QB1 Quinn "La Joya" Ewers - The Man The Myth The Mullet

[Jkwellborn 6713]

The fact that Sark didn't bring in Arch when Quinn was clearly hurt yesterday is a very strong sign that he wants Quinn to start next week. 
 

There’s no doubt at this point that Sark wants Quinn to be successful. Plus, it was SR night and Quinn went out. Possibly his last game at DKR. I think part of it is Sark being stubborn too.

[Codaxx 5788]

3 minutes ago, Cajun said:

And he fumbled snaps all over the place.

But I'm sure that had zero to do with the pain he was in.  Not a chance.

Either  Sark is the biggest moron in college football or you are projecting too much. I guess we will find out 

Edited 2 hours ago by Codaxx

[Hank Kingsley 20986]

1 minute ago, 89Horn said:

I like Quinn.  I am not in the camp that he sucks and is the liability from our being the shoe in CFP title winner.  But, given his injury, I don’t understand why Sark trotted him out in the 4th quarter.  We had a 15 play, 8 minute drive, every one of them a run.  Yeah, I know it is an easy job Quinn did on that drive.  But, Arch could have handed the ball off 15 teams and have Quinn prop his ankle up on the sidelines.

I think Sark is very aware of the outside noise and wanted to make it very clear he doesn't want a QB controversy.

Also I believe @TwiceHorn made a good observation. Quinn needs to be able to play dinged up and tough it out. 

[Cajun 11721]

Just now, Codaxx said:

Either  Sark is the biggest moron in college football or you are projecting too much. I guess we will find out 

False dichotomies are so much fun aren't they?

[Goredho 17412]

3 hours ago, utexas8 said:

Arch is not going to start unless Quinn is really hurt or he shits the bed again.

Well, Quinn was objectively two of two yesterday.  He was playing decent, got hobbled in the 2nd quarter, then shit all over himself and really lathered it up in the 2nd half.  We just have a good enough defense and running game to not lose against a 4-7 team.

I’m not saying Arch should start if Quinn is healthy, but we aren’t winning another game if our offensive game plan is limited to what we were capable of in the 4th quarter yesterday.

[Derka 6265]

22 minutes ago, mwaadeeb said:

I always laugh at "the deal" people think the Mannings negotiated with Sark about Arch's timeline. That's some silly shit.

you are wildly delusional if you don’t think that the manning family has been heavily involved with Sark in mapping out Arch’s timeline at Texas. arguably the main reason Arch chose Texas is the Manning family relationship with/trust in Sark. if you don’t think that the family and Sark have a game plan mapped out then you are absolutely the silly one.

[LTtxfan 49283]

37 minutes ago, Duane Moore said:

If there is any chance that Quinn can be an effective passer, Sark will start him.  I expect Arch will get a lot of reps in practice this week, but if Quinn is at least 60% at game time, Sark will start him. 

Yeah, with Ewers' banged up ankle, gotta get Arch ready to possibly start... 

[mwaadeeb 1229]

5 minutes ago, Derka said:

you are wildly delusional if you don’t think that the manning family has been heavily involved with Sark in mapping out Arch’s timeline at Texas. arguably the main reason Arch chose Texas is the Manning family relationship with/trust in Sark. if you don’t think that the family and Sark have a game plan mapped out then you are absolutely the silly one.

You just said it yourself, Derk. "Trust." You don't hand over your kid, trusting the coach, and then say oh by the way this is when and how we want him to play. Silly.

At least I don't see rational parents like his doing it. I'm sure there's plenty of dickhead helicopter parents who try.

Edited 2 hours ago by mwaadeeb

[Codaxx 5788]

3 minutes ago, Cajun said:

False dichotomies are so much fun aren't they?

You just said Quinn was fumbling snaps all over the place, because of the pain. I didn’t see that in the game I watched, but if that was accurate Sark would be really stupid to play that Quinn 

[Slacks 6822]

59 minutes ago, BB65 said:

Sark refuses to have QB controversy. That is where the stubbornness begins and ends. He is NFL light. If the starter can play he’s the QB. 

As it should be.

[89Horn 1537]

2 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

I think Sark is very aware of the outside noise and wanted to make it very clear he doesn't want a QB controversy.

Also I believe @TwiceHorn made a good observation. Quinn needs to be able to play dinged up and tough it out. 

I can see that if the score was 21-20 and Kentucky had the ball on our 20 yard line driving to score a TD to take the lead.  Instead the D stopped them at our 43 at 4th and 20.  We took over running the ball after that.  
 

I think it is an overstatement to say a QB controversy would ensue if Arch came in for the 4th quarter.  And, playing dinged up is one thing.  Taking the chance of fucking up the ankle worse and risking not playing against your biggest rival for the chance to play in the SEC title game is quite another thing.

[Derka 6265]

7 minutes ago, mwaadeeb said:

You just said it yourself, Derk. "Trust." You don't hand over your kid, trusting the coach, and then say oh by the way this is when and how we want him to play.

….yes you do. are you joking and i’m failing to pick up on it or something? Arch Manning was the third ever 1.000 QB and is seen as the pied piper by many of his peers. he could have gone to any school he wanted to, do you seriously think that he and his family had zero input on how the coach plans to utilize him, particularly *this* family? the Mannings have always wanted Arch to redshirt, backup quinn for a year, and then take over in 2025. it’s not like this is even speculation, this is known. but that seems silly to you? the royal family of quarterbacks has the no.1 qb recruit in the nation heading for college and you think its silly that they would have input on how Arch gets used?

it’s like every day someone tries to set a new bar for most bizarre take in this thread

Edited 2 hours ago by Derka

[mwaadeeb 1229]

Just now, Derka said:

….yes you do. what are you even talking about? Arch Manning was the third ever 1.000 QB and is seen as the pied piper by many of his peers. he could have gone to any school he wanted to, do you seriously think that he and his family had zero input on how the coach plans to utilize him, particularly *this* family? the Mannings have always wanted Arch to redshirt, backup quinn for a year, and then take over in 2025. it’s not like this is even speculation, this is known. 

it’s like every day someone tries to set a new bar for most bizarre take in this thread

Settle down kid. Did I say "zero input?" 

[Slacks 6822]

5 minutes ago, mwaadeeb said:

You just said it yourself, Derk. "Trust." You don't hand over your kid, trusting the coach, and then say oh by the way this is when and how we want him to play. Silly.

At least I don't see rational parents like his doing it. I'm sure there's plenty of dickhead helicopter parents who try.

Imagine this family telling an NFL franchise not to draft one of them, because they wouldn't come there and take the $55MM contact as a rookie. Would that be silly?

[dcar00 14293]

5 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

You just said Quinn was fumbling snaps all over the place, because of the pain. I didn’t see that in the game I watched, but if that was accurate Sark would be really stupid to play that Quinn 

I think it is possible the fumbled/bobbled snaps were not directly because of pain but, because he couldn't move as quickly, he was getting ahead of himself.  he started turning his head before he had the ball.

[Codaxx 5788]

3 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

I think it is possible the fumbled/bobbled snaps were not directly because of pain but, because he couldn't move as quickly, he was getting ahead of himself.  he started turning his head before he had the ball.

He had one dropped snap. He hurt himself late 1Q/early 2Q.. Probably stiffened up at half, but 1 fumbled snap in like 40-50 snaps isn’t “all over the place”. The hyperbole is reaching peak Surly levels early this morning 

Edited 2 hours ago by Codaxx

[TwiceHorn 31507]

2 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

I think it is possible the fumbled/bobbled snaps were not directly because of pain but, because he couldn't move as quickly, he was getting ahead of himself.  he started turning his head before he had the ball.

Yeah and if he had been a bit lighter on his feet on that strip/score, he might have sidestepped the guy that tipped the ball when he had it low.  He went kind of nuts after that overthinking everything.

[mwaadeeb 1229]

3 minutes ago, Slacks said:

Imagine this family telling an NFL franchise not to draft one of them, because they wouldn't come there and take the $55MM contact as a rookie. Would that be silly?

It'd be less silly than demanding input after they drafted him.

[B00M 6420]

1 hour ago, chainsaw said:

This is an excellent point. If we don't need to win in Collie Station for CFP purposes, I might even go so far as to argue that it letting Arch start would be worth it for the dividends it will pay next season.

Built in excuse if we lose. “Texas played without their starting QB”

lulz 

[dcar00 14293]

Just now, Codaxx said:

He had one dropped snap. He hurt himself late 1Q/early 2Q.. Probably stiffened up at half, but 1 fumbled snap in like 40-50 snaps isn’t “all over the place”. 

I wasnt commenting on the all over the place just why I think it happened a few times.

[Red Five 40873]

7 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

I think it is possible the fumbled/bobbled snaps were not directly because of pain but, because he couldn't move as quickly, he was getting ahead of himself.  he started turning his head before he had the ball.

It appears as if Quinn doesn't handle things like adversity and change very well. Get him off schedule and he becomes a different QB. 

But hey, when he's 100% and has clean pockets with plenty of time to throw and open receivers downfield, he's really good. 

[C-Man 27234]

….yes you do. are you joking and i’m failing to pick up on it or something? Arch Manning was the third ever 1.000 QB and is seen as the pied piper by many of his peers.

No, he wasn’t. He wasn’t even the #1 QB in his class. (Please note that I agree with you on th rest of this matter.)

[Derka 6265]

7 minutes ago, mwaadeeb said:

It'd be less silly than demanding input after they drafted him.

every single recruit who has ever been recruited to any school ever has mapped out a plan for how they will be used by the HC/team. this has never been more true than when Arch Manning, the heir to the Manning Dynasty, chose his college and his college head coach. to think that that family is just sitting at home with their fingers crossed, oblivious to what Sark’s plans are for Arch is wild. a huge part of us landing Arch was our ability and willingness to go along with what the Manning family wants for Arch.

again, this is truly one of the most bizarre takes i’ve ever seen.

[jimmyjazz 45985]

24 minutes ago, Goredho said:

I’m not saying Arch should start if Quinn is healthy, but we aren’t winning another game if our offensive game plan is limited to what we were capable of in the 4th quarter yesterday.

Wait, you're saying we aren't winning another game, all of which will be against Top 20 opponents (or so), if we never pass the ball?  Well, that's breaking news.

[Hornsome 218]

12 minutes ago, Derka said:

….yes you do. are you joking and i’m failing to pick up on it or something? Arch Manning was the third ever 1.000 QB and is seen as the pied piper by many of his peers. he could have gone to any school he wanted to, do you seriously think that he and his family had zero input on how the coach plans to utilize him, particularly *this* family? the Mannings have always wanted Arch to redshirt, backup quinn for a year, and then take over in 2025. it’s not like this is even speculation, this is known. but that seems silly to you? the royal family of quarterbacks has the no.1 qb recruit in the nation heading for college and you think its silly that they would have input on how Arch gets used?

it’s like every day someone tries to set a new bar for most bizarre take in this thread

When Manning signed with Texas the thinking (consensus) was Quinn would light it up in 2023 and would be an early first round draft pick.  Quinn got hurt and decided to stay this year to improve his draft position as last year’s qb draft was deep.  The Mannings were ok with Arch backing up this year but that wasn’t the “plan” when he signed.

 

 

[dcar00 14293]

1 minute ago, TwiceHorn said:

Yeah and if he had been a bit lighter on his feet on that strip/score, he might have sidestepped the guy that tipped the ball when he had it low.  He went kind of nuts after that overthinking everything.

agreed. I think QE is "late" on throws a fair bit and this is causing some of these strips.  I think he is late on deep balls also.  he has the arm but he seems to want to put too much air under them and have the receiver catch the ball in the end zone/way down field vs. hitting him sooner with a lower trajectory.  but I admit it is hard to know because we don't know the nuances of what Sark is looking for on a play.

It is nitpicking.  assuming he wins the games the backups won over the last 3 years he is 30-8. won a big 12 championship, made the playoffs now 2 years in a row.  He's doing something right.  He has had a 2-3 bad halves this year but other than that has been basically money.

Sark get paid the big money to make sure Manning is ready when needed and to make the call.

[Derka 6265]

3 minutes ago, C-Man said:

 

No, he wasn’t. He wasn’t even the #1 QB in his class. (Please note that I agree with you on th rest of this matter.)

 

 

 

[B00M 6420]

10 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

He had one dropped snap. He hurt himself late 1Q/early 2Q.. Probably stiffened up at half, but 1 fumbled snap in like 40-50 snaps isn’t “all over the place”. The hyperbole is reaching peak Surly levels early this morning 

I thought he fumbled one, then mishandled another that turned into that fum/pick6, and made a couple absolute WTF short passes, one being backwards, the other being just insanely inaccurate. He was absolutely all over the place when our RBs were busy fumbling. 

[mwaadeeb 1229]

1 minute ago, Derka said:

every single recruit who has ever been recruited to any school ever has mapped out a plan for how they will be used by the HC/team. this has never been more true than when Arch Manning, the heir to the Manning Dynasty, chose his college and his college head coach. to think that that family is just sitting at home with their fingers crossed, oblivious to what Sark’s plans are for Arch is wild. a huge part of us landing Arch was our ability and willingness to go along with what the Manning family wants for Arch.

again, this is truly one of the most bizarre takes i’ve ever seen.

Of course they sat down and mapped it out. Of course they stay in touch. Of course they have input. 

It's the whole myth of "the deal" that makes me laugh. And you make me laugh. When you have to make up shit you lose.

[B00M 6420]

7 minutes ago, C-Man said:

 

No, he wasn’t. He wasn’t even the #1 QB in his class. 

 

[HtownHorn 14732]

15 minutes ago, B00M said:

I thought he fumbled one, then mishandled another that turned into that fum/pick6, and made a couple absolute WTF short passes, one being backwards, the other being just insanely inaccurate. He was absolutely all over the place when our RBs were busy fumbling. 

He did, he dropped a snap before the scoop and score. I want to say to happened on the play where he threw a backward pass out of bounds. Lead to the missed FG.

We are getting Casey Thompson level performance from Quinn this season. The biggest difference is the defense is elite and we have a much better OL than year one.

Edited 1 hour ago by HtownHorn

[SarkAfterDark 1691]

Worthy got a lot off flack for not being able to track Quinn deep balls. In hindsight it seems like it was a minor miracle he was in the vicinity of most of them. Honestly not sure how Quinn can be this bad, it has to be in his head. I don't know if he is or isn't but he should be repping them endlessly after practice at this point.

[MissingInAction 25113]

Wishes he was Bernie Kosar.

[Red Five 40873]

1 minute ago, SarkAfterDark said:

Worthy got a lot off flack for not being able to track Quinn deep balls. In hindsight it seems like it was a minor miracle he was in the vicinity of most of them. Honestly not sure how Quinn can be this bad, it has to be in his head. I don't know if he is or isn't but he should be repping them endlessly after practice at this point.

It's like watching a basketball player with an insane vertical not be able to dunk. He has pinpoint accuracy in leading a receiver upfield, but as soon as he hits a certain distance he might as well have his eyes closed when throwing it. Really strange. 

[MrBig 5421]

39 minutes ago, mwaadeeb said:

You don't hand over your kid, trusting the coach, and then say oh by the way this is when and how we want him to play. Silly.

14 minutes ago, mwaadeeb said:

Of course they sat down and mapped it out. Of course they stay in touch. Of course they have input. 

[jimmyjazz 45985]

20 minutes ago, mwaadeeb said:

Of course they sat down and mapped it out. Of course they stay in touch. Of course they have input. 

It's the whole myth of "the deal" that makes me laugh. And you make me laugh. When you have to make up shit you lose.

Here's where the concept of "the deal" falls apart -- when Quinn got hurt.  Arch had to step in and finish one game, then start and take every snap in two others.  I'm would strongly suspect the Manning family had no problem with that, it's football.

[TXs 226]

58 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

I think Sark is very aware of the outside noise and wanted to make it very clear he doesn't want a QB controversy.

Also I believe @TwiceHorn made a good observation. Quinn needs to be able to play dinged up and tough it out. 

This. Unless Quinn is very easily shitting the bed and and has lost the team, Sark will not pull him. It would be too easy to poison the well and negative recruit Texas for QBs after that. Quinn is only sitting if he's hurt or the game is out of reach. 

[Red Five 40873]

3 minutes ago, TXs said:

This. Unless Quinn is very easily shitting the bed and and has lost the team, Sark will not pull him. It would be too easy to poison the well and negative recruit Texas for QBs after that. Quinn is only sitting if he's hurt or the game is out of reach. 

He's hurt. 

[mwaadeeb 1229]

5 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Here's where the concept of "the deal" falls apart -- when Quinn got hurt.  Arch had to step in and finish one game, then start and take every snap in two others.  I'm would strongly suspect the Manning family had no problem with that, it's football.

Yep. These people have been around football long enough to know how silly some deal would be. You have to run with it. Everybody on this board -- hell CTJ was calling anyone an idiot who disagreed -- though Quinn would be gone last year. 

[Jkwellborn 6713]

No coach in the NCAA is going to bench a 3-year starter for a road game at a big rival with the conference championship game on the line unless that starter is physically unable to play the game. I’m not repping for Quinn and I have grave doubts about us winning with him in College Station, but Sark is doing what any other coach would do. Arch is mature beyond his years and our future, but no coach is going to put him in that position unless there is no choice. 

Laughs in Saban.

[Levi 2587]

1 hour ago, Magus Ossis said:

At this point Sark has had two years to get Arch, by almost all accounts 5-star material, ready. If he isn't ready, that is quite an indictment of our supposed QB-guru HFBC. Much more of an indictment than the inability to keep a freshly re-injured starter as the guy. Is Arch such a huge recruiting and development miss that he can't outplay an injured pocket passer who lacked a credible long-ball threat before getting hurt? Don't let the CCG or CFP be Arch's first tough start.

Being a 5 start doesn’t automatically mean the development to the next level will be easier and it’s not necessarily an indictment on Sark as qb guru either. We gotta remember that Sark runs a pro style offense and it was evident Arch wasn’t close to ready his freshman year. At this I’m not sure if Sark is being stubborn or if Arch is on a longer development curve than expected. There’s evidence for both and in all likelihood it’s probably a mixture of the two. But Arch has played 2 1/2 games already and had a big moment against Georgia. Arch isn’t dumb and more than likely realizes that if he hits the underneath route against Georgia and we get at least 3 on that drive, he’s in the driver seat right now. Or maybe not and Sark brings Ewers back out. But I do think Arch should be fine when or if his name is called no matter the situation. 

[Codaxx 5788]

47 minutes ago, B00M said:

I thought he fumbled one, then mishandled another that turned into that fum/pick6, and made a couple absolute WTF short passes, one being backwards, the other being just insanely inaccurate. He was absolutely all over the place when our RBs were busy fumbling. 

Fumble one snap and then threw it backwards. Fumbled on the rusher knocking it hit of his hands. 

Edited 1 hour ago by Codaxx

[Newy25 7697]

Ewers getting an MRI today per Anwar 

[AeroHorn 753]

All the people clamoring for Arch are failing to understand that QB play is more than just deep balls and running around in the backfield. KY's FR QB did that and has earned Derka's full praise. It would be quite sad (God forbid) if Arch turns out to be not much more than white Milroe. Couple of games of KY QB/Milroe are enough for DCs to scheme against them. See yesterday's Milroe game as an example.

[Newy25 7697]

2 minutes ago, AeroHorn said:

All the people clamoring for Arch are failing to understand that QB play is more than just deep balls and running around in the backfield. KY's FR QB did that and has earned Derka's full praise. It would be quite sad (God forbid) if Arch turns out to be not much more than white Milroe. Couple of games of KY QB/Milroe are enough for DCs to scheme against them. See yesterday's Milroe game as an example.

That’s all fine and correct except for the fact that Ewers is incredibly easy to scheme against as well. So that’s really not a great point of differentiation. 

[AeroHorn 753]

1 minute ago, Newy25 said:

That’s all fine and correct except for the fact that Ewers is incredibly easy to scheme against as well. So that’s really not a great point of differentiation. 

Well, he is being schemed with 3-deep and despite our limited RB play due to injuries/fumbles, he has led us to where we are today.

[B00M 6420]

8 minutes ago, AeroHorn said:

All the people clamoring for Arch are failing to understand that QB play is more than just deep balls and running around in the backfield. KY's FR QB did that and has earned Derka's full praise. It would be quite sad (God forbid) if Arch turns out to be not much more than white Milroe. Couple of games of KY QB/Milroe are enough for DCs to scheme against them. See yesterday's Milroe game as an example.

I mean, OU and Venables being able to scheme and play elite defense is who they were supposed to be this year. Most teams can’t do that. Milroe tore up Georgia (for a half at least) and LSU. 

Edited 44 minutes ago by B00M

[Codaxx 5788]

59 minutes ago, SarkAfterDark said:

Worthy got a lot off flack for not being able to track Quinn deep balls. In hindsight it seems like it was a minor miracle he was in the vicinity of most of them. Honestly not sure how Quinn can be this bad, it has to be in his head. I don't know if he is or isn't but he should be repping them endlessly after practice at this point.

He does not lead the WRs to open space on his deep ball. He makes it harder on himself than it needs to be. The throw to Wingo is a prime example. Wingo beats his man to the inside. There is space to throw it towards the middle of the field. Quinn throws it short and  to the outside. Throw it inside and Wingo can flatten the route and make the catch. Similar on the moon ball to Bond. 

Edited 42 minutes ago by Codaxx

[bschoolprof 6265]

Quinn out for aggy apparently.  

[MissingInAction 25113]