Nancy Pelosi is a badass MF and I want her to be Speaker

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

I agree it shows weakness but the more I think about it, Nancy’s comments appear very calculated and deliberate.  Almost like she’s providing preemptive cover for all the shit that’s about to go down in the committees.   

Nancy be like, “Who is talking about impeachment?  We’re not talking about impeachment.  I don’t understand what the republicans’ problem is with oversight.”

[suddenly shaggy 929]

4 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

I agree it shows weakness but the more I think about it, Nancy’s comments appear very calculated and deliberate.  Almost like she’s providing preemptive cover for all the shit that’s about to go down in the committees.   

Nancy be like, “Who is talking about impeachment?  We’re not talking about impeachment.  I don’t understand what the republicans’ problem is with oversight.”

^ Exactly.

Impeachment is a political loser right now. It's a non-starter in the Senate and could increase the chances Trump is re-elected. 

Oversight of an administration that is increasingly being viewed as incompetent and corrupt is a political winner right now. It also might lead to enough evidence to make impeachment and removal viable. 

[Fozzz 152]

Impeachment will never be viable.  He either loses in 2020 or he serves till 2024.

[hayden_horn 11362]

3 hours ago, NBMisha said:

I think he meant phrenologist.

who's interested in feeling and interpreting the size of walt's asshole?

Edited March 12, 2019 by hayden_horn

[Pescado_Rojo 19425]

I think she's planning to lay his shit bare in committee hearings until the R's are begging her to impeach him while they still have enough time to line up a 2020 candidate. 

[Fozzz 152]

3 minutes ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

I think she's planning to lay his shit bare in committee hearings until the R's are begging her to impeach him while they still have enough time to line up a 2020 candidate. 

lmao

[Dbeasy 15072]

There are two things that are probably making impeachment impossible.

First, it’s probably impossible to snare Trump’s involvement in crimes. The whole collusion charge gets fuzzy fast when you start taking about opposition research. Same thing with obstruction of justice. It can be argued away. This isn’t the 1970’s. The charges have to be so clear and compelling that no one can refute them. I’ve also felt Trump would slip thru. He never writes anything down and never is caught talking about illegal activities.

Which leads to the second reason. Our politicians, and particularly the GOP, have lost all moral behavior. They don’t care if there were/are crimes. They just want to stay in power. Republicans today will never join with Democrats in going after Trump. Never. Look at what they did with Cohen’s testimony. They just try to muddy the water for voters.

Finally, our population is about 80% idiots. These people will believe whatever they’ve been told, watched or read.

[Biff Tannen 45692]

1 minute ago, Dbeasy said:

There are two things that are probably making impeachment impossible.

First, it’s probably impossible to snare Trump’s involvement in crimes. The whole collusion charge gets fuzzy fast when you start taking about opposition research. Same thing with obstruction of justice. It can be argued away. This isn’t the 1970’s. The charges have to be so clear and compelling that no one can refute them. I’ve also felt Trump would slip thru. He never writes anything down and never is caught talking about illegal activities.

Which leads to the second reason. Our politicians, and particularly the GOP, have lost all moral behavior. They don’t care if there were/are crimes. They just want to stay in power. Republicans today will never join with Democrats in going after Trump. Never. Look at what they did with Cohen’s testimony. They just try to muddy the water for voters.

Finally, our population is about 80% idiots. These people will believe whatever they’ve been told, watched or read.

I agree with all of this except the obstruction part.  He admitted it on national television because he is a moron.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

Uh, the case for obstruction of justice is about as lock solid as it could possibly be and there's probably a mountain of evidence to support the case the public hasn't seen. 

Trump's subordinates even decided not to follow Trump's orders to fire Mueller because they didn't want to be part of a conspiracy to obstruct justice. 

Edited March 12, 2019 by Hugo Stiglitz

[Pig Bellmont 8719]

17 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

There are two things that are probably making impeachment impossible.

First, it’s probably impossible to snare Trump’s involvement in crimes. The whole collusion charge gets fuzzy fast when you start taking about opposition research. Same thing with obstruction of justice. It can be argued away. This isn’t the 1970’s. The charges have to be so clear and compelling that no one can refute them. I’ve also felt Trump would slip thru. He never writes anything down and never is caught talking about illegal activities.

Which leads to the second reason. Our politicians, and particularly the GOP, have lost all moral behavior. They don’t care if there were/are crimes. They just want to stay in power. Republicans today will never join with Democrats in going after Trump. Never. Look at what they did with Cohen’s testimony. They just try to muddy the water for voters.

Finally, our population is about 80% idiots. These people will believe whatever they’ve been told, watched or read.

It’s all about re-election. The moment GOP seats are in jeopardy for supporting Trump, is the moment Senate Rs jump ship. I have enough faith in a majority of Republican voters that they do not want to support a criminal OR someone who is easily bribed by foreign officials. (whynotboth.gif) Granted, some people are lost forever. But I believe transparency and real oversight can have significant impact on GOP registered voter support. 

[elfenix 34326]

there's plenty of people who think that obstruction isn't actually a crime.  it'd be like trying to get a conviction for the code violation of using an extension cord as permanent wiring.

clear quid pro quo with the emoluments clause is something more people think is wrong, but, again, lots think all politicians do it #bothsides so they'll shrug their shoulders.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

Just now, elfenix said:

there's plenty of people who think that obstruction isn't actually a crime.  it'd be like trying to get a conviction for the code violation of using an extension cord as permanent wiring.

Do those people consider these things crimes:

witness tampering, suborning perjury, witness intimidation, retaliation against witnesses, retaliation against law enforcement personnel, destruction of evidence, falsification of records.

Because they are all crimes under the obstruction of justice umbrella. 

[Fozzz 152]

lol no one will care about any of that.  Maybe if they have strong evidence that he's part of a pedo trafficker ring...that might be enough.

[Nolacycling 893]

I always get phlebotomist and phrenologist confused. Both so helpful.

[Dbeasy 15072]

Do those people consider these things crimes:
witness tampering, suborning perjury, witness intimidation, retaliation against witnesses, retaliation against law enforcement personnel, destruction of evidence, falsification of records.
Because they are all crimes under the obstruction of justice umbrella. 

But can any of that be definitively tied to Trump? How did Trump word certain phrases? Why did he fire someone? He can just argue he said something different than what witnesses say. He’s bullet proof.

[Js1 85437]

2 hours ago, Pig Bellmont said:

It’s all about re-election. The moment GOP seats are in jeopardy for supporting Trump, is the moment Senate Rs jump ship. I have enough faith in a majority of Republican voters that they do not want to support a criminal OR someone who is easily bribed by foreign officials. (whynotboth.gif) Granted, some people are lost forever. But I believe transparency and real oversight can have significant impact on GOP registered voter support. 

[Gil Bang 25978]

2 hours ago, Pig Bellmont said:

It’s all about re-election. The moment GOP seats are in jeopardy for supporting Trump, is the moment Senate Rs jump ship. I have enough faith in a majority of Republican voters that they do not want to support a criminal OR someone who is easily bribed by foreign officials. 

Google "Hunter, Duncan"

Edited March 12, 2019 by Gil Bang

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

44 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

But can any of that be definitively tied to Trump? How did Trump word certain phrases? Why did he fire someone? He can just argue he said something different than what witnesses say. He’s bullet proof.

 

The bar is, “Can I convince a jury (the American people) beyond a reasonable doubt that Trump personally obstructed justice with corrupt intent to prevent him and/or his co-conspirators from being held accountable?”

There is an almost never ending pattern of evidence, testimony, and public statements to prove this.  

Trump has verbally attacked, intimidated, or threatened almost everyone that could hold him accountable or associated with the investigations. Comey, Sessions, Rosenstein, Mueller, the press, the FBI, the DOJ, McCabe, Strozk, Page, Ohr, Schiff, Warner, Cohen, democrats.  There’s a good reason you’re not supposed to comment on ongoing investigations. 

And that’s before we even get to the litany of actions he either took or directed to hamstring, hinder, or shutdown the Russia investigations. 

Just the observable evidence is overwhelming and too long to list.  I can’t imagine what went on behind the scenes that we don’t know about. 

On top of all this is the fact that the investigation was about a hostile foreign power maliciously trying to destabilize the United States.

Edited March 12, 2019 by Hugo Stiglitz

[atomheartbevo 89735]

3 hours ago, Dbeasy said:

There are two things that are probably making impeachment impossible.

My two things about impeachment being impossible right now are:

1. We haven’t seen the final reports from Mueller, the House Committees, etc. (not to mention the actions of the SDNY)
2. We don’t know which Republicans in Congress are compromised and going down with Trump

This notion that impeachment can’t happen doesnt fly when we have seen very little in regards to Trump and his family.   When the report comes out, and when/if SDNY begins to dismantle Trump Org, and when/if we see the GOP being tainted (NRA, Russia, etc.), you will see plenty of Republicans turning.  

As the investigations have progressed, we have seen Trump and Republicans in Congress truly losing their shit on Twitter, or in comments to reporters (or Supreme Court confirmations).  

These people have not acted at all like people who are confident they will be found innocent.  

The Trumps, Graham, etc. all act like fucking cowards afraid they are going down.   

[Judge Roybeanbag 11819]

3 hours ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

I think she's planning to lay his shit bare in committee hearings until the R's are begging her to impeach him while they still have enough time to line up a 2020 candidate. 

That's what I was trying to say yesterday.

[DCA_HORN 725]

23 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

My two things about impeachment being impossible right now are:

1. We haven’t seen the final reports from Mueller, the House Committees, etc. (not to mention the actions of the SDNY)
2. We don’t know which Republicans in Congress are compromised and going down with Trump

This notion that impeachment can’t happen doesnt fly when we have seen very little in regards to Trump and his family.   When the report comes out, and when/if SDNY begins to dismantle Trump Org, and when/if we see the GOP being tainted (NRA, Russia, etc.), you will see plenty of Republicans turning.  

As the investigations have progressed, we have seen Trump and Republicans in Congress truly losing their shit on Twitter, or in comments to reporters (or Supreme Court confirmations).  

These people have not acted at all like people who are confident they will be found innocent.  

The Trumps, Graham, etc. all act like fucking cowards afraid they are going down.   

I just don't see it happening. If things are as blatant as the claims are, why has nothing been done in 2 years of investigations. Chuck Rhoades and crew have had 40 years to investigate the family business, why are they going to dismantle it now?

[atomheartbevo 89735]

5 minutes ago, DCA_HORN said:

I just don't see it happening. If things are as blatant as the claims are, why has nothing been done in 2 years of investigations. Chuck Rhoades and crew have had 40 years to investigate the family business, why are they going to dismantle it now?

Why are Trump, Graham, etc. scared shitless?

They do not act like men who are innocent.  They are doing everything possible to undermine any and all reports about their behavior.  

Edited March 12, 2019 by atomheartbevo

[David Dennison 18925]

5 minutes ago, DCA_HORN said:

I just don't see it happening. If things are as blatant as the claims are, why has nothing been done in 2 years of investigations. Chuck Rhoades and crew have had 40 years to investigate the family business, why are they going to dismantle it now?

Depends on probable cause.

[hobbes2702 13048]

3 hours ago, elfenix said:

there's plenty of people who think that obstruction isn't actually a crime.  it'd be like trying to get a conviction for the code violation of using an extension cord as permanent wiring.

clear quid pro quo with the emoluments clause is something more people think is wrong, but, again, lots think all politicians do it #bothsides so they'll shrug their shoulders.

There’s plenty of people who think that. There’s plenty of people who are stupid.

[atomheartbevo 89735]

 

https://www.npr.org/2019/03/12/702577175/speaker-pelosi-revokes-mike-pences-house-office-space

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The speaker giveth, and the speaker taketh away.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., has reclaimed office space her predecessor, Speaker Paul Ryan, R-Wis., awarded to Vice President Pence.

Republicans gave Pence, a former House member, a first-floor bonus office in the U.S. Capitol shortly after President Trump was inaugurated in 2017. 

The vice president rarely used the space, but it was a symbolic gesture of the warm relationship Pence enjoyed with Ryan and the House GOP.

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A placard above the door identifying it as Pence's House office was quietly removed in recent weeks. A House Democratic aide confirmed to NPR that the space will be reassigned. "Room assignments are reviewed and changed at the beginning of every Congress," the aide said. 

The speaker has sole authority to dole out office space in the Capitol, which is prized real estate for members of leadership and senior staff. While Pelosi revoked Pence's office privileges, the aide said she is providing new office space for the White House legislative affairs team that it did not previously enjoy under the GOP majority.

 

[Gil Bang 25978]

Pence loved that office.  It was next to the men's room and he was able to drill a peephole in the perfect spot;  at dick level right next to the urinal

Edited March 12, 2019 by Gil Bang

[TDunk 590]

On 3/11/2019 at 5:07 PM, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Basically this:

She lacks courage and conviction to do her duty because of party politics, which demonstrates weakness.  

New shit has come to light.

 

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

Pelosi has ZERO intention of impeaching Trump. 

They’ll make the case as best they can over the next year and say fuck it, let the voters decide in November.

[David Dennison 18925]

13 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Pelosi has ZERO intention of impeaching Trump. 

They’ll make the case as best they can over the next year and say fuck it, let the voters decide in November.

Depends entirely on what they find. 

Which is exactly what she said.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

Depends if the American public gives a shit. 

That’s always been the only factor. 

[Gengs1 2583]

The obstruction case against the orange guy won’t stick and will get too complicated for the jury. The jury only needs 1-2 trump idiots on it or even a q believer and the case falls will never convict.  Don’t underestimate the stupidity of some voters 

[Gil Bang 25978]

 

[atomheartbevo 89735]

41 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Depends if the American public gives a shit. 

That’s always been the only factor. 

They cared last November.  

[Js1 85437]

48 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

 

Where I am. If you come at Trump, you better have it airtight. You only get one shot. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

[David Dennison 18925]

2 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

That Republican president had a big assist from an unaccountable third branch of government after losing the popular vote.

 

[Doc Sam Beckett 5793]

Lulz, my new favorite comedy is watching Fozzz throw shit against the wall to try and get a rise out of people, only to be completely ignored again and again. Fozz, I think I'm the only one who doesn't have you on ignore.... 

[David Dennison 18925]

13 minutes ago, Doc Sam Beckett said:

Lulz, my new favorite comedy is watching Fozzz throw shit against the wall to try and get a rise out of people, only to be completely ignored again and again. Fozz, I think I'm the only one who doesn't have you on ignore.... 

I'm still there for Fozzz. I don't ignore or neg rep on principle. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

 

[gmr548 16580]

It’s all about re-election. The moment GOP seats are in jeopardy for supporting Trump, is the moment Senate Rs jump ship. I have enough faith in a majority of Republican voters that they do not want to support a criminal OR someone who is easily bribed by foreign officials. (whynotboth.gif) Granted, some people are lost forever. But I believe transparency and real oversight can have significant impact on GOP registered voter support. 

Your point about seats being in jeopardy is correct. Your point about the Republican electorate has been proven incorrect, unfortunately. The ones that were ever going to be willing to vote country over party did so in 2018, resulting in a significant realignment of the house map. The ones still there have shown no signs of anything but holding one until the bitter end.

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[bad_teammate 13218]

Nancy says a good thing!

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

She never wanted to go anywhere near impeachment.  She’s probably glad Barr made it easy for her.   Focusing on the issues is smart too.

They still need to Benghazi Trump in other corruption matters (emoluments, abuse of power, obstruction, security clearances) there’s plenty to work with. 

However, staying away from the Russia stuff is smart. 

Edited March 26, 2019 by Hugo Stiglitz

[EuroHorn 3265]

15 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

She never wanted to go anywhere near impeachment.  She’s probably glad Barr made it easy for her.   Focusing on the issues is smart too.

They still need to Benghazi Trump in other corruption matters (emoluments, abuse of power, obstruction, security clearances) there’s plenty to work with. 

However, staying away from the Russia stuff is smart. 

< immediately goes back to posting about Russia >

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

On 3/12/2019 at 12:16 PM, Fozzz said:

Impeachment will never be viable.  He either loses in 2020 or he serves till 2024.

Jeebus it'd be like the marines taking Okinawa in 44. The mass suicides of the SJW's would be in the thousands.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

I’m not in Congress. 

[David Dennison 18925]

Just now, Onboard 2.0 said:

Jeebus it'd be like the marines taking Okinawa in 44. The mass suicides of the SJW's would be in the thousands.

Or it would be just another election and the Democrats would probably win in 2024.

[bad_teammate 13218]

She's terrible, folks.

 

[Incredulity 11675]

On 3/25/2019 at 5:47 PM, Hugo Stiglitz said:

She never wanted to go anywhere near impeachment.  She’s probably glad Barr made it easy for her.   Focusing on the issues is smart too.

They still need to Benghazi Trump in other corruption matters (emoluments, abuse of power, obstruction, security clearances) there’s plenty to work with. 

However, staying away from the Russia stuff is smart. 

Narrator:  They won't.

[David Dennison 18925]

10 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

Narrator:  They won't.

They don't have to do anything as long as the report is hidden.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]