Woodchippers for Pedophiles

[maninblack 7974]

There's no middle ground here. If you hurt a kid or have the slightest inclination to explain abuse away with terms like MAPS you're fucking evil.

 

 

[Nice Guy Eddie 13529]

Couldn’t understand how he only had a 6 month sentence by having 1000s of dvds of child porn. That would indicate a potential distributor of it as well. I would have guessed a life sentence. Apparently the sheriffs dept were wrong about the amount. It wasn’t 1000s of DVDs but rather what was later described as a few images. I can understand that they didn’t immediately catalogue video scenes but that was a poor communication.

https://www.yourcentralvalley.com/news/crime/180-days-in-jail-for-fresno-man-arrested-with-child-porn/
 

still there is missing info from the DA in these stories on why 6 months was the sentence. Is there more to the story? Are there laws preventing longer sentences. 

[Hate 20149]

1 hour ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

still there is missing info from the DA in these stories on why 6 months was the sentence. Is there more to the story? Are there laws preventing longer sentences. 

The judge and DA were probably in the videos themselves.

[Viper 12112]

1 hour ago, Hate said:

The judge and DA were probably in the videos themselves.

[chainsaw 9879]

How exactly do they know that all 1,000 of these DVDs had that in them?

[Nice Guy Eddie 13529]

2 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

How exactly do they know that all 1,000 of these DVDs had that in them?

I actually wondered that myself. 

Joe Bob - I need to you thoroughly review 1000s of hours of porn to see if there are any child porn scenes in there.  Based on my math that you can watch about 10 minutes every 90 minutes, please report back in 2040 on your findings.  Oh, you think you can watch 10 every 30 minutes. Joe Bob, you ain't going to a be young man forever, trust me.

[RockyMountainHighHorn 896]

For anyone that has been to jail, they know how hard even 6 months are for chomos. I’m not saying it’s right by any means but the “moral code” of most jails does a pretty good job of making each day hell for those “people”. Let’s just say I’d take a year in GP versus a week as a chomo….

[TwiceHorn 31598]

A couple of things, feds usually take over these cases and sentences are harsh.  But that is usually cases involving the internet, rather than DVDs or mags or whatever.  I think at one time there must have been child pron mags or something indicating something more commercial in nature than what's mostly on the internet, which seems to be homemade. 🤢🤢

Fucking cops:

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Officials with the sheriff’s office originally said that thousands of DVDs containing child pornography were found at the home, but it was later clarified that the search had actually turned up a couple of images of children with their genitals exposed, and another image of a child engaging in oral sex with an adult.

So it looks like the guy had three images of child porn out of all those DVDs.  That aint much.  I don't really know what to think about that.  If he was really some kind of aficianado, you'd think he'd have more. This guy is clearly some kind of perv with 1000 dvds of pr0n, although I am sure there are surlsters with similarly gigantic stashes.  If that was downloaded from the net, seems like getting three child pr0n images out of all of that is statistically pretty likely.  I'm not sure I can conclude the guy is a danger to children based on that.

People that make/produce child porn clearly deserve harsh sentences, as they are directly involved in abuse of children. That they filmed it is kind of the lesser of their evils.

People that profit from it through sales, distribution, creation of networks or whatever, same.

I'm really not sure what to make of people that just have a few images among thousands.  It seems like the tendency is strict liability.  If you have any at all, you must be a pedo and you must be a danger to children.  I'm not sure that necessarily follows.

[Nice Guy Eddie 13529]

7 minutes ago, RockyMountainHighHorn said:

For anyone that has been to jail, they know how hard even 6 months are for chomos. I’m not saying it’s right by any means but the “moral code” of most jails does a pretty good job of making each day hell for those “people”. Let’s just say I’d take a year in GP versus a week as a chomo….

I watched a few videos on YT where an ex-con talks about life behind bars. (queue up the Airplane! scene.) One guy from CA prisons mentions how their general population and gangs have kill on sight orders when they encounter a sex offender. and new prisoners are not given much time to prove they're not sex offenders by showing their incarceration papers to others. 

[Helobious 9467]

Last month some guy in SA got sentenced to prison for photoshopping children’s faces onto pictures of nude adults. That counted as child pornography. Definitely sick as fuck but that one seemed iffy to me. 

[TwiceHorn 31598]

6 minutes ago, Helobious said:

Last month some guy in SA got sentenced to prison for photoshopping children’s faces onto pictures of nude adults. That counted as child pornography. Definitely sick as fuck but that one seemed iffy to me. 

Agreed, that's super weird, both to do it in the first place and for it to be a crime.  Apparently, there have been prosecutions over cartoon type things, too.

Edited September 23, 2022 by TwiceHorn

[RockyMountainHighHorn 896]

3 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

I watched a few videos on YT where an ex-con talks about life behind bars. (queue up the Airplane! scene.) One guy from CA prisons mentions how their general population and gangs have kill on sight orders when they encounter a sex offender. and new prisoners are not given much time to prove they're not sex offenders by showing their incarceration papers to others. 

It’s the same in Texas. Sadly most get housed in the same unit eventually and can basically “hide out” there but for the first few days while they are transferring you around, I’ve seen some pedos go through some pretty terrible things. I’ll never forget this 17 year old that was dating a 15? Year old, cheated on her, parents of the girl got mad and called authorities and he was arrested as a pedo. Not saying that is right or anything but my moral compass has a big difference between a 17 yr old with a 15 yr old versus a 50 yr old with a 15 yr old. Anyway, the kid held his paperwork like it was his only way to survive-problem is that his charges were in bold at the top and most people don’t take the time to read through the persons entire case file before wanting to give him a case of the beats. I ended up meeting the guy on his 3rd day in and let’s just say he probably had 5+ broken bones already. 

[midtown 3348]

7 minutes ago, Helobious said:

Last month some guy in SA got sentenced to prison for photoshopping children’s faces onto pictures of nude adults. That counted as child pornography. Definitely sick as fuck but that one seemed iffy to me. 

[Helobious 9467]

2 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

I watched a few videos on YT where an ex-con talks about life behind bars. (queue up the Airplane! scene.) One guy from CA prisons mentions how their general population and gangs have kill on sight orders when they encounter a sex offender. and new prisoners are not given much time to prove they're not sex offenders by showing their incarceration papers to others. 

They all say shit like that. Chomos are ostracized and targeted for sure, they’re at the greatest risk for attack after snitches, but a lot of that talk is for inmates to sound/feel more righteous than they are.

[wildcat09 29438]

8 minutes ago, Helobious said:

They all say shit like that. Chomos are ostracized and targeted for sure, they’re at the greatest risk for attack after snitches, but a lot of that talk is for inmates to sound/feel more righteous than they are.

Not too different from how many of the people who scream the loudest about how much they hate pedophiles turn out to be pedophiles themselves.

[RockyMountainHighHorn 896]

3 minutes ago, Helobious said:

They all say shit like that. Chomos are ostracized and targeted for sure, they’re at the greatest risk for attack after snitches, but a lot of that talk is for inmates to sound/feel more righteous than they are.

This right here. Killing on sight is definitely “inferred” but rarely happens. I saw/knew of one guy that was killed in the 3 jails/prisons I was at. I saw a good amount of people get their asses kicked and a good amount of torture-like things done to chomos but not killing. Inmates do a great job of making life hell for those people in little ways-messing with their food,sleep,phone calls,yelling, threats, etc. Knew of one pedo whose kid was beat up at school over and over by the kids of another inmate. “Kill on sight” is definitely an order that is said and heard but rarely gets followed through on. There was one guy that was very “fight club-esque” in that he would smile when punched and laugh when getting his ass kicked…he was able to keep that schtick up for about a week then suddenly he stopped, never knew what changed but someone got to him. 

[Nice Guy Eddie 13529]

16 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

I'm really not sure what to make of people that just have a few images among thousands.  It seems like the tendency is strict liability.  If you have any at all, you must be a pedo and you must be a danger to children.  I'm not sure that necessarily follows.

There are reasons why you want to give judges the ability to assess each case in determining the sentence. Of course that can also lead to abuses where judges let someone off without time.

It wouldn't be a easy argument to make to a jury that the defendant likes to download porn but he didn't know those few images were there.

[Nice Guy Eddie 13529]

1 minute ago, RockyMountainHighHorn said:

This right here. Killing on sight is definitely “inferred” but rarely happens. I saw/knew of one guy that was killed in the 3 jails/prisons I was at. I saw a good amount of people get their asses kicked and a good amount of torture-like things done to chomos but not killing. Inmates do a great job of making life hell for those people in little ways-messing with their food,sleep,phone calls,yelling, threats, etc. Knew of one pedo whose kid was beat up at school over and over by the kids of another inmate. “Kill on sight” is definitely an order that is said and heard but rarely gets followed through on. There was one guy that was very “fight club-esque” in that he would smile when punched and laugh when getting his ass kicked…he was able to keep that schtick up for about a week then suddenly he stopped, never knew what changed but someone got to him. 

Yeah, I noticed that in the YT videos that I watched, it was called kill-on-sight but the stories were always someone getting a bad beat down. You could beat up your cellmate and tell him to not accuse you of it. but if you kill your cellmate, you don't exactly need sherlock holmes to solve that case.

[TwiceHorn 31598]

10 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

There are reasons why you want to give judges the ability to assess each case in determining the sentence. Of course that can also lead to abuses where judges let someone off without time.

It wouldn't be a easy argument to make to a jury that the defendant likes to download porn but he didn't know those few images were there.

In the federal system, at least, like many crimes, there are mandatory minimums below which a judge cannot go.

The feds also have sentencing guidelines that in many cases make no damn sense, so the guidelines will call for a certain harsh sentence and federal judges recognize that the guidelines make no damn sense and routinely go below them.  Ketanji Brown Jackson got a lot of shit for doing that from Cruz and others, but that is a fairly routine practice among federal judges.

It's not so much that the judges are being "lenient" so much as recognition that the federal sentencing guidelines are basically fucked up across the board, and especially so with relation to child p0rn and they don't legally have to be followed and probably shouldn't be followed.

As many of you know, I follow criminal sentencing and justice issues kind of closely and in general think that we over-sentence people.  Child pr0n presents quite a dilemma in that department.

For actual, "hands on" molesters, there's an argument that life sentences are appropriate on the grounds that they should be removed from society as a danger to children.  That argument makes a lot more sense than many arguments in support of harsh sentencing, like "deterrence."

But when you start talking about life sentences for people who "merely" possess images of child abuse, without having produced them or profited from them or in any other way attempted to or actually molested children, that gets pretty difficult.

Edited September 23, 2022 by TwiceHorn

[Hate 20149]

32 minutes ago, RockyMountainHighHorn said:

It’s the same in Texas. Sadly most get housed in the same unit eventually and can basically “hide out” there but for the first few days while they are transferring you around, I’ve seen some pedos go through some pretty terrible things. I’ll never forget this 17 year old that was dating a 15? Year old, cheated on her, parents of the girl got mad and called authorities and he was arrested as a pedo. Not saying that is right or anything but my moral compass has a big difference between a 17 yr old with a 15 yr old versus a 50 yr old with a 15 yr old. Anyway, the kid held his paperwork like it was his only way to survive-problem is that his charges were in bold at the top and most people don’t take the time to read through the persons entire case file before wanting to give him a case of the beats. I ended up meeting the guy on his 3rd day in and let’s just say he probably had 5+ broken bones already. 

So what were you in for?

[Nivek 16997]

This right here. Killing on sight is definitely “inferred” but rarely happens. I saw/knew of one guy that was killed in the 3 jails/prisons I was at. I saw a good amount of people get their asses kicked and a good amount of torture-like things done to chomos but not killing. Inmates do a great job of making life hell for those people in little ways-messing with their food,sleep,phone calls,yelling, threats, etc. Knew of one pedo whose kid was beat up at school over and over by the kids of another inmate. “Kill on sight” is definitely an order that is said and heard but rarely gets followed through on. There was one guy that was very “fight club-esque” in that he would smile when punched and laugh when getting his ass kicked…he was able to keep that schtick up for about a week then suddenly he stopped, never knew what changed but someone got to him. 

Beating up the kid of a pedo really taught him a valuable lesson. Kid might have been molested as well. But hey, let’s pile on the innocent kid for choosing a poor parent, morons.

[Samson's Wig 3195]

Is your incredulity based on an assumption that most prisoners are not morons?

[Braff Zacklin 13667]

5 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Joe Bob - I need to you thoroughly review 1000s of hours of porn to see if there are any child porn scenes in there.  Based on my math that you can watch about 10 minutes every 90 minutes, please report back in 2040 on your findings.  Oh, you think you can watch 10 every 30 minutes. Joe Bob, you ain't going to a be young man forever, trust me.

And his response?

['stache 21892]

6 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

I actually wondered that myself. 

Joe Bob - I need to you thoroughly review 1000s of hours of porn to see if there are any child porn scenes in there.  Based on my math that you can watch about 10 minutes every 90 minutes, please report back in 2040 on your findings.  Oh, you think you can watch 10 every 30 minutes. Joe Bob, you ain't going to a be young man forever, trust me.

One of my law partners told me that he started at the DAs office and there was a high profile case about a couple that abused a dog through beastiality type shit and they had a lot of it on film. His job as one of the newest people in the office was to watch the videos and time stamp them for evidentiary presentations. I can't fucking imagine having to do that for work. 

[Nivek 16997]

Just attach an accelerometer to an aggy’s pants and get the data by proxy.

[PRONG HORN 3165]

Everybody freaks out about your average slimy pedo, but when it's the church (Catholic, Baptist, etc.) people tend to temper the anger in their responses.  

[F250 28828]

1 hour ago, PRONG HORN said:

Everybody freaks out about your average slimy pedo, but when it's the church (Catholic, Baptist, etc.) people tend to temper the anger in their responses.  

Remember the response to this?

[PRONG HORN 3165]

14 minutes ago, F250 said:

Remember the response to this?

 

I've always wondered if Christianity had a big part in bringing pedos to Europe, or if it was just as prevalent there already.   Also if there is child rape tradition history here in the Americas.  Did the Native Americans like to bone kids?  Also, did the rape traditions of the middle east make it to China, Japan, other Asian cultures?  I guess there's Thailand, but maybe Islam took it to that part of the world.  Or it could be a more modern evolution. 

As far as I know child rape is mostly Middle Eastern and European in it's origins.  I don't know of any other history or tradition surrounding it in other cultures.  Is it ubiquitous world wide?

 

 

[PRONG HORN 3165]

I guess Rome had a tradition of child rape before the Christians got there.  Hmmm that’s a terrible breeding ground of child rape culture that’s been fermenting in Italy for the last few thousands of years.  I wonder if the rest of Europe shared the same rape traditions as Italy?

[Hate 20149]

IMO, children have never been safer than right now and it’s still not safe enough.

[ztejas 43552]

1 hour ago, PRONG HORN said:

As far as I know child rape is mostly Middle Eastern and European in it's origins.  I don't know of any other history or tradition surrounding it in other cultures.  Is it ubiquitous world wide?

Yes. Japan and Greece both off the top of my head. 

You might as well ask if there are gay people everywhere or just in certain countries. 

Now - the social acceptability and ritualization of it obviously varies between cultures. Maybe that's more what you meant? 

[PRONG HORN 3165]

Sure that’s also what I meant.  It’s not just gay dudes.  Lots of straight guys bone little boys in some cultures.  Like catholic priests.  Those dudes aren’t gay in lots of cases.  

[ChuckNorrisActionJeans 2682]

1 hour ago, F250 said:

Remember the response to this?

I'm not sure how clear it was to people at the time as to why she did that. Most just thought it was for shock value. The sexual abuse of kids as any sort of thing was just then beginning to become known. Hard to imagine. 

But of course, she was right about it all and had first-hand knowledge of the systemic abuse of the church. She really paid a price for speaking out.

[TwiceHorn 31598]

48 minutes ago, ChuckNorrisActionJeans said:

I'm not sure how clear it was to people at the time as to why she did that. Most just thought it was for shock value. The sexual abuse of kids as any sort of thing was just then beginning to become known. Hard to imagine. 

But of course, she was right about it all and had first-hand knowledge of the systemic abuse of the church. She really paid a price for speaking out.

Count me as one who didn't realize what it meant.  I didn't follow it super-closely but remember it and thought it odd that an Irish lass would be doing that and wondered if she was somehow an Ulsterman.

[Sawbonz 27653]

Based on title I thought op was starting a booster club 

[Cornpop 230]

Pedos have been covered up and protected by some in American society for decades. If it were up to me, we would put every single one of them on the Lolita express to an island and leave them with nothing but the clothes on their backs. Let them survive, cannibalize each other, whatever. Celebs, politicians, regular Joes.....every last one of them. 

[ztejas 43552]

2 hours ago, PRONG HORN said:

Sure that’s also what I meant.  It’s not just gay dudes.  Lots of straight guys bone little boys in some cultures.  Like catholic priests.  Those dudes aren’t gay in lots of cases.  

I meant that some people are attracted to kids just like some people are attracted to the same sex. 

[NotActuallyALonghorn 4979]

13 hours ago, RockyMountainHighHorn said:

It’s the same in Texas. Sadly most get housed in the same unit eventually and can basically “hide out” there but for the first few days while they are transferring you around, I’ve seen some pedos go through some pretty terrible things. I’ll never forget this 17 year old that was dating a 15? Year old, cheated on her, parents of the girl got mad and called authorities and he was arrested as a pedo. Not saying that is right or anything but my moral compass has a big difference between a 17 yr old with a 15 yr old versus a 50 yr old with a 15 yr old. Anyway, the kid held his paperwork like it was his only way to survive-problem is that his charges were in bold at the top and most people don’t take the time to read through the persons entire case file before wanting to give him a case of the beats. I ended up meeting the guy on his 3rd day in and let’s just say he probably had 5+ broken bones already. 

Texas law says it's not statutory rape if the person committing it is within three years of age from the "victim." And I'm not sure if it even applies if the accused is underage. There must have been photos or videos involved for him to get tossed in the can, which I kind of ridiculous. 

[Blotto 23585]

5 hours ago, PRONG HORN said:

Everybody freaks out about your average slimy pedo, but when it's the church (Catholic, Baptist, etc.) people tend to temper the anger in their responses.  

I guess its because all of those religious types are pretty quick to ask for and be granted forgiveness by the big guy. Updates come out in a newsletter, all good. 

[Gatorubet 30325]

When I saw the thread title I immediately thought: “Now that  is a boutique business model!”

[Beau Vine 54471]

14 hours ago, ztejas said:

I meant that some people are attracted to kids just like some people are attracted to the same sex. 

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and suggest that you might want to wordsmith this thought a little more thoroughly.

[Beau Vine 54471]

Honestly, that looks like a picture of our CD collection, but if you started opening them, you'd find that half are actually empty, with the missing CD's rattling around unprotected in the glove box and door slots of my wife's car.

[ztejas 43552]

7 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and suggest that you might want to wordsmith this thought a little more thoroughly.

If you want to take it out of context go ahead. 

[RockyMountainHighHorn 896]

16 hours ago, NotActuallyALonghorn said:

Texas law says it's not statutory rape if the person committing it is within three years of age from the "victim." And I'm not sure if it even applies if the accused is underage. There must have been photos or videos involved for him to get tossed in the can, which I kind of ridiculous. 

It was BS. It was going to get tossed out anyway but he had to sit in there while it got slowly resolved and once he got in a pod with “those” then it was a rough time for him. 

[Willfully Horn 8062]

This discussion is not fleshed out fully without a mention of minimum ages for legal marriage. I don’t know how a parent could ever give their consent and allow someone to marry their 12 year old child, but if they do, there are states where it would then be legal.

Outrageous. Unacceptable. 

[PRONG HORN 3165]

1 hour ago, Willfully Horn said:

Outrageous. Unacceptable. 

 

If there's grass on the field, play ball?

 

[Texzilla58 4745]

If you want to take it out of context go ahead. 

What’s the context? You sound like one of those looking to normalize pedophilia and kidfucking since they “are made that way”.

['stache 21892]

On 9/23/2022 at 7:20 PM, PRONG HORN said:

 

I've always wondered if Christianity had a big part in bringing pedos to Europe, or if it was just as prevalent there already.   Also if there is child rape tradition history here in the Americas.  Did the Native Americans like to bone kids?  Also, did the rape traditions of the middle east make it to China, Japan, other Asian cultures?  I guess there's Thailand, but maybe Islam took it to that part of the world.  Or it could be a more modern evolution. 

As far as I know child rape is mostly Middle Eastern and European in it's origins.  I don't know of any other history or tradition surrounding it in other cultures.  Is it ubiquitous world wide?

 

 

A lot of cultures (including our own not too long ago) regularly had arranged marriages between adult men and 12 year old girls. We also had kids then primarily for farm labor. There are some areas in which we have evolved rather quickly. I'm sure it's been everywhere among many cultures. Religion (Catholicism especially) is just set up in an unfortunate way that makes it especially susceptible to this stuff (celibacy for priests and close regular contact with young alter boys).

Edited September 28, 2022 by 'stache

[wildcat09 29438]

23 minutes ago, 'stache said:

A lot of cultures (including our own not too long ago) regularly had arranged marriages between adult men and 12 year old girls. We also had kids then primarily for farm labor. There are some areas in which we have evolved rather quickly. I'm sure it's been everywhere among many cultures. Religion (Catholicism especially) is just set up in an unfortunate way that makes it especially susceptible to this stuff (celibacy for priests and close regular contact with young alter boys).

There's still way more of these in America than most people realize. There's no hard numbers because a lot of these aren't actually registered with the state (even in states where they'll allow it), but it's thousands, maybe even tens of thousands per year in evangelical communities.

[Nice Guy Eddie 13529]

2 hours ago, wildcat09 said:

There's still way more of these in America than most people realize. There's no hard numbers because a lot of these aren't actually registered with the state (even in states where they'll allow it), but it's thousands, maybe even tens of thousands per year in evangelical communities.

We definitely have communities (religious and/or 1st generation immigrants) that want to follow their own culture. They do not recognize that some practices are wrong like girl brides to an old(er) man.