Game Week Thread UTSA VS Texas 9/17/22

[Irieguy 1059]

2 minutes ago, Tex-19 said:

Where are your examples if you're so knowledgeable about the subject?

I haven’t found any in my datasets. 🎩

[Irieguy 1059]

3 minutes ago, sidis said:

do you know of a place that warehouses such data?  where do you expect to find empirical data on changes in betting lines that would allow for said analysis based on the subset of tens of thousands of games where one can find the specific parameters you lay out...namely the changes in betting lines for a game in which a start player is suddenly revealed to have been unexpectedly injured in the week between or that the player unexpectedly will be able to play after all?

Yes I do. ✅

Edited September 16, 2022 by Irieguy

[JFKFC 4882]

1 hour ago, Irieguy said:

No single player in the history of football is worth 11 points. 

1 hour ago, Irieguy said:

No single player in the history of football is worth 11 points. 

[NoName 16352]

14 minutes ago, Irieguy said:

Sorry for the confusion, I was looking for an actual line move not a hypothetical created by a random poster. If it’s fairly common, it should be easy to find. 

you are trying (and failing) to move the goal posts here because you made a dumbass comment.

the dumbass comment was:

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No single player in the history of football is worth 11 points. 

and quickly an example was pointed out (VY > Matt N) which you have conveniently ignored.

no one has said an 11 point swing was or should be common. but that wasn't what you asked, you said "no single player in the history of football is worth 11 points" - which is a whole different request than "SHOW ME WHEN IT HAPPENED"

[conVINCEd 21469]

2 minutes ago, kevwun said:

It would require the qb getting hurt in practice during the week after the lines had already come out and also having a really bad backup.  QB's getting hurt during practice isn't very common since they aren't allowed to be hit.

And it was a contact injury on the QB you would also have to factor in a defensive player on that team being suspended indefinitely for an undisclosed violation of team rules.

[sidis 9828]

1 minute ago, Irieguy said:

Yes I do. ✅

feel free to share.

thx!

[Irieguy 1059]

1 minute ago, NoName said:

you are trying (and failing) to move the goal posts here because you made a dumbass comment.

the dumbass comment was:

and quickly an example was pointed out (VY > Matt N) which you have conveniently ignored.

no one has said an 11 point swing was or should be common. but that wasn't what you asked, you said "no single player in the history of football is worth 11 points" - which is a whole different request than "SHOW ME WHEN IT HAPPENED"

How can something that didn’t happen be an example? I’m genuinely curious. 

[Irieguy 1059]

3 minutes ago, conVINCEd said:

And it was a contact injury on the QB you would also have to factor in a defensive player on that team being suspended indefinitely for an undisclosed violation of team rules.

Are you suggesting the two teams would play twice in back to back weeks? 🤯🤯🤯 Or that a defensive player sacked his own QB? 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯

Edited September 16, 2022 by Irieguy

[NoName 16352]

8 minutes ago, Irieguy said:

I haven’t found any in my datasets. 🎩

if you actually have historical datasets around line movement from opening line to closing or opening to midweek to closing you should quite easily be able to tell us what the largest swings in those datasets are. it would be an incredibly easy way for you to prove your point.

but let's be honest, you don't or you would have already done so.

  

3 minutes ago, Irieguy said:

How can something that didn’t happen be an example? I’m genuinely curious. 

hey, you are the guy with the historical datasets. should be super easy to prove your point to all the hayseeds around here, right?

just take your existing data, add a column to subtract the closing line from the opening line, over a few years of data, sort that column largest to smallest, screenshot and post said screenshot in your next post!

Edited September 16, 2022 by NoName

[CowtownHorn 5126]

[Irieguy 1059]

Just now, NoName said:

if you actually have historical datasets around line movement from opening line to closing or opening to midweek to closing you should quite easily be able to tell us what the largest swings in those datasets are. it would be an incredibly easy way for you to prove your point.

but let's be honest, you don't or you would have already done so.

I’ll argue my side and you can feel to free to argue yours. 💥

[conVINCEd 21469]

1 minute ago, Irieguy said:

Are you suggesting the two teams would play twice in back to back weeks? 🤯🤯🤯 Or that a defensive player sacked his own QB? 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯

I’m suggesting that a defensive player who hits his own QB hard enough in practice to make him miss a game would be in the doghouse for a while

[CurlyDumps 4471]

8 minutes ago, kevwun said:

It would require the qb getting hurt in practice during the week after the lines had already come out and also having a really bad backup.  QB's getting hurt during practice isn't very common since they aren't allowed to be hit.

Not true though. Some lines come out earlier than a week in advance. For example, Draftkings currently has lines for 10 games next week.

[UncleBuck 6454]

[Enchubben 5510]

This is the worst tangent I’ve seen all week. Congrats guys. 
 

 

[Irieguy 1059]

Just now, Irieguy said:

I’ll argue my side and you can feel to free to argue yours. 💥

Just kidding. I have an example. When Vince Young was injured before the Colorado game the spread moved by 7 points. This “type” of example is fun! 🃏

[NoName 16352]

Just now, Irieguy said:

I’ll argue my side and you can feel to free to argue yours. 💥

so to be clear, you ain't got shit. no historical datasets (if you did you would quickly do the less than 60 seconds of work outlined above and prove all of us wrong), no nothing.

you just say dumb shit, then when called out on it say more dumb shit? why

 

[Hank_Hill 18807]

24 minutes ago, Irieguy said:

Surly: 11 point line swings in college football are not that uncommon after a QB injury 

Also Surly: Unable to provide a single example. Ever. 

Who the fuck said it was common?

[texifornia 56974]

This reminds me how much fun it is sitting next to people at a bar who are betting on the games.

And by fun I mean miserable.

[Herpa Derpa 6126]

3 minutes ago, NoName said:

you just say dumb shit, then when called out on it say more dumb shit? why

[Irieguy 1059]

2 minutes ago, NoName said:

so to be clear, you ain't got shit. no historical datasets (if you did you would quickly do the less than 60 seconds of work outlined above and prove all of us wrong), no nothing.

you just say dumb shit, then when called out on it say more dumb shit? why

 

Because the requirement isn’t on me to prove there’s never been an 11 point swing. The biggest I could find was 8. But nothing I’ve said is anywhere near as dumb as using a complete hypothetical as an example. That’s next level stupid. 🤷🏻‍♂️ I couldn’t be that stupid even as a troll. 😂😂😂

https://www.sportsoddshistory.com/college-football-odds/

[ztejas 43454]

7 minutes ago, Irieguy said:

Just kidding. I have an example. When Vince Young was injured before the Colorado game the spread moved by 7 points. This “type” of example is fun! 🃏

What the fuck are you talking about. Vince played 3/3 games against CU while at Texas. 

[Irieguy 1059]

1 minute ago, ztejas said:

What the fuck are you talking about. Vince played 3/3 games against CU while at Texas. 

Exactly. It never happened. Just like VY didn’t get injured before USC. Yet @NoName still used that as an example. He’s a retard. 

[ztejas 43454]

2 minutes ago, Irieguy said:

Because the requirement isn’t on me to prove there’s never been an 11 point swing. The biggest I could find was 8. But nothing I’ve said is anywhere near as dumb as using a complete hypothetical as an example. That’s next level stupid. 🤷🏻‍♂️ I couldn’t be that stupid even as a troll. 😂😂😂

https://www.sportsoddshistory.com/college-football-odds/

What the fuck is this shit? Historical futures odds? There isn't one single game point spread to be found there. Quit trolling. 

[NoName 16352]

5 minutes ago, Irieguy said:

Just kidding. I have an example. When Vince Young was injured before the Colorado game the spread moved by 7 points. This “type” of example is fun! 🃏

curious but when was that?

• in 2004, Texas beat Colorado 31-7, VY started and attempted 15 passes (no one else attempted any) - VY was still playing when the score was 31-7 in the 4th Q
• in October 2005, Texas beat Colorado 42-7, VY started and attempted 29 passes (Nordgren attempted 3) - VY was still playing when the score was 42-10
• in December 2005 in the B12 Conference Championship game Texas won 70-3, VY started and attempted 17 passes (Nordgren attempted 2) - VY was still playing when the score was 49-3.

[1leggedduck 443]

4 hours ago, Hookem2147 said:

That would be a really good problem to have. Being up big enough to where we have to debate putting Wright in would be a really good problem.

This is the right way to see it; I agree.

 

4 hours ago, pearlandhorn said:

If that video caused Sark to be uncomfortable and scared, we have the wrong coach.  Fuck UTSA.

We all saw Sark stare down the barrell of Saban's Bama squad, and the man did not flinch. I don't think anything UTSA has scares him. He should have his team ready.

[Irieguy 1059]

Just now, NoName said:

curious but when was that?

• in 2004, Texas beat Colorado 31-7, VY started and attempted 15 passes (no one else attempted any) - VY was still playing when the score was 31-7 in the 4th Q
• in October 2005, Texas beat Colorado 42-7, VY started and attempted 29 passes (Nordgren attempted 3) - VY was still playing when the score was 42-10
• in December 2005 in the B12 Conference Championship game Texas won 70-3, VY started and attempted 17 passes (Nordgren attempted 2) - VY was still playing when the score was 49-3.

Exactly. It never happened and can’t be used as an example. Just like you can’t use a hypothetical of VY getting injured before USC as an example. Retard. @NoName

[Js1 85347]

1 minute ago, NoName said:

in October 2005, Texas beat Colorado 42-7, VY started and attempted 29 passes (Nordgren attempted 3) - VY was still playing when the score was 42-10

Wow we were so good, they lost 3 points 

[NoName 16352]

5 minutes ago, Irieguy said:

Because the requirement isn’t on me to prove there’s never been an 11 point swing. The biggest I could find was 8. But nothing I’ve said is anywhere near as dumb as using a complete hypothetical as an example. That’s next level stupid. 🤷🏻‍♂️ I couldn’t be that stupid even as a troll. 😂😂😂

https://www.sportsoddshistory.com/college-football-odds/

these are futures odds. not historical odds. this proves literally nothing.

this information about Texas doesn't help with anything:

https://www.sportsoddshistory.com/cfb-team/?Team=Texas&sa=cfb

 

[Irieguy 1059]

1 minute ago, Js1 said:

Wow we were so good, they lost 3 points 

Exactly. @NoName is a dumb dumb. 

[ztejas 43454]

This was Can Newton's back-up QB in 2010.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/barrett-trotter-1.html

[utee94 15824]

The Mr. Gatti's discussion is way more interesting than the betting line discussion.

 

[NoName 16352]

5 minutes ago, Irieguy said:

Exactly. It never happened. Just like VY didn’t get injured before USC. Yet @NoName still used that as an example. He’s a retard. 

you said:

Quote

No single player in the history of football is worth 11 points. 

you didn't ask for examples of betting odds when it happened before lol

you made a dumbass comment, got called out on it.

you then said you had access to historical odds records but didn't share them when called out on it

you gave a link that had futures odds but no historical odds.

you made something up in another really shitty attempt to troll about VY getting hurt.

fuck off clown.

 

[Irieguy 1059]

2 minutes ago, utee94 said:

The Mr. Gatti's discussion is way more interesting than the betting line discussion.

 

So true. I did enjoy getting @NoName to dig up Colorado game details. A task he failed at. 

[Irieguy 1059]

1 minute ago, NoName said:

you said:

you didn't ask for examples of betting odds when it happened before lol

you made a dumbass comment, got called out on it.

you then said you had access to historical odds records but didn't share them when called out on it

you gave a link that had futures odds but no historical odds.

you made something up in another really shitty attempt to troll about VY getting hurt.

fuck off clown.

 

As long as you have learned that examples need to be events that actually happened then I’m happy. @NoName

Edited September 16, 2022 by Irieguy

[BarthHollamew 227]

[NoName 16352]

[WinningIsHard 4032]

 

this is how I feel reading the last page and a half 

[Surlian 79]

@immamac

 

Can we get a new thread created for this stupid shit? Quarantine it away. Absolutely awful posting, even by Surly standards. 

 Jesus 

[NoName 16352]

Just now, Surlian said:

@immamac

 

Can we get a new thread created for this stupid shit? Quarantine it away. Absolutely awful posting, even by Surly standards. 

 Jesus 

feel more than free to just nuke my dumbass posts for getting pulled offsides.

[Irieguy 1059]

1 minute ago, NoName said:

feel more than free to just nuke my dumbass posts for getting pulled offsides.

[DaysOff 7951]

This is the worst tangent I’ve seen all week. Congrats guys. 
 
 

If we lose this game I'm killing all these gambling line fucksticks.

[GTX Horn 1708]

[LTtxfan 49196]

[Wishbone 4762]

 

[closetohumping 17442]

[sidis 9828]

1 hour ago, Irieguy said:

Yes I do. ✅

 

1 hour ago, sidis said:

feel free to share.

thx!

I am starting to believe you were lying. Not sure what kind of perverse motivation would drive that. 

what an fascinatingly idiotic hill to die on.  To use this as a launching point to act like a complete clown is somewhat inexplicable. But the self-satisfied nature of your horseshit is certainly telling. 

[Irieguy 1059]

11 minutes ago, sidis said:

 

I am starting to believe you were lying. Not sure what kind of perverse motivation would drive that. 

what an fascinatingly idiotic hill to die on.  To use this as a launching point to act like a complete clown is somewhat inexplicable. But the self-satisfied nature of your horseshit is certainly telling. 

[Royale with cheese 1467]

14 minutes ago, sidis said:

 

I am starting to believe you were lying. Not sure what kind of perverse motivation would drive that. 

what an fascinatingly idiotic hill to die on.  To use this as a launching point to act like a complete clown is somewhat inexplicable. But the self-satisfied nature of your horseshit is certainly telling. 

Guys, guys:

 

[conVINCEd 21469]

 

while I make no apology fo thr my participation in the Mr. Gatti’s discussion, I do want to apologize for contributing to the point spread talk.