QB1 Quinn "La Joya" Ewers - The Man The Myth The Mullet

[mwaadeeb 1362]

2 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

 

Texas record would be 9-1 with Arch or Quinn starting, I don’t think anyone would argue that. So the record thing doesn’t really move the needle. 
 

Here are the SEC Quarterback Grades through week 11 for all 16 current starters in the SEC.

 

1. Jaxson Dart , Ole Miss

Grade: 91.9

Nat’l Rank: 4

 

2. Taylen Green, Arkansas 

Grade: 86.9

Nat’l Rank: 25

 

3. Jalen Milroe, Alabama 

Grade: 85.3

Nat’l Rank: 31

 

4. Diego Pavia , Vanderbilt 

Grade: 85.0

Nat’l Rank: 32

 

5. Garrett Nussmeier, LSU

Grade: 81.1

Nat’l Rank: 61

 

6. Carson Beck, UGA

Grade: 78.0

Nat’l Rank: 86

 

7. Nico Iamaleava, Tennessee 

Grade: 77.1

Nat’l Rank: 95

 

8. Payton Thorne, Auburn 

Grade: 75.8

Nat’l Rank: 111

 

9. Brock Vandagriff, Kentucky

Grade: 68.9

Nat’l Rank: 195

 

10. Marcel Reed, Texas A&M 

Grade: 66.3

Nat’l Rank: 202

 

11. Quinn Ewers, Texas 

Grade: 66.9

Nat’l Rank: 210

 

12. Michael van Buren, Mississippi State

Grade: 62.5

Nat’l Rank: 254

 

13. LaNorris Sellers, South Carolina

Grade: 62.3

Nat’l Rank: 257

 

14. Jackson Arnold, Oklahoma 

Grade: 59.7

Nat’l Rank: 273

 

15. Drew Pyne, Missouri 

Grade: 56.4

Nat’l Rank: 287
 

https://www.louisianasports.net/week-11-sec-qb-pff-grades-dart-leads-milroe-rises/

This is a debate based on Quinn’s play. If it was any other position, it is unlikely to be much of a debate 

I think us being 9-1 with Arch is totally debatable. He's looked good and he's looked not good. A dumb pick or two on the road against Vandy or Arky and we'd have lost.

[sith_horn 2486]

Just now, AnotherLawyer said:

Prove me wrong. Go ahead.

Why don't you try reading my posts on the subject just a few above yours. As for beating Quinn out in practice, this isn't a fall camp competition situation. And Quinn doesn't have to worry about contact in practice. Football games are played full contact, not 7 on 7.

I don't need to prove to you that your statement was ridiculous. It was and you can accept that or not.

[hobbes2702 13351]

4 minutes ago, mwaadeeb said:

I think us being 9-1 with Arch is totally debatable. He's looked good and he's looked not good. A dumb pick or two on the road against Vandy or Arky and we'd have lost.

The only reason either of those games was close is quarterback play

[Codaxx 6214]

6 minutes ago, mwaadeeb said:

I think us being 9-1 with Arch is totally debatable. He's looked good and he's looked not good. A dumb pick or two on the road against Vandy or Arky and we'd have lost.

Ark is out the window. Quinn was not good vs Ark. Quinn had multiple interceptions vs Vandy and Texas survived 

Edited November 17 by Codaxx

[dcar00 14902]

25 minutes ago, futureman said:

quinn is really tearing this place apart and it makes me sad.

 

I agree with this and I so painfully want it to happen ... but we've been waiting for him to get hot all season.  It seems like he has yet to take over a game.  Both games vs Alabama he was dictating everything on the field (and remember that bomb to worthy for a TD, was that his last good deep ball?).  This season he's played well against Michigan and Florida but I wouldn't say he played well enough to win the SEC title and three playoff games.  Think about that (assuming we handle Kentucky), Quinn has to play well against A&M, the SEC championship, and three playoff games to win the title.  Does ANYONE think Quinn can win five highly competitive games in a row?  Based on how he's looked this season I'd say no.  But I doubt Arch would have a better chance and if Quinn does get hot that's our best scenario.  So, keep playing Quinn.

I think we all underestimate the running game and WR's we/Quinn had last year.   Quinn is the same. IMO.   Our D is so much better that we are in the same spot as last year.

we go as far as the D takes us.  barring stupid TO's and special teams disasters we can win it.

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58 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

The game isn’t slow enough for Quinn either apparently. 
Quinn makes freshman mistakes regularly and turns the ball over half of his games. 
Sark has clearly limited our playbook for Quinn.
Quinn is a single read QB. Please don’t try to pretend he is good at going through his progressions. Lulz.

This is my point. Arch may not be perfect but the supposed freshman issues are the same issues our 3rd year starter has. 

This has nothing to do with respect. Absolute clown reply.

He is not a single read QB. He doesn’t always make the right decision but he has a much better grasp of elite defenses than arch does and in fact does go through his progressions. 
 

his limitations are mobility, pocket presence, and the deep ball. But touch, intermediate accuracy and reading defenses he’s way ahead of arch. 

[hobbes2702 13351]

1 minute ago, troph said:

He is not a single read QB. He doesn’t always make the right decision but he has a much better grasp of elite defenses than arch does and in fact does go through his progressions. 

 

No first option, check down to the running back.

Edited November 17 by hobbes2702

[Horn of Gabriel 1883]

1 hour ago, BurntEyes said:

What Quinn lovers fail to recognize  is the reality that we aren't winning an NC with Quinn and need to look at next year.

"The QB on our 11-1 team in the playoff and SEC championship hunt isn't playing to our standard, we should bail on this season and toss in the inexperienced RS Freshman to get us ready for next year!"

Never change, Surly.

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39 minutes ago, sith_horn said:

And by the same token, had Arch been playing since Georgia, he would have been developing, and he'd be better prepared by now. Likewise, it assumes he hasn't developed any simply from practicing and the passage of time since then. The whole crux of this matter is Quinn's poor performance.

The crux of it is which QB gives Texas the best chance at a title run this year and nothing else matters. The fact that QE should be better this year than he is is not an option right now. It’s a redshirt freshman with zero big game experience or QE who has won big and has shit the bed. Sark had emphatically made his decision, I agree with him for this year. No doubt arch has a much higher ceiling for his career but he does not have a higher ceiling for this year and against playoff contenders im going to guess sark doesn’t think he’s ready either. 

[hobbes2702 13351]

1 minute ago, Horn of Gabriel said:

"The QB on our 11-1 team in the playoff and SEC championship hunt isn't playing to our standard, we should bail on this season and toss in the inexperienced RS Freshman to get us ready for next year!"

Never change, Surly.

I’m still not exactly sure that we should bail on Quinn for Arch, I’m just really starting to run out of reasons that make me think it would be worse. Again, that’s how bad he is playing. It isn’t about Arch being a savior, it’s about Quinn playing like a true freshman.

[dcar00 14902]

Just now, hobbes2702 said:

 

No first option, check down to the running back.

if he gets time he is very very good but yes, any pressure and he bails to the check down quickly.  to be honest I am fine with that this year vs a pick.

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2 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

 

No first option, check down to the running back.

Dude drunk ass Jesse Palmer fucking showed him going to 3rd and 4th reads yesterday at least on 3 occasions. It was plain as day. 

You’re acting like a drunk hyena. 

[BurntOrange&White 41652]

13 minutes ago, mwaadeeb said:

I think us being 9-1 with Arch is totally debatable. He's looked good and he's looked not good. A dumb pick or two on the road against Vandy or Arky and we'd have lost.

Like Quinn?

[Hank_Hill 19764]

If he was just a one read QB he wouldn’t be getting sacked so much. I think he’s been going through his progressions better this year actually, unfortunately this just highlights his shitty pocket presence even more.

[westexhorn 2157]

QE is who he is at this point but it's too late to change now unless he starts turning the ball over like crazy.

[StassneyHorn 6755]

If Quinn only throws for 200 yards in all upcoming games and no turnovers, the team can win a championship with that.

[BurntOrange&White 41652]

6 minutes ago, troph said:

He is not a single read QB. He doesn’t always make the right decision but he has a much better grasp of elite defenses than arch does and in fact does go through his progressions. 
 

his limitations are mobility, pocket presence, and the deep ball. But touch, intermediate accuracy and reading defenses he’s way ahead of arch. 

Quinn is 100% single read QB.

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2 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

if he gets time he is very very good but yes, any pressure and he bails to the check down quickly.  to be honest I am fine with that this year vs a pick.

I said he has poor pocket presence. That doesn’t mean he’s a one read QB.

Just now, BurntOrange&White said:

Quinn is 100% single read QB.

Y’all are drinking bleach I’m convinced. 

[BurntOrange&White 41652]

1 minute ago, Hank_Hill said:

If he was just a one read QB he wouldn’t be getting sacked so much. I think he’s been going through his progressions better this year actually, unfortunately this just highlights his shitty pocket presence even more.

OR once he comes off his single read or not schematically designed read he holds the ball because he doesn't know what the fuck to do because he's a single read QB? Yeah I'll go with that

[Hank_Hill 19764]

1 minute ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Quinn is 100% single read QB.

There are multiple plays just yesterday that shit on this.

[mwaadeeb 1362]

9 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

Ark is out the window. Quinn was not good vs Ark. Quinn had multiple interceptions vs Vandy and Texas survived 

Ok what about Florida?

[Codaxx 6214]

4 minutes ago, StassneyHorn said:

If Quinn only throws for 200 yards in all upcoming games and no turnovers, the team can win a championship with that.

There is no chance Texas makes noise in the playoffs, if Quinn throws for 200 yards a game. Debatable that Texas makes the playoffs, if Quinn throws for 200 vs A&M 

Edited November 17 by Codaxx

[BurntOrange&White 41652]

Just now, Hank_Hill said:

There are multiple plays just yesterday that shit on this.

Cool so because he does it 1-2 times a game that means that isn't what he is? Got it.

[Hank_Hill 19764]

Just now, BurntOrange&White said:

OR once he comes off his single read or not schematically designed read he holds the ball because he doesn't know what the fuck to do because he's a single read QB? Yeah I'll go with that

You’re dug in, we get it.

[Codaxx 6214]

1 minute ago, mwaadeeb said:

Ok what about Florida?

Texas rolls.. Florida offense was just out-matched. I said Ewers played great in that game, but the environment couldn’t have been easier. That isn’t a game where Arch would have been rattled. Almost no pressure and WRs running wide open everywhere 

Edited November 17 by Codaxx

[BurntOrange&White 41652]

1 minute ago, mwaadeeb said:

Ok what about Florida?

You said what if for Arch in those games but we won regardless of QB with Quinn doing those things and playing completely shitty.

1 minute ago, Hank_Hill said:

You’re dug in, we get it.

It's quite literally the definition of single read in what he does.

Edited November 17 by BurntOrange&White

[dcar00 14902]

2 minutes ago, troph said:

I said he has poor pocket presence. That doesn’t mean he’s a one read QB.

 

I wasn't really arguing with you.

[mwaadeeb 1362]

Just now, Codaxx said:

Texas rolls.. Florida offense was just out-matched 

So it's not debatable that Arch wins that game when it got close at the end and Quinn threw 5 TDs? Come on.

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2 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

OR once he comes off his single read or not schematically designed read he holds the ball because he doesn't know what the fuck to do because he's a single read QB? Yeah I'll go with that

Except evidence from even yesterday showed you’re wrong. 

[hobbes2702 13351]

1 minute ago, troph said:

Dude drunk ass Jesse Palmer fucking showed him going to 3rd and 4th reads yesterday at least on 3 occasions. It was plain as day. 

You’re acting like a drunk hyena. 

Haven’t had a sip… yet. Just a lazy Sunday on the couch though.

It’s just ridiculous to pretend that Quinn regularly goes through his reads. Often when he does he missed someone while doing so. All someone has to do is show some sort of blitz and he turns into a check down machine. There doesn’t even have to be actual pressure. 
I don’t know why you want to act like this is new. It’s been a problem the entire season. 

[BurntOrange&White 41652]

Just now, troph said:

Except evidence from even yesterday showed you’re wrong. 

JUST BECAUSE YOU DO IT 1 TO 2 TIMES A GAME DOESN'T MAKE YOU NOT A 1 READ QB

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Just now, BurntOrange&White said:

JUST BECAUSE YOU DO IT 1 TO 2 TIMES A GAME DOESN'T MAKE YOU NOT A 1 READ QB

Go yell at someone else.  Y’all are fucking crazy. 

[BurntOrange&White 41652]

Just now, troph said:

Go yell at someone else.  Y’all are fucking crazy. 

You're just a sunshine pumping dumbass....

[hobbes2702 13351]

4 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

OR once he comes off his single read or not schematically designed read he holds the ball because he doesn't know what the fuck to do because he's a single read QB? Yeah I'll go with that

Ding ding ding. 

[Codaxx 6214]

2 minutes ago, mwaadeeb said:

So it's not debatable that Arch wins that game when it got close at the end and Quinn threw 5 TDs? Come on.

I don’t see that game being close with Arch starting. Again no pressure and receivers running wide open all game. 

[sith_horn 2486]

2 minutes ago, troph said:

The crux of it is which QB gives Texas the best chance at a title run this year and nothing else matters. The fact that QE should be better this year than he is is not an option right now. It’s a redshirt freshman with zero big game experience or QE who has won big and has shit the bed. Sark had emphatically made his decision, I agree with him for this year. No doubt arch has a much higher ceiling for his career but he does not have a higher ceiling for this year and against playoff contenders im going to guess sark doesn’t think he’s ready either. 

I've not really been arguing Arch should be the starter so much as counterbalancing what I take to be unchallenged assertions by Quinn advocates. It's a legitimate discussion to be had because the answer as to who should be the starter since the first half of Georgia wasn't straightforward at all. For sure, if a switch to Arch were to be made, it would have been far better to have done so in that game and stick with it to allow him to develop and be ready for the final stretch. It's a much dicier situation at this juncture. As you say, and as I have posted several weeks ago, the decision isn't ours to make anyways.

[hobbes2702 13351]

6 minutes ago, mwaadeeb said:

So it's not debatable that Arch wins that game when it got close at the end and Quinn threw 5 TDs? Come on.

There is zero chance Florida could even contend with us in that game even with Owens at QB. Zero offense, zero defense. That had absolutely nothing.

[StassneyHorn 6755]

9 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

There is no chance Texas makes noise in the playoffs, if Quinn throws for 200 yards a game. Debatable that Texas makes the playoffs, if Quinn throws for 200 vs A&M 

You’re wrong, but you’re allowed to be. Turnover free football and our defense is enough

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1 minute ago, sith_horn said:

I've not really been arguing Arch should be the starter so much as counterbalancing what I take to be unchallenged assertions by Quinn advocates. It's a legitimate discussion to be had because the answer as to who should be the starter since the first half of Georgia wasn't straightforward at all. For sure, if a switch to Arch were to be made, it would have been far better to have done so in that game and stick with it to allow him to develop and be ready for the final stretch. It's a much dicier situation at this juncture. As you say, and as I have posted several weeks ago, the decision isn't ours to make anyways.

I’m extremely disappointed in QE’s play this year.  It’s counter balanced by pleasant surprise our defense is so dominant.

I just think QE can play elite and he has before. I simply do not think Arch will play like a seasoned veteran in the playoffs. I truly believe a no turnover QE who throws for 200 is enough to win the playoffs. And I think arch is simply too inexperienced to take the chance on what is our best chance at a title since well last year. 

[BurntOrange&White 41652]

1 minute ago, StassneyHorn said:

You’re wrong, but you’re allowed to be. Turnover free football and our defense is enough

If we had Baxter I’d probably agree. But I don’t think our current backs would be enough to carry the offense to a title even without turnovers. Our offense needs elite QB play to win the title 

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2 minutes ago, StassneyHorn said:

You’re wrong, but you’re allowed to be. Turnover free football and our defense is enough

100% this. 

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Just now, BurntOrange&White said:

If we had Baxter I’d probably agree. But I don’t think our current backs would be enough to carry the offense to a title even without turnovers. Our offense needs elite QB play to win the title 

Our only loss was because of turnovers. Take those away that game is a nail biter. Our defense is so fucking legit we don’t need high flying offense we need no turnover 24-27 points. 

[BurntOrange&White 41652]

2 minutes ago, troph said:

Our only loss was because of turnovers. Take those away that game is a nail biter. Our defense is so fucking legit we don’t need high flying offense we need no turnover 24-27 points. 

Because turnovers and the worst QB play since Hudson Card vs Arkansas in 2021. That game is the epitome of why we need elite QB play to win a title. We will have to 2-4 games like that game to win a title. 

Edited November 17 by BurntOrange&White

[mwaadeeb 1362]

15 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

Texas rolls.. Florida offense was just out-matched. I said Ewers played great in that game, but the environment couldn’t have been easier. That isn’t a game where Arch would have been rattled. Almost no pressure and WRs running wide open everywhere 

 

10 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

I don’t see that game being close with Arch starting. Again no pressure and receivers running wide open all game. 

 

6 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

There is zero chance Florida could even contend with us in that game even with Owens at QB. Zero offense, zero defense. That had absolutely nothing.

Ya'll are right, I was thinking Vandy again I guess. I actually wonder if Trey Owens would have one that game too.

[Codaxx 6214]

4 minutes ago, troph said:

I’m extremely disappointed in QE’s play this year.  It’s counter balanced by pleasant surprise our defense is so dominant.

I just think QE can play elite and he has before. I simply do not think Arch will play like a seasoned veteran in the playoffs. I truly believe a no turnover QE who throws for 200 is enough to win the playoffs. And I think arch is simply too inexperienced to take the chance on what is our best chance at a title since well last year. 

I love Surly. We have someone arguing Texas loses to Florida if Arch starts and people arguing Texas will win a NC with a QB throwing for 200 yards a game 

[Had Enough 2108]

6 minutes ago, StassneyHorn said:

You’re wrong, but you’re allowed to be. Turnover free football and our defense is enough

I’d wager we’d need at least 1 game of 200+.  You realize we get a shit ton of yards after catch, right?

We have now run the freebie TD pass two weeks in a row.  So that’ll be more difficult, but they’ll probably give the Yac a bit.

Keep an eye on Georgia as that was their best offensive output yesterday.

[StassneyHorn 6755]

5 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

I love Surly. We have someone arguing Texas loses to Florida if Arch starts and people arguing Texas will win a NC with a QB throwing for 200 yards a game 

No, 200 yards and no INTs or fumbles from Quinn. Do not debate in poor taste by lying

[Codaxx 6214]

8 minutes ago, Had Enough said:

I’d wager we’d need at least 1 game of 200+.  You realize we get a shit ton of yards after catch, right?

We have now run the freebie TD pass two weeks in a row.  So that’ll be more difficult, but they’ll probably give the Yac a bit.

Keep an eye on Georgia as that was their best offensive output yesterday.

Just modern football. It’s extremely hard to go a season where someone doesn’t get you. Texas has only played 1 top 20 offense this year by FEI (18 Georgia). To win a title there will be a game the offense needs to score 27 or more. I hope I am wrong about that, because it would be great to watch the defense hold everyone below 17 pts. 

Edited November 17 by Codaxx

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7 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Because turnovers and the worst QB play since Hudson Card vs Arkansas in 2021. That game is the epitome of why we need elite QB play to win a title. We will have to 2-4 games like that game to win a title. 

Y’all think I don’t acknowledge he played poorly, I mean the whole offense shit the bed too 

I just don’t see a RS Fr playing better. Sorry don’t see it. Sark doesn’t either. 

if you want me to acknowledge QE has regressed I have and will again. 

arch isn’t the answer this year. QE showing up is. 

[MuellerHorn 4607]

41 minutes ago, mwaadeeb said:

I think us being 9-1 with Arch is totally debatable. He's looked good and he's looked not good. A dumb pick or two on the road against Vandy or Arky and we'd have lost.

I’m not saying that Arch is our underutilized savior, but the opposite could also be true. Maybe Arch hits some passes or makes some play and those games aren’t as close. 
 

The truth is probably somewhere in the middle.