Hudson Card

[totallynotabuttpirate 5400]

Not for nothing, but he's definitely developed over the last year. Might be a good sign of Sark's ability to squeeze something out of the position. 

[Hookem2147 21345]

11 hours ago, HtownHorn said:

Card in year 2 is still worse than Casey Thompson.

I’ll wait until Card tweets a picture of his ankle at the end of the season so I can compare to Thompson’s thumb

[Fondren & Main 6727]

45 minutes ago, Hookem2147 said:

I’ll wait until Card tweets a picture of his ankle at the end of the season so I can compare to Thompson’s thumb

He won’t do that because he’s not a pussy…

[Victor Lazlo 1777]

I just rewatched the game, and I don’t know what the Card haters expect.

I see a quarterback that is improving with more playing time.

He went 21 of 27 - one of which was a Hail Mary at the end of the half. Made a couple of off schedule plays, stood in and got blasted on the 1st TD pass. Later in the 1st half stepped up in a tight pocket and hit Worthy for a big gain.

Sure, he wasn’t perfect, overthrew Worthy, underthrew a couple.

But I think he’s played well enough to not deserve to be getting shit on by some of the fan base. I wouldn’t blame either of our losses on him.

[Thatguy 8773]

1 hour ago, Victor Lazlo said:

I just rewatched the game, and I don’t know what the Card haters expect.

I see a quarterback that is improving with more playing time.

He went 21 of 27 - one of which was a Hail Mary at the end of the half. Made a couple of off schedule plays, stood in and got blasted on the 1st TD pass. Later in the 1st half stepped up in a tight pocket and hit Worthy for a big gain.

Sure, he wasn’t perfect, overthrew Worthy, underthrew a couple.

But I think he’s played well enough to not deserve to be getting shit on by some of the fan base. I wouldn’t blame either of our losses on him.

  The reason why we get frustrated with Card is because we know that eventually we are going to play a good secondary, where guys are running right behind or next to our guys and he has to make on schedule throws. Sark draws up a lot of plays that bust opposing secondaries, and tonight Card hit on those plays. However, imo the best throw Card made all night was the slant(or crossing trying to remember) pass which was on a rope and on time with the defender in his hip pocket. Great ball. We need more of that. 

[TwiceHorn 31516]

11 hours ago, Disco Strangler said:

He’s had a good game.  I love the high standard, but you  fuckers didn’t have to live through (or have forgotten) Gardere, Morenz, Mock, Heard, Snead, Harris . . . and the list goes on.   Other than Vince orColt, do you enjoy being a fan of this team of college kids?   

A valid point.  The level of play of college QBs has really elevated over that 20-someodd year span.  And it's pretty vital these days to have an all-world college QB to compete at the highest level.

[Hookem2147 21345]

Once Ewers is back (and Card is close to 100% healthy on that ankle), it would be cool if we find a way to sprinkle in some 2 QB sets or some wrinkles to keep Card engaged and potentially have some fun trick plays offensively. Card deserves it and he’s put himself in position to find a nice landing spot if he chooses to move on after the year.

Edited October 2, 2022 by Hookem2147

[CleverNickname 1321]

Was at DKR. Was the Roschon (wheel?) pass a drop or on Card? 

[Auto Driller 2506]

3 minutes ago, CleverNickname said:

Was at DKR. Was the Roschon (wheel?) pass a drop or on Card? 

It looked to me like the throw was not in stride. It was not a big miss though. Roschon should have caught it.

[KingBobo81 535]

Once Ewers is back (and Card is close to 100% healthy on that ankle), it would be cool if we find a way to sprinkle in some 2 QB sets or some wrinkles to keep Card engaged and potentially have some fun trick plays offensively. Card deserves it and he’s put himself in position to find a nice landing spot if he chooses to move on after the year.

Dust off the message board-created John Chiles play designs.

[Dahobbs 17629]

2 minutes ago, Auto Driller said:

It looked to me like the throw was not in stride. It was not a big miss though. Roschon should have caught it.

It was out of his reach. That wasn't a drop. It was a miss. Maybe Roschon could have adjusted better and put himself a position to make the catch, but Card made a simple wide open play way more difficult than necessary. 

To be clear, Card is way improved and has played well enough that we could be undefeated right now. But anything deep or along the sidelines just isn't accurate. Oddly enough, his best throws by far have been in the middle of the field, but we rarely have him throw those. Ewers will make a huge difference toward our ability to sustain drives. 

[Strat 149]

He finally made throws where he was throwing to a spot on field. He also still has misses that are just unexplainable. In 1st when X was sprinting down middle no defenders with 8-10 yards of him. You can't miss that, underthrow him if you have to .. 

[Texasborn91 941]

23 minutes ago, Auto Driller said:

It looked to me like the throw was not in stride. It was not a big miss though. Roschon should have caught it.

It was a bad throw. 

[Revolution512 1494]

The difference last night on the three big misses was that we found a way to score anyway. His worst decision of the night was the TD tip to Worthy. Looked like he could’ve run for 30+. When it’s your night, it’s your night.

[Bigjohns97 125]

6 hours ago, Victor Lazlo said:

I just rewatched the game, and I don’t know what the Card haters expect.

I see a quarterback that is improving with more playing time.

He went 21 of 27 - one of which was a Hail Mary at the end of the half. Made a couple of off schedule plays, stood in and got blasted on the 1st TD pass. Later in the 1st half stepped up in a tight pocket and hit Worthy for a big gain.

Sure, he wasn’t perfect, overthrew Worthy, underthrew a couple.

But I think he’s played well enough to not deserve to be getting shit on by some of the fan base. I wouldn’t blame either of our losses on him.

Agree with all of this, accurately rated out of HS, progressing nicely under the staff.

 

I really can't wait to see what this staff can do with multiple consecutive starts and 5-star talent at QB.

[MotownHorn 1770]

12 hours ago, nineliveslost said:

Yes Mrs. Card. I love Texas but let's not be blind to the guy panicking every single fucking time 

 

Thanks for your son being a part of the university though 

He’s way better at not panicking this year. 
 

The guy is not perfect by any means but he’s clearly improved and is a more than serviceable backup. 

[MotownHorn 1770]

42 minutes ago, Hookem2147 said:

Once Ewers is back (and Card is close to 100% healthy on that ankle), it would be cool if we find a way to sprinkle in some 2 QB sets or some wrinkles to keep Card engaged and potentially have some fun trick plays offensively. Card deserves it and he’s put himself in position to find a nice landing spot if he chooses to move on after the year.

Kansas did that yesterday. Had some plays where QB2 played running back. They handed off to him running to the edge with a run pass option 

Card excelled at that yesterday. Getting defenders to come off their guy to defend his run threat and then dumping off to an open guy. 

[Horn Dog 9896]

Although Card is far from perfect, and his missed open balls over 10yards make me want to kick puppy, he had a good game overall and has improved.   Hope that the switch has flipped and he continues to improve.  Sark needs to just lock him in a room for a week and make him do mental processing exercises 

[El Squared 1813]

52 minutes ago, Hookem2147 said:

Once Ewers is back (and Card is close to 100% healthy on that ankle), it would be cool if we find a way to sprinkle in some 2 QB sets or some wrinkles to keep Card engaged and potentially have some fun trick plays offensively. Card deserves it and he’s put himself in position to find a nice landing spot if he chooses to move on after the year.

Worthy wasn’t a bad QB last night

[Pam Cummings 9652]

57 minutes ago, CleverNickname said:

Was at DKR. Was the Roschon (wheel?) pass a drop or on Card? 

Both. Card underthrew it a tad and Roschon could have still caught it but just made a bad adjustment on it.

Edited October 2, 2022 by Pam Cummings

[Red Five 40879]

Open dudes all over the field last night. Card hit them, sometimes. Sometimes it was an errant throw, or very underthrown, or very overthrown. 

But he has improved. I think it was Michael Griffin who said that this time last year, Card wouldn't even look up from the DL as they were rushing him in the pocket. 

[Tylerocks 2553]

Y'all are fucking ridiculous.

I'm sure we'll see the same criticism when Ewers misses on 6 passes and throws for 300y and 3 TD in an 18 point win.

GTFOH

 

[Laxtonto 12090]

Card takes heat because he underthrows guys and then the next play over throws them. He makes a great read and then becomes the proverbial deer in the headlights and gets tunnel vision because he panics.

Card is what he is. He is best when he is a 2 read guy with both guys on the same side of the field. Sark made some adjustments by getting Sanders in his vision range and his Cards big mistakes didn’t hurt him this game.

Card was 1 for 4 on plays that would have been walk in touchdowns. Card  had a tip drill TD to Worthy and another pass to the sidelines that could have been picked. Do all QBs make some of those same type of mistakes, of course. What gets people so annoyed with Card is that the inconsistencies get combined with him panicking and his tunnel vision under pressure.

I was impressed yesterday that Card played more within himself, but he against a better D, his misses and mistakes would have been much more painful. He got some lucky bounces, and in truth it was about time he and the team were on the positive side of those for once. 
 

Embrace Card for what he is. That’s it. He’s a flawed QB that struggles with consistency and sometimes panics in the pocket. He has been a bit limited mobility-wise, but his biggest problems are between the ears. 

If we had a line that could help grind out yards on the ground, most of these issues are more manageable by consistently being a manageable down and distance. Right now we need a QB that is more than that to force the D to play the D straight up to help open up the run for Bijan. 

[Red Five 40879]

40 minutes ago, Tylerocks said:

Y'all are fucking ridiculous.

I'm sure we'll see the same criticism when Ewers misses on 6 passes and throws for 300y and 3 TD in an 18 point win.

GTFOH

 

You would absolutely see the same criticism if Ewers struggled to hit wide open receivers in stride on a consistent basis. 

[Steamboat1874 4075]

A lot of dumbassery in this thread.

[Horn Dog 9896]

4 minutes ago, Red Five said:

You would absolutely see the same criticism if Ewers struggled to hit wide open receivers in stride on a consistent basis. 

We don’t like Ewers because of his mullet and good looks!  He has a fucking cannon and drops dimes.

[Dahobbs 17629]

50 minutes ago, Pam Cummings said:

Both. Card underthrew it a tad and Roschon could have still caught it but just made a bad adjustment on it.

Underthrew? It was a good two yards in front of Roschon. What it looked like to me was that Roschon found a very soft spot and slowed up to keep distance from the safety that was deep (or maybe it was the corner? I don't have a replay handy).  Card expected Roschon to keep moving. Both contributed to the incomplete, but Card had to see that Roschon was wide the fuck open and just needed a gentle lob so he could run under it. Instead he did a bit of a side arm straight line throw that gave Roschon very little ability to adjust once the ball was in the air. 

 

[Dahobbs 17629]

Again, Card played very well for the most part. He definitely isn't the panicky QB he was last year. I very much appreciate what he has done. But, he creates very real limitations on this offense. Teams will continue to make him burn them until he shows the ability to do it consistently. 

[Burt Macklin 19038]

2 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

Underthrew? It was a good two yards in front of Roschon. What it looked like to me was that Roschon found a very soft spot and slowed up to keep distance from the safety that was deep (or maybe it was the corner? I don't have a replay handy).  Card expected Roschon to keep moving. Both contributed to the incomplete, but Card had to see that Roschon was wide the fuck open and just needed a gentle lob so he could run under it. Instead he did a bit of a side arm straight line throw that gave Roschon very little ability to adjust once the ball was in the air. 

 

What are you talking about? It wasn’t an overthrow. Card under threw it inside so Roschon had to move to his right to have a chance to catch it. It was a god awful throw with no pressure and a wide open receiver. 

[Pam Cummings 9652]

3 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

Underthrew? It was a good two yards in front of Roschon. What it looked like to me was that Roschon found a very soft spot and slowed up to keep distance from the safety that was deep (or maybe it was the corner? I don't have a replay handy).  Card expected Roschon to keep moving. Both contributed to the incomplete, but Card had to see that Roschon was wide the fuck open and just needed a gentle lob so he could run under it. Instead he did a bit of a side arm straight line throw that gave Roschon very little ability to adjust once the ball was in the air. 

 

I couldn't tell by the angle either. Maybe it was a touch inside. Either way, it's a throw we've seen off a few times where if it had been on the money it would have been 6 points.

[Dahobbs 17629]

Just now, Burt Macklin said:

What are you talking about? It wasn’t an overthrow. Card under threw it inside so Roschon had to move to his right to have a chance to catch it. It was a god awful throw with no pressure and a wide open receiver. 

I see what you're saying. I guess I find it weird to call it an underthrow when it lands 2 yards in front of a wide open receiver. But yeah, underthrow inside I suppose is a good description. 

[Armybrat 40861]

1 hour ago, El Squared said:

Worthy wasn’t a bad QB last night

Worthy could throw it to himself.

[Codaxx 5814]

Card is as solid last night, but also a little lucky. He missed 3 wide open plays for TDs (1 completed). I believe his longest completion of the day was the poor decision to throw to a double teamed Worthy in the end zone. Great catch by Worthy, but I don’t think Card called bank off the safety’s hands. He had another throw in the second half bounce off the hands of a defender. There was good and some bad. Plenty enough good to win, but enough bad to see why he is the back up. 

Edited October 2, 2022 by Codaxx

[UTEE97 3522]

Dabo picked a freshman Trevor Lawrence over Kelly Bryant; Saban picked Tua over Hurts. It's not like those other QBs were bad. Great coaches aren't afraid to pick the QB who has the highest ceiling. Card looked better at home against a shitty team when the playcalling was designed not to expose his weaknesses. He has never played well on the road. 

Edited October 2, 2022 by UTEE97

[UThomas 33]

I will say Card throws a tight spiral, even under duress.  The ball to Roschon dropped in at his ankles btw

[nineliveslost 2792]

1 hour ago, Horn Dog said:

Although Card is far from perfect, and his missed open balls over 10yards make me want to kick puppy, he had a good game overall and has improved.   Hope that the switch has flipped and he continues to improve.  Sark needs to just lock him in a room for a week and make him do mental processing exercises 

The best thing Sark can do is allow Card to run IF his ankle can take it. 

[Horn Dog 9896]

30 minutes ago, Burt Macklin said:

What are you talking about? It wasn’t an overthrow. Card under threw it inside so Roschon had to move to his right to have a chance to catch it. It was a god awful throw with no pressure and a wide open receiver. 

It was absolutely a shitty under throw that dropped like a brick

 

 

[jimmyjazz 46008]

3 minutes ago, Horn Dog said:

It was absolutely a shitty under throw that dropped like a brick

His "base" was all kinds of wonky on that throw.  He could have taken another stride to get better set.

[Dahobbs 17629]

19 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

Card is as solid last night, but also a little lucky. He missed 3 wide open plays for TDs (1 completed). I believe his longest completion of the day was the poor decision to throw to a double teamed Worthy in the end zone. Great catch by Worthy, but I don’t think Card called bank off the safety’s hands. He had another throw in the second half bounce off the hands of a defender. There was good and some bad. Plenty enough good to win, but enough bad to see why he is the back up. 

I don't think the decision to throw it to Worthy in the back of the end zone was that bad. There was room in the corner. And a good throw would have given Worthy a chance to make a play and kept the underneath defender out of it. Hell, the guy covering Worthy would have been guilty of pass interference absent the outstretched tip of the underneath defender. But Card doesn't have that arm. 

[Codaxx 5814]

Just now, Dahobbs said:

I don't think the decision to throw it to Worthy in the back of the end zone was that bad. There was room in the corner. And a good throw would have given Worthy a chance to make a play and kept the underneath defender out of it. Hell, the guy covering Worthy would have been guilty of pass interference absent the outstretched tip of the underneath defender. But Card doesn't have that arm. 

It was double coverage and it bounced off the safety’s hands. It was a poor decision. It was very lucky not to be an interception.  

[RomaVicta 29957]

7 hours ago, Thatguy said:

The reason why we get frustrated with Card is because we know that eventually we are going to play a good secondary, where guys are running right behind or next to our guys and he has to make on schedule throws.

That or it's just hard to let go of an opinion repeated over and over. 

Victor Lazlo is correct. If you're not enjoying what Card is doing then football must be generally a miserable experience for you. 

I watch the season game to game. Card has been just about heroic playing injured and still making key runs at key moments when we seem to be at the point of faltering.

No one will remember his scramble last night for a first down in a game with a lopsided score, but it, to me, is a key moment in UT's trajectory. It came at a moment when there was a glimmer of hope for WV, and we were in that spot where we have lacked the instinct to finish a kill. Third and long. A punt to WV is a sickening notion considering our history. Card gets the first down. We finish the winner's path. 

It doesn't matter who is better or worse than a player on the field when a game is on. Our team is comprised of the guys playing. If Card were the disaster that so many have insisted he is, we'd be in a hell of shape right now. He's risen to the challenge. I'm delighted about it and proud of him.

Ewers is more effective, but he's not playing. I don't see a reason to hold that against Card.

I also love the way this team is playing. We look like Texas out there. 

[Dahobbs 17629]

30 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

It was double coverage and it bounced off the safety’s hands. It was a poor decision. It was very lucky not to be an interception.  

We were definitely lucky. But the only reason the safety is in a position for it bounce off his hands is because it was underthrown. Worthy had a step on both defenders and had to stop and turn around for the ball. A ball in the corner gives him a chance to make a play and limits the risk. Other QBs can make that throw. Card can't. 

https://youtu.be/prhhT4UOdRU?t=251

 

[Horn Dog 9896]

44 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

If you're not enjoying what Card is doing then football must be generally a miserable experience for you. 

 

Edited October 2, 2022 by Horn Dog

[Newdoc 3448]

Card definitely balled out last night (opened playbook, getting Sanders more touches) but WVU also bailed him out with some bad defensive back and safety play. Better defenses would have us groaning about several throws.

[HtownHorn 14758]

4 hours ago, CleverNickname said:

Was at DKR. Was the Roschon (wheel?) pass a drop or on Card? 

It was on Card, he threw a pass behind Johnson. Johnson should have caught it, but it would have been a TD had Card delivered a catchable ball. Just like on 1st throw to Johnson earlier in the game.

This is why we have issues with Card's inconsistent ball placement. Sarkisian schemed up wide open guys and Card missed on a lot of them. Against better defenses you can't miss wide open receivers. That will cost you games, just like it did last year when Thompson missed wide open receivers.

Card is now at a point that all good backup QBs are there for. They will not lose the game, but they don't make enough plays to win games when they are needed.

Edited October 2, 2022 by HtownHorn

[Biff Tannen 45697]

2 hours ago, RomaVicta said:

Card has been just about heroic playing injured and still making key runs at key moments when we seem to be at the point of faltering.

No one will remember his scramble last night for a first down in a game with a lopsided score, but it, to me, is a key moment in UT's trajectory. It came at a moment when there was a glimmer of hope for WV, and we were in that spot where we have lacked the instinct to finish a kill. Third and long. A punt to WV is a sickening notion considering our history. Card gets the first down. We finish the winner's path. 

 

This is all true.  And Ewers should starts.

[ImissWallyPryor 9046]

1 hour ago, Dahobbs said:

We were definitely lucky. But the only reason the safety is in a position for it bounce off his hands is because it was underthrown. Worthy had a step on both defenders and had to stop and turn around for the ball. A ball in the corner gives him a chance to make a play and limits the risk. Other QBs can make that throw. Card can't. 

https://youtu.be/prhhT4UOdRU?t=251

 

The throw was also late. Worthy would’ve run out of end zone had he led him in stride. The ball needed to come out of Card’s hand a fraction of a second sooner.

I’m not a Card hater, but that’s what I see. 

[El Squared 1813]

Just win baby, no other fucks given…..take every W while you can. Play angry and don’t turtle. 

[RomaVicta 29957]

Criticism is fine and interesting. Card isn't perfect. I've been interested in the exceedingly vast analysis of two of Card's more questionable throws. I think the criticism is valid.

However, I do find it telling that those who have doubted or despised Card only want to talk about those plays. There has been only slight and accurate praise of how he improvises when he threatens to run the ball. I love that part of his game. 

[YChang 3457]

20 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

Criticism is fine and interesting. Card isn't perfect. I've been interested in the exceedingly vast analysis of two of Card's more questionable throws. I think the criticism is valid.

However, I do find it telling that those who have doubted or despised Card only want to talk about those plays. There has been only slight and accurate praise of how he improvises when he threatens to run the ball. I love that part of his game. 

Was at the game and seems like there were moments when he’s holding on to the ball and takes forever to make a decision. Just processing and processing and understandably it’s most likely he’s still not a 100% but my recall was there was several plays where there was nothing but green in front of him and no one  nearby. Really surprised he didn’t take off running more.