Let's talk about Brent Venables and stealing signals?

[Mitch Cumsteen 18963]

I had forgotten all about the shit that went down with him at Clemson until I started watching the OU/Nebraska game. After the first series, I thought.... holy shit, that Oklahoma defense is dialed in. It's like they know the play before it's run. And then I remembered the noise around Venables at Clemson.

For reference, here is the first series for Nebraska on offense:
1st & 10 at NEB 23 (13:16 - 1st) Casey Thompson pass complete to Alante Brown for 11 yds to the Neb 34 for a 1ST down
1st & 10 at NEB 34 (13:16 - 1st) Casey Thompson pass complete to Trey Palmer for 16 yds to the 50 yard line for a 1ST down
1st & 10 at 50 (13:16 - 1st) Anthony Grant run for 11 yds to the Okla 39 for a 1ST down
1st & 10 at OU 39 (13:16 - 1st) Casey Thompson pass complete to Trey Palmer for 9 yds to the Okla 30
2nd & 1 at OU 30 (13:16 - 1st) Anthony Grant run for 3 yds to the Okla 27 for a 1ST down
1st & 10 at OU 27 (13:16 - 1st) PENALTY NEB False Start (Palmer,Trey) 5 yards from OU 27 to OU 32. NO PLAY.
1st & 15 at OU 32 (11:19 - 1st) C. Thompson pass,to T. Palmer for 32 yds for a TD, (T. Bleekrode KICK)

That's 77 yards of offense and a TD on the first drive. They had 76 yards of total offense the entire rest of the first half.  That Venables sure knows how to make adjustments on the fly!

For those of you who aren't familiar with the Clemson stuff:

https://sports.yahoo.com/danger-sign-how-will-ohio-sate-account-for-clemsons-signal-stealing-reputation-025723575.html
https://www.si.com/college/2020/11/06/clemson-signal-stealing-dabo-swinney-daily-cover
https://www.cleveland.com/osu/2020/12/ohio-state-coach-ryan-day-takes-a-shot-at-clemson-and-brent-venables-sign-stealing-reputation.html

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“He's one of the best defensive coordinators in college football,” Day said of Venables. “He does a great job calling the game. Seems to always know exactly what the other team is doing in terms of the plays that they're running, each play. Seems to call the right defense into that play a lot. Why that is, I don't really know, but I can tell you he's been doing it for a really long time and it's a good challenge.”

 

 

Edited September 19, 2022 by Mitch Cumsteen

[TexArcher 39074]

I have to be consistent and say the same thing I said in response to the Astros' allegations: if your signals can be stolen, you suck at signals.  

Fuck Venables, though, for plenty of additional reasons.

[Skipper 6411]

Snyder's KSU teams had that rep.  Venables probably learned it as a GA/assistant there and has been doing it ever since.

[Nope 3151]

I’m glad Sark has experience game planning against a Venables D

Edit: Actually he doesn’t, but hopefully Saban gave him the scoop

Edited September 19, 2022 by Nope

[Your Mom 4979]

Fuck Venables, but more power to him if they're just observing and deciphering.  

Interesting read about it...  Seems like the majority of coaches acknowledge it happens all the time and don't really care.  

https://scholarship.law.marquette.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1824&context=sportslaw#:~:text=College football is not the,what constitutes illegal sign stealing.

[TreatyOak 17394]

Part of the game and is probably way more ethical than what I did. I was an assistant coach and was up in the booth during our games. Against our hated rival, I could hear the other team’s offensive coaches calling their plays from the next room. It didn’t take long to figure out what meant what so I started, ahem, texting the play call down to someone standing next to our defensive coach. We won. Is that legal? Probably. Ethical? Probably not. 

[Scholz 12309]

7 minutes ago, TreatyOak said:

Part of the game and is probably way more ethical than what I did. I was an assistant coach and was up in the booth during our games. Against our hated rival, I could hear the other team’s offensive coaches calling their plays from the next room. It didn’t take long to figure out what meant what so I started, ahem, texting the play call down to someone standing next to our defensive coach. We won. Is that legal? Probably. Ethical? Probably not. 

If it was LT, totally ethical.  

[Rockethorn1978 6205]

Well I’d lean more to Nebraska being really fucking bad at football but I love the narrative BLoWu is cheating so I’ll go with that.

[Guest]

Funny, I noticed that OU had big ass banners that would pop up to block out the coaching box view of the coaches signaling in plays. I've seen the backup QB hold up a towel or something, but these were like 5-foot tall curtains they would put up. As if he was really worried about sign stealing.

These dudes:

Edited September 19, 2022 by FirstTimeCaller

[ousux 5639]

The only thing Brent Venables steals is other peoples bags of dicks

Stoops and Little Lincoln are stingy bastards and didnt leave him much.

[Bigbend1812 13060]

A cheating Sooner….

 

[TreatyOak 17394]

1 hour ago, Scholz said:

If it was LT, totally ethical.  

Hahah. It wasn't. 

[Helobious 9821]

7 minutes ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

Funny, I noticed that OU had big ass banners that would pop up to block out the coaching box view of the coaches signaling in plays. I've seen the backup QB hold up a towel or something, but these were like 5-foot tall curtains they would put up. As if he was really worried about sign stealing.

These dudes:

A lot of teams do that. I think we do it too actually. 
 

Venables would fit right in with the Astros org from the sound of it.

[Deej 77842]

 

[Deej 77842]

19 minutes ago, Helobious said:

A lot of teams do that. I think we do it too actually. 
 

Venables would fit right in with the Astros org from the sound of it.

Or the Yankees.

https://www.click2houston.com/sports/local/2022/04/26/they-cheated-too-yankee-letter-revealed-documents-sign-stealing-techniques-and-punishment-from-mlb/

[elguapo 4620]

I found a pic of Venables doing this against GD

[formermav43 4630]

Everyone who is capable of doing this does it. As they should.

[derpyhorndog 2702]

Give the QBs a mic'ed helmet like the NFL has done for almost 30 years. Problem solved. 

[elguapo 4620]

I think it’s awesome, we should hire away one of Venables analysts to figure out how he does it.

[South Austin 53228]

18 minutes ago, longhornmatt said:

If they’re just watching the other team’s signs on the field and decoding them, then that’s fair game.

OU sucks.  But I've never had a problem with this.

[Wishbone 4958]

35 minutes ago, Deej said:

Or the Yankees.

https://www.click2houston.com/sports/local/2022/04/26/they-cheated-too-yankee-letter-revealed-documents-sign-stealing-techniques-and-punishment-from-mlb/

Might as well add the Red Sox and the Mets to the list. Hell, all of baseball.

[Sawbonz 28228]

So?

 

[TexasRenegade 2610]

I mean DKR did it to Navy in the 63 Cotton Bowl and didn't even bother denying it.

[Fud 9724]

It could also mean Nebraska's offense sucked after their initial scripted first x-number of plays 

[Deej 77842]

31 minutes ago, Wishbone said:

Might as well add the Red Sox and the Mets to the list. Hell, all of baseball.

Of course, but none of their moron fans felt the need to come toss that bullshit into a football thread. 

[Pdawg88 1157]

3 hours ago, ousux said:

The only thing Brent Venables steals is other peoples bags of dicks

Stoops and Little Lincoln are stingy bastards and didnt leave him much.

You must not have seen Lincoln lately. He clearly found some good restaurants in LA he likes. Watched the game Saturday and he looked fat.