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12 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

not to mention Texas ran it with Bijan and that really fit him. You never knew where he would end up. Playside D gap or backside A gap. It will be interesting to see if Texas reverts to the IZ next year.

My understanding is that Sark prefers IZ as the better RPO setup.

I think he also prefers a bigger back, so....

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Quinn's Resume Pre Cotton Bowl

1 Big 12 Championship

1 Sec Championship Appearance (Bert owes him for this one)

Wins @ Michigan and Alabama 

27-8 Record

Top 3 in TDs and yards in Texas History

2 Top 4 finishes guaranteed

2-1 vs Oklahoma 

 

If Texas were to go runner runner and win a championship he would add the following. 

1 National Championship. The 5th QB is team history to achieve this

4 playoff wins. This will hopefully be passed by a future Texas QB

Wins against Alabama, Michigan, Ohio State, and Oklahoma with a chance of Notre Dame. Not sure how many if any QBs could claim wins over 5/8 of the blue bloods. 

 

Where would a championship put him? My gut would say a soft #2 but it would likely appreciate very well over the next decade. 

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28 minutes ago, Sir Ulrich said:

Where would a championship put him? My gut would say a soft #2 but it would likely appreciate very well over the next decade. 

Winning a championship makes Quinn #2 behind VY. Even if you think Colt was a better QB or Colt would have won in 2009 or would have had more chances to win with the CFP, Quinn has to be #2 with a championship. 

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3 minutes ago, MrBig said:

Winning a championship makes Quinn #2 behind VY. Even if you think Colt was a better QB or Colt would have won in 2009 or would have had more chances to win with the CFP, Quinn has to be #2 with a championship. 

Where is Street on the list?

 

 

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30 minutes ago, Sir Ulrich said:

Where would a championship put him? My gut would say a soft #2 but it would likely appreciate very well over the next decade. 

Quinn needs to play well above his norm the next two games to win a title.  But to engage in the hypothetical and the QB debate, I assume your #2 ranking bumps him in front of Colt, and behind Vince.  So between Colt and Quinn, it really depends on how much weight someone in this debate puts on a championship.

Even if Quinn plays like Superman over the next two games, it's going to be hard for me to put him in front of Colt.  Yes, Colt has no titles, and Quinn would have one.  But Colt's overall body of work as a QB is much better than Quinn's.  We won a lot of games because of Colt.  We also won a few games in spite of Quinn.    

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2 hours ago, Longhornlove said:

I'm dumbfounded, we've run the ball pretty well against everyone not named Georgia and WTF ASU? I'm really struggling to comprehend it. I get Georgia. Don't like it but I get it. ASU still baffles me. Hopefully they got that out of their system.

I chopped up quite a few running plays and it's pretty interesting what is going on when you go through them. We should probably not do it here though as this is the QE thread. Too much sense being made around here lately and not enough arguing.

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1 hour ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

𝐁𝐑𝐄𝐀𝐊𝐈𝐍𝐆 𝐑𝐔𝐌𝐎𝐑:
There has been "whispers" around the league that message board shitposter Bozo_Casanova would consider entering the NFL Draft if he was "certain" he would be a top 3 pick.

TBH I’d go if I was top 10

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54 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

Basically will Levi’s redux

Speaking of Will Levis, I have a hard time believing Quinn doesn’t get drafted in the first round when he did. Yes Levis has big arm, but Quinn is no slouch. Levis was 6’4” 229 at the combine. Quinn listed at 6’2” 210. So Levis does have him there. 
 

Levis career stats 

65% comp 5877yds 46TD 25INT

7.96 ypa 

his last season 

65% comp 2406yds 19TD 10INT

8.5 ypa

Quinn career stats

65% comp 8845yds 66TD 23INT

8.07 ypa

 

this season

66.5% comp 3189yds 29TD 11INT

7.85 ypa


I just don’t see how there aren’t some NFL coaches that see Quinn’s passing attributes and think they can polish up his decision making and his deep ball accuracy. 

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1 hour ago, South Austin said:

Quinn needs to play well above his norm the next two games to win a title.  But to engage in the hypothetical and the QB debate, I assume your #2 ranking bumps him in front of Colt, and behind Vince.  So between Colt and Quinn, it really depends on how much weight someone in this debate puts on a championship.

Even if Quinn plays like Superman over the next two games, it's going to be hard for me to put him in front of Colt.  Yes, Colt has no titles, and Quinn would have one.  But Colt's overall body of work as a QB is much better than Quinn's.  We won a lot of games because of Colt.  We also won a few games in spite of Quinn.    

Let me give you a little insight into why Quinn seems to eat against stronger opponents such as Michigan, Bama, etc. 

Most teams that play Texas say.. "Fuck this, we need to keep everything in front of us." So Quinn has played against the three high safety look the majority of his career in Austin. Certainly the B12, but teams did it a bunch against us this year as well. However, when you find teams that say "We are good enough to guard them, we will play them in single or two high looks", then Quinn suddenly goes off. He is hitting worthy for moonshots all day against Bama, he is torching Michigan's secondary, etc.  When Quinn wasn't running for his life against Georgia, he started putting together some nice downfield throws. He has been far more accurate the last three games down the field and outside of the numbers. Now he just needs to not float the ball and we could see a true offensive explosion. 

I predict that he is going to hit some big plays down the field versus tOSU. Knowles is one of the better 3 high defensive coordinators out there, but he doesn't run that concept all the time because they have the athletes to cover in man. Once they go man, I expect Quinn to carve them up. When they roll back into a 3 high look, I expect us to try and run the ball with the wide zone. If Quinn breaks 300 yards against tOSU, I think we win that game. 

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22 minutes ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

Street is most certainly above Sam...shit, not even close.  And I'd have him above Quinn, too.  Subject to change if we win the whole fucking thing this year. 

Great. I don't and I'm ok with that. I don't think you are stupid, retarded or anything else. You do you. You apparenly place the wins over everything else. Wins are important, but the QB typically isn't as responsible for the wins as much as they are judged by them, especially in that era  prior to scholarship limits in football and prolific passing attacks.

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1 hour ago, Longhornlove said:

Sounds like a defensive struggle. I understand your point. It is still near impossible to compare the eras. Street was 6 of 10  for 124 yards and 2 INTs.

Game on the line, 4th & 3, hits his man in stride for a 44 yard completion in tight coverage. The fact they threw the ball less back then makes that play all the more impressive. Video linked to start at the game winning throw.

 

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6 minutes ago, Longhornlove said:

Great. I don't and I'm ok with that. I don't think you are stupid, retarded or anything else. You do you. You apparenly place the wins over everything else. Wins are important, but the QB typically isn't as responsible for the wins as much as they are judged by them, especially in that era  prior to scholarship limits in football and prolific passing attacks.

But Street is quite literally responsible for the win that got us a national title. That game is essentially Texas/USC Vince 4th and 5.....Obviously 4th and 5 is the best play in program history. But prior to that Street/Peschel was that play. That play and Streets season/game had stood until VY as best in program history. You're brain is so rotted from statistics you can't even put Street, that game, his performance in context of the programs history. 

 

 

IMO if Arch wins a national player of the year and 16 gets retired, they should also honor Street within that number retirement.

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35 minutes ago, sith_horn said:

Game on the line, 4th & 3, hits his man in stride for a 44 yard completion in tight coverage. The fact they threw the ball less back then makes that play all the more impressive. Video linked to start at the game winning throw.

 

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1 minute ago, jimmyjazz said:

I don't know enough about adjusted QB passing rating to suss this out -- the left/right/center disparity on the deep throws is odd.  Any chance that could be related to a tendency for our best receivers to line up or run routes to the right?

Just spit balling but I bet it has to do with mechanics and throwing more all arm passes to the right with bad footwork because he's comfortable doing that and the same deep down the middle. When he has to throw deep left he actually has to change his body to throw that way.

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Just now, BurntOrange&White said:

Just spit balling but I bet it has to do with mechanics and throwing more all arm passes to the right with bad footwork because he's comfortable doing that and the same deep down the middle. When he has to throw deep left he actually has to change his body to throw that way.

I deleted my post because I was looking at completion percentage not QBR.  That said, his completion percentage on deep throws to the right is higher (43% to 29%), even if the QBR is essentially identical, which is obviously a function of other inputs.

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3 hours ago, OnAComputer said:

Were you hoping for somebody else to over-analyze Quinn Ewers's performance this year? Well, happy birthday.

Here is a gigantic spreadsheet with Quinn Ewers's performance in 2023 and 2024. It is broken down further by:

  • coverages
  • drive progression
  • field position
  • game situation
  • pass rush
  • play characteristics
  • pressure status
  • QB movement
  • throw depth
  • throw direction

All of this is beyond the LOS because we all know that Quinn is fantastic on passes before the LOS.

On the topic of Quinn's deep ball. Criticism is warranted. Attached is a strike zone of Ewers's performance in 2024 beyond the LOS and another one of the top 20 QBs in college football.

As you can see, Quinn struggles a bit on balls to the right and mightily on deep balls over the middle. However, he makes up for that by being a top-5 QB in every other zone on the field in Adj Passer Rating and on SISData's IQR rating.

Still, something is definitely off vs. last year. What I have found through my research is not surprising: 2023 Quinn > 2024 Quinn.

2024 Quinn's aPR dropped by 20 and 50(!) pts on deep balls to the right and middle and declined by 25 and 30 points to the intermediate right and short.

What is the difference?

It may be because Ewers has found himself in off-schedule drives more often than not this year, at a rate of nearly 2.5:1 (375 on-schedule plays in 2023 vs 145 in 2024).

It may also be that teams have increased their usage of man and cover 3 against Ewers. Anecdotally, I have noticed Quinn is quick to make reads and that has hurt him when the defense has a shell over man.

However, my guess is injury. These large drop-offs mainly occurred around Quinn's injury and have been progressively improving since. My main reason behind this is a 50pt drop-off when pressured this season vs last (and this has been improving over the season). His lack of mobility due to the ankle injury has been a story-line for a reason and teams have been exploiting it. In fact last season he spent a greater portion of moving/shuffling (think the 2nd TD in the OT win vs Arizona State) vs planted as he has this season. His injuries have made him a statue encouraging teams to increase their usage of blitzes by ~40%.

Another notable difference between the years is while he is 20pts better in aPR in the 1st half, he is nearly 50-60pts worse in the 2nd half. This seems like more of a coaching/running game issue rather than a QB issue. I would keep an eye on this going forward in future seasons. Do our coaches not adjust well coming out of the half?

I think it is important to read Sam Khan's article here. Quinn has always been compared to what he is not vs what he is due to his recruiting rating.

While Quinn is not as good as last year and he is not the greatest of all time, he is still a top 5 QB in college football this year. That is with him battling two injuries that are affecting his play.

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We run that same right to left deep post that Quinn cannot hit on to save his life and it seems the stats reflect that. In contrast he is really good at throwing that sideline vertical. We've hit on that a bunch this year as well. This is pretty good considering we don't throw a bunch of deep comebacks like most teams do. He would look even better along the intermediate lines if we had those routes in our playbook. Sark doesn't really like to throw routes with no YAC ability.

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22 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

In ‘69? Not on the Texas football team, that’s for sure. They weren’t allowed.

Only because freshmen couldn't play at that time.  Julius Whittier played from 1970-1972, beginning in his sophomore year.

 

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20 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

In ‘69? Not on the Texas football team, that’s for sure. They weren’t allowed.

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I still can't fathom this.  I grew up in west Texas and remember the last football season at Odessa Ector.   They were loaded with talent that was unequally spread out to Permian and the broncos the next year.  lololol

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Columbus radio is playing Ewers’ comments from a recent press conference about his time in Columbus. He roomed with Jack Sawyer who was in his recruiting class. A bunch of those guys he came in with are veterans on the Buckeye team now. He said he’s looking forward to seeing them again. I’m sure that’s a complex dynamic because he’d like nothing more than to win the game on the field but but they’re also guys for whom he feels genuine affection who gave him nothing but support both when he was a teammate and when he chose to leave the team.

His story, with leaving high school early and making six figures in Columbus without ever contributing anything meaningful to the team’s success, only to leave the team who made him a millionaire in order to chase more money and immediate playing time in his home state, is unprecedented. And now he has a backup QB who a segment of the fanbase would rather see take his job away from him. There’s a ton of pressure, and opportunity, on the young man’s plate right now.

Obviously I’m hoping his reunion with his former roommate Captain Jack will turn out differently than you hope it does. Let’s just hope this new expanded playoff doesn’t result in any career-ending injuries to the players on these teams from whom we’re demanding more and more sacrifice in order to entertain us. 

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1 minute ago, WhatTheBuck said:

Columbus radio is playing Ewers’ comments from a recent press conference about his time in Columbus. He roomed with Jack Sawyer who was in his recruiting class. A bunch of those guys he came in with are veterans on the Buckeye team now. He said he’s looking forward to seeing them again. I’m sure that’s a complex dynamic because he’d like nothing more than to win the game on the field but but they’re also guys for whom he feels genuine affection who gave him nothing but support both when he was a teammate and when he chose to leave the team.

His story, with leaving high school early and making six figures in Columbus without ever contributing anything meaningful to the team’s success, only to leave the team who made him a millionaire in order to chase more money and immediate playing time in his home state, is unprecedented. And now he has a backup QB who a segment of the fanbase would rather see take his job away from him. There’s a ton of pressure, and opportunity, on the young man’s plate right now.

Obviously I’m hoping his reunion with his former roommate Captain Jack will turn out differently than you hope it does. Let’s just hope this new expanded playoff doesn’t result in any career-ending injuries to the players on these teams from whom we’re demanding more and more sacrifice in order to entertain us. 

did he leave on bad terms?   just a mutual agreement?   can't recall

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3 minutes ago, MontereyMX said:

did he leave on bad terms?   just a mutual agreement?   can't recall

No, not on bad terms at all. CJ Stroud had the job locked up for two years. No one in Columbus wanted Quinn to leave but everyone understood his decision. There were no hard feelings at all because NIL was new, Quinn’s situation was new, and no one had really seen him do anything on the field yet. Losing Joe Burrow had more of an impact but no one begrudged him his decision either and we celebrated his success. He just wasn’t going to supplant Haskins (RIP). It was what it was.

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