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7 minutes ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

Yes.  But a lot of those were Charlie apologists 

It wasn't just about Charlie brother. Some people were concerned with the lack of a resume. Dude literally stumbled into Greg Ward. The year before he arrived the previous coach started winning at the end of the season when he moved Ward from receiver to QB. Tom just walked right into that. No one knew if he could recruit, or how he would be without a do it all athlete at QB. Turns out those things were cause for concern.

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2 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

It wasn't just about Charlie brother. Some people were concerned with the lack of a resume. Dude literally stumbled into Greg Ward. The year before he arrived the previous coach started winning at the end of the season when he moved Ward from receiver to QB. Tom just walked right into that. No one knew if he could recruit, or how he would be without a do it all athlete at QB. Turns out those things were cause for concern.

Ed Oliver didn't hurt, either.

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10 minutes ago, Sgt Hulk said:

The thing I really loved about Quinn is that over 3 years his deep ball never improved ever he just said fuck it I’ll never normally throw it that far. Even with the combined fastest wide receivers.  Fuck em 

Maybe the receivers were too fast?   

6 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

It wasn't just about Charlie brother. Some people were concerned with the lack of a resume. Dude literally stumbled into Greg Ward. The year before he arrived the previous coach started winning at the end of the season when he moved Ward from receiver to QB. Tom just walked right into that. No one knew if he could recruit, or how he would be without a do it all athlete at QB. Turns out those things were cause for concern.

Where is Greg ward now?

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Just now, Im_smarter_then_you said:

Maybe the receivers were too fast?   

Where is Greg ward now?

Just because a QB didn't make it to the league doesn't mean he wasn't good in college. Greg Ward was like 5'10 180. He was never going to be an NFL guy. You might remember another QB that didn't work out in the NFL but was great in college. His name was Vincent Paul Young Jr.

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8 minutes ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

 

Where is Greg ward now?

Again, they went 6-2 down the stretch the previous year with Ward playing QB after starting the year 2-3. Ward was already winning at a high clip before Herman got there.

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5 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Just because a QB didn't make it to the league doesn't mean he wasn't good in college. Greg Ward was like 5'10 180. He was never going to be an NFL guy. You might remember another QB that didn't work out in the NFL but was great in college. His name was Vincent Paul Young Jr.

Yea Vince ruined himself.   You basically made the case for Tom to be honest.  He turned a small wide receiver into a qb.  He also won games with Clayton tune.  
 

Vince was fucked over by fisher, salon coaching.  But Vince also hurt himself

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11 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

You might remember another QB that didn't work out in the NFL but was great in college. His name was Vincent Paul Young Jr.

OK, that's a bit disingenous.  He was the NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year and a 2-time Pro Bowl selection.  Jeff Fisher did him no favors.

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5 minutes ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

Yea Vince ruined himself.   You basically made the case for Tom to be honest.  He turned a small wide receiver into a qb.  He also won games with Clayton tune.  
 

Vince was fucked over by fisher, salon coaching.  But Vince also hurt himself

If someone like Sean Payton had gotten ahold of VY I think his NFL career would've gone very differently. Instead he got stuck with a mediocre fucktard as his coach.

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Wishing Quinn the best. While he didn't live up to his potential as the #1 recruit in the nation for whatever reasons (injuries included), there is no question that he gave his all for Texas. Good luck in the NFL!

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1 minute ago, jimmyjazz said:

OK, that's a bit disingenous.  He was the NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year and a 2-time Pro Bowl selection.  Jeff Fisher did him no favors.

That was the point. The NFL doesn't believe in people for many dumb reasons that are out of control of the player and either never draft them or do them wrong when they do. Doesn't mean the player wasn't good.

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19 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

That was the point. The NFL doesn't believe in people for many dumb reasons that are out of control of the player and either never draft them or do them wrong when they do. Doesn't mean the player wasn't good.

You’re comparing Greg ward to Vince young.  

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OK, that is USDA Grade A Horse Shit.

Well, not in the sense most people think. Not for an entire game. There were plays and series where he did absolutely lead the team like you think. I just don’t think that’s him. That’s probably a lot less of a concern in the NfL because they’re supposed to be professionals.
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3 minutes ago, Jkwellborn said:


Well, not in the sense most people think. Not for an entire game. There were plays and series where he did absolutely lead the team like you think.

The claim was "never".  It's just a beating dealing with these binary black/white points of view when the real world is WAY more complicated than their brains can handle.

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8 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

The claim was "never".  It's just a beating dealing with these binary black/white points of view when the real world is WAY more complicated than their brains can handle.

lol yeah, you’re just a bastion of nuance and complexity, and definitely not a lizard brained, reactive, hypersensitive goober who loses his mind at every opposing pov he comes across. (hopefully you’re picking up on my sarcasm because i’m laying it on pretty thick).

it’s pretty hard to lead your team when you’re like the 16th best guy among the 22 starters, and even harder to lead the team when, as a qb, you have zero moxie, are afraid to get hit, and you miss more easy plays than you make something out of nothing. the all time greats- VY, Colt, Street- they were obvious leaders. but even guys like major applewhite, james brown, and sam ehlinger LED their teams- both on the field and off- more than QE ever did. it’s simply not who he is, in any way. so you can keep talking shit and being super emotional in every single post you make, but it won’t change reality. QE was never a guy to lead his team. he’s a lot more simms than applewhite.

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3 hours ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

You’re comparing Greg ward to Vince young.  

I'm saying that Houston already discovered Greg Ward, put him in play, and went 6 and 2 down the stretch before Tom Herman got there. The fact that you didn't know that is why you were so impressed with Tom Herman at UH. Herman had a good 1st year and then when teams had some tape on him the next year he came back to earth but you guys had already bought your tix to the shit show.

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40 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

I'm saying that Houston already discovered Greg Ward, put him in play, and went 6 and 2 down the stretch before Tom Herman got there. The fact that you didn't know that is why you were so impressed with Tom Herman at UH. Herman had a good 1st year and then when teams had some tape on him the next year he came back to earth but you guys had already bought your tix to the shit show.

So what’s Charlie’s excuse?

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8 hours ago, msucolt45 said:

This thread needs to be LOCKED and not accessible.

Hook’em!!!

first, please somebody summarize all the draft predictions everyone made in here and contrast it to the actual draft results?

that would be hilarious.  anybody can deploy AI to do it?

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14 hours ago, Bevo14 said:

If someone like Sean Payton had gotten ahold of VY I think his NFL career would've gone very differently. Instead he got stuck with a mediocre fucktard as his coach.

VY is with a handful of other QBs whose career might have been significantly different if they came along 10 years later. 

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25 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

VY is with a handful of other QBs whose career might have been significantly different if they came along 10 years later. 

The right place at the right time is quite significant.  For much of this Longhorn roster that is the case.  I’m not sure there’s ever been a time when competition has been higher or profiles have been elevated more at Texas than now.

And there are far more coaches that are able to bring you down than lift you to your maximum potential.

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10 hours ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

So what’s Charlie’s excuse?

I'm not 100% sure of your angle with this question, but I see tons of parallels between Strong and Herman. The biggest one being Teddy Bridgewater making it look like Charlie could coach.

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41 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

VY is with a handful of other QBs whose career might have been significantly different if they came along 10 years later. 

This, NFL then tried to force square pegs into round holes with QBs. There was no offensive creativity.

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