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7 minutes ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

Yes.  But a lot of those were Charlie apologists 

It wasn't just about Charlie brother. Some people were concerned with the lack of a resume. Dude literally stumbled into Greg Ward. The year before he arrived the previous coach started winning at the end of the season when he moved Ward from receiver to QB. Tom just walked right into that. No one knew if he could recruit, or how he would be without a do it all athlete at QB. Turns out those things were cause for concern.

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2 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

It wasn't just about Charlie brother. Some people were concerned with the lack of a resume. Dude literally stumbled into Greg Ward. The year before he arrived the previous coach started winning at the end of the season when he moved Ward from receiver to QB. Tom just walked right into that. No one knew if he could recruit, or how he would be without a do it all athlete at QB. Turns out those things were cause for concern.

Ed Oliver didn't hurt, either.

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10 minutes ago, Sgt Hulk said:

The thing I really loved about Quinn is that over 3 years his deep ball never improved ever he just said fuck it I’ll never normally throw it that far. Even with the combined fastest wide receivers.  Fuck em 

Maybe the receivers were too fast?   

6 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

It wasn't just about Charlie brother. Some people were concerned with the lack of a resume. Dude literally stumbled into Greg Ward. The year before he arrived the previous coach started winning at the end of the season when he moved Ward from receiver to QB. Tom just walked right into that. No one knew if he could recruit, or how he would be without a do it all athlete at QB. Turns out those things were cause for concern.

Where is Greg ward now?

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Just now, Im_smarter_then_you said:

Maybe the receivers were too fast?   

Where is Greg ward now?

Just because a QB didn't make it to the league doesn't mean he wasn't good in college. Greg Ward was like 5'10 180. He was never going to be an NFL guy. You might remember another QB that didn't work out in the NFL but was great in college. His name was Vincent Paul Young Jr.

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8 minutes ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

 

Where is Greg ward now?

Again, they went 6-2 down the stretch the previous year with Ward playing QB after starting the year 2-3. Ward was already winning at a high clip before Herman got there.

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5 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Just because a QB didn't make it to the league doesn't mean he wasn't good in college. Greg Ward was like 5'10 180. He was never going to be an NFL guy. You might remember another QB that didn't work out in the NFL but was great in college. His name was Vincent Paul Young Jr.

Yea Vince ruined himself.   You basically made the case for Tom to be honest.  He turned a small wide receiver into a qb.  He also won games with Clayton tune.  
 

Vince was fucked over by fisher, salon coaching.  But Vince also hurt himself

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11 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

You might remember another QB that didn't work out in the NFL but was great in college. His name was Vincent Paul Young Jr.

OK, that's a bit disingenous.  He was the NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year and a 2-time Pro Bowl selection.  Jeff Fisher did him no favors.

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5 minutes ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

Yea Vince ruined himself.   You basically made the case for Tom to be honest.  He turned a small wide receiver into a qb.  He also won games with Clayton tune.  
 

Vince was fucked over by fisher, salon coaching.  But Vince also hurt himself

If someone like Sean Payton had gotten ahold of VY I think his NFL career would've gone very differently. Instead he got stuck with a mediocre fucktard as his coach.

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Wishing Quinn the best. While he didn't live up to his potential as the #1 recruit in the nation for whatever reasons (injuries included), there is no question that he gave his all for Texas. Good luck in the NFL!

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1 minute ago, jimmyjazz said:

OK, that's a bit disingenous.  He was the NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year and a 2-time Pro Bowl selection.  Jeff Fisher did him no favors.

That was the point. The NFL doesn't believe in people for many dumb reasons that are out of control of the player and either never draft them or do them wrong when they do. Doesn't mean the player wasn't good.

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19 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

That was the point. The NFL doesn't believe in people for many dumb reasons that are out of control of the player and either never draft them or do them wrong when they do. Doesn't mean the player wasn't good.

You’re comparing Greg ward to Vince young.  

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OK, that is USDA Grade A Horse Shit.

Well, not in the sense most people think. Not for an entire game. There were plays and series where he did absolutely lead the team like you think. I just don’t think that’s him. That’s probably a lot less of a concern in the NfL because they’re supposed to be professionals.
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3 minutes ago, Jkwellborn said:


Well, not in the sense most people think. Not for an entire game. There were plays and series where he did absolutely lead the team like you think.

The claim was "never".  It's just a beating dealing with these binary black/white points of view when the real world is WAY more complicated than their brains can handle.

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8 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

The claim was "never".  It's just a beating dealing with these binary black/white points of view when the real world is WAY more complicated than their brains can handle.

lol yeah, you’re just a bastion of nuance and complexity, and definitely not a lizard brained, reactive, hypersensitive goober who loses his mind at every opposing pov he comes across. (hopefully you’re picking up on my sarcasm because i’m laying it on pretty thick).

it’s pretty hard to lead your team when you’re like the 16th best guy among the 22 starters, and even harder to lead the team when, as a qb, you have zero moxie, are afraid to get hit, and you miss more easy plays than you make something out of nothing. the all time greats- VY, Colt, Street- they were obvious leaders. but even guys like major applewhite, james brown, and sam ehlinger LED their teams- both on the field and off- more than QE ever did. it’s simply not who he is, in any way. so you can keep talking shit and being super emotional in every single post you make, but it won’t change reality. QE was never a guy to lead his team. he’s a lot more simms than applewhite.

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3 hours ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

You’re comparing Greg ward to Vince young.  

I'm saying that Houston already discovered Greg Ward, put him in play, and went 6 and 2 down the stretch before Tom Herman got there. The fact that you didn't know that is why you were so impressed with Tom Herman at UH. Herman had a good 1st year and then when teams had some tape on him the next year he came back to earth but you guys had already bought your tix to the shit show.

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40 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

I'm saying that Houston already discovered Greg Ward, put him in play, and went 6 and 2 down the stretch before Tom Herman got there. The fact that you didn't know that is why you were so impressed with Tom Herman at UH. Herman had a good 1st year and then when teams had some tape on him the next year he came back to earth but you guys had already bought your tix to the shit show.

So what’s Charlie’s excuse?

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8 hours ago, msucolt45 said:

This thread needs to be LOCKED and not accessible.

Hook’em!!!

first, please somebody summarize all the draft predictions everyone made in here and contrast it to the actual draft results?

that would be hilarious.  anybody can deploy AI to do it?

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14 hours ago, Bevo14 said:

If someone like Sean Payton had gotten ahold of VY I think his NFL career would've gone very differently. Instead he got stuck with a mediocre fucktard as his coach.

VY is with a handful of other QBs whose career might have been significantly different if they came along 10 years later. 

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25 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

VY is with a handful of other QBs whose career might have been significantly different if they came along 10 years later. 

The right place at the right time is quite significant.  For much of this Longhorn roster that is the case.  I’m not sure there’s ever been a time when competition has been higher or profiles have been elevated more at Texas than now.

And there are far more coaches that are able to bring you down than lift you to your maximum potential.

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10 hours ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

So what’s Charlie’s excuse?

I'm not 100% sure of your angle with this question, but I see tons of parallels between Strong and Herman. The biggest one being Teddy Bridgewater making it look like Charlie could coach.

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41 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

VY is with a handful of other QBs whose career might have been significantly different if they came along 10 years later. 

This, NFL then tried to force square pegs into round holes with QBs. There was no offensive creativity.

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12 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

This, NFL then tried to force square pegs into round holes with QBs. There was no offensive creativity.

Team dependent.  The Falcons let Michael Vick do what he did.  Then, he killed some dogs.

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1 minute ago, jimmyjazz said:

Team dependent.  The Falcons let Michael Vick do what he did.  Then, he killed some dogs.

He was still running pro style offense, they just let him use his legs when he wanted. They didn't design an offense or tailor an offense to his skills. 

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1 minute ago, BurntOrange&White said:

He was still running pro style offense, they just let him use his legs when he wanted. They didn't design an offense or tailor an offense to his skills. 

Well, the guy ran for 1000 yards one season.  That's a little more than "they just let him use his legs when he wanted".  It was a pretty profound shift in QB style of play.  (And VY wasn't Vick, to be sure.)

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16 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

OK, that's a bit disingenous.  He was the NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year and a 2-time Pro Bowl selection.  Jeff Fisher did him no favors.

Exactly. Perhaps VY didn't live up to some expectations as a #3 pick but that doesn't exactly equate to "didn't work out." He went 30-17 in 47 starts. 9000 yards passing, 1400 rushing. Accounted for 58 TDs.  Colt played for double the years but his stats are much lower. Who's to say who had a better NFL career. 

Obviously if the success bar is starting QB super bowl rings, HoF, most passing yards, etc., then few make it to that level.

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He was still running pro style offense, they just let him use his legs when he wanted. They didn't design an offense or tailor an offense to his skills. 

I don’t think they could have stopped him.
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So, Quinn at times was a very frustrating QB for Texas. He definitely didn’t live up to his recruiting ranking. However……

He’s currently projected to be the SEVENTH QB taken. This is stunning to me. I’ve flipped. I’m now declaring that Quinn will be the steal of the entire NFL draft. 

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11 hours ago, westexhorn said:

This thread may never die

The horse has been dead for years, but this beating of a thread will never die south park beat a dead horse GIF

3 hours ago, Dbeasy said:

So, Quinn at times was a very frustrating QB for Texas. He definitely didn’t live up to his recruiting ranking. However……

He’s currently projected to be the SEVENTH QB taken. This is stunning to me. I’ve flipped. I’m now declaring that Quinn will be the steal of the entire NFL draft. 

I’d pick him over Shadeur any day of the week 

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On 4/24/2025 at 6:34 PM, jimmyjazz said:

OK, that's a bit disingenous.  He was the NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year and a 2-time Pro Bowl selection.  Jeff Fisher did him no favors.

The bastard Jeff Fisher fucked VY over and its one of the most complete fuck overs ever.  Living in Nashville I saw it first hand.  Any thing that could make look VY good, Fisher did the opposite.  JF is a mother fucking piece of shit.  

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6 hours ago, Dbeasy said:

I’m now declaring that Quinn will be the steal of the entire NFL draft.

see y’all say stuff like this with a straight face and then act like the people who don’t think he’s going to make it are just fucking insane. there is nobody outside of the UT fanbase who is even half as optimistic about QE as y’all are. it’s 100% blind homerism. 

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i like how chris simms, vince young, colt mccoy, and sam ehlinger have had limited success in the nfl, but quinn fucking ewers, the guy who isn’t good at *anything*, is going to be “the steal of the draft.” you guys are absolutely nuts. completely blinded by the burnt orange, and, his HS rankings from when he was 16. it’s just crazy.

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i like how chris simms, vince young, colt mccoy l, and sam ehlinger have had limited success in the nfl, but quinn fucking ewers, the guy who isn’t good at *anything*, is going to be “the steal of the draft.” you guys are absolutely nuts. completely blinded by the burnt orange, and, his HS rankings from when he was 16. it’s just crazy.

One guy said it.  One.  Please list everyone who has said "Quinn Ewers will be the steal of the draft".  We'll wait.

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1 hour ago, perfectchaos007 said:

Damn. Hopefully better luck in day 3 for Quinn 🤞 

Add Shadeur Sanders too.  “Experts” had him possibly going #1 or in the top 10.  Didn’t really work out for him now did it.  

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1 minute ago, jimmyjazz said:

One guy said it.  One.  Please list everyone who has said "Quinn Ewers will be the steal of the draft".  We'll wait.

I’ll stand by it.  I mean I’m arguing with an unstable retard.

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11 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

One guy said it.  One.  Please list everyone who has said "Quinn Ewers will be the steal of the draft".  We'll wait.

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two people in quick succession. but don’t let that stop you from doing your whole “righteous indignation” thing that you do so well.

you know that moment where you go apoplectic at the very site of every post i make? you should take a five minute break after that from now on. save yourself from the incessant raging/being completely wrong on every subject due to your overly emotional state and blinding rage. woo sah.

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3 minutes ago, Derka said:

two people in quick succession. but don’t let that stop you from doing your whole “righteous indignation” thing that you do so well.

you know that moment where you go apoplectic at the very site of every post i make? you should take a five minute break after that from now on. save yourself from the incessant raging/being completely wrong on every subject due to your overly emotional state and blinding rage. woo sah.

You clearly have no concept of what "apoplectic" means.  Settle down, Nancy.  I'm sorry I missed one.  "Two guys".  Good enough?  Is that an indictment of all your virtual enemies you underdeveloped manchild?

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15 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

You clearly have no concept of what "apoplectic" means.  Settle down, Nancy.  I'm sorry I missed one.  "Two guys".  Good enough?  Is that an indictment of all your virtual enemies you underdeveloped manchild?

all you do is talk shit and whine. zero accountability, zero self awareness. no earnest desire for conversation or debate, just emotions and shit talk, all page every page. 

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Just now, Derka said:

all you do is talk shit and whine. zero accountability, zero self awareness.

I hope you get the help that you clearly need.  You have been on a manic bender for a couple of weeks now, and we all see it.  I feel badly that you suffer this way, but this is not the arena you should be playing in.

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