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When I was younger, I read about Nikola Tesla and how he was working on his vision for a deployment of his inventions that would make free energy available to everyone.  He envisioned flying machines powered by wireless electricity transmitted from towers that generated or transmitted energy at zero cost.  I remember reading about how JP Morgan, his financial backer at the time, learned about his plans and cut off his funding - dooming his plans to failure.  I think about that now in light of the USA's hegemony predicated upon the dependence of the world on oil and the economic structure of the petrodollar system.  If there were a modern day Tesla who was genius enough and had the means to see it through in realizing Tesla's dream, it would mean the end of the petrodollar and completely upend geopolitical power.  Do you think the folks who are invested in American hegemony would let such an individual be successful?

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I know that and since when would you ever care about the truth? Your little Obama is so precious. Oh fuck.

Equinox
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Is this the new "what will I tell my children" thread from the Shag?

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Having lived in the EU for almost 5 years and running a small business and attempting to start others, I agree, it is harder to get rich.  America is still the place to hopefully get rich starting a s

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46 minutes ago, bernorange said:

When I was younger, I read about Nikola Tesla and how he was working on his vision for a deployment of his inventions that would make free energy available to everyone.  He envisioned flying machines powered by wireless electricity transmitted from towers that generated or transmitted energy at zero cost.  I remember reading about how JP Morgan, his financial backer at the time, learned about his plans and cut off his funding - dooming his plans to failure.  I think about that now in light of the USA's hegemony predicated upon the dependence of the world on oil and the economic structure of the petrodollar system.  If there were a modern day Tesla who was genius enough and had the means to see it through in realizing Tesla's dream, it would mean the end of the petrodollar and completely upend geopolitical power.  Do you think the folks who are invested in American hegemony would let such an individual be successful?

Tesla's approach, which equates to something like a huge wireless charging system, would produce a lot of radio interference and disable our communications. So that won't work.

What I find odd is that electrons and protons were produced somehow, assuming they have not been around for infinty, and nobody is working on the problem. If we figure out how to make electrons we will have a limitless supply of energy. Further, any time there are reports of an experiment that produces excess electrons and consequently excess energy, it is immediately criticised by the mainstream science community and media. So scientists take the position that electrons were produced and then take the opposite position by denying that they can be produced.

I plan to work on the problem whenever I figure out where I can live and set up my lab. If I succeed I expect the mainstream will deny my results are real, just as they always do.

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3 minutes ago, RayDog said:

Tesla's approach, which equates to something like a huge wireless charging system, would produce a lot of radio interference and disable our communications. So that won't work.

What I find odd is that electrons and protons were produced somehow, assuming they have not been around for infinty, and nobody is working on the problem. If we figure out how to make electrons we will have a limitless supply of energy. Further, any time there are reports of an experiment that produces excess electrons and consequently excess energy, it is immediately criticised by the mainstream science community and media. So scientists take the position that electrons were produced and then take the opposite position by denying that they can be produced.

I plan to work on the problem whenever I figure out where I can live and set up my lab. If I succeed I expect the mainstream will deny my results are real, just as they always do.

Eh... /s?

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Tesla's approach, which equates to something like a huge wireless charging system, would produce a lot of radio interference and disable our communications. So that won't work.

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Well, I guess we figured out why SETI hasn't found evidence of alien civilizations!

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3 minutes ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

I'm sorry splain that one to me.  Doesn't SETI look for electric indicators of a man made origin ?  

No.  SETI monitors radio waves in space looking for orderly signals that might indicate alien civilizations watching television or listening to music.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Search_for_extraterrestrial_intelligence

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13 minutes ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

I'm sorry splain that one to me.  Doesn't SETI look for electric indicators of a man made origin ?  

I am assuming that an advanced civilization would use a form of faster than light communication rather than radio waves, so we need a different type of receiver to detect them.

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7 minutes ago, bernorange said:

No.  SETI monitors radio waves in space looking for orderly signals that might indicate alien civilizations watching television or listening to music.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Search_for_extraterrestrial_intelligence

We will pass through the alien patrols, past their sonar nets, and lay off their largest planet, and listen to their rock and roll... while we conduct missile drills.

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I am assuming that an advanced civilization would use a form of faster than light communication rather than radio waves, so we need a different type of receiver to detect them.

gotcha, figured there'd still be some kind of repetetive electrical signal present.

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Tell us about the land you can't get in South Texas cause the O'Connors already own all the good shit  

The Killams and Welders would disagree. Along with many other families with large amounts of dirt. 

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Wonder how much the bottom half make but don’t report?  There is a huge underground economy.  

Plenty are on the government tit based on their declared income. And plenty of “disabled” work for the side  

Plenty don’t get officially married but are effectively married so they can get welfare.  

If we want to tell the truth. 

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36 minutes ago, Johnny Sack said:

Wonder how much the bottom half make but don’t report?  There is a huge underground economy.  

Plenty are on the government tit based on their declared income. And plenty of “disabled” work for the side  

Plenty don’t get officially married but are effectively married so they can get welfare.  

If we want to tell the truth. 

Plenty being a very small minority of people who genuinely need government assistance. Certainly not enough to paint everyone who needs help as a worthless layabout. 

Most of the people who receive assistance are employed, are children, or are elderly. The image of the welfare queen (or king) living the high life on the dole is a disgustingly racist stereotype used by the right to delegitimize real need in this country. People who engage in such portrayals should be ashamed of themselves.

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45 minutes ago, Johnny Sack said:

Wonder how much the bottom half make but don’t report?  There is a huge underground economy.  

Plenty are on the government tit based on their declared income. And plenty of “disabled” work for the side  

Plenty don’t get officially married but are effectively married so they can get welfare.  

If we want to tell the truth. 

Yes, Johnny, the poor are taking you to the cleaners.  They might drive crappy old cars around YOU but let me let you in on a little secret: that waitress at Waffle House just bought a new Camaro with under the table tip money.  And she don't got to pay for them new teef, either. She got her some Obama dentures!  It's a damn shame how people get those motorized wheelchairs now.  Back in the good old days they had to roll it themselves.  Now they got ramps everywhere, because of ADA.  It's almost like being in Europe under the socialist.  But we don't have Muslim no go zones.  Only Mexicans.  You tell me, who got the better deal?!?!?!?!

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8 minutes ago, SubliminalHorn said:

Yes the person in front of you using food stamps is the issue, not the corporations and CEOs that are filthy rich purposely suppressing your wages and benefits. Yeah. 

People with jobs in this country are on food stamps.

That is shameful, and not for the people who require assistance.

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4 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

People with jobs in this country are on food stamps.

That is shameful, and not for the people who require assistance.

If you're employed and still need food stamps you need a better job, more education, something other than food stamps or higher wages for a job that pays what kids in HS make.  As wages increase for those jobs so will inflation.  A vicious cycle where the real solution the person with the low paying job needs to work towards is finding  better work or more skills to get a better job.

Part of that could be gov't assistance/ loans for actual employable trade skills.  That won't fly with some folks. Accountability is a nasty racist word to some

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2 minutes ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

If you're employed and still need food stamps you need a better job, more education, something other than food stamps or higher wages for a job that pays what kids in HS make.  As wages increase for those jobs so will inflation.  A vicious cycle where the real solution the person with the low paying job needs to work towards is finding  better work or more skills to get a better job.

Part of that could be gov't assistance/ loans for actual employable trade skills.  That won't fly with some folks. Accountability is a nasty racist word to some

No shit, Captain Obvious. 

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2 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

No shit, Captain Obvious. 

The thing that is shitty is that a lot of companies want to hire mostly part timers so they won't have to provide insurance. So these people work, but not enough to cover their expenses. 

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2 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

No shit, Captain Obvious. 

Yeah funny you didn't say shit about that, you just tried to do some guilt BS about people working at low wage jobs, and it being sapmeoelses "shame" instead of that persons.  The day you talk about individual accountability will be the  first time you do.  

So tell me who it's shameful for if not the person with the low wage job ?  Tell us about the shame of it, and whose shame it is please.  

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6 minutes ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

Yeah funny you didn't say shit about that, you just tried to do some guilt BS about people working at low wage jobs, and it being sapmeoelses "shame" instead of that persons.  The day you talk about individual accountability will be the  first time you do.  

So tell me who it's shameful for if not the person with the low wage job ?  Tell us about the shame of it, and whose shame it is please.  

So now being employed is shameful.

You people are something else.

 

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So now being employed is shameful.

You people are something else.

 

knew it, you can't even be honest when You try to lie about what you post, so you try to deflect, and then make shit up I never even stated.

You are so full of shit. 

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36 minutes ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

If you're employed and still need food stamps you need a better job, more education, something other than food stamps or higher wages for a job that pays what kids in HS make.  As wages increase for those jobs so will inflation.  A vicious cycle where the real solution the person with the low paying job needs to work towards is finding  better work or more skills to get a better job.

Part of that could be gov't assistance/ loans for actual employable trade skills.  That won't fly with some folks. Accountability is a nasty racist word to some

Damn, Fox News University is offering Economics courses. Who knew?

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27 minutes ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

Yeah funny you didn't say shit about that, you just tried to do some guilt BS about people working at low wage jobs, and it being sapmeoelses "shame" instead of that persons.  The day you talk about individual accountability will be the  first time you do.  

So tell me who it's shameful for if not the person with the low wage job ?  Tell us about the shame of it, and whose shame it is please.  

Words. What do they mean?

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14 minutes ago, Johnny Sack said:

If you’re healthy but poor in the USA, you’ve made some really bad choices.  

Perfect answer.  You get to feel good because you can point to other people and say, "They failed.  They failed ONLY because of something they did to themselves.  There are no other explanations."  You're off the hook.  No thinking required.  Just blame.  And you get to feel good and smug. 

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Maybe one day they'll offer comprehension course, you'd really benefit.

You know, one thing I've noticed about the far right is that there is always an easy explanation for everything.  Seriously, everything is easy.  Just x+y=z.  Nothing is complicated.  Quick and simple answers for everything.  

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Perfect answer.  You get to feel good because you can point to other people and say, "They failed.  They failed ONLY because of something they did to themselves.  There are no other explanations."  You're off the hook.  No thinking required.  Just blame.  And you get to feel good and smug. 

It's their fault they weren't born with a millionaire grandfather. That was a bad choice on their part.

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10 minutes ago, Johnny Sack said:

If you’re healthy but poor in the USA, you’ve made some really bad choices.  

What's your definition of poor and better yet your definition of bad choices? I mean are you only referring to those that are dirt poor or that whole class of people working for a living but barely making ends meet because of inflation, the cost of living today, the cost of our shitty health care system, excessive student loan debt, etc.?

I'm always amazed by the oversimplification of society's problem. Ultimately there will always be rich and poor and those all through the spectrum, because it's how we were built. There will also always be people that game the system, but your view of the majority gaming the system I believe is a little skewed. 

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5 hours ago, bernorange said:

When I was younger, I read about Nikola Tesla and how he was working on his vision for a deployment of his inventions that would make free energy available to everyone.  He envisioned flying machines powered by wireless electricity transmitted from towers that generated or transmitted energy at zero cost.  I remember reading about how JP Morgan, his financial backer at the time, learned about his plans and cut off his funding - dooming his plans to failure.  I think about that now in light of the USA's hegemony predicated upon the dependence of the world on oil and the economic structure of the petrodollar system.  If there were a modern day Tesla who was genius enough and had the means to see it through in realizing Tesla's dream, it would mean the end of the petrodollar and completely upend geopolitical power.  Do you think the folks who are invested in American hegemony would let such an individual be successful?

There was an article on the New Yorker about the myth of the individual inventor (I searched for it but couldn't find it just now).  The guy they highlighted was Philo T. Farnsworth (what a fucking name).  

 

Edit:  Welp, nothing like the word "Philo" to narrow down your search results.  Happy Reading:

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2002/05/27/the-televisionary

Has it been 16 years?  Damn.

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3 minutes ago, DaysOff said:
52 minutes ago, RandomIdoit said:
The thing that is shitty is that a lot of companies want to hire mostly part timers so they won't have to provide insurance. So these people work, but not enough to cover their expenses. 

Thanks Obama(care).

It wasn't Obamacare that did that.  

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3 hours ago, Johnny Sack said:

Wonder how much the bottom half make but don’t report?  There is a huge underground economy.  

Plenty are on the government tit based on their declared income. And plenty of “disabled” work for the side  

Plenty don’t get officially married but are effectively married so they can get welfare.  

If we want to tell the truth. 

If you fucking qualify for welfare, you fucking qualify for fucking welfare.

I would guess (since I don't have the numbers) that the upper class avoids more in tax revenue than all other classes combined

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2 hours ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

If you're employed and still need food stamps you need a better job, more education, something other than food stamps or higher wages for a job that pays what kids in HS make.  As wages increase for those jobs so will inflation.  A vicious cycle where the real solution the person with the low paying job needs to work towards is finding  better work or more skills to get a better job.

Part of that could be gov't assistance/ loans for actual employable trade skills.  That won't fly with some folks. Accountability is a nasty racist word to some

Oh Lord. Here we fucking go.

 

It's called "externalities" and it's another form of corporate welfare

Just shut the fuck up

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1 hour ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

Lots of things, yet you can'r string an honest group of them together.  You've yet to answer the question who is it shameful for ?

It's shameful for the fucking companies that externalize the cost of living to the government in the form of government assistance, rather than paying a living wage.

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6 hours ago, SKJ said:

It's shameful for the fucking companies that externalize the cost of living to the government in the form of government assistance, rather than paying a living wage.

Mc Donalds should pay a living wage to fry cooks and burger flippers ?  Grocery store chains should pay a living wage to bag boys, stock workers ?

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