Nancy Pelosi is a badass MF and I want her to be Speaker

[Macanudo 13005]

The Dems should have given AOC the speaker slot 5 minutes before it was time to give it to McCarthy so he had to take it from someone other than Nancy. 

[WhatTheBuck 28795]

I think this is worth revisiting.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/13/opinion/nancy-pelosi-midterms-democrats-republicans.html
 

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Who’s Afraid of Nancy Pelosi?

By Paul Krugman. 
Aug. 13, 2018

Normally, a party that gives away $2 trillion without worrying about where the money will come from can buy itself at least a few votes. But Donald Trump’s tax cut remains remarkably unpopular, and Republicans barely mention it on the campaign trail — in fact, Democrats are running against the tax cut more than Republicans are running on it.

Nor are Republicans talking much about Trump’s trade war, which also remains unpopular.

What, then, does the G.O.P. have to run on? It can hype the supposed menace from illegal immigrants — but that hasn’t been gaining much traction, either. Instead, Republicans’ attack ads have increasingly focused on one of their usual boogeymen — or, rather, a boogeywoman: Nancy Pelosi, the former and possibly future speaker of the House.

So this seems like a good time to remind everyone that Pelosi is by far the greatest speaker of modern times and surely ranks among the most impressive people ever to hold that position. And it’s interesting to ask why she gets so little credit with the news media, and hence with the general public, for her accomplishments.

What has Pelosi achieved?

First, as House minority leader, she played a crucial role in turning back George W. Bush’s attempt to privatize Social Security.

Then she was the key figure, arguably even more crucial than President Barack Obama, in passing the Affordable Care Act, which produced a spectacular fall in the number of uninsured Americans and has proved surprisingly robust even in the face of Trumpian sabotage. She helped enact financial reform, which has turned out to be more vulnerable to being undermined, but still helped stabilize the economy and protected many Americans from fraud.

Pelosi also helped pass the Obama stimulus plan, which economists overwhelmingly agree mitigated job lossesfrom the financial crisis, as well as playing a role in laying the foundation for a green energy revolution.

It’s quite a record. Oh, and whenever you hear Republicans claim that Pelosi is some kind of wild-eyed leftist, ask yourself, what’s so radical about protecting retirement income, expanding health care and reining in runaway bankers?

It’s probably also worth noting that Pelosi has been untouched by allegations of personal scandal, which is amazing given the right’s ability to manufacture such allegations out of thin air.

So how does Pelosi stack up against the four Republicans who have held the speaker’s position since the G.O.P. took control of the House in 1994?

Newt Gingrich was a blowhard who shut down the government in a failed attempt to blackmail Bill Clinton into cutting Medicare, then led the impeachment of Clinton over an affair even as he himself was cheating on his wife.

Dennis Hastert, we now know, had a history of molesting teenage boys. Personal behavior aside, the “Hastert rule,” under which Republicans could support only legislation approved by a majority of their own party, empowered extremists and made America less governable.

John Boehner didn’t do much except oppose everything Obama proposed, including measures that were crucial to dealing with the aftermath of the financial crisis.

And Paul Ryan, the current but departing speaker, is a flimflam man: a fake deficit hawk whose one legislative achievement is a budget-busting tax cut, a fake policy wonk whose budget proposals were always obvious smoke and mirrors, pretending to address the budget deficit but actually just redistributing income from the poor to the rich. In the final act of his political career he has also shown himself to be a coward, utterly unwilling to stand up to Trump’s malfeasance.

Looking at modern House speakers, then, Pelosi stands out as a giant among dwarfs. But you’d never know that from her media coverage.

While in office, Hastert was generally portrayed as a stolid embodiment of middle-American values. Ryan was for years the recipient of fawning media coverage, which lauded him as the ultimate serious, honest conservative long after his phoniness was obvious to anyone who paid attention. But Pelosi is typically referred to as “divisive.” Why?

I mean, it’s true that she’s a political partisan — but no more so than any of the Republicans who preceded and followed her. Her policy stances are far less at odds with public opinion than, say, Ryan’s attempts to privatize Medicare and slash its funding. So what makes her “divisive”? The fact that Republicans keep attacking her? That would happen to any Democrat.

Or maybe it’s just the fact that she’s a woman — a woman who happens to have been far better at her job than any man in recent memory.

Does all this mean that Pelosi should become speaker again if Democrats retake the House? Not necessarily: You can make an argument for a new face despite her extraordinary record.

But her achievements really have been remarkable. It’s a sad commentary on Republicans that they have nothing to run on except demonizing a politician whose track record makes them look pathetic. And it’s a sad commentary on the news media that so much reporting echoes these baseless attacks.

 

[Satchel 6940]

4 hours ago, wildcat09 said:

Jeffries is a corporate Dem that formed a PAC with Josh Gottheimer (fuck him) to oppose progressive candidates and is tight with the Cuomo party machine that handed the GOP the majority. I hope his relative youth gives him a better understanding of the Republican party he's up against, but he may end up spending more time punching left against his base than Nancy did.

If he’s smart he’ll give as good as he gets. The progressive caucus is not shy about criticizing other Dem members with whom they disagree. To be impactful, he’ll need to follow Nancy’s blueprint for success which includes being both principled and pragmatic. When under pressure to support the party backed Democrat in the NYC  mayor’s race, Hakeem chose to support the most radically progressive candidate in the race. 
It would be foolish to prematurely judge him at the point.

[RomaVicta 29964]

5 hours ago, wildcat09 said:

Jeffries is a corporate Dem that formed a PAC with Josh Gottheimer (fuck him) to oppose progressive candidates and is tight with the Cuomo party machine that handed the GOP the majority. I hope his relative youth gives him a better understanding of the Republican party he's up against, but he may end up spending more time punching left against his base than Nancy did.

I've liked what little I've seen of Jefferies. I'm sure just about everybody has a few skeletons except AOC. 

I'll judge him on his merits from today on. I'm optimistic.

[lemonlime 5503]

7 hours ago, Js1 said:

ACA, BIB, IRA, ARRA, ARP. 

Without a doubt, one of the most effective speakers, wrangling very diverse caucuses under 4 different presidents. 

She deserves her farewell tour in 2023/2024 and then ride off into retirement. 

Yup.  But more than a little disturbing that her retirement is happening in the setting of her husband being almost killed in a politically motivated attack.  

[Satchel 6940]

3 hours ago, Macanudo said:

The Dems should have given AOC the speaker slot 5 minutes before it was time to give it to McCarthy so he had to take it from someone other than Nancy. 

Or the Dems should try to be as petty as Paul Ryan was about relinquishing the gavel to Nancy. He didn’t even show for the ceremony and left it to an underling to do.

[Brisketexan 105200]

Yup.  But more than a little disturbing that her retirement is happening in the setting of her husband being almost killed in a politically motivated attack.  

This. It is going to be seen by the terrorists as a reward for an assassination attempt, encouraging more of them.

[Pescado_Rojo 19427]

18 hours ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

I don't know but he seems kind of uppity.  And what kind of American names his son "Hakeem?"

"Sounds foreign. Has anyone checked his birth certificate?" - Facebook Uncles everywhere

[Michael Knight 12990]

Can anyone imagine this happening today, this is just 15 years and 4 presidents ago

 

 

[ohchaucer 1443]

Can anyone imagine this happening today, this is just 15 years and 4 presidents ago
 
 

That brings a literal tear to my eye - hard to imagine all that we’ve lost. And not just losing Nancy.

[jimmyjazz 46046]

4 minutes ago, ohchaucer said:

That brings a literal tear to my eye - hard to imagine all that we’ve lost. And not just losing Nancy.

"We" didn't lose shit.  "They" turned their back on the United States. 

[Mdhorn 5978]

17 hours ago, WhatTheBuck said:

I think this is worth revisiting.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/13/opinion/nancy-pelosi-midterms-democrats-republicans.html
 

 

May have already posted but apologies if this is a repeat.  I remember looking back to see when and why Pelosi became unpopular—what did she do? She was elected and was a D. The smears started as soon as she took office and they never stopped, but increased in rage.

[wildcat09 29364]

1 hour ago, Michael Knight said:

Can anyone imagine this happening today, this is just 15 years and 4 presidents ago

 

 

Fuck that. Those cunts literally stole an election and accused anyone who didn't support the Iraq war of treason.  That they played nice 1 day out of the year doesn't change that they were monsters.

[jimmyjazz 46046]

8 minutes ago, Mdhorn said:

May have already posted but apologies if this is a repeat.  I remember looking back to see when and why Pelosi became unpopular—what did she do? She was elected and was a D. The smears started as soon as she took office and they never stopped, but increased in rage.

Well, it starts with "Democrat" and ends in "female".

[safe sex 11741]

Let's not forget a black man was elected President not long after that moment

[Poe It Up 126]

1 hour ago, Michael Knight said:

Can anyone imagine this happening today, this is just 15 years and 4 presidents ago

 

 

Man I miss this guy. 

[Incredulity 11681]

26 minutes ago, Poe It Up said:

Man I miss this guy. 

The war criminal?---Surly Leftists in 2007

[safe sex 11741]

Yes, the war criminal  was a better president than Trump. Prob not to the families of the soldiers and civilians who died for his manufactured war, but at least he didn't try to overthrow the government.

Edited November 18, 2022 by trauma babe

[ohchaucer 1443]

"We" didn't lose shit.  "They" turned their back on the United States. 

Fair point. I’m meaning “we” as in society. Maybe even civilization altogether at this current trajectory.

[jimmyjazz 46046]

"Missing" W shows just how broken the American right wing really is.  

He was better than Trump.  It ain't a high bar.

[Poe It Up 126]

7 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

The war criminal?---Surly Leftists in 2007

Oh, for sure. They called him a Nazi his entire presidency. For being so progressive, they haven’t changed all that much. 

[Anastasis 23481]

 

Nancy Pelosi, Oct 3 2002

House Democratic Whip Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) issued the following statement this afternoon about the new Congressional resolution authorizing military force against Iraq:

"The decision of whether to send our brave men and women in uniform to war is the most solemn and serious choice we face as Members of Congress. Before putting our young people in harm’s way, we must be certain there is no other recourse.

"Because I do not believe we have exhausted all diplomatic remedies, I cannot support the Administration’s resolution regarding the use of force in Iraq. I am also extremely concerned about the impact of such action on our war against terrorism.

"A number of my colleagues are working on an alternative that I hope I can support. An acceptable alternative would require the United States to seek a multilateral diplomatic initiative before authorizing the use of force.

"As the ranking Democrat on the House Select Committee on Intelligence, I have seen no evidence or intelligence that suggests that Iraq indeed poses an imminent threat to our nation. If the Administration has that information, they have not shared it with the Congress.

"If we invade Iraq, we will show our military power. If we can eliminate the threat posed by weapons of mass destruction without invading, we will show our strength."

[Anastasis 23481]

For contrast, HRC on Oct 10, 2002

In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort and sanctuary to terrorists including Al Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security. This is a very difficult vote. This is probably the hardest decision I've ever had to make. Any vote that might lead to war should it be hard, but I cast it with conviction.

[mchookem 16358]

lol don't blame 'Surly Leftists' for the complete shitshow that the American right-wing has become... y'all did that allll by yourselves.

 

Edited November 18, 2022 by mchookem

[bernorange 8363]

1 hour ago, Mdhorn said:

May have already posted but apologies if this is a repeat.  I remember looking back to see when and why Pelosi became unpopular—what did she do? She was elected and was a D. The smears started as soon as she took office and they never stopped, but increased in rage.

I believe it was her role in getting the ACA passed that pegged the rage meters of many folk.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/nancy-pelosi-obamacare-leadership_n_5bfdc95de4b030172fa7f593

https://time.com/5832330/nancy-pelosi-obamacare/

[YGIFS 19452]

1 hour ago, Poe It Up said:

Man I miss this guy. 

I think history will end up judging his presidency a different way, but that's for another thread. 

/csb alert, but I gotta tell it because I get painted as a leftist commie nutjob (I am certainly the third one) by a huge swatch of this site.  Mrs. Bush was regaling us at the Texas Book Festival years ago with a story about that night in 2007.  This was around the time it looked like Pelosi would be passing the gavel off to Boehner.  And most of his administration loathed Pelosi, but George got along with almost everyone.  Anyway, he wanted to mark the occasion with exactly what he ended up saying, But Mrs. Bush says, he got some big pushback from his team about making too big a spectacle about Nancy---acknowledge the moment and move into your speech.  But George wanted to say more and soak up the history and let her have a couple of ovations.  As you can see, that's what happened.  But it wasn't supposed to go down like that.  He was just gonna say one quip with one quick clap, but he told Laura on the way to the Floor, "I'm gonna do it the way we talked about it, not the writer's way...for Jenna and Barbara and all our little girls."  Mrs. Bush telling the story from memory years later FWIW.  

I don't like Nancy Pelosi.  I don't like a lot of people, some of them happen to be women.  I also don't like that my daughter goes to a 'Girls in STEM' camp, or I introduced her to DAA winner who was "First Latina in this" or "First Woman to do that."  It shouldn't be labeled like that, but it is.  And that's fine.  But she has a full shelf of books and photographs and event programs signed by female astronauts, scientists, Pulitzer prize winners, Supreme Court Justices, Former First Ladies, Congresswomen, Councilwomen, Women's Olympic Medalists, et. al.  Things I have accrued since before she was born through waiting in long lines and calling in favors.  And when Pelosi steps down officially in January, we'll watch that and I'll try and get something signed by her for my daughters. 

For the very same reason President Bush made that gesture that night 15 years ago...because it's for all our little girls.  One day, the lines will be blurred and gone.  But for now?  Fuck yeah, we need to acknowledge the women pioneers who pulled the arrows out of their backs and kept marching on ahead to clear the path.  

The most understanding man I ever met was Jesus Christ.  The most intelligent man I ever met was Stephen Hawking.  The most interesting man I ever met was Don DeLillo.  And subjugating women never even occurred to any of them.  Pelosi's politics are fucking bullshit, but she's got backbone and patriotism...enough for me. 

[We’reTexas 1473]

45 minutes ago, bernorange said:

I believe it was her role in getting the ACA passed that pegged the rage meters of many folk.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/nancy-pelosi-obamacare-leadership_n_5bfdc95de4b030172fa7f593

https://time.com/5832330/nancy-pelosi-obamacare/

Yes, I agree. I mean the pre-MAGA tea partiers were deranged at all Dems at that point but it was the whole “pass the bill so we can read it” thing that made her a target. 

[mchookem 16358]

bottom line, especially compared to the men that have had that job over the last few decades... she's damn good at being Speaker of the fucking House.

[Longhorn_Fan68 33883]

hilarious that the GQP offerings have been so poor for so long people actually look at GWB's reign of terror/stupidity fondly. what a world

[Sawbonz 27582]

3 hours ago, mchookem said:

bottom line, especially compared to the men that have had that job over the last few decades... she's damn good at being Speaker of the fucking House.

Well she didn’t molest teenage boys

[Zepol87 9189]

5 hours ago, Incredulity said:

The war criminal?---Surly Leftists in 2007

Yea and very telling that the GWB "balance" is what we should strive for lol

[bernorange 8363]

NBC Bay Area report from Bigad Shaban reports:

1. San Francisco DA filed report claiming Pelosi opened door
2. DOJ claim officers opened door
3. Unnamed source that watched body cam footage claims Pelosi opened door

[GW Hayduke 1953]

This is an obvious coverup.  I’ll tell you who opened the door.  This is what the deep state libs are trying to hide.  Hunter Biden opened the door.  He was trying to get to his laptop that had Hillary’s emails about benganzi and proved Ukraine funds have been going to Sam Bankman-Fried

[HornOnTheBayou 8945]

Did Hunter Biden open the door with his massive dong? A lot of people are saying he did.

[YGIFS 19452]

2 hours ago, HornOnTheBayou said:

Did Hunter Biden open the door with his massive dong? A lot of people are saying he did.

Tall Dong answering the door from a jilted lover?  You're thinking of when Jake rings the bell and Duc answers in "Sixteen Candles."  Lotta people are saying it's John Hughes' second best film ever.  Lotta people.  

Edited November 20, 2022 by YGIFS

[Horn Under a Bad Sign 20469]

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi embraces former Washington Metropolitan Police officer Michael Fanone before the start of a ceremony honoring law enforcement officers who defended the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021.

[Bullneck 19196]

 

 

[Ghost of LL 15539]

On 11/18/2022 at 11:16 AM, Michael Knight said:

Can anyone imagine this happening today, this is just 15 years and 4 presidents ago

 

 

George W Bush is fundamentally a good man. He made mistakes. Most men do. Perhaps his errors outweigh his deeds. History will be the judge of that.

But I do think he is a good man.

[chainsaw 9873]

7 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

George W Bush is fundamentally a good man. He made mistakes. Most men do. Perhaps his errors outweigh his deeds. History will be the judge of that.

But I do think he is a good man.

[wildcat09 29364]

On 12/25/2022 at 6:32 PM, Ghost of LL said:

George W Bush is fundamentally a good man. He made mistakes. Most men do. Perhaps his errors outweigh his deeds. History will be the judge of that.

But I do think he is a good man.

C'mon man. Performing the most basic aspects of courtesy doesn't make one a good man. Even wanting to be a good man doesn't make one a good man. I think it's fair to say he wants to be a good man and in interpersonal relationships he probably tries to be a good man, but he did Iraq. That's too fucking big a "mistake" to earn consideration as a good man. Millions are dead and tens of millions have been crippled, displaced, or lost everything as a result of his decision, which was justified with lies and based entirely on his ego.

If you can do that, never atone for it, and still be called a good man, those words are meaningless. We need to expect more.

[safe sex 11741]

Not to mention his complete silence about Dotard.

[Longhorn_Fan68 33883]

44 minutes ago, safe sex said:

Not to mention his complete silence about Dotard.

he was too busy painting all the ghosts of the children he helped murder that haunt his dreams 🙄

[Longhorn_Fan68 33883]

oh and playing some sort of fucked up bromance game with Michelle Obama for pieces of candy like a circus monkey - at funerals, no less. good guy, though

Edited December 29, 2022 by Longhorn_Fan68

[Don Johnson 4755]

 

[Judge Roybeanbag 11819]

18 minutes ago, Don Johnson said:

 

You’re a fucking moron.  Go die in  a corner with your dunce hat.  

[bernorange 8363]

Damn.  That was brutal.

[HamsterHookah 112]

1 hour ago, Judge Roybeanbag said:

You’re a fucking moron.  Go die in  a corner with your dunce hat.  

Why did you respond like this? Is this a troll video and not the real thing?

[tigol 2399]

Damn.  That was brutal.

Yeah, tough to watch.

[Mdhorn 5978]

Reading some of the comments is even tougher.  On yahoo, it's far worse but that's what I get for looking at a public board.  I don't even want to imagine the comments on TexAgs.  Brutal, and really, really ugly.  I wish groups like Fox would watch this and say, hey, we were wrong and this is very concerning regarding prior violent rhetoric, while also claiming christian victimization at other times.  But, we all know what will win out.  Cheers, to hoping nobody dies.     

Edited January 27, 2023 by Mdhorn

[Satchel 6940]

https://twitter.com/AdamKinzinger/status/1619118780805976064?s=20&t=zMPvme2M8mYBltp_tw-qEg