QB1 Quinn "La Joya" Ewers - The Man The Myth The Mullet

[hobbes2702 13,351]

2 minutes ago, troph said:

The game isn’t slo enough for arch yet at least not against elite teams. He’s going to make freshmen mistakes, complex defenses will fuck him up. Sark doesn’t have as wide open of a play book for him as he does for Quinn. He’s not as good at progressions. He is going to take the deep shot when he should check down. He’s going to win bigly here in due time though. 

The game isn’t slow enough for Quinn either apparently. 
Quinn makes freshman mistakes regularly and turns the ball over half of his games. 
Sark has clearly limited our playbook for Quinn.
Quinn is a single read QB. Please don’t try to pretend he is good at going through his progressions. Lulz.

This is my point. Arch may not be perfect but the supposed freshman issues are the same issues our 3rd year starter has. 

5 minutes ago, mwaadeeb said:

What bugs the shit out of me are the mouth-breathing absolutist morons on this thread who can't even muster an iota of respect for a guy who has underperformed relative to his recruiting profile but is the best QB we've had in forever.

 

This has nothing to do with respect. Absolute clown reply.

[sith_horn 2,486]

11 minutes ago, mwaadeeb said:

No one's saying he's not struggling. But Arch came in and did some shit dumber than Quinn and none of you can see it. 

I'm picking your quote here to chime in on, but my statement applies to other posters here as well.

Arch was inserted into a very intense game cold without having repped with the ones as the game's presumed starter. OK, such is the life of the backup. And obviously, he is a work in progress. But you cannot say with certainty that he would have played the rest of the game exactly as his first few possessions leading into halftime had Sark chosen to keep him in the game coming out of it. That is pure speculation being asserted by many of you. He may well have adjusted, settled in and found his sea legs so to speak. Or possibly not. But don't pretend like it's a given that he wouldn't of and possibly made a better game of it. He's a competitor, Sark would have been coaching him and his ability to extend plays are pluses that can't be so easily discounted.

[Levi 2,657]

The Oline and the run game does like to flip the on/off switch during games but Ewers being inconsistent poo poo is a bigger threat to the overall team success this year. 

[Hank_Hill 19,764]

19 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

must have missed all those deep balls he hit and throws over the middle.

You did, yes.

[BigHornedLurker 2,109]

I want to see some red zone packages with Arch to get him more involved 

[mwaadeeb 1,362]

Just now, sith_horn said:

I'm picking your quote here to chime in on, but my statement applies to other posters here as well.

Arch was inserted into a very intense game cold without having repped with the ones as the game's presumed starter. OK, such is the life of the backup. And obviously, he is a work in progress. But you cannot say with certainty that he would have played the rest of the game exactly as his first few possessions leading into halftime had Sark chosen to keep him in the game coming out of it. That is pure speculation being asserted by many of you. He may well have adjusted, settled in and found his sea legs so to speak. Or possibly not. But don't pretend like it's a given that he wouldn't of and possibly made a better game of it. He's a competitor, Sark would have been coaching him and his ability to extend plays are pluses that can't be so easily discounted.

I wasn't talking about Georgia. I was talking about Arch's start against ULM.

[troph 25,089]

7 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

I am leaning the other way. I think I said that Texas is more likely to make the playoffs with Quinn, but more likely to make noise in the playoffs with Arch about a month ago. Unfortunately, Quinn has shown nothing but inconsistency during the past month. Those highs and lows typically come with a 1st year starter (though Beck and Ewers are both there this year). I think the best version of Arch gives the offense a higher ceiling. I am not as concerned anymore about the lows, because Quinn is having those types of games. I am 1 more bad half away from calling for Quinn to be benched. I think it’s a coin flip we see Arch get meaningful snaps this year 

That’s fair but I think arch’s performance against ULM and MS aren’t representative of what arch would face at A&M or in the playoffs. I think arch has a low that’s low enough to guarantee a loss in the playoffs because of serious inexperience and truth is most inexperienced QBs make mistakes at the wrong times. Quinn is inconsistent but we all know his best is good enough. Problem is getting  him to put together 3-4 great games. He may not do it, but I think game losing freshman mistakes are all but guaranteed in the playoffs with arch because even the best freshman usually make freshman mistakes. 

Edited November 17 by troph

[Jkwellborn 7,006]

It’s crazy to me how many people give Ewers a pass for prolonged stretches of shitty play but think Arch sucks because he had TWO bad drives against the same team that butt fucked Ewers for 2.5 quarters. 

That’s what I don’t get. Arch didn’t do much in the GA game, but he didn’t prepare with the ones and was thrown in the game. It was kind of a lose lose situation with him.

[hobbes2702 13,351]

1 minute ago, Hank_Hill said:

You did, yes.

When? Which ones specifically?

[BurntEyes 6,199]

11 minutes ago, troph said:

The game isn’t slo enough for arch yet at least not against elite teams. He’s going to make freshmen mistakes, complex defenses will fuck him up. Sark doesn’t have as wide open of a play book for him as he does for Quinn. He’s not as good at progressions. He is going to take the deep shot when he should check down. He’s going to win bigly here in due time though. 

Yeah, and it might have been good for Arch to have a few games to learn. Like say, second half of Georgia, Vanderbilt, Florida, Arkansas, Kentucky and aggie.. right? 

Edited November 17 by BurntEyes

[jimmyjazz 46,976]

4 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

Quinn is a single read QB. Please don’t try to pretend he is good at going through his progressions. Lulz.

His ability to do just that was pointed out at least once yesterday.  Maybe more, we had it on mute most of the time and I have zero compunction to go back and rewatch that game.

[Hank_Hill 19,764]

1 minute ago, hobbes2702 said:

When? Which ones specifically?

During the game. The ones over the middle.

[sith_horn 2,486]

Just now, mwaadeeb said:

I wasn't talking about Georgia. I was talking about Arch's start against ULM.

Ah, my mistake. My point stands however.

[hobbes2702 13,351]

Just now, Hank_Hill said:

During the game. The ones over the middle.

Who caught them?

[troph 25,089]

2 minutes ago, mwaadeeb said:

I wasn't talking about Georgia. I was talking about Arch's start against ULM.

ULM lost by 40 to auburn this week. Mississippi state hasn’t won a single conference game. Those are not remotely close to examples of what arch would face at Kyle field or in the playoffs.

the complete dismissal of what could go wrong with arch behind center for a title run on this thread is really odd to me. 

[BurntOrange&White 41,652]

Just now, troph said:

ULM lost by 40 to auburn this week. Mississippi state hasn’t won a single conference game. Those are not remotely close to examples of what arch would face at Kyle field or in the playoffs.

the complete dismissal of what could go wrong with arch behind center for a title run on this thread is really odd to me. 

So what about what could go right? 

[Had Enough 2,108]

You dropback a thousand times you will do virtually everything a few times.  
 

People give Swoopes hell, but he had several very good games.

[Hank_Hill 19,764]

2 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

Who caught them?

Players in the middle. You’re welcome to rewatch and make note if you like. It wasn’t often, but it happened contrary to your hyperbole. 

[hobbes2702 13,351]

2 minutes ago, troph said:

ULM lost by 40 to auburn this week. Mississippi state hasn’t won a single conference game. Those are not remotely close to examples of what arch would face at Kyle field or in the playoffs.

the complete dismissal of what could go wrong with arch behind center for a title run on this thread is really odd to me. 

Because you’re dismissing what could and has gone wrong with Quinn. It’s not about Arch, it’s that Quinn is playing at such a low level and making freshman mistakes regularly 

[Levi 2,657]

2 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

His ability to do just that was pointed out at least once yesterday.  Maybe more, we had it on mute most of the time and I have zero compunction to go back and rewatch that game.

It’s pretty simple. He’s good at progressions with a clean pocket but when the pocket gets iffy then his ability to go through progressions basically disappears. Well, that and everything associated with being a consistent qb disappears. 

[hobbes2702 13,351]

2 minutes ago, Hank_Hill said:

Players in the middle. You’re welcome to rewatch and make note if you like. It wasn’t often, but it happened contrary to your hyperbole. 

Against Vandy Quinn completed 2 passes of 10 yards or more that get categorized as over the middle. They were both seams straight up the hash. 
I don’t recall a single throw over the middle yesterday except for the drop by Gunnar and the terrible throw to Gunnar on the “catchable” ball.
You asserted it happened. I’m asking for any example.

Edited November 17 by hobbes2702

[Had Enough 2,108]

2 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

Against Vandy Quinn completed 2 passes of 10 yards or more that get categorized as over the middle. They were both seams straight up the hash. 
I don’t recall a single throw over the middle yesterday except for the drop by Gunnar. 
You asserted it happened. I’m asking for any example.

PFF had him 5-6 between the hashes from 10-19 yards yesterday.  76 yards.

They also had him pressured at 14% (for the second game in a row), which on the season would likely rank him as the least pressured QB in the country.

[mwaadeeb 1,362]

11 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

Yeah, and it might have been good for Arch to have a few games to learn. Like say, second half of Georgia, Vanderbilt, Florida, Arkansas, Kentucky and aggie.. right? 

What about the two games he started? Jesus Christ.

[Sgt Hulk 14,330]

In the Florida game yesterday. Lagway climbed up in the pocket and as he was being hit threw a dime deep down the field to the one. That was such a great throw if Quinn even had a tenth of that accuracy our guys who are running free downfield would have several more TDs this season 

[UTEE97 3,890]

35 minutes ago, mwaadeeb said:

Arch threw a few of the worst passes I've ever seen in my life against ULM, just total fucking idiot throw into triple-coverage passes. I think our coaches know what they're doing in this matter.

Yes he did and he corrected most of that in the next game. That's the upside in Arch people love. He has talent and is a quick study. Quinn on the other hand keeps doing the same idiotic shit and worse game after game.

Edited November 17 by UTEE97

[hobbes2702 13,351]

4 minutes ago, Had Enough said:

PFF had him 5-6 between the hashes from 10-19 yards yesterday.  76 yards.

They also had him pressured at 14% (for the second game in a row), which on the season would likely rank him as the least pressured QB in the country.

Between the hashes is a little different than throwing over the middle bexause it includes some of the vertical stuff hash stuff. IE, one of the curls we caught for about 15 yards. I just watched it back and counted 1 complete to Golden across the middle where the throw was longer than 5 air yards. I might have missed 1 but that is an insanely low percentage of throws. It’s a problem 

Edited November 17 by hobbes2702

[mwaadeeb 1,362]

Just now, UTEE97 said:

Yes he did and he corrected most of that in the next game. That's the upside in Arch people love. He has talent and is a quick study. Quinn on the other hand keeps doing the same idiotic shit and worse game after game.

And I'm looking forward to Arch when he next comes in. Maybe we have to bench Quinn against Kentucky, who knows? He needs to play better. 

[sith_horn 2,486]

11 minutes ago, troph said:

That’s fair but I think arch’s performance against ULM and MS aren’t representative of what arch would face at A&M or in the playoffs. I think arch has a low that’s low enough to guarantee a loss in the playoffs and truth is most inexperienced QBs make mistakes at the wrong times. Quinn is inconsistent but we all know his best is good enough. Problem is getting  him to put together 3-4 great games. He may not do it, but I think game losing freshman mistakes are all but guaranteed in the playoffs with arch. 

And by the same token, had Arch been playing since Georgia, he would have been developing, and he'd be better prepared by now. Likewise, it assumes he hasn't developed any simply from practicing and the passage of time since then. The whole crux of this matter is Quinn's poor performance.

[Had Enough 2,108]

3 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

Between the hashes is a little different than throwing over the middle bexause it includes some of the vertical stuff hash stuff. I just watched it back and counted 1 complete to Golden across the middle where the throw was longer than 5 air yards. I might have missed 1 but that is an insanely low percentage of throws. It’s a problem 

Gotcha.  That was the closest, quickest info I could get.  The middle of the field to the intermediate area has been missing all year.

Backing out throws behind the LOS, we were 10-22.

[Codaxx 6,214]

24 minutes ago, troph said:

That’s fair but I think arch’s performance against ULM and MS aren’t representative of what arch would face at A&M or in the playoffs. I think arch has a low that’s low enough to guarantee a loss in the playoffs because of serious inexperience and truth is most inexperienced QBs make mistakes at the wrong times. Quinn is inconsistent but we all know his best is good enough. Problem is getting  him to put together 3-4 great games. He may not do it, but I think game losing freshman mistakes are all but guaranteed in the playoffs with arch because even the best freshman usually make freshman mistakes. 

At some pt Quinn is his tape. Right now the Michigan game is looking like the exception. Right now I don’t trust Quinn vs a top level defense. Not sure I trust Arch either, but he is playmaker. He can make a bad play into a good one, mostly with his feet. He may be a mad bomber, but that helps the run game. His legs also have to be accounted for by a defense 

Edited November 17 by Codaxx

[MirrOlure 15,185]

Against Vandy Quinn completed 2 passes of 10 yards or more that get categorized as over the middle. They were both seams straight up the hash. 
I don’t recall a single throw over the middle yesterday except for the drop by Gunnar and the terrible throw to Gunnar on the “catchable” ball.
You asserted it happened. I’m asking for any example.

He threw a laser to Helm for 12 or so yards and a first down deep in our own territory that they showed multiple times from the end zone view

On the final TD drive he hit Juan Davis over the middle which wasn’t quite 10 yards but was for a first down

Edit: and yes, we were all calling for more of that during the game

[Hank_Hill 19,764]

7 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

Between the hashes is a little different than throwing over the middle bexause it includes some of the vertical stuff hash stuff. IE, one of the curls we caught for about 15 yards. I just watched it back and counted 1 complete to Golden across the middle where the throw was longer than 5 air yards. I might have missed 1 but that is an insanely low percentage of throws. It’s a problem 

You said he didn’t throw over the middle AT ALL and now are moving the goal posts. You’re wrong, own it.

[futureman 22,664]

quinn is really tearing this place apart and it makes me sad.

 

1 hour ago, troph said:

if he gets hot in the playoffs we win it all. 

I agree with this and I so painfully want it to happen ... but we've been waiting for him to get hot all season.  It seems like he has yet to take over a game.  Both games vs Alabama he was dictating everything on the field (and remember that bomb to worthy for a TD, was that his last good deep ball?).  This season he's played well against Michigan and Florida but I wouldn't say he played well enough to win the SEC title and three playoff games.  Think about that (assuming we handle Kentucky), Quinn has to play well against A&M, the SEC championship, and three playoff games to win the title.  Does ANYONE think Quinn can win five highly competitive games in a row?  Based on how he's looked this season I'd say no.  But I doubt Arch would have a better chance and if Quinn does get hot that's our best scenario.  So, keep playing Quinn.

[AnotherLawyer 398]

Remember when people were digging for their pitchforks for John Chiles over Colt, or VY to WR?

Arch didn’t do shit against Georgia and he hasn’t done anything in practice to displace Ewers. We’re still 9-1 after losing the RB many considered RB2 or RB1-b with that little bitch at Okie Lite, and literally every team who plays us knows we don’t have RBs that can consistently keep the secondary honest with Baxter rehabbing his knee…so they’re often in deep thirds (which you don’t see from your couch) because they know if they let Texas go deep, they’ll be playing from behind against the Texas D.

Edited November 17 by AnotherLawyer

[StassneyHorn 6,755]

Hobbes is still bleeding out

[hobbes2702 13,351]

5 minutes ago, MirrOlure said:

He threw a laser to Helm for 12 or so yards and a first down deep in our own territory that they showed multiple times from the end zone view

On the final TD drive he hit Juan Davis over the middle which wasn’t quite 10 yards but was for a first down

Edit: and yes, we were all calling for more of that during the game

That Juan Davis catch was not over the middle. It wasn’t even inside the hash.

[Codaxx 6,214]

2 minutes ago, AnotherLawyer said:

Remember when people were digging for their pitchforks for John Chiles over Colt, or VY to WR?

Arch didn’t do shit against Georgia and he hasn’t done anything in practice to displace Ewers. We’re still 9-1 after losing the RB many considered RB2 or RB1-b with that little bitch at Okie Lite, and literally every team who plays us knows we don’t have RBs that can consistently keep the secondary honest with Baxter rehabbing his knee…so they’re often in deep thirds (which you don’t see from your couch) because they know if they let Texas go deep, they’ll be playing from behind against the Texas D.

I don’t think anyone had their pitchforks out for 3rd year Colt or Vince. This is not remotely the same situation 

[hobbes2702 13,351]

5 minutes ago, Hank_Hill said:

You said he didn’t throw over the middle AT ALL and now are moving the goal posts. You’re wrong, own it.

Ok man. Owned. Lulz. He fucking sucks at throwing over the middle and we’ve had to almost abandon it entirely as a piece of our offense. Be thank you for the pedantry.

1 minute ago, StassneyHorn said:

Hobbes is still bleeding out

You’re such a clown.

[Hank_Hill 19,764]

First part of growth is admitting our mistakes. Proud of you.

[MirrOlure 15,185]

That Juan Davis catch was not over the middle. It wasn’t even inside the hash.

True, it wasn’t equidistant from each sideline…but it was in the middle of the shit that was happening on the play, and he was moving from outside to in.

I shall consider that to be an “in the middle” play.

[mwaadeeb 1,362]

2 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

I don’t think anyone had their pitchforks out for 3rd year Colt or Vince. This is not remotely the same situation 

It's first time since then that we've had a team / record that good and people are clamoring to replace the QB like it's a no-brainer. Just dumb.

[hobbes2702 13,351]

Just now, MirrOlure said:

True, it wasn’t equidistant from each sideline…but it was in the middle of the shit that was happening on the play, and he was moving from outside to in.

I shall consider that to be an “in the middle” play.

I’d say that’s fair. 

[sith_horn 2,486]

5 minutes ago, AnotherLawyer said:

Arch didn’t do shit against Georgia and he hasn’t done anything in practice to displace Ewers.

What a ridiculous statement. Nothing wrong with arguing Quinn should be the starter, but you need to be a little more convincing with your argument counselor ...

[hobbes2702 13,351]

6 minutes ago, Hank_Hill said:

First part of growth is admitting our mistakes. Proud of you.

Why are you so hurtful to me?

[StassneyHorn 6,755]

The rat poison fed to all the drunk-posting, game-thread hamsters about 5.5 yards in the air for completion has done irreversible damage.

[Codaxx 6,214]

7 minutes ago, mwaadeeb said:

It's first time since then that we've had a team / record that good and people are clamoring to replace the QB like it's a no-brainer. Just dumb.

Texas record would be 9-1 with Arch or Quinn starting, I don’t think anyone would argue that. So the record thing doesn’t really move the needle. 
 

Here are the SEC Quarterback Grades through week 11 for all 16 current starters in the SEC (prior to Ark game). 

 

1. Jaxson Dart , Ole Miss

Grade: 91.9

Nat’l Rank: 4

 

2. Taylen Green, Arkansas 

Grade: 86.9

Nat’l Rank: 25

 

3. Jalen Milroe, Alabama 

Grade: 85.3

Nat’l Rank: 31

 

4. Diego Pavia , Vanderbilt 

Grade: 85.0

Nat’l Rank: 32

 

5. Garrett Nussmeier, LSU

Grade: 81.1

Nat’l Rank: 61

 

6. Carson Beck, UGA

Grade: 78.0

Nat’l Rank: 86

 

7. Nico Iamaleava, Tennessee 

Grade: 77.1

Nat’l Rank: 95

 

8. Payton Thorne, Auburn 

Grade: 75.8

Nat’l Rank: 111

 

9. Brock Vandagriff, Kentucky

Grade: 68.9

Nat’l Rank: 195

 

10. Marcel Reed, Texas A&M 

Grade: 66.3

Nat’l Rank: 202

 

11. Quinn Ewers, Texas 

Grade: 66.9

Nat’l Rank: 210

 

12. Michael van Buren, Mississippi State

Grade: 62.5

Nat’l Rank: 254

 

13. LaNorris Sellers, South Carolina

Grade: 62.3

Nat’l Rank: 257

 

14. Jackson Arnold, Oklahoma 

Grade: 59.7

Nat’l Rank: 273

 

15. Drew Pyne, Missouri 

Grade: 56.4

Nat’l Rank: 287
 

https://www.louisianasports.net/week-11-sec-qb-pff-grades-dart-leads-milroe-rises/

This is a debate based on Quinn’s play. If it was any other position, it is unlikely to be much of a debate 

Edited November 17 by Codaxx

[utexas8 1,695]

Quinn isn’t getting benched until he messes up like in the UGA game. The question is, does sark have the balls to pull him before it’s get bad? He should’ve been pulled earlier in the UGA game.

He should be on a short leash, but will he? Let’s see if sark has the balls. I’ve been on Quinn’s side as long as I could. I was really pulling for him but he hurts this team more than he helps.

[Hank_Hill 19,764]

3 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

Why are you so hurtful to me?

Looks like our hour is up, let’s build on this next week.

[AnotherLawyer 398]

6 minutes ago, sith_horn said:

What a ridiculous statement. Nothing wrong with arguing Quinn should be the starter, but you need to be a little more convincing with your argument counselor ...

Prove me wrong. Go ahead.

[hobbes2702 13,351]

1 minute ago, Hank_Hill said:

Looks like our hour is up, let’s build on this next week.