you can get a pressure and a completion.  The winning TD for example.

The drive was poor LB depth/squeeze the target.  Manny missed tackle the next play.  28 yarder was pass rush then discipline behind cause well he’s gonna run.  Not sure then the CB blitz TD.  Gbenda admitted his error but blitz cause lack of pressure.

Watts was out.  This was a big deal.  OU was his kind of team.  Manny/Holmes both had big missed tackles.  Ford probably hurt.  Turnovers.  Brooks hitting wrong hole on goalline.

Yes, defense should hold.  But also offense 10 yards from leaving them no clock.

[Codaxx 6189]

14 minutes ago, Had Enough said:

22 pressures, 1 sack.  Unfortunately you can get a pressure and a completion.  The winning TD for example.

The drive was poor LB depth/squeeze the target.  Manny missed tackle the next play.  28 yarder was pass rush then discipline behind cause well he’s gonna run.  Not sure then the CB blitz TD.  Gbenda admitted his error but blitz cause lack of pressure.

Watts was out.  This was a big deal.  OU was his kind of team.  Manny/Holmes both had big missed tackles.  Ford probably hurt.  Turnovers.  Brooks hitting wrong hole on goalline.

Yes, defense should hold.  But also offense 10 yards from leaving them no clock.

I think I remember that blitz. Didn’t both the CB and DE blitz the same gap? So many mental errors in that game… Texas has not been great in critical moments on either side of the ball for quite some time. 

Edited Saturday at 09:10 PM by Codaxx

[Had Enough 2107]

2 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

I think I remember that blitz. Didn’t both the CB and DE blitz the same gap? So many mental errors in that game… Texas has not been great in critical moments on either side of the ball for quite some time. 

I believe you are correct.  Forgot about it until you mentioned it.  Think Burke and Brooks bumped into each other.

 It’s a bit ironic in this Ewers discussion regarding blame considering last year the secondary and particularly the safeties were crucified.