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  On 11/4/2022 at 6:58 PM, Aqua Buddha said:

They won 24 games last year and tried as hard as possible to lose but if SGA stays healthy, they'll easily win 30 games.  They've already won 4 and all of their games have been against playoff teams except for Orlando.

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so you are interested in wager 1 then?

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  On 11/4/2022 at 7:17 PM, BigOrange1 said:

so you are interested in wager 1 then?

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I'm not sold at Shai being healthy all year.  I'm saying he's injury prone but the dude does get hurt, albeit some of those were tanking injuries.  He's playing really well so far this season but yeah, if he plays 70+ games, they'll win at least 30.  The back half of their schedule is much easier.

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  On 11/4/2022 at 6:58 PM, Aqua Buddha said:

They won 24 games last year and tried as hard as possible to lose but if SGA stays healthy, they'll easily win 30 games.  They've already won 4 and all of their games have been against playoff teams except for Orlando.

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You don't get to count 2 games you won against the Clippers both without Kawhi and one of those without Paul George as "playoff teams." Other than that, you beat Dallas in OT on a night where Luka couldn't throw it in the ocean (8-23 overall and 0-6 from 3) coming off a big game against Brooklyn, and Orlando who is arguably the worst team in the league. You are playing fucking Poku 20+ minutes a game. No team that's actively trying to win does that. And SGA isn't going to stay "healthy." They sit that dude for a week if he has the vaguest  hint of a hangnail. 

  On 11/4/2022 at 7:06 PM, Aqua Buddha said:

Giddey was averaging 7 APG for the last two months so yeah, a 6'9" guy with those passing skills would help any of those guys running off screens.  

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Not if you don't have to guard him outside of about 15 feet he doesn't. And he's such a shitty defender that any big playing behind him has a better than zero chance of winding up in foul trouble. Also, if there were ever any statistics in the history of the NBA that qualify as empty calories, it is whatever numbers that were posted at the end of last season for the Thunder. That team played nothing but garbage time for about the last 3 months of the season. They had 26 different players listed on their roster at some point. 26! If you want to take away something subjective from his play, I'll allow it because I do think that he's got some game, but Franz Wagner is probably better fit next to Banchero on both sides of the court than Giddey.

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  On 11/4/2022 at 9:35 PM, Mitch Cumsteen said:

You don't get to count 2 games you won against the Clippers both without Kawhi and one of those without Paul George as "playoff teams." Other than that, you beat Dallas in OT on a night where Luka couldn't throw it in the ocean (8-23 overall and 0-6 from 3) coming off a big game against Brooklyn, and Orlando who is arguably the worst team in the league. You are playing fucking Poku 20+ minutes a game. No team that's actively trying to win does that. And SGA isn't going to stay "healthy." They sit that dude for a week if he has the vaguest  hint of a hangnail. 

Not if you don't have to guard him outside of about 15 feet he doesn't. And he's such a shitty defender that any big playing behind him has a better than zero chance of winding up in foul trouble. Also, if there were ever any statistics in the history of the NBA that qualify as empty calories, it is whatever numbers that were posted at the end of last season for the Thunder. That team played nothing but garbage time for about the last 3 months of the season. They had 26 different players listed on their roster at some point. 26! If you want to take away something subjective from his play, I'll allow it because I do think that he's got some game, but Franz Wagner is probably better fit next to Banchero on both sides of the court than Giddey.

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Thunder also had multiple players out against the Clippers.  Shai and PG were out for the first one and they were both back for the second.  OKC still didn't have Giddey or the Williams rookie that they seem to like.

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Kyrie ghosted the owner of the Nets for a week:

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/34948105/inside-high-wire-decision-suspend-brooklyn-nets-star-kyrie-irving

 

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For several agonizing days, the pleas had grown into a crescendo for Brooklyn Nets owner Joe Tsai to punish star guard Kyrie Irving. The most important and invested voices in his orbit -- including NBA commissioner Adam Silver and Nets general manager Sean Marks -- had sided with a broad swath of the public in believing that Irving's refusal to condemn the contents of an antisemitic film he shared on his social media had left the Nets no choice but to suspend him, sources told ESPN.

Against the backdrop of calls for swift action, sources said Tsai had resisted and insisted on taking time to educate Irving on the horrors of antisemitism. He'd enlisted the counsel of the Anti-Defamation League, watched the full 3½ hours of the hate-filled movie Irving had shared, "Hebrews to Negroes: Wake Up Black America" -- complete with its Holocaust denialism and quoting of antisemites such as Adolf Hitler and Henry Ford -- and researched the Black Hebrew Israelite movement, whose beliefs Irving frequently references in public settings.

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As it turned out, the redemptive arc that Tsai had imagined for his star had devolved into what the owner felt was a repetitive exercise in Irving's betrayal of good faith, sources said. For nearly a week, Tsai kept extending the clock to give Irving a chance to get this right for himself, the franchise and the Jewish community -- and Irving never returned a single of his text messages, sources said. Almost a week later, Irving had shown no inclination to deliver an apology, nor a disassociation of the movie's contents, nor a willingness to answer "No" when asked if he held antisemitic beliefs.

The team Thursday leveled a five-game suspension without pay, declaring Irving "currently unfit to be associated with the Brooklyn Nets."

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I would like to congratulate Kyrie on finally reaching the "find out" portion of his personal journey. From imploding two (and currently in the process of three) franchises to flat earthers to anti-vax bullshit to randomly taking mental health vacation days to Alex Jones to holocaust denying, it was long, long overdue.

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  On 11/5/2022 at 3:04 AM, Vic Mackey said:
  On 11/5/2022 at 1:16 AM, ztejas said:
Get him off of that fucking trainwreck team. 
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He chose this. On his own. He orchestrated the whole thing. He wanted to prove he could do it on his own. He can't.

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Durant messed around and found out on this as well. He chose this path. He chose to walk away from the best situation in the NBA to be on a team with someone who belongs in an insane asylum. He chose the head coach and his own words at the time of the hiring indicate that. He made his bed and he can continue to lie in it. 

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  On 11/5/2022 at 3:01 AM, Mitch Cumsteen said:

I would like to congratulate Kyrie on finally reaching the "find out" portion of his personal journey. From imploding two (and currently in the process of three) franchises to flat earthers to anti-vax bullshit to randomly taking mental health vacation days to Alex Jones to holocaust denying, it was long, long overdue.

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This has got be the single greatest find out moment a player in the NBA has ever had. It’s incredible the amount of crazy things he has said and done in his career. I feel like there is still more to come from him as he can’t contain the crazy, at all.

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  On 11/5/2022 at 3:45 AM, shadow_operative said:

 

he's unreal.

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Lol I don't think one of his buckets was assisted. Nor was he getting any screens. It's literally him just going one on one and creating his own shot getting to the rim or pulling up. Poor Demar would have been league MVP if he played in an era where they didn't shoot threes like they do today.

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Prediction: Giannis will have a 15 assist game soon. He basically drives it to the FT line, if they collapse on him he hits the open man for an easy shot. It’s pretty much unstoppable.

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  On 11/5/2022 at 1:54 AM, Fastbreak said:


He was the conductor. He loves the drama.

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  On 11/5/2022 at 3:04 AM, Vic Mackey said:
  On 11/5/2022 at 1:16 AM, ztejas said:
Get him off of that fucking trainwreck team. 
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He chose this. On his own. He orchestrated the whole thing. He wanted to prove he could do it on his own. He can't.

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  On 11/5/2022 at 3:17 AM, UpperWestside said:

Durant messed around and found out on this as well. He chose this path. He chose to walk away from the best situation in the NBA to be on a team with someone who belongs in an insane asylum. He chose the head coach and his own words at the time of the hiring indicate that. He made his bed and he can continue to lie in it. 

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  On 11/5/2022 at 12:46 PM, Pam Cummings said:

He's the same as Lebron at this point. They chose their situation. Zero sympathy.

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I just don't care. He's too good at basketball to waste away the end of his prime like this. It isn't good for the game. He's like one of the 5 best 34 year olds ever. 

Shit get LeBron off the Lakers while we're at it. Put them on the same team somewhere. 

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KD's behavior during the whole Kyrie saga(s) is an indictment of his complete lack of leadership skills. His whole "just want to play ball" mantra has become a cover for this deficiency. He may have won MVPs at GS, but that was never his team. This Nets team is his, and it's been a tire fire seen from the moon since the jump.

I've always enjoyed giving LBJ shit for losing in the Finals more than he's won, but every single trip was due to his ability to carry the team through the season and reach the top. That required elite ball skills, AND elite leadership skills. KD's career will end with two rent-a-titles and a legacy of ignoring his responsibilities as a leader of men. What a shame.

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  On 11/5/2022 at 2:51 PM, Herpa Derpa said:

KD's behavior during the whole Kyrie saga(s) is an indictment of his complete lack of leadership skills. His whole "just want to play ball" mantra has become a cover for this deficiency. He may have won MVPs at GS, but that was never his team. This Nets team is his, and it's been a tire fire seen from the moon since the jump.

I've always enjoyed giving LBJ shit for losing in the Finals more than he's won, but every single trip was due to his ability to carry the team through the season and reach the top. That required elite ball skills, AND elite leadership skills. KD's career will end with two rent-a-titles and a legacy of ignoring his responsibilities as a leader of men. What a shame.

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Lebron's Cleveland title with Kyrie as second banana is up there with the greatest achievements in sports history. Mind bottling considering who they beat and how they did it and the fact that nutjob idiot Kyrie played like a real basketball player during that run.

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  On 11/5/2022 at 3:13 PM, Pam Cummings said:

Lebron's Cleveland title with Kyrie as second banana is up there with the greatest achievements in sports history. Mind bottling considering who they beat and how they did it and the fact that nutjob idiot Kyrie played like a real basketball player during that run.

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I actually think he was more impressive the year before when he played 1 on 5 vs GS but just ran out of gas.  

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  On 11/5/2022 at 5:40 PM, Message Board User said:

Ouch.

 

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I would be willing to give it until the trade deadline before I would attempt to find other pieces to put around those two that might make their lineup better. Sometimes guys need time to adjust to one another to make things work. They may well not fit together at all, but they need time together to find that out.

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I haven't watched a ton of MN play this year but the games I have watched they get killed with Gobert playing drop on pick and rolls. Meanwhile the other team kills them by playing drop when Rudy sets a pick b/c he is zero threat on anything but a dive/roll to the rim. With the primary ball handler being a well-below league average 3-pt threat (Russell) they don't have to worry about the pull up off the screen and can play him straight up. Playing Rudy with KAT facilitates all of KAT's bad tendencies by encouraging him to hang out 25 feet from the rim instead of abusing mismatches in the post. If you try to pull Rudy out of the key on offense to work KAT in the post you're inviting a double team on KAT and basically playing 4 on 5 on that end of the floor. Maybe they will make some adjustments and put  together a winning formula, but right now the Rudy trade and their other off-season moves are clear net negatives.

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  On 11/6/2022 at 4:43 PM, SilasCoade said:

I haven't watched a ton of MN play this year but the games I have watched they get killed with Gobert playing drop on pick and rolls. Meanwhile the other team kills them by playing drop when Rudy sets a pick b/c he is zero threat on anything but a dive/roll to the rim. With the primary ball handler being a well-below league average 3-pt threat (Russell) they don't have to worry about the pull up off the screen and can play him straight up. Playing Rudy with KAT facilitates all of KAT's bad tendencies by encouraging him to hang out 25 feet from the rim instead of abusing mismatches in the post. If you try to pull Rudy out of the key on offense to work KAT in the post you're inviting a double team on KAT and basically playing 4 on 5 on that end of the floor. Maybe they will make some adjustments and put  together a winning formula, but right now the Rudy trade and their other off-season moves are clear net negatives.

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Yeah.... nobody saw all that coming.

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  On 11/7/2022 at 12:13 AM, aggie08 said:
I mean, it's early...but their bench is shallow and awful. Their starters need to be able to punish teams, and obviously are not.
 

Naz Reid came into the season as our 11th man and is our 3rd or 4th best player lol. Nowell is a volume scorer, Taureen Prince is good, I’m still figuring out if I can stomach Kyle Anderson’s lethargic play


Admittedly the starting 5 has underachieved my expectations. DLo has been ass. Ant is jeckyll and Hyde.

Lots of teams pegged as contenders are stumbling out of the gates: sixers, heat, nets, warriors

Maybe Rudy getting Covid will pull some of our heads out of our asses
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i found it highly satisfying today when LeBron's hometown Cavs, an organization that has drafted and traded well, acquiring a stockpile of young talent, beat the LAL LeBron & Friends Lakers by fourteen points. it's hilarious, the opposing trajectories of those two franchises.

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