Game Thread Texas vs. #1 Alabama

[OU Sucks 8915]

14 minutes ago, BB65 said:

The refs absolutely can review if he was down prior to the ball leaving his hand. If the do find that he was down prior to passing then by rule if that happens in the endzone it is a safety. It should have also been reviewed since it was a potential scoring play,. All scoring plays are supposed to be reviewed. It was a bullshit call. It was a bullshit flag on Overshown. It was bullshit that it wasn't reviewed for being down prior to the pass. It was bullshit that intentional grounding wasn't originally called. If called it can be corrected by review. If not called it can't be corrected by review.

Sark was asked about the safety today and he said "the rule is they can't review it".  Maybe he wasn't talking about reviewing the intentional grounding and not his leg being down, though?

 

[utee94 15862]

1 minute ago, OU Sucks said:

Sark was asked about the safety today and he said "the rule is they can't review it".  Maybe he wasn't talking about reviewing the intentional grounding and not his leg being down, though?

 

I assume he's just parroting the official line from Saturday because he knows that questioning it won't make any difference.  If anything it'll just turn up the fuckery.

 

[Bobby Layne 270]

On 9/11/2022 at 12:21 PM, Horn Dog said:

And there you have it. Of course the morons in the booth didn’t choose to actually review the whole play. Couldn’t call their precious Heisman front runner down in the EZ. Noooo. Had to deflect, cover-up and make a bogus call they could then “correctly reverse” saving Bama from a humiliating safety. Our D deserves better than this shit. Our D scored two points and Bama should kick to us! Easily reviewable if you look at the right pic. Review guy should never do a Texas game, or any other. Whole crew needs to do high school or Jr high for one year and then have their games reviewed before they are allowed to come back. This B12 crew has bad history. If they played football this bad, they wouldn’t be playing D1. Think Saban would put up with a game called like this if he was on our end of this shit stick? 

[Bobby Layne 270]

On 9/11/2022 at 12:30 PM, po elvis said:

I believe if he was down, then the late hit on the QB stands.

The fact that we got the ball back in good enough field position to get three points out of it probably made it better for us. Yeah we could have gotten two points then maybe drive the field, but who knows. It gave us a very good chance at three as it was.

The non call PI and face mask were the killers.

 

Nope. You play to the whistle. Still on the refs to make the right call. 

[BB65 480]

27 minutes ago, Johnny Depp said:

Sark was asked about the safety today and he said "the rule is they can't review it".  Maybe he wasn't talking about reviewing the intentional grounding and not his leg being down, though?

The intentional grounding can't be called by review.  Whether a player is down or not can be reviewed and is reviewed all the time. Just because the player is in the endzone rules do not change.

Edited September 12, 2022 by BB65
wrong quote

[Js1 85568]

1 minute ago, BB65 said:

The intentional grounding can't be called by review.  Whether a player is down or not can be reviewed and is reviewed all the time. Just because the player is in the endzone rules do not change.

Since when do Big 12 officials care about rules? 

[Bobby Layne 270]

8 hours ago, TreatyOak said:

They just said on 104.9 that once the ref called targeting, it could not be reviewed for a potential safety. The idiot who called roughing/targeting screwed up the play and by rule, they should have advanced the ball 15 yards. By not advancing the ball, they were admitting that they totally screwed up. It really was the worst reffing I’ve seen from Big 12 officials and that’s saying a lot. 

Disagree. All scoring plays are reviewable. Proper Spotting of the ball and clock time stops games all the time. 

[BB65 480]

 

Freeze at 16 sec and see Bryce young's ankle is on the groud and hasn't started throwing motion.

[BB65 480]

not to mention the holding by 54 on Guilbeau in the endzone which is also a safety. Texas should have got 4 points on that play.

[HtownHorn 14776]

On 9/11/2022 at 8:05 AM, GreenspointTexas said:

Jamison was out of the game due to injury before Ewers even got hurt, right?

Nope, he got hurt in the 2Q, likely the drive after Texas tied it at 10-10.

[derpyhorndog 2573]

33 minutes ago, Bobby Layne said:

Disagree. All scoring plays are reviewable. Proper Spotting of the ball and clock time stops games all the time. 

Yup.

                    

Also....

                 

[Guadaloopy 11013]

[HtownHorn 14776]

On 9/11/2022 at 11:30 AM, po elvis said:

I believe if he was down, then the late hit on the QB stands.

The fact that we got the ball back in good enough field position to get three points out of it probably made it better for us. Yeah we could have gotten two points then maybe drive the field, but who knows. It gave us a very good chance at three as it was.

The non call PI and face mask were the killers.

 

They are punting from the 20, and Texas has super momentum with the defense scoring. Texas would have scored on the ensuing drive with the 2 points. We were fucked by the officials, Alabama easily committed over 20 penalties. 

[WhatTheBuck 28798]

1 hour ago, BB65 said:

 

Freeze at 16 sec and see Bryce young's ankle is on the groud and hasn't started throwing motion.

You mean :18, not :16. At :16 you can’t even see Young. But at :18 I think you’re right.

 

[BB65 480]

35 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

You mean :18, not :16. At :16 you can’t even see Young. But at :18 I think you’re right.

 

One click back You could see Young’s foot clearly without interruption of guilbeau’s foot. 

[JBJ 3664]

He's definitely not throwing towards #2 in that clip.  He's throwing back inside.

[Bevo&Pevo 5217]

 

[hookem48 4703]

15 minutes ago, JBJ said:

He's definitely not throwing towards #2 in that clip.  He's throwing back inside.

the clip that matters is from the back of the endzone, he sees #2 and is throwing at #2. Never in a million years was that going to be grounding.

[Hiphopopotamos 20885]

 

[Sawbonz 27587]

8 hours ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Whether he was knowingly throwing towards an eligible receiver has no bearing. Did the throw go in the direction of an eligible receiver or not?  That is what the officials decide.  Or, if it is deflected before the direction can be ascertained, a different set of rules takes over. 

You can’t make a pass when you are down

[taybo20 2878]

I need to write specs and his crew some hate mail. Also send them the rule book cause they suck ass

[HtownHorn 14776]

I just don't see how the Big 12 continues to send them out into games to fuck over kids.

[The Dog 44138]

SIAP:

 

[Js1 85568]

6 minutes ago, HtownHorn said:

I just don't see how the Big 12 continues to send them out into games to fuck over kids.

Oh my sweet summer child 

[Pato del Muerto 52592]

27 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

You can’t make a pass when you are down

I was isolating the grounding rule talk from the fact that he was down before the attempt. 

[Duane Moore 5249]

24 minutes ago, The Dog said:

SIAP:

 

That is nuts, even more than the NFL? Take that headline on the recruiting trail. When Arch starts playing we’ll be an even bigger draw. 

[taybo20 2878]

It's good to be one of the most loved and most hated...everyone is interested.

[40acredropout 2902]

29 minutes ago, The Dog said:

SIAP:

 

Is this true?  The Fox tweet said most streamed... that doesn't include television sets, which are the bulk of eyeballs, right?  

Either way, still significant and nice to let our nuts hang.  Unranked and we still break eyeball records.  Pay attention recruits.  

[Bama Llama 1450]

 By the way, Gus, Klatt & Co. and generally the whole Fox game coverage was head and shoulders above what we have been subjected to with CBS over the years. Mrs. Llama mutes the TV rather than listen to Gary Danielson. And CBS far overdoes replay, causing the viewer to miss the start if the next play. CBS interrupts live action with garbage stats and graphics ad nauseum. I’m also fairly sick of yelling Fowler and jibbajabba Herbstreit. Knowledgeable fuckers but talk too got damn much. I think CBS is phasing out.
 

Finally, for the record, I saw a safety, period. I was trying to estimate how far Burnip would free kick the ball and whether Nick would be better off having Reicherd just kick it off the tee and hope fir the best. Thank God that crew of eedjit refs won’t be in Tuscaloosa for next year’s game.

Edited September 13, 2022 by Bama Llama
Spelt badly

[The Dog 44138]

3 minutes ago, 40acredropout said:

Is this true?  The Fox tweet said most streamed... that doesn't include television sets, which are the bulk of eyeballs, right?  

Either way, still significant and nice to let our nuts hang.  Unranked and we still break eyeball records.  Pay attention recruits.  

Yeah I think that’s what they are referring to. 

[HtownHorn 14776]

31 minutes ago, Bama Llama said:

 By the way, Gus, Klatt & Co. and generally the whole Fox game coverage was head and shoulders above what we have been subjected to with CBS over the years. Mrs. Llama mutes the TV rather than listen to Gary Danielson. And CBS far overdoes replay, causing the viewer to miss the start if the next play. CBS interrupts live action with garbage stats and graphics ad nauseum. I’m also fairly sick of yelling Fowler and jibbajabba Herbstreit. Knowledgeable fuckers but talk too got damn much. I think CBS is phasing out.
 

Finally, for the record, I saw a safety, period. I was trying to estimate how far Burnip would free kick the ball and whether Nick would be better off having Reicherd just kick it off the tee and hope fir the best. Thank God that crew of eedjit refs won’t be in Tuscaloosa for next year’s game.

Yeah, we fully expect next year to be worse from an officiating standpoint.

[Make em eat Taco Bell 1549]

whining about refs is whiny and i don't appreciate it 99% of the time in football/basketball. However this game was a massive injustice moreso given the context of #1 vs. unranked.  Once in a lifetime chance really and was stolen from us. 

[Cairn Horn88 8283]

6 hours ago, FloridaHorn said:

As the targeting call was made, Overshown was standing upright and Young was on his head. It was physically impossible for either of them to have made contact above the neck and shoulders of the other player. That was the absolute worst targeting/roughing call I have ever seen.

Aren’t these referees graded after their games to determine if they are competent….or in this game….incompetent?

[TreatyOak 16419]

5 hours ago, Bobby Layne said:

Disagree. All scoring plays are reviewable. Proper Spotting of the ball and clock time stops games all the time. 

Huh. Well, I sure don't know. Erin Hogan said once the personal foul/targeting was called, it made all the other things non-reviewable. It's all besides the point at this part. 

[Cairn Horn88 8283]

4 hours ago, Guadaloopy said:

[Darth Tron 1123]

[Cairn Horn88 8283]

2 hours ago, Bevo&Pevo said:

 

Nick is full of shit.

[Billy Pilgrim 1984]

11 minutes ago, Cairn Horn88 said:

Nick is full of shit.

I guess he doesn’t listen well. Ref said it was explained to him by back judge wrong. Should’ve been just targeting, not roughing with targeting. That is why they reviewed it. He knows he was damn lucky to get out of that with just a field goal.

[T’Boo Ted Marshall 2740]

Aren’t these referees graded after their games to determine if they are competent….or in this game….incompetent?

Those grades go in the circular file sir.

[Cairn Horn88 8283]

3 minutes ago, Billy Pilgrim said:

I guess he doesn’t listen well. Ref said it was explained to him by back judge wrong. Should’ve been just targeting, not roughing with targeting. That is why they reviewed it. He knows he was damn lucky to get out of that with just a field goal.

Guess Nick just misremembered!

[ClubWhatever 12157]

Here’s a small data point about Alabama.  Their week 1 opponent lost 35-7 to something called Webber State.   

[BillyBadAss 189]

My take watching the review live was that it wasn't reviewable and the ref was trying to figure out a way to overturn because it was such a shit call.. that he made up the the bit about it being explained incorrectly so he could overturn it.
By the time he figured a way out, he just went with it and neglected to review the safety, or decided in the moment that he'd already bent the rules a bit and left it at that.

Have no idea if im right, but that's what I was thinking in the moment.

[WhatTheBuck 28798]

1 hour ago, taybo20 said:

It's good to be one of the most loved and most hated...everyone is interested.

Tell me about it.

[Jiggy-Z 3435]

2 minutes ago, BillyBadAss said:

My take watching the review live was that it wasn't reviewable and the ref was trying to figure out a way to overturn because it was such a shit call.. that he made up the the bit about it being explained incorrectly so he could overturn it.
By the time he figured a way out, he just went with it and neglected to review the safety, or decided in the moment that he'd already bent the rules a bit and left it at that.

Have no idea if im right, but that's what I was thinking in the moment.

Yeah, I don't think that's what they were doing. You are giving them too much credit like they were working off of a flow chart or decision tree.

[ClubWhatever 12157]

6 minutes ago, BillyBadAss said:

My take watching the review live was that it wasn't reviewable and the ref was trying to figure out a way to overturn because it was such a shit call.. that he made up the the bit about it being explained incorrectly so he could overturn it.
By the time he figured a way out, he just went with it and neglected to review the safety, or decided in the moment that he'd already bent the rules a bit and left it at that.

Have no idea if im right, but that's what I was thinking in the moment.

I buy it.  And the ref in the end zone should be suspended for incompetence or corruption. 

[Rip76 4947]

11 minutes ago, BillyBadAss said:

My take watching the review live was that it wasn't reviewable and the ref was trying to figure out a way to overturn because it was such a shit call.. that he made up the the bit about it being explained incorrectly so he could overturn it.
By the time he figured a way out, he just went with it and neglected to review the safety, or decided in the moment that he'd already bent the rules a bit and left it at that.

Have no idea if im right, but that's what I was thinking in the moment.

You’re completely right.

[cabowabo 4514]

17 minutes ago, BillyBadAss said:

My take watching the review live was that it wasn't reviewable and the ref was trying to figure out a way to overturn because it was such a shit call.. that he made up the the bit about it being explained incorrectly so he could overturn it.
By the time he figured a way out, he just went with it and neglected to review the safety, or decided in the moment that he'd already bent the rules a bit and left it at that.

Have no idea if im right, but that's what I was thinking in the moment.

Yep. And to that extent, I have to give the head ref some credit for BS’ing his way out of allowing Bama to keep the ball there. They botched that call, but it could have been a whole lot worse. 

[7KHorn 2636]

11 minutes ago, BillyBadAss said:

My take watching the review live was that it wasn't reviewable and the ref was trying to figure out a way to overturn because it was such a shit call.. that he made up the the bit about it being explained incorrectly so he could overturn it.
By the time he figured a way out, he just went with it and neglected to review the safety, or decided in the moment that he'd already bent the rules a bit and left it at that.

Have no idea if im right, but that's what I was thinking in the moment.

Yeah, I agree with this logic.  I remember just hoping refs would figure out a way to correct their ridiculous call during the review.  That end zone view where you see when ref threw flag is just ridiculous.  You ask any reasonable football fan about that play and they'll all agree it should have been a safety.

The interesting exercise imo is, if a safety had been called and Texas ended up winning (or not winning for that matter), would ANYONE still be discussing the play?

[Cairn Horn88 8283]

Listened to some Finebaum today…lots of Bama callers.   Most said it was a safety and they were lucky as hell to have won the game.  Refs really screwed up several calls.  Several gave Horns lots of credit for their play.

[jinx 2635]

11 hours ago, Pato del Muerto said:

You know what the narrative would be if Bryce young was knocked out of the game early and Texas went on to barely win. 

I want to know what the coverage of the hit would have been if it was a Overshown pile driving Bryce Young instead of Dallas Turner on Ewers.