NBA 2022-2023 Season Thread

[Chewbacca 7777]

Shit, between KD and Kyrie, the west just got a lot tougher.  Hope the Nuggets can pull something off in the next hour, although more than anything they just need to stay healthy at this point.

[Dutchrudder 11139]

Warriors get 5 2nds for Bey....

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Chewbacca 7777]

Trading Bones for 2 2nds is not what I was talking about.  Things must have gotten bad in the locker room for that trade to go down.

[Dutchrudder 11139]

 

It's happening.gif!!!

Finally EG is being traded! It would be hilarious if John Wall is part of this deal as a salary dump.

 

Edited February 9, 2023 by Dutchrudder

[Reynolds Woodcock 4739]

Turning the 2nd pick into 5 seconds in less than three years is not great, Bob. Of course taking Kuminga over Wagner was even worse (even at the time). A championship takes the sting off two whiffs I suppose.

[RabidM 2666]

Celtics acquire legit 3pt shooting big, Mike Muscala, from OKC for some change they found in their couch cushions.  He's on a good contract with a team option for next season. Shooting 39.4% from 3 point range this year after shooting 42.9% last season. 

[Dutchrudder 11139]

NIce get, makes the Bryant trade more reasonable. 

 

 

[Tylerocks 2553]

Mo Bamba to Lakers for Pat Bev

[Henry Hill 3156]

 

[Wulaw Horn 19069]

55 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

I have mixed feelings on the trade for Phoenix.  They traded their future and current depth for win now.  Yeah, they have 4 really good players but two of them are old(ish) and have injury problems.  If it doesn't work, they can blow it up by trading Booker and Ayton to get picks back but still.  You gotta spend money to make money, though.

Nets are blowing it up, as they should, but they're still stuck with that Simmons deal.

That deal isn’t a problem. It has what- 2 years left on it after this year?  Maybe 3?  Their title contention window isn’t in the next 2 years and in the final year it will be an expiring and a quasi asset. 
plus there’s always the slight chance they get him right. 

[UpperWestside 6163]

23 minutes ago, Tylerocks said:

Mo Bamba to Lakers for Pat Bev

That’s a win solely to have another guy out who needed to go. Bamba seems to have a positive attitude and he will get the chance to increase his value.

[d2o 1602]

55 minutes ago, Dutchrudder said:

 

It's happening.gif!!!

Finally EG is being traded! It would be hilarious if John Wall is part of this deal as a salary dump.

 

He is!    Cant imagine any way he isnt bought out but still funny.

 

 

 

Edited February 9, 2023 by d2o

[Vic Mackey 47029]

Lol

[d2o 1602]

 

 

[Reynolds Woodcock 4739]

 

[d2o 1602]

 

 

[Mitch Cumsteen 18549]

55 minutes ago, Reynolds Woodcock said:

Turning the 2nd pick into 5 seconds in less than three years is not great, Bob. Of course taking Kuminga over Wagner was even worse (even at the time). A championship takes the sting off two whiffs I suppose.

They're apparently re-routing the picks to Portland to get Gary Payton Jr back. So, they turned the #2 pick into a 30 year old journeyman who they let walk in free agency last season. Granted, he was fucking great for them in the playoffs last year, but still...

[d2o 1602]

So HOU kept Gordon all this time and ultimately got nothing for him?

 

[OB3 3608]

L deadline for the Bulls. 2 games below .500 and they’re 1 of 2 teams to not make a single move. Either improve your roster or tank. All you’re doing is continuing mediocracy. 

[BigOrange1 6436]

3 minutes ago, d2o said:

So HOU kept Gordon all this time and ultimately got nothing for him?

 

they have the rights to swap milwaukee's first round pick this year with the worst of the okc/clippers pics.  as of today, that would be swapping the #28 pick for the #18 pick.  

[Mitch Cumsteen 18549]

Saddiq Bey is a decent player on a rookie contract. Put him on an actual team where he can get open shots created by others and he becomes a nice piece. I'm not sure what Detroit is thinking here. I guess they get to roll the dice on Wiseman, but it seems like a bad bet.

And is Houston just doing Eric Gordon a solid? What are they getting out of this beyond that? I would have given anything to see the look on John Wall's face when they told him he got traded back to Houston.

Edited February 9, 2023 by Mitch Cumsteen

[aggie08 21498]

15 minutes ago, Mitch Cumsteen said:

They're apparently re-routing the picks to Portland to get Gary Payton Jr back. So, they turned the #2 pick into a 30 year old journeyman who they let walk in free agency last season. Granted, he was fucking great for them in the playoffs last year, but still...

Yeah, not great. I think Wiseman could be halfways decent--or at least a rotation player--in another system, but he's obviously been an awful fit for the Warriors brand of basketball, even when healthy. His basketball IQ at this point is, uh, not optimal. Not a great sign for his career when playing Javale McGee's role is asking too much. He couldn't even stay on the court long enough to improve his trade value...which is what they've desperately been trying to do all season.

Swapping out a DNP on the stat sheet to fill an obvious need and save on taxes is about the best they could do.

 

[Mitch Cumsteen 18549]

7 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

Yeah, not great. I think Wiseman could be halfways decent--or at least a rotation player--in another system, but he's obviously been an awful fit for the Warriors brand of basketball, even when healthy. His basketball IQ at this point is, uh, not optimal. Not a great sign for his career when playing Javale McGee's role is asking too much. He couldn't even stay on the court long enough to improve his trade value...which is what they've desperately been trying to do all season.

Swapping out a DNP on the stat sheet to fill an obvious need and save on taxes is about the best they could do.

 

Not taking Lamelo Ball in that draft has got to be tough to swallow right about now. And then to follow it up with Kuminga and Moody... oof.  Granted the jury is still out on both of them, but the early returns aren't looking great right about now. It's so rare that a contender is able to have that kind of draft capital, but as of now it certainly looks like they pissed away the opportunity to bridge from the current version directly into a next generation contender. Those light years just ain't what they used to be. That core is getting older and that tax isn't getting any less expensive. Going to be some difficult choices made by the Warriors front office in the next few years.

[Vic Mackey 47029]

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[MNLonghornFUKM 8817]

Not taking Lamelo Ball in that draft has got to be tough to swallow right about now. And then to follow it up with Kuminga and Moody... oof.  Granted the jury is still out on both of them, but the early returns aren't looking great right about now. It's so rare that a contender is able to have that kind of draft capital, but as of now it certainly looks like they pissed away the opportunity to bridge from the current version directly into a next generation contender. Those light years just ain't what they used to be. That core is getting older and that tax isn't getting any less expensive. Going to be some difficult choices made by the Warriors front office in the next few years.

Something something draft picks are overrated and extremely expendable something something

[Reynolds Woodcock 4739]

29 minutes ago, Mitch Cumsteen said:

Not taking Lamelo Ball in that draft has got to be tough to swallow right about now. And then to follow it up with Kuminga and Moody... oof.  Granted the jury is still out on both of them, but the early returns aren't looking great right about now. It's so rare that a contender is able to have that kind of draft capital, but as of now it certainly looks like they pissed away the opportunity to bridge from the current version directly into a next generation contender. Those light years just ain't what they used to be. That core is getting older and that tax isn't getting any less expensive. Going to be some difficult choices made by the Warriors front office in the next few years.

Passing on Wagner was insane at the time, and even crazier in retrospect. 

[Dutchrudder 11139]

If LaMelo Balls dad didn't exist, or was a normal human being, do you think the warriors take him instead?

[Michael Knight 12977]

James Wiseman was always a terrible pick and I'm glad the Warriors fucked that up. Dude played like 10 minutes in college

[Mitch Cumsteen 18549]

3 minutes ago, longhornmatt said:

It seems like only a couple of months ago people were acting like Kuminga was some cornerstone piece.  I never really saw what the fuss was all about - oh wow, young athletic 6’8” guy who needs to improve his shot and handle, not exactly a unicorn - so I’d tend to agree that wasn’t a home run pick.  But if someone was high on him before, what has changed this year to make that a bad pick?  Were people just getting caught up in the hype of overrating every player that plays for the champion (they’re all just winners with intangibles galore!)?

The book on Kuminga was that he was just raw and needed experience and minutes. Well, they've increased his minutes and his numbers have gotten worse. It's way too soon to give up on him, but you would like to see some sort of year over year improvement -- anywhere -- from a 20 year old in year 2. Granted, I haven't watched him much so I can't comment on whether he's doing good stuff that isn't showing up in the box score, but there doesn't seem to be much encouraging from him. And you could probably say the same thing about Moses Moody -- he's probably about the same as his rookie year. You'd really like to see some development, any development out of them. But they're both still super young so who knows? 

[aggie08 21498]

55 minutes ago, MNLonghornFUKM said:

Something something draft picks are overrated and extremely expendable something something

Um, let's go ahead and not use the 4x NBA Champion Warriors fucking up a couple of draft picks to try to rationalize the front office disaster of the Rudy Gobert trade. Especially when they're built around a player that Minnesota should have taken...in the draft. Thanks.

Edited February 9, 2023 by aggie08

[Michael Knight 12977]

1 hour ago, MNLonghornFUKM said:

Something something draft picks are overrated and extremely expendable something something

A fan of a team that can't draft and forfeited multiple years of picks to sign Joe Smith would say that

Edited February 9, 2023 by Michael Knight

[Chewbacca 7777]

2 hours ago, OB3 said:

L deadline for the Bulls. 2 games below .500 and they’re 1 of 2 teams to not make a single move. Either improve your roster or tank. All you’re doing is continuing mediocracy. 

I was really hoping the Nuggets would figure out a way to get Caruso from them, but it was not to be.

[MNLonghornFUKM 8817]

Um, let's go ahead and not use the 4x NBA Champion Warriors fucking up a couple of draft picks to try to rationalize the front office disaster of the Rudy Gobert trade. Especially when they're built around a player that Minnesota should have taken...in the draft. Thanks.

I will go ahead and use the 4X nba champion recent draft record. Because every team in every draft have high bust probability.

[aggie08 21498]

45 minutes ago, MNLonghornFUKM said:

I will go ahead and use the 4X nba champion recent draft record. Because every team in every draft have high bust probability.

Ah. Well in that case you should trade them all for a 30 year old 7 footer who's maybe a borderline Top 20 player.

[MNLonghornFUKM 8817]

Ah. Well in that case you should trade them all for a 30 year old 7 footer who's maybe a borderline Top 20 player.

Over the crap the warriors drafted recently? Ok. I’m in

[Brothahorn 10087]

2 hours ago, Michael Knight said:

A fan of a team that can't draft and forfeited multiple years of picks to sign Joe Smith would say that

[Brothahorn 10087]

3 hours ago, Dutchrudder said:

If LaMelo Balls dad didn't exist, or was a normal human being, do you think the warriors take him instead?

That's not a bad question. Of course LaMelo would not be a full time starter but he would part of a winning team and probably have at least one ring. But Lavar would be pissed that he wasn't a starter. Even if it meant no rings.

[MNLonghornFUKM 8817]

We’re actually better than last years record at this part of the season, I believe.


With kat out the majority of it. But I guess that wasn’t in the plan?

[Message Board User 12395]

A Suns-Mavs first round matchup would be delicious.  Just enormous pressure on both teams in such a hypothetical matchup.

[Aqua Buddha 14595]

 

[MNLonghornFUKM 8817]

When does KD return? That suns roster is trash and could lose a lot of games before he returns and will have to play major catch up

[Aqua Buddha 14595]

Bill Simmons on his pod said he loved the trade but thought it was the second biggest haul in history.  #1 was the Paul George trade and #3 was Rudy Gobert.

[Dutchrudder 11139]

The players in the Gobert trade were pretty lame compared to SGA and Bridges. Lots of picks in all of them, but player talent was lacking. 

[Aqua Buddha 14595]

6 minutes ago, Dutchrudder said:

The players in the Gobert trade were pretty lame compared to SGA and Bridges. Lots of picks in all of them, but player talent was lacking. 

Yeah, he talked about that, too.  Said why trade your future for something unless it gets you into title contention.  Minnesota did all that for Rudy Gobert.  Talked about how the Nets did this with Boston and how badly it turned out for them.  I didn't know the NBA almost stepped in and prevented teams from doing it.  Now, multiple teams in the West (for some reason) have traded away their entire future to win right now.  OKC, Utah, New Orleans, and maybe a few other teams are going to control the draft in the next few years. 

[shadow_operative 15932]

did anyone else see that lebron ceremony/speech? man that was awkward and weird. aside from the fact that the entire speech was basically, "wow, what a great role model and leader i am!", he also said things like, "i dreamt of wearing an afro and flying in the dunk contest like kobe bryant (despite the fact that he neither wore an afro nor competed in the dunk contest at any point during his career), and, "my wife is the real mvp" (hmm, feels like i've heard that somewhere before). this was another one of those moments where, as much as i like lebron, and as much as i don't want to be a hater, he's so awkward at times with how he tries to portray himself that it's hard not to give him the side eye and wonder wtf he's thinking, lol. 

Edited February 10, 2023 by shadow_operative

[MNLonghornFUKM 8817]

I had it on mute and knew it was stupid.

[Dutchrudder 11139]

They had a whole Lebron celebration before the Bucks game tonight, and he's not even playing in the game lol...

 

During the OKC game, the ceremony held on court is this video. Speeches start around the 4 minute mark. 

 

 

Edited February 10, 2023 by Dutchrudder

[Mitch Cumsteen 18549]

1 hour ago, shadow_operative said:

did anyone else see that lebron ceremony/speech? man that was awkward and weird. aside from the fact that the entire speech was basically, "wow, what a great role model and leader i am!", he also said things like, "i dreamt of wearing an afro and flying in the dunk contest like kobe bryant (despite the fact that he neither wore an afro nor competed in the dunk contest at any point during his career), and, "my wife is the real mvp" (hmm, feels like i've heard that somewhere before). this was another one of those moments where, as much as i like lebron, and as much as i don't want to be a hater, he's so awkward at times with how he tries to portray himself that it's hard not to give him the side eye and wonder wtf he's thinking, lol. 

It’s odd to me because on some level it feels heartfelt and genuine, yet also somehow contrived.

[Voldemort86 2259]

33 minutes ago, Mitch Cumsteen said:

It’s odd to me because on some level it feels heartfelt and genuine, yet also somehow contrived.

He learned nothing from “the decision”. That was a massive train wreck as well.

[Michael Knight 12977]

3 hours ago, shadow_operative said:

did anyone else see that lebron ceremony/speech? man that was awkward and weird. aside from the fact that the entire speech was basically, "wow, what a great role model and leader i am!", he also said things like, "i dreamt of wearing an afro and flying in the dunk contest like kobe bryant (despite the fact that he neither wore an afro nor competed in the dunk contest at any point during his career), and, "my wife is the real mvp" (hmm, feels like i've heard that somewhere before). this was another one of those moments where, as much as i like lebron, and as much as i don't want to be a hater, he's so awkward at times with how he tries to portray himself that it's hard not to give him the side eye and wonder wtf he's thinking, lol. 

are you an idiot?