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1 minute ago, TexArcher said:

Really?  You don't remember that he used to be significantly better at the deep ball?  I believe that he's still in pain, and the more he has to wind up the more it hurts, and therefore the more it's in his head.  I could be wrong, but that would seem to fit.

I don't understand how anyone can say that they don't see a marked difference in Quinn from last season and the first three games of this season to Quinn in the last five games since he returned from injury.

Now, I was among those who said that if Quinn isn't 100%, then Sark is wrong for playing him over Arch.  But that's a separate conversation.  We *do* know that Quinn can play better than this, unequivocally, because he's done it before, and not for some small sample of games.

Defenses have made adjustments. Michigan played straight up Cover 3 the entire game with no disguises and Quinn picked them apart with short/intermediate throws. Throw that game out the window as that's not gonna happen again.

He played great vs. Alabama last year. Fact. Clearly, it was an outlier performance.

It's not physical with Quinn, it's all mental. Everything he does (outside of 1st read quick releases) is a tick too slow. And the deep ball bugaboo has started to infect the WRs (see Moore last week). In week 10 of his 3rd year as a starter, we cannot go downfield. It's ridiculous. Sark deserves his share of the blame as well. 

 

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16 minutes ago, OU Sucks said:

Now that your meth has worn off, you should look at a replay of that throw and see it was way too far inside and too low. Helm made a good effort just to get a hand on it. Ewers just needed to throw a catchable ball and instead gunned it way off target out of panic.

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It was low and outside, ensuring the only person that would get to is Helm, against the blitz. It his entire palm, not his finger tips. Very tough catch, but anyone with an online Master’s knows what catchable means, able to be caught.

 3 hour 54 minute 55 seconds. Watch at quarter speed. No deceptive screenshots needed.

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Just now, StassneyHorn said:

It was low and outside, ensuring the only person that would get to is Helm, against the blitz. It his entire palm, not his finger tips. Very tough catch, but anyone with an online Master’s knows what catchable means, able to be caught.

 3 hour 54 minute 55 seconds. Watch at quarter speed. No deceptive screenshots needed.

when done, apologize to me with my government name, Robert.

Why are you even arguing. That was a horrible throw. WTF are you looking at 

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2 minutes ago, StassneyHorn said:

It was low and outside, ensuring the only person that would get to is Helm, against the blitz. It his entire palm, not his finger tips. Very tough catch, but anyone with an online Master’s knows what catchable means, able to be caught.

 3 hour 54 minute 55 seconds. Watch at quarter speed. No deceptive screenshots needed.

when done, apologize to me with my government name, Robert.

You do realize you are the only fucking retard that acutally believes this was a catchable pass, even the Ewers believers don't agree with you.

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1 minute ago, HtownHorn said:

You do realize you are the only fucking retard that acutally believes this was a catchable pass, even the Ewers believers don't agree with you.

And that’s why you weren’t an 2x all district, 1st team all state OLineman. Greatness has higher standards.

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#1 We all know Ewers doesn’t throw a great deep ball

#2 Ewers can make the short and medium throws ( think he needs to put more on some and not throw lazy passes
#3 Ewers is no a great ath. Doesn’t do well escaping pressure and no QB run game. 
#4 Ewers knows the off and does a great job not throwing int’s. 

#5 IMO OL is built for inside zone running but backs don’t fit the scheme. IMO that is why we get so many hiding calls , easier to see by the refs injuries have forced us to change

#5 OL has no played up to hype! No sure the why we struggle vs run and pass. Veteran group should be better

#6 Def has been amazing  

#7 I would like to see a Arch package to force the def to work on QB run game and more deep stuff etc

Let’s fuck up Aggy

 

 

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6 minutes ago, StassneyHorn said:

And it’s catchable

So is your herpes, but no one has gotten close enough to you to get it. 

8 minutes ago, StassneyHorn said:

It was low and outside, ensuring the only person that would get to is Helm, against the blitz.

Umm, he was wide open with positioning against the defender. Even if Helm had to sit down to catch the ball, the defender would've had to plow through him to defend the pass. Instead, Ewers guns it at 200mph low and outside.

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38 minutes ago, RichUT said:

I absolutely *don't* know that. Quinn can do certain stuff really well and he's atrocious at other things. I have not seen any meaningful change in the things he is good or bad at. He is who he is. When he's playing "better" it's usually because the defense we're going up against can't take away enough of the things he is really good at.

It's really and truly as simple as that. He's good at enough things that there are maybe only 6-10 teams that can take away enough of them to really expose how limiting he can be on our offense. But I am willing to bet that most of those 6-10 teams will end up in the playoffs, and that spells trouble for us. 

Did you watch either Bama game?  Michigan?  Big 12 champ game?  Last week for fuck’s sake?  If you don’t know this, you’re a fucking moron. 

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One universal constant of being a UT fan is that no matter how shitty a certain coach or player is, there will always be some small subset of posters defending them to the bitter end. Hell, we even had people defending chuckles strong after losing to Kansas.

I think (hope?) most rational fans realize QE is not a very good QB at this point, and he's trending downward.  Does anyone really think he's the type of dude that can lead us down the field against a top 5-10 team late in the game to win a championship? Cause that's what Sark has built this roster for.

Instead, at the slightest bit of pressure he pisses down his leg and reverts to his worst habits. 

So he dinks and dunks his way to success against shit defenses and makes some nice touch passes now and again. Cool.  That ain't gonna cut it.  

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So watching a lot of other football it just seems like a lot more quarterbacks throw balls where their receivers can fight for the catch. Quinn in my recent memory has not thrown a single one of those since the injury. They are either gadget throws or air it out to beat coverage. It's never a fuck it I'll let my insane receiver make a play. 

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Since he already opened Pandora's Box by desperately bringing in Arch vs. Georgia, here is what I'm hoping for:

Sark, the staff, and the players need to be fully prepared pre-game and in the previous week of practice for Arch to come in if Quinn crumbles under the lights in College Station. Really we should be preparing for it next week before the Kentucky game as well.

It's not hyperbole to believe that the A&M game will be an insane atmosphere. If QE has the same deer in the headlights look like the UGA game, we need to be better prepared to replace him with Arch. We cannot lose that game, period. Whatever it takes. But be ready this time. 

 

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Sark missed the window. He made a decision about 3 or 4 weeks back: Play a still hobbled Quinn, or let your offense's leader finish his career here on the bench. Future recruits might have held that against us. Sark played Quinn hoping (is hoping) for the best. Quinn improved a little today, but he's running out of time to get his championship game back. We got lucky today. Ark shoulda picked off 2 or 3 and recovered one fumble. Don't really blame Sark for this decision, but if Quinn doesn't turn it up, we're fucked this year.

Sark doesn't seem to recognize quickly enough what's working and capitalize on it. That was always GD's problem. He definitely needs an OC. How bout Rhett Lashley? He's got the name right.

Quinn throwing across the field is gonna kill us against a really good team. If a guy's wide open, yeah, take it (one of our TDs), but Quinn throws balls to covered receivers, and he misses open ones. That incompletion at the pylon early on could have easily turned into a 99 yard Pic Six if the defender's timing had been a half second quicker.

Had Sark stayed with Manning in the second half against Georgia, it would have been a closer game, maybe a win. He would have won everything since and today's score would have been UT-42 UA-10, and we would be looking at running the tables. Arch would be scrambling for fifty yards per game.

Sark, ram those  6 yard runs between the tackles down our opponents' throats. Sweeps, swings, backs across the middle. Take the pressure off Quinn. He gets killer stats and has a chance in the draft, but he stops being the focus of our offense.

 

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3 minutes ago, immamac said:

So watching a lot of other football it just seems like a lot more quarterbacks throw balls where their receivers can fight for the catch. Quinn in my recent memory has not thrown a single one of those since the injury. They are either gadget throws or air it out to beat coverage. It's never a fuck it I'll let my insane receiver make a play. 

Throwing contested catches will surely not provoke critiques on this thread. 

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Did you watch either Bama game?  Michigan?  Big 12 champ game?  Last week for fuck’s sake?  If you don’t know this, you’re a fucking moron. 

Watched every single one of them. The things he does well (which I have referenced many times over) were on full display in all of those games. And those teams were unable to take enough of those things away, so his weaknesses were masked.

My POV is not that Quinn is BAD. My POV is that his game has consistent and significant limitations in specific circumstances. If he's allowed to do the things he's elite at, he can carve teams up with the best of them. But he has plenty of holes in his game, and those holes are DEEP. So when a team can start to take away the stuff he is good at, what we're left watching can look horrendous. 

We didn't get "bad Quinn" against UGA. There is just the one Quinn. UGA was good enough to force him to do the stuff he's not good at, and the results were painful to watch.

If you can't understand that, it doesn't make me the moron here.

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Just now, Hank_Hill said:

Throwing contested catches will surely not provoke critiques on this thread. 

I think it's the complete lack of them that is what is driving this its not that he should throw a ton, it's that he throws damn near none 

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2 minutes ago, Irish Wrist Watch said:

 

Had Sark stayed with Manning in the second half against Georgia, it would have been a closer game, maybe a win. He would have won everything since and today's score would have been UT-42 UA-10, and we would be looking at running the tables. Arch would be scrambling for fifty yards per game.

 

 

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15 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

It's not physical with Quinn, it's all mental. Everything he does (outside of 1st read quick releases) is a tick too slow. And the deep ball bugaboo has started to infect the WRs (see Moore last week). In week 10 of his 3rd year as a starter, we cannot go downfield. It's ridiculous. Sark deserves his share of the blame as well. 

I agree that it's mental.  I believe that the mental is a result of the injury still nagging him, but that could be wrong.  He could just be in his own head too much.

I also agree that defenses have made adjustments, but a lot of that is our inability to run the ball inside consistently and our reluctance (for some reason) to throw slants and other quick routes over the middle.  So, defenses sit on the sideline throws and trust their DB's one-on-one deep because they don't believe Quinn can hit them (which has shown to be correct).  All of this is to say that some of Quinn's struggles aren't entirely his own making.  If we had CJ Baxter and/or better run blocking, it would help Quinn immensely.  But we're having to play the hand we were dealt.

Sidebar: I have no doubt that Arch will be the better quarterback.  I expect him to win a Heisman and a championship.  But that does not mean that as a second-year player he gives us the best chance to win just because he looked amazing in stretches against overmatched opponents.  Who holds the UT record for interceptions in a season?  Colt McCoy, in his second year.  He obviously became great, and he showed flashes early, but he wasn't ready to lead us anywhere as a second-year player.  We absolutely do not know if it would be any different or better with Arch.  It's straight up speculation.  We do know that we can win with Ewers, because we have.  This is actually really simple. 

 

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11 minutes ago, immamac said:

So watching a lot of other football it just seems like a lot more quarterbacks throw balls where their receivers can fight for the catch. Quinn in my recent memory has not thrown a single one of those since the injury. They are either gadget throws or air it out to beat coverage. It's never a fuck it I'll let my insane receiver make a play. 

The TD to golden was exactly that. 

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10 minutes ago, immamac said:

So watching a lot of other football it just seems like a lot more quarterbacks throw balls where their receivers can fight for the catch. Quinn in my recent memory has not thrown a single one of those since the injury. They are either gadget throws or air it out to beat coverage. It's never a fuck it I'll let my insane receiver make a play. 

He's done Wingo a disservice with his skill set. Ridiculous. If we had a QB that weren't a hurt pussy, Wingo would be having a year. Instead we get throws to the flat, a 5 yarder, or a self-sack

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2 minutes ago, Funk Doctor Spock said:

He's done Wingo a disservice with his skill set. Ridiculous. If we had a QB that weren't a hurt pussy, Wingo would be having a year. Instead we get throws to the flat, a 5 yarder, or a self-sack

That Wingo drops

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5 minutes ago, troph said:

The TD to golden was exactly that. 

No it wasn't. That was a gadget/designed play. He had a single read on the rollput to throw it to that front pylon for the catch. It was well executed but that was exactly how the play was drawn up

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14 minutes ago, immamac said:

So watching a lot of other football it just seems like a lot more quarterbacks throw balls where their receivers can fight for the catch. Quinn in my recent memory has not thrown a single one of those since the injury. They are either gadget throws or air it out to beat coverage. It's never a fuck it I'll let my insane receiver make a play. 

I made a similar comment during the game. He is ultra sensitive to throwing to fairly open receivers, with a few exceptions, like the TD throw to Golden. I think Sark is really trying to make sure he doesn’t become a turnover machine, so Ewers progresses to the second or third receiver quite a bit, rather than try to fit it in to the first option.

Ewers reminds me some of Dak. When the protection is good and he has time and space to throw, he can find the open receivers in the progression. But when there’s pressure or he needs to move around in the pocket, sometimes he doesn’t handle it well. 

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2 minutes ago, Funk Doctor Spock said:

He's done Wingo a disservice with his skill set. Ridiculous. If we had a QB that weren't a hurt pussy, Wingo would be having a year. Instead we get throws to the flat, a 5 yarder, or a self-sack

Just think about an extra 2 or 4 fifty-yard TD passes each game, with our receivers running rings around everyone.  Quinn threw what, 3 deep balls. Hit one - wide open, almost stopped to catch the ball. One badly overthrown by ten yards, and a third that the receiver had slow then come back for (the PI no call) on the right side. 

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Just think about an extra 2 or 4 fifty-yard TD passes each game, with our receivers running rings around everyone.  Quinn threw what, 3 deep balls. Hit one - wide open, almost stopped to catch the ball. One badly overthrown by ten yards, and a third that the receiver had slow then come back for (the PI no call) on the right side. 

For a guy touted as having a Jesus arm, he sure can't seem to throw the deep ball accurately 

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18 minutes ago, bschoolprof said:

One universal constant of being a UT fan is that no matter how shitty a certain coach or player is, there will always be some small subset of posters defending them to the bitter end. Hell, we even had people defending chuckles strong after losing to Kansas.

I think (hope?) most rational fans realize QE is not a very good QB at this point, and he's trending downward.  Does anyone really think he's the type of dude that can lead us down the field against a top 5-10 team late in the game to win a championship? Cause that's what Sark has built this roster for.

Instead, at the slightest bit of pressure he pisses down his leg and reverts to his worst habits. 

So he dinks and dunks his way to success against shit defenses and makes some nice touch passes now and again. Cool.  That ain't gonna cut it.  

with our defense, he just needs to not turn the ball over and we have a shot against anyone. Sark is scheming guys open, if our qb is on it looks great. If he is off it’s a dogfight. Life we live in these days. Enjoy the ride fuckheads. NFL lite- just win and move on. Let the haters hate till you’ve won em all. 

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3 minutes ago, TexArcher said:

I agree that it's mental.  I believe that the mental is a result of the injury still nagging him, but that could be wrong.  He could just be in his own head too much.

I also agree that defenses have made adjustments, but a lot of that is our inability to run the ball inside consistently and our reluctance (for some reason) to throw slants and other quick routes over the middle.  So, defenses sit on the sideline throws and trust their DB's one-on-one deep because they don't believe Quinn can hit them (which has shown to be correct).  All of this is to say that some of Quinn's struggles aren't entirely his own making.  If we had CJ Baxter and/or better run blocking, it would help Quinn immensely.  But we're having to play the hand we were dealt.

Sidebar: I have no doubt that Arch will be the better quarterback.  I expect him to win a Heisman and a championship.  But that does not mean that as a second-year player he gives us the best chance to win just because he looked amazing in stretches against overmatched opponents.  Who holds the UT record for interceptions in a season?  Colt McCoy, in his second year.  He obviously became great, and he showed flashes early, but he wasn't ready to lead us anywhere as a second-year player.  We absolutely do not know if it would be any different or better with Arch.  It's straight up speculation.  We do know that we can win with Ewers, because we have.  This is actually really simple. 

 

Good post and I agree with a lot of it. 

The best case scenario for our program is/was for Ewers to start this year and Arch take over next year. But now we entering the part of the season where shit gets real. We must beat Kentucky and A&M, and get to the SEC championship game. Our schedule played out nicely this year, we have great players/depth all over the field, and QB play is gonna dictate how far we go.

TBH, throwing Arch in for last 3 1st half series of the UGA game felt like a total panic move in real time to me. I thought he would at least wait until halftime to make a QB decision, but it came early. I doubt Arch was mentally prepared to come in that game outside of a Quinn injury. It was a tough situation for all involved. I just don't want that shitshow to happen again. If Sark has any doubts about QE's ability to handle Kyle Field, he and the team need to be ready to fully replace him in-game with Arch if needed.  We need a clear contingency plan. 

 

 

 

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