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3 hours ago, TheBryMan81 said:

Here's the entire play on skycam

 

 

an aggy fan tried to tell me that the backside safety's hit on Bond isn't targeting because he was "making a play on the ball". Derp 😑

Also, watch the U get leveled by the LB's drop into coverage. Ass over elbows.

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22 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

Quinn made some mistakes this game, but the vast majority of the issues with ASU are absolutely on Sark. Quinn also played lights out when it mattered most so agree. 

We just can't have coaching and QB blunders like we did against ASU and hope beat OSU. We fucking won't. 

Quinn was far from perfect but yea he bailed sark out for the fourth quarter to the finish.  I don’t understand how sark is such a guru with his struggles 

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Just now, closetohumping said:

Quinn was far from perfect but yea he bailed sark out for the fourth quarter to the finish.  I don’t understand how sark is such a guru with his struggles 

Well, for starters, we don't know if it's the play-calling or in-game adjustments (ie audibles) that aren't being made.

On 4th & 13, QE did everything right. What plays should he check into on downs when he doesn't get the look Sark is expecting? Did the OL/pass pro miss an assignment? Did the receivers switch to a hot route when necessary? Many unknown variables to consider.

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Seems to me the window for that INT throw was incredibly tight.  Don't lead Bond (esp with the float)?  Pursuing CB makes the INT.  Put it out in front?  Closing safety has a chance.

I'm in agreement that Ewers should have gone with the shorter throw to Golden that would have locked up a first down.  But, crossing route, which is mostly anathema to Ewers (save maybe Helm).

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4 hours ago, TheBryMan81 said:

Here's a split second later in the video. After Quinn releases it, Bond accelerates away from the CB and has at least two steps on him and is running away from him

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I think it was the right read and the space was there, just needed less float on it.

 

4 hours ago, Codaxx said:

That isn one thing being ignored. Bond is locked up by the CB on this. At no point is the corner out of phase. The last picture it is hard to find the CB, because he is dead lock step with Bond (over the top). There is safety help. It’s not the throw you are looking for in that situation. Trailing with 6 minutes to go, you can argue about taking a shot. Leading by 8 with 6 minutes to go priority #1 is ball security and priority #2 is the first down. 

Yep. Bond's only sep was on the break but the CB was still on top of him so he recovered.

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24 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

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Ward and Shadeur are the clear top tier. Gabriel and Leonard are odd. I get PFF rating Gabriel high based on play, but it’s the physical traits that have him lower. Not sure the Leonard ranking. Beck, Milroe, and Ewers seem like the second tier. Hard to argue about the order there. 

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3 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

Ward and Shadeur are the clear top tier. Gabriel and Leonard are odd. I get PFF rating Gabriel high based on play, but it’s the physical traits that have him lower. Not sure the Leonard ranking. Beck, Milroe, and Ewers seem like the second tier. Hard to argue about the order there. 

Beck and Milroe can't read defenses imo.

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5 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

Ward and Shadeur are the clear top tier. Gabriel and Leonard are odd. I get PFF rating Gabriel high based on play, but it’s the physical traits that have him lower. Not sure the Leonard ranking. Beck, Milroe, and Ewers seem like the second tier. Hard to argue about the order there. 

Leonard is big and mobile.  Just like Milroe 

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Who the fuck is that guy?

lol that is a trash list.

Leonard… Gtfo out of here. Have any of you watched him play…. You have to be able to pass the ball. 

Will Howard…. Gtfo out of here. We have seen him enough to know who he is. 

Gabriel is going to get knocked on measurable. Very good player.

If that is the list, QE is going 3/4 depending on Gabriel. 

 

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3 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

Leonard is big and mobile.  Just like Milroe 

lol… no. He is nothing like Milroe. Milroe is bigger, a better athlete and has a cannon…. Now maybe he likes throwing to the other team at times but he is everything Leonard wishes he was as an athlete.

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10 minutes ago, Fico said:

lol… no. He is nothing like Milroe. Milroe is bigger, a better athlete and has a cannon…. Now maybe he likes throwing to the other team at times but he is everything Leonard wishes he was as an athlete.

Leonard is two inches taller.  So I wouldn’t say Milroe is bigger.  More yolked?  Ok.  How’s that working out for Richardson.  I’ll be shocked if Milton’s combine numbers are close to ARs

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22 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Beck and Milroe can't read defenses imo.

Milroe can’t, but special athlete. Beck is on par with Quinn. It will be interesting to how scouts think about him. He has a bad WR corp (led nation in drops) and a massive downgrade at OC 

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2 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

Milroe can’t, but special athlete. Beck is on par with Quinn. It will be interesting to how scouts think about him. He has a bad WR corp (led nation in drops) and a massive downgrade at OC 

I'm not in the habit of defending Beck nor Georgia.. but their WRs had the worst hands of any WR room in college football and yes, I'm including Texas. 3-4 BIG ones and 2-3 more every game it seemed.

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4 hours ago, Longhornlove said:

You make some decent points but the one I quoted wasn't one of them. You might be one of like 5 people to have seen that play on the planet and think it "really wasn't a good throw".

Thought I said it was a great play, which includes the context and result.  So that overriding theme is the ultimate takeaway.  The objective is to make it catchable.  He did.

What we don’t know is whether Ewers short armed because he was tense or because he knew Golden had them easily beat.  We do know that a vertical route is not one that is typically a basket catch caught at near the WRs waist with his back almost to the goalline.  If we want call the Helm TD versus Clemson a “great” throw, then it’s fair to say this not is not good.  It’s subjective.  It’s semantics.  I’m talking how you practice it, how you want to throw it given the expected defense.  The throw itself was ok but the result was great.  In my opinion.

I know you believe Ewers saved Sarks ass and it was all Ewers (I don’t believe you fully think this). His best work was pre-snap.  But post snap Golden was the primary reason it was successful.  Oh and the pocket was pristine.  And the throw was catchable.  

The QBs primary goal is to throw a catchable ball.  Then you can evaluate from there.

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8 minutes ago, Had Enough said:

Thought I said it was a great play, which includes the context and result.  So that overriding theme is the ultimate takeaway.  The objective is to make it catchable.  He did.

What we don’t know is whether Ewers short armed because he was tense or because he knew Golden had them easily beat.  We do know that a vertical route is not one that is typically a basket catch caught at near the WRs waist with his back almost to the goalline.  If we want call the Helm TD versus Clemson a “great” throw, then it’s fair to say this not is not good.  It’s subjective.  It’s semantics.  I’m talking how you practice it, how you want to throw it given the expected defense.  The throw itself was ok but the result was great.  In my opinion.

I know you believe Ewers saved Sarks ass and it was all Ewers (I don’t believe you fully think this). His best work was pre-snap.  But post snap Golden was the primary reason it was successful.  Oh and the pocket was pristine.  And the throw was catchable.  

The QBs primary goal is to throw a catchable ball.  Then you can evaluate from there.

 the ball is definitely under thrown and catchable. The later being the important thing. The former will now probably result in 2 pages of mental masturbation on whether it was 1 yard under thrown or 1.015 yards under thrown  

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5 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

 the ball is definitely under thrown and catchable. The later being the important thing. The former will now probably result in 2 pages of mental masturbation on whether it was 1 yard under thrown or 1.015 yards under thrown  

Yeah probably.  That was not my intent.  And it doesn’t matter ultimately.  All did their job to success.

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32 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

Milroe can’t, but special athlete. Beck is on par with Quinn. It will be interesting to how scouts think about him. He has a bad WR corp (led nation in drops) and a massive downgrade at OC 

There are a lot of parallels between Quinn and Beck. WR ball drops. Reads. INT streaks. Odd play calls. Injuries. Good defense. Hot women. Fast cars. I'm not being silly either. It's really odd and I think they are the most similar comparison out there 2024.

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33 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

Milroe can’t, but special athlete. Beck is on par with Quinn. It will be interesting to how scouts think about him. He has a bad WR corp (led nation in drops) and a massive downgrade at OC 

Naw buddy. Beck has 12 interceptions and they are legit interceptions. 5 of Quinn's balls were batted INTs. One was a wrong shoulder throw that Bond deflected. Beck gets confused by coverages. Quinn has probably 4 balls where you say he didn't see what was going on.

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2 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

There are a lot of parallels between Quinn and Beck. WR ball drops. Reads. INT streaks. Odd play calls. Injuries. Good defense. Hot women. Fast cars. I'm not being silly either. It's really odd and I think they are the most similar comparison out there 2024.

Nothing the same. At all. Beck throws Milroe INTs. Where you are wondering what they are looking at. Quinn has only had a couple like that this season.

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7 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Naw buddy. Beck has 12 interceptions and they are legit interceptions. 5 of Quinn's balls were batted INTs. One was a wrong shoulder throw that Bond deflected. Beck gets confused by coverages. Quinn has probably 4 balls where you say he didn't see what was going on.

I know prior to playoffs Quinn turned it over more than Beck. That is with a much better scheme (imagine going from Monken to Bobo), WR corp, and run game (especially with Etienne missing time).  I don’t think either are very good post snap. 

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11 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Naw buddy. Beck has 12 interceptions and they are legit interceptions. 5 of Quinn's balls were batted INTs. One was a wrong shoulder throw that Bond deflected. Beck gets confused by coverages. Quinn has probably 4 balls where you say he didn't see what was going on.

Spin this however you want buddy. But here are the numbers:

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12 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

Beck has better receivers?

Lol, sure that's the reason. That along with the fact that Quinn is only responsible for 30% of the INTs he threw. We should bench all the starting Texas WRs. That'll fix it.

Per Sports Info Solutions, Georgia has an FBS-leading 36 drops this season, with Dominic Lovett (9) and Arian Smith (8) combining for 17 of them. For comparison's sake, the 36 drops are six more than the next power conference team (Kansas State) and 12 more than the next SEC team (Ole Miss).  

Georgia has the most clutch receivers in FBS

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19 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

Spin this however you want buddy. But here are the numbers:

That seems odd.  Quinn has 29 TD and 11 INTs, Beck has 28/12.  Beck has more yards (3,485 to 3,189) but on more attempts (448 to 406).  This gives Ewers a slight advantage on yards per attempt.  Ewers has the advantage on completion rate (66.5% to 64.7%).

Sports Reference has Ewers' rating at 150.6 to 145.3 for Beck.  That makes more sense to me.

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1 hour ago, closetohumping said:

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Random thoughts: 

I would be very nervous about Quinn's inability to stay healthy in college and high school.  Maybe you feel like you can coach him up on the deep ball, but you'd better plan on having the best O line in the league, too.

I truly do not understand what anyone sees in Shedeur Sanders to rank him that high, especially ahead of Milroe and Gabriel.  I think I'd have Sanders 8th on this list.

If I had to bet on any of these guys to have NFL starting jobs in 3 years, it's Cam Ward and Dillon Gabriel.  But I'm not even sure about them.  

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1 minute ago, jimmyjazz said:

That seems odd.  Quinn has 29 TD and 11 INTs, Beck has 28/12.  Beck has more yards (3,485 to 3,189) but on more attempts (448 to 406).  This gives Ewers a slight advantage on yards per attempt.  Ewers has the advantage on completion rate (66.5% to 64.7%).

Sports Reference has Ewers' rating at 150.6 to 145.3 for Beck.  That makes more sense to me.

Did you look at the drops by Georgia WRs I just posted? No clue how that gets factored into the math, but if it does that accounts for the variance.

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1 minute ago, TexArcher said:

Random thoughts: 

I would be very nervous about Quinn's inability to stay healthy in college and high school.  Maybe you feel like you can coach him up on the deep ball, but you'd better plan on having the best O line in the league, too.

I truly do not understand what anyone sees in Shedeur Sanders to rank him that high, especially ahead of Milroe and Gabriel.  I think I'd have Sanders 8th on this list.

If I had to bet on any of these guys to have NFL starting jobs in 3 years, it's Cam Ward and Dillon Gabriel.  But I'm not even sure about them.  

Sanders is tough.   He also is a much better passer than Milroe and is athletic enough.  

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4 minutes ago, TexArcher said:

Random thoughts: 

I would be very nervous about Quinn's inability to stay healthy in college and high school.  Maybe you feel like you can coach him up on the deep ball, but you'd better plan on having the best O line in the league, too.

I truly do not understand what anyone sees in Shedeur Sanders to rank him that high, especially ahead of Milroe and Gabriel.  I think I'd have Sanders 8th on this list.

If I had to bet on any of these guys to have NFL starting jobs in 3 years, it's Cam Ward and Dillon Gabriel.  But I'm not even sure about them.  

Ward and Gabriel are the two I'd look at if forced as a GM to take a QB this draft. I think Gabriel is more a Colt like perfect backup QB sort of player. I like him more than Ward but that's subjective. 

Sanders is the most talented physically for sure. 

2 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

Sanders is tough.   He also is a much better passer than Milroe and is athletic enough.  

I like Sanders a lot more than Milroe. They suffer from some of the same hero baller issues though.

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3 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

Ward and Gabriel are the two I'd look at if forced as a GM to take a QB this draft. I think Gabriel is more a Colt like perfect backup QB sort of player. I like him more than Ward but that's subjective. 

Sanders is the most talented physically for sure. 

I like Sanders a lot more than Milroe. They suffer from some of the same hero baller issues though.

From what I’ve read any of the first round qbs from last year would be rated higher than this group

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1 minute ago, jimmyjazz said:

Could be, I'm not motivated enough to dig into the math for each calculation.  

Me either. 

My point was they are extremely similar on the season. 6 of one half dozen...

Not that one is particularly better than the other and the numbers agree with that observation in yours or mine.

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11 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

That seems odd.  Quinn has 29 TD and 11 INTs, Beck has 28/12.  Beck has more yards (3,485 to 3,189) but on more attempts (448 to 406).  This gives Ewers a slight advantage on yards per attempt.  Ewers has the advantage on completion rate (66.5% to 64.7%).

Sports Reference has Ewers' rating at 150.6 to 145.3 for Beck.  That makes more sense to me.

Which makes the turnover rate favor Beck. Plus Quinn has more fumbles. Numbers are pretty similar. I think the intangibles favor Beck. He is the better athlete, less around him, and has a terrible OC. It’s not a hill I would die on though. The order on Milroe, Beck, and Quinn will come down to workouts, interviews, and if someone just falls in love with one of them (can totally see that with Milroe “I can fix him”). Quinn does have 2 games to make a statement though 

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4 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

I see someone claiming this is the worst QB class in 30 years. I am not sure that is true, but it’s fair to say it’s pretty shitty 

Posted this in another thread but some guy on the radio said “Allar could be the #1 pick if he came out now?  Why take the chance in 2026 in the arch manning draft?”

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5 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

Did you look at the drops by Georgia WRs I just posted? No clue how that gets factored into the math, but if it does that accounts for the variance.

A Quick Look at PFF shows Ewers with 76% adjusted completion %.  Beck at 75%.  I’m rounding so it’s less than 1%. 

Average depth of target has Beck at 8.8.  Ewers at 7.8.

For my team, I’d take Ewers now and the next level over Beck. But there are numbers to say take Beck.  For either, the right situation is more important.

 

I am most intrigued with Dart.  Maybe he’s the next Matt Corral, but he’s mobile with good size and made some nice throws.  He’s got experience and improved year over year.  I’m not sure I’d take a QB top 5 unless I had my offensive roster built out otherwise.

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14 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

Which makes the turnover rate favor Beck. Plus Quinn has more fumbles. Numbers are pretty similar. I think the intangibles favor Beck. He is the better athlete, less around him, and has a terrible OC. It’s not a hill I would die on over though. The order on Milroe, Beck, and Quinn will come down to workouts, interviews, and if someone just lives in love with one of them (can totally see that with Milroe “I can fix him”). Quinn does have 2 games to make a statement though 

In Quinns defense he Beck had a much better run threat at RB and a better run blocking scheme. Flip side is all the drops Beck had by WRs. Beck also had that smoke show Miami volleyball (?) player to keep entertained and you can't hold that against him but it would have been a factor when I was 21.

The injury history is what I think will scare GMs the most about Quinn.

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