QB1 Quinn "La Joya" Ewers - The Man The Myth The Mullet

[Billy Pilgrim 2058]

8 hours ago, Coelenterate Fuccboi said:

 

We all want to believe Arch can carry this team to victory if Quinn is benched, but his play against Georgia wasn’t exactly inspiring. Against a very talented and aggressive defense, he will likely look like the inexperienced QB he is and make some serious mistakes. 
 

It’s crazy to me how many people give Ewers a pass for prolonged stretches of shitty play but think Arch sucks because he had TWO bad drives against the same team that butt fucked Ewers for 2.5 quarters. 

[Derka 6402]

11 minutes ago, mwaadeeb said:

the shit-talkers

gotta love how everyone who’s critical of a player is a hater or a shit talker, and not simply an honest, objective adult giving their take on said player. if you’re critical of a player then you hate him. that’s a really juvenile point of view to have.

[Thatguy 9293]

 

1 minute ago, troph said:

What the quinn haters fail to realize is some of us just don’t see a perfect outcome at all. We see the same limitations you do we just don’t think benching a seasoned veteran with those limitations and replacing him with an inexperienced redshirt freshman who will be a great one in due time but unlikely this year is the right move for this season.  

And that is completely where I've been about any player here at Texas not just Quinn. I have rarely have if ever banged on a player on this board. Every player has shortcomings. Even VY had one though I can't remember what it was.

[hobbes2702 13351]

1 minute ago, mwaadeeb said:

So you're also considering the year he won the Big 12 and got us into the playofs you fucking idiot?

Rod Babers and Bobby Burton were openly talking about Quinn losing the job if we lost that game. Thats how bad he was. 

[mwaadeeb 1362]

Just now, Derka said:

gotta love how everyone who’s critical of a player is a hater or a shit talker, and not simply an honest, objective adult giving their take on said player. if you’re critical of a player then you hate him. that’s a really juvenile point of view to have.

Read the fucking thread. 

[hobbes2702 13351]

1 minute ago, Billy Pilgrim said:

It’s crazy to me how many people give Ewers a pass for prolonged stretches of shitty play but think Arch sucks because he had TWO bad drives against the same team that butt fucked Ewers for 2.5 quarters. 

Right. Quinn regularly looks like a shitty inexperienced QB agains even bad defenses. 

[mwaadeeb 1362]

1 minute ago, hobbes2702 said:

Rod Babers and Bobby Burton were openly talking about Quinn losing the job if we lost that game. Thats how bad he was. 

No one's saying he's not struggling. But Arch came in and did some shit dumber than Quinn and none of you can see it. 

[BurntEyes 6199]

1 minute ago, mwaadeeb said:

So you're also considering the year he won the Big 12 and got us into the playofs you fucking idiot?

Did we win a national championship? Musta missed it. And I'm thinking of next year. But I get it, Hopium is delicious.

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7 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

 

I’m sure he will have limitations. 
Here’s the limitation he doesn’t have: he can complete passes other than screens. 

Uh, QE has limitations but saying he can only  throw a screen pass is hyperbole man. 

[Thatguy 9293]

4 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

 

I’m sure he will have limitations. 
Here’s the limitation he doesn’t have: he can complete passes other than screens. 

This is disingenuous Hobbes. He throws everything pretty well except that deep post. He even throws verticals decently.

[hobbes2702 13351]

Just now, mwaadeeb said:

No one's saying he's not struggling. But Arch came in and did some shit dumber than Quinn and none of you can see it. 

Arch played 2 total drives in that game. I’m also not sure how he “did some shit dumber than Quinn”. What game were you watching. 
You might be saying he’s struggling but you also act as though hes somehow head and shoulders above Arch. If Quinn was playing like a 3rd year starter this wouldn’t be a conversation. Quinn is playing like a freshman afraid of college athletes and unable to process the speed of the game. He also turns the ball over in half the games he plays. So what’s the difference between him and Arch in your mind? What makes him a better option right now?

[Derka 6402]

5 minutes ago, mwaadeeb said:

So you're also considering the year he won the Big 12 and got us into the playofs you fucking idiot?

11 players from that team were taken in the nfl draft, another 8-10 who are still on the team will also be drafted, meanwhile quinn is one of the worst starters on this team and was a moderate disappointment last year. but tell me more about how “quinn” won the big xii and got us into the playoffs.

[Codaxx 6214]

9 minutes ago, troph said:

Arch will have his own limitations he’s an inexperienced redshirt freshman for pete’s sake.

I don’t think anyone would disagree. That said Quinn had limitations and is inconsistent. That is why this point isn’t really hitting home. People are going to continue to pine for Arch, until Quinn can play the consistent football expected out of a 3rd year starter. I don’t think anyone can definitively say that the offense has a higher ceiling under Quinn. 

[hobbes2702 13351]

2 minutes ago, troph said:

Uh, QE has limitations but saying he can only  throw a screen pass is hyperbole man. 

Have you watched our offense lately? Gimme a break.

[hobbes2702 13351]

3 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

This is disingenuous Hobbes. He throws everything pretty well except that deep post. He even throws verticals decently.

If anyone here should not use the word disingenuous it’s you.

 He doesn’t throw anything over the middle of the field, at all. He doesn’t attack the sideline well at all. He can make single read throws to receivers that are shorter than 10 yards. That’s our offense other than him misplacing balls to wide open receivers.

Edited November 17 by hobbes2702

[Had Enough 2108]

Just now, mwaadeeb said:

No one's saying he's not struggling. But Arch came in and did some shit dumber than Quinn and none of you can see it. 

Like what?  Fumbling?  In the same game that Ewers also had a strip sack.
 

How many games has Arch run the 2 minute offense?  Against the most talented team in the country.  After getting 2nd team reps all week.

Terrible comparison.

By the way, I’m not calling for Arch.  We can win with both in my opinion.

[BurntEyes 6199]

20 minutes ago, troph said:

What the quinn haters fail to realize is some of us just don’t see a perfect outcome at all. We see the same limitations you do we just don’t think benching a seasoned veteran with those limitations and replacing him with an inexperienced redshirt freshman who will be a great one in due time but unlikely this year is the right move for this season.  

You are way too emotional about this. 

What Quinn lovers fail to recognize  is the reality that we aren't winning an NC with Quinn and need to look at next year.

[Thatguy 9293]

Just now, hobbes2702 said:

No it isn’t. He doesn’t throw anything over the middle of the field, at all. He doesn’t attack the sideline well at all. He can make single read throws to receivers that are shorter than 10 yards. That’s our offense other than him misplacing balls to wide open receivers.

He literally did all of those things you said he cannot do in the game on Sat lol.

[hobbes2702 13351]

Just now, Thatguy said:

He literally did all of those things you said he cannot do in the game on Sat lol.

must have missed all those deep balls he hit and throws over the middle.

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2 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

I don’t think anyone would disagree. That said Quinn had limitations and is inconsistent. That is why this point isn’t really hitting home. People are going to continue to pine for Arch, until Quinn can play the consistent football expected out of a 3rd year starter. I don’t think anyone can definitively say that the offense has a higher ceiling under Quinn. 

I agree with this. I’m just on one side of it more concerned that arch’s raw talent advantage over Quinn isn’t enough to justify switching it what could be a title run. We all know QE can do it. I’m more willing to gamble on QE getting hot than I am trusting arch’s talent over his lack of experience. 

I could be wrong, I could be right, but it seems sark sees it the same though maybe he’s just playing QE for optics. Who knows.

[mwaadeeb 1362]

1 minute ago, Had Enough said:

Like what?  Fumbling?  In the same game that Ewers also had a strip sack.
 

How many games has Arch run the 2 minute offense?  Against the most talented team in the country.  After getting 2nd team reps all week.

Terrible comparison.

By the way, I’m not calling for Arch.  We can win with both in my opinion.

Arch threw a few of the worst passes I've ever seen in my life against ULM, just total fucking idiot throw into triple-coverage passes. I think our coaches know what they're doing in this matter.

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3 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

No it isn’t. He doesn’t throw anything over the middle of the field, at all. He doesn’t attack the sideline well at all. He can make single read throws to receivers that are shorter than 10 yards. That’s our offense other than him misplacing balls to wide open receivers.

[BurntOrange&White 41652]

30 minutes ago, troph said:

Two things - I’m not a defender - I think he has limitations that arch won’t have. I just don’t think a RS freshman is going to reliably play good enough to justify yanking the junior. That’s it, pretty simple really.

and in college football, nice touch and leading the RB in space is a lot bigger of a deal than you think. Especially if you’re trying to get 7-8 yards with a 1 on 1 in space.

Is the 3rd year starter playing reliably enough? No

[hobbes2702 13351]

Just now, troph said:

Can you read?

[BurntOrange&White 41652]

28 minutes ago, Atticus said:

Yea people don’t realize how much harder it becomes to throw without a threatening running game. If you give up 2 yards on first down to a run while only having 5-6 in the box, you consider that a win against our offense.

Get us to third down and roll the dice or wait for the team to shoot itself in the foot.

Our running backs had 33 carries for 147 yards at 4.45 YPC. Just stop

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3 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

What Quinn lovers fail to recognize  is the reality that we aren't winning an NC with Quinn and need to look at next year.

He plays as he is capable of playing we win it all. 
 

I’m as disappointed in his play this year as many of you. I just don’t think yanking him is the best move for a title run. I think sark sees it the same.

[Atticus 4176]

It’s possible to discuss a player without being hyperbolic. But Surly gonna Surly. Quinn can make every throw, he might not always see it, but he can definitely make them all. 
 

The only real complaint is his inability to save a play post snap when the defense or poor execution ruin it. 
 

He’s also not fun to watch and Arch is, and I suspect that’s where some of the complaints stem from too. 

[BurntOrange&White 41652]

22 minutes ago, troph said:

It’s why sark said we had to reassert ourselves in the run game coming out of the half.

i think 24 points beats A&M. Their offense isn’t good and our defense is tops in the league. 

Sark said that because our QB fucking sucked. 

[hobbes2702 13351]

1 minute ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Our running backs had 33 carries for 147 yards at 4.45 YPC. Just stop

We had people blaming the oline for Quinn’s play yesterday. They gave up 2 “sacks” and one hurry lol. It’s amazing.

Just now, Atticus said:

It’s possible to discuss a player without being hyperbolic. But Surly gonna Surly. Quinn can make every throw, he might not always see it, but he can definitely make them all. 
 

I mean this is just absolutely not true at all.

[troph 25089]

1 minute ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Our running backs had 33 carries for 147 yards at 4.45 YPC. Just stop

That was sark’s half time adjustments he said we have to run the ball. We did in the second half and basically had scoring drives for 3 out of the 4 second half drives. Running the ball is the key to his whole offensive system. 

[BurntOrange&White 41652]

22 minutes ago, troph said:

Arch will have his own limitations he’s an inexperienced redshirt freshman for pete’s sake.

Arch’s limitations can be understood because of that. There is no excuse for Quinn’s play. Big difference between redshirt freshmen limitations and 3rd year starter regressing. At this point Arch has the higher ceiling and it’s not relatively close considering Quinn’s regressions. 

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2 minutes ago, Atticus said:

It’s possible to discuss a player without being hyperbolic. But Surly gonna Surly. Quinn can make every throw, he might not always see it, but he can definitely make them all. 
 

The only real complaint is his inability to save a play post snap when the defense or poor execution ruin it. 
 

He’s also not fun to watch and Arch is, and I suspect that’s where some of the complaints stem from too. 

He does miss the deep post with mind numbing consistency.

[BurntOrange&White 41652]

16 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

Rod Babers and Bobby Burton were openly talking about Quinn losing the job if we lost that game. Thats how bad he was. 

On the halftime show Shipley, Gerry, and I think it was Babers were talking about benching him in the second half. 

[hobbes2702 13351]

Just now, BurntOrange&White said:

On the halftime show Shipley, Gerry, and I think it was Babers were talking about benching him in the second half. 

None of those guys know shit about football.

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1 minute ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Arch’s limitations can be understood because of that. There is no excuse for Quinn’s play. Big difference between redshirt freshmen limitations and 3rd year starter regressing. At this point Arch has the higher ceiling and it’s not relatively close considering Quinn’s regressions. 

I don’t care about that I care about under the circumstances we find ourselves in which QB gives us the best chance for a title run. It’s an imperfect solution set but I think it’s QE. Now I’m not happy about our odds with him but I do think the chances are near zero with arch and above zero with QE and if the QE we know is there can show up I think we are the favorite. 

[jimmyjazz 46976]

23 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

Here’s the limitation he doesn’t have: he can complete passes other than screens. 

Jesus Christ, so can Quinn.

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Just now, hobbes2702 said:

None of those guys know shit about football.

Let’s pay them $10 mil a year then and get rid of sark. 

[hobbes2702 13351]

Someone just tell me what the negatives are of going with Arch compared to Quinn? What does Quinn do that we think Arch cannot? 

Just now, troph said:

Let’s pay them $10 mil a year then and get rid of sark. 

Great retort.

[Had Enough 2108]

3 minutes ago, mwaadeeb said:

Arch threw a few of the worst passes I've ever seen in my life against ULM, just total fucking idiot throw into triple-coverage passes. I think our coaches know what they're doing in this matter.

I don’t remember those specifically.  I do recall a terrible decision.  Thought you were talking Georgia in this thread.

[Atticus 4176]

1 minute ago, troph said:

He does miss the deep post with mind numbing consistency.

He probably has some mental block that keeps him from performing during actual games because I’m sure he hits those during practice. 
 

He is physically capable of making every throw.

Not sure where the disconnect is for him. Frustrating to watch

[troph 25089]

Just now, hobbes2702 said:

Someone just tell me what the negatives are of going with Arch compared to Quinn? What does Quinn do that we think Arch cannot? 

Great retort.

The game isn’t slo enough for arch yet at least not against elite teams. He’s going to make freshmen mistakes, complex defenses will fuck him up. Sark doesn’t have as wide open of a play book for him as he does for Quinn. He’s not as good at progressions. He is going to take the deep shot when he should check down. He’s going to win bigly here in due time though. 

[mwaadeeb 1362]

5 minutes ago, Atticus said:

It’s possible to discuss a player without being hyperbolic. But Surly gonna Surly. Quinn can make every throw, he might not always see it, but he can definitely make them all. 
 

The only real complaint is his inability to save a play post snap when the defense or poor execution ruin it. 
 

He’s also not fun to watch and Arch is, and I suspect that’s where some of the complaints stem from too. 

What bugs the shit out of me are the mouth-breathing absolutist morons on this thread who can't even muster an iota of respect for a guy who has underperformed relative to his recruiting profile but is the best QB we've had in forever.

 

[ATLLonghorn 1083]

Here's a gif thread of some things about Ewers that drive me crazy about Ewers I noticed from yesterday on my skycam rewatch (and one compliment)

Play 1 - Wingo almost bails him out with a great catch, but watch Moore in the slot. He runs a crosser and he's open and Ewers just attempts the more difficult throw. Make your life easier!

Play 2 - Arkansas gets a decent enough rush, but there's still plenty of room to climb the pocket and throw to the receiver over the middle. Instead he just panics and throws the ball away.

Play 3 - I noticed this on two deep throws and thought I clipped both but could only find one of them. On multiple occasions Texas had a receiver open on a deep post, but Ewers throws it to the hash instead of more to the numbers. Gotta give your guys a chance to make a play on the ball.

Play 4 - Motion cleared out the linebacker, they got the matchup they wanted. He has to put that ball on Helm.

Play 5 - This is like making a birdie on 18 to shoot a 100. This is such a good goddamn throw. It's so frustrating seeing him do shit like this after making so many bad throws every week.

 

[Billy Pilgrim 2058]

3 minutes ago, troph said:

I don’t care about that I care about under the circumstances we find ourselves in which QB gives us the best chance for a title run. It’s an imperfect solution set but I think it’s QE. Now I’m not happy about our odds with him but I do think the chances are near zero with arch and above zero with QE and if the QE we know is there can show up I think we are the favorite. 

This is why you’d like to blow teams like Arky and Vandy out so Arch can get in and run the offense. You just can’t get that type of lead with QE at the helm (Florida appears to be the exception, not the rule).

[hobbes2702 13351]

4 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Jesus Christ, so can Quinn.

He was last in aDOT going into the Florida game and his completion percentage on balls traveling more than 10 air yards was like 49%.

[Codaxx 6214]

2 minutes ago, troph said:

I agree with this. I’m just on one side of it more concerned that arch’s raw talent advantage over Quinn isn’t enough to justify switching it what could be a title run. We all know QE can do it. I’m more willing to gamble on QE getting hot than I am trusting arch’s talent over his lack of experience. 

I could be wrong, I could be right, but it seems sark sees it the same though maybe he’s just playing QE for optics. Who knows.

I am leaning the other way. I think I said that Texas is more likely to make the playoffs with Quinn, but more likely to make noise in the playoffs with Arch about a month ago. Unfortunately, Quinn has shown nothing but inconsistency during the past month. Those highs and lows typically come with a 1st year starter (though Beck and Ewers are both there this year). I think the best version of Arch gives the offense a higher ceiling. I am not as concerned anymore about the lows, because Quinn is having those types of games. I am 1 more bad half away from calling for Quinn to be benched. I think it’s a coin flip we see Arch get meaningful snaps this year 

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1 minute ago, Billy Pilgrim said:

This is why you’d like to blow teams like Arky and Vandy out so Arch can get in and run the offense. You just can’t get that type of lead with QE at the helm (Florida appears to be the exception, not the rule).

I agree. 

[Hank_Hill 19766]

26 minutes ago, Derka said:

gotta love how everyone who’s critical of a player is a hater or a shit talker, and not simply an honest, objective adult giving their take on said player. if you’re critical of a player then you hate him. that’s a really juvenile point of view to have.

You can reverse this for everyone labeling people who think Arch probably isn’t the answer right now as a Quinn apologist.

[B00M 6725]

3 minutes ago, ATLLonghorn said:

Here's a gif thread of some things about Ewers that drive me crazy about Ewers I noticed from yesterday on my skycam rewatch (and one compliment)

Play 1 - Wingo almost bails him out with a great catch, but watch Moore in the slot. He runs a crosser and he's open and Ewers just attempts the more difficult throw. Make your life easier!

Play 2 - Arkansas gets a decent enough rush, but there's still plenty of room to climb the pocket and throw to the receiver over the middle. Instead he just panics and throws the ball away.

Play 3 - I noticed this on two deep throws and thought I clipped both but could only find one of them. On multiple occasions Texas had a receiver open on a deep post, but Ewers throws it to the hash instead of more to the numbers. Gotta give your guys a chance to make a play on the ball.

Play 4 - Motion cleared out the linebacker, they got the matchup they wanted. He has to put that ball on Helm.

Play 5 - This is like making a birdie on 18 to shoot a 100. This is such a good goddamn throw. It's so frustrating seeing him do shit like this after making so many bad throws every week.

 

Play 4  … “catchable” 🤣

[Had Enough 2108]

2 minutes ago, mwaadeeb said:

What bugs the shit out of me are the mouth-breathing absolutist morons on this thread who can't even muster an iota of respect for a guy who has underperformed relative to his recruiting profile but is the best QB we've had in forever.

 

Exactly how is he better than Sam?  Are you basing that on winning a championship in a mediocre big 12?