Is this what player development looks like?

[Catdaddyhorn 3444]

Name a player who isn't way better than he was last year. 

Christian Jones

Hudson Card

Ja'Tavion Sanders

Keondre Coburn

Moro Ojomo

Vernon Broghton

T'Vondre Sweat

Barryn Sorrell

Jaylan Ford

D'Shawn Jamison

even Ovie Oghoufo

Obviously this game went exactly the way we've been dreaming it would go for the last 22 years, but I'm not just talking about this game. There has been some dramatic player improvement from last year til now and I'm here for it. 

[Auto Driller 2505]

Fucking incredible. So many weapons all over the field.

[Call 393]

It’s what has been lacking the past decade, and another step in the right direction.

[Pam Cummings 9641]

These coaches seem good at talent evalutation and development.

[Atticus 3973]

Fuck the haters, Sark is that dude.

[Mez2 4023]

3putt

[Catdaddyhorn 3444]

And I forgot about Keilan Robinson. After last season I assumed he would forever be relegated to the DJ Monroe/Daja Johnson role of never getting the ball outside of anything but a motion speed sweep or running play, but this season he's suddenly catching down field passes 

[crash_davis 23108]

Biggest differences are JT Sanders, Christian fucking Jones (probably just by changing position), Ford, and Overshown. 

[Sandbagging Steve 982]

It's what happens when you take a creative offensive game and add a quarterback, speed and give the defensive players another year in the system.

Talent and schemes when games. Development is overrated. Most coaches can develop, if they they have the right talent and good schemes.

There's still a long ways to go. This team still needs more speed and depth, especially on defense, but this is a major step in the right direction.

*win

[crash_davis 23108]

1 minute ago, Sandbagging Steve said:

It's what happens when you take a creative offensive game and add a quarterback, speed and give the defensive players another year in the system.

Talent and schemes when games. Development is overrated. Most coaches can develop, if they they have the right talent and good schemes.

There's still a long ways to go. This team still needs more speed and depth, especially on defense, but this is a major step in the right direction.

*win

oh Steve, you are just sandbagging.

[Js1 85321]

Just now, Sandbagging Steve said:

It's what happens when you take a creative offensive game and add a quarterback, speed and give the defensive players another year in the system.

Talent and schemes when games. Development is overrated. Most coaches can develop, if they they have the right talent and good schemes.

There's still a long ways to go. This team still needs more speed and depth, especially on defense, but this is a major step in the right direction.

Continuity in scheme. Glad Sark didn’t eject on PK considering who we had to play last year. 

[Hermanator 7042]

4 minutes ago, Sandbagging Steve said:

It's what happens when you take a creative offensive game and add a quarterback, speed and give the defensive players another year in the system.

Talent and schemes when games. Development is overrated. Most coaches can develop, if they they have the right talent and good schemes.

There's still a long ways to go. This team still needs more speed and depth, especially on defense, but this is a major step in the right direction.

*win

Tell that to PJ Locke, Holton Hill, and Adrian Phillips. All NFL talent but Charlie's staff couldn't develop for shit. 

[BigBenBamboozle 1952]

It’s almost like not having different position coaches and scheme every other year helps? Spitballing here..

[Etexhorn13 3045]

Can I just be the first to say the defense has been stellar so far this season. First half of UTSA had me worried but on the whole, what a huge difference. 

[Catdaddyhorn 3444]

7 minutes ago, Sandbagging Steve said:

It's what happens when you take a creative offensive game and add a quarterback, speed and give the defensive players another year in the system.

Talent and schemes when games. Development is overrated. Most coaches can develop, if they they have the right talent and good schemes.

There's still a long ways to go. This team still needs more speed and depth, especially on defense, but this is a major step in the right direction.

*win

Continuity is big as well. Our defensive seniors have had multiple coordinators and position coaches over their 4 and 5 years. A big part of our issues over the last decade plus is how frequently we have new position coaches and coordinators teaching players new techniques and schemes. 

[runthebone 7981]

Ewers makes everything better.

[Radical Larry 28589]

3putt

Scholarship revoked. Transfer to aggy.

[Hook1997 5354]

Players have definitely been developed better but Jesus half this board was fire Sark  and Pk two weeks ago. Lol.  When if Ewers was health we beat Tech by two scores atleast.   Defense after this game is very highly rated btw and wasn’t badly ranked before.  You just have to score over 31 to beat Tech always and with Ewers that would have been easy.  

Edited October 8, 2022 by Hook1997

[hobbes2702 13033]

1 minute ago, Hook1997 said:

Players have definitely been developed better but Jesus half this board was fire Sark two weeks ago. Lol.  When if Ewers was health we beat Tech by two scores atleast. 

Maybe but the offensive wasn’t really the problem against Tech. The defense couldn’t get off the field

[The Ace of Aces 5182]

15 minutes ago, Etexhorn13 said:

Can I just be the first to say the defense has been stellar so far this season. First half of UTSA had me worried but on the whole, what a huge difference. 

The Tech performance was … not good though. The D still has some pretty big issues in the secondary imo, but a terrible OU offense without a QB made ‘em look great thankfully. It’s getting better for sure, which is A+. Need more players, which we should be getting. 

That said, Tech is up in the 3rd in pokey so maybe they’re just a lot better than I anticipated. 

[Hook1997 5354]

4 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

Maybe but the offensive wasn’t really the problem against Tech. The defense couldn’t get off the field

If you don’t think Ewers starting that game wins it idk what to say….  His starting effects the attitude of the whole team and we would have scored more.  The defense isn’t perfect but it’s ranked about 50 places nationally above last year. 

Edited October 8, 2022 by Hook1997

[Etexhorn13 3045]

8 minutes ago, The Ace of Aces said:

The Tech performance was … not good though. The D still has some pretty big issues in the secondary imo, but a terrible OU offense without a QB made ‘em look great thankfully. It’s getting better for sure, which is A+. Need more players, which we should be getting. 

That said, Tech is up in the 3rd in pokey so maybe they’re just a lot better than I anticipated. 

Fair on both points. I’ll have 4th down PTSD for a while from that, Ala 3rd and Orlando, but tech is looking surprisingly competent on offense against OSU.

[hobbes2702 13033]

7 minutes ago, Hook1997 said:

If you don’t think Ewers starting that game wins it idk what to say….  His starting effects the attitude of the whole team and we would have scored more.  The defense isn’t perfect but it’s ranked about 50 places nationally above last year. 

That’s fair but our offense was barely on the field. I hope this is a turning point day for the program. We need to be consistent and we still have the better teams in conference to come. But this is the most confident I’ve been in quite some time. 

[Js1 85321]

14 minutes ago, Hook1997 said:

If you don’t think Ewers starting that game wins it idk what to say….  His starting effects the attitude of the whole team and we would have scored more.  The defense isn’t perfect but it’s ranked about 50 places nationally above last year. 

We scored 10 points in the second half and OT. Ewers would have kept the drives going and scored more than 10.  Offense only on the field 10 min in the 2nd half/OT.  Ewers keeps the chains moving in the 4th Q

After Tech got within 7, we went punt, punt, punt, FG. Took 5 min off the clock on those 3 drives before the FG drive to end the 4th Q. 

If Tech pulls within 7, QE leads us down to another score. Without a doubt. 

Edited October 8, 2022 by Js1

[Sandbagging Steve 982]

3 minutes ago, Hermanator said:

Tell that to PJ Locke, Holton Hill, and Adrian Phillips. All NFL talent but Charlie's staff couldn't develop for shit. 

It takes more than a few good players to make a defense. Holton Hill was a stud here, when he stayed out of trouble. PJ Locke was a solid player here. 

Charlie had limited offensive talent and even worse offensive schemes. This put too much pressure on his defense in a league of quarterbacks. He was a terrible recruiter and an even worse evaluator. The culture at Texas just added insult to injury. I'm sure Charlie was shocked there was no pay for play system in place when he got here.

His first defense, with some defensive talent leftover from Mack's tenure, was very good.

We won't even get into the fact Charlie is regarded. He had no organizational skills whatsoever. 

Charlie's players knew the offense wasn't going to be able to win games for them. Confidence and motivation matters a great deal. You saw Texas more motivated on defense today as the game wore on. Texas has an offensive coordinator and a quarterback to lead the team. There's speed around him.

The players have to believe in the upside of the team.

Brent Venables had no issues developing defensive players at Clemson. He had talent all over the field. He's having issues now. His team lacks talent. His defensive coordinator is a joke and his offense doesn't have the players to run the Baylor system.

Developing players is basic common sense. Recruiting talent and running good schemes is what separates coaches IMO. 

The biggest issues on the 40 have been terrible offensive schemes and lack of talent on both sides of the ball. Add in the fact that this leads to a bunch of new coaches and schemes and it's a recipe for disaster.

[tokamak 6427]

In my darkest moments, I was really starting to worry that we were going to waste JT Sanders's 5-star talent. So glad to have been wrong about that. He's a clear-cut NFL player if he stays on this trajectory, which has been way too rare for us the last few years.

As far as the original question, I think Worthy has regressed a little, or at least stagnated. *ducks*. We'll see if Quinn coming back unlocks Worthy some.

[speed817 19268]

Imagine what Sark could do with Haynes King!!! /s

[crash_davis 23108]

3 minutes ago, tokamak said:

In my darkest moments, I was really starting to worry that we were going to waste JT Sanders's 5-star talent. So glad to have been wrong about that. He's a clear-cut NFL player if he stays on this trajectory, which has been way too rare for us the last few years.

As far as the original question, I think Worthy has regressed a little, or at least stagnated. *ducks*. We'll see if Quinn coming back unlocks Worthy some.

Worthy was bracketed most of the day. Even then he should've had 2 more TDs. First when the DB PI'ed him to keep Worthy from 6. The 2nd is the deep ball where he was lazy with his footwork and didn't try to keep them inbounds. Ewers throw was well w/in bounds. Worthy just got lazy/cocky.

[Knoxtnhorn 5975]

49 - 0.  Is this real life?+ 

[youdunnf'dup 2147]

2 hours ago, Atticus said:

Fuck the haters, Sark is that dude.

I was wrong. Sark is “him”

[WinningIsHard 4030]

Finkley got a sack today, which ties him with Ovie. He’s played like 70% less snaps lol. That’s the story, in a nutshell. The younger guys getting experience and filling these holes we have and our defense can be dominant in the blink of an eye. Let’s run the table!!

[CTC2 2797]

54 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

Maybe but the offensive wasn’t really the problem against Tech. The defense couldn’t get off the field

The best help for a defense is a offense who can stay on the field and put up points that forces the opposing offense to have to catch up.  I would argue that one of the problems in the second half of the Tech game was all the offensive 3 and outs that kept sending the defense out there.

[Pato del Muerto 52492]

1 hour ago, The Ace of Aces said:

The Tech performance was … not good though. The D still has some pretty big issues in the secondary imo, but a terrible OU offense without a QB made ‘em look great thankfully. It’s getting better for sure, which is A+. Need more players, which we should be getting. 

That said, Tech is up in the 3rd in pokey so maybe they’re just a lot better than I anticipated. 

The tech performance was dictated by the number of times they went for it on 4th, compounded by the ridiculous efficiency when they did. 
 

how much of that was fluke/luck?

[Armybrat 40839]

21 minutes ago, Knoxtnhorn said:

49 - 0.  Is this real life?+ 

I am disappointed Auburn missed that 4th quarter field goal.

[Hook1997 5354]

58 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

That’s fair but our offense was barely on the field. I hope this is a turning point day for the program. We need to be consistent and we still have the better teams in conference to come. But this is the most confident I’ve been in quite some time. 

Part of the problem with defense being on the field non stop was the offense not just the defense…. Ewers at qb scores more then 31, so yes defense problems or not we win if he starts.  Team is probably undefeated now if he never gets hurt.  But those thoughts hurt too much to think about even.  Hopefully he stays health next year.  But yea hopefully Card never does anything but cleanup time again. 

Edited October 8, 2022 by Hook1997

[mdmost 43001]

Sanders is a godsend. He is the safety valve that we haven't had in a long time. Whittington is a monster now. Worthy had some many great catches. 

And the defense figured out what OU was doing and shut it down. 

I do not think we will ever have as easy a win against OU as we did today. 

[honolulu horn 6158]

15 minutes ago, Armybrat said:

I am disappointed Auburn missed that 4th quarter field goal.

That and the overthrow to a wide open JWhitt. 

[Catdaddyhorn 3444]

1 hour ago, hobbes2702 said:

Maybe but the offensive wasn’t really the problem against Tech. The defense couldn’t get off the field

The Tech performance was a coaching/game management loss. That's the feel for the game part of coaching that is Sark's biggest failing as a coach. Joey McGuire absolutely grinded a win out of thin air in that game. No way we should've been playing as soft in the 2ndary for as long as we did that game, especially when going against a trash ass QB. In terms of being a HC for high stakes games Sark is still relatively inexperienced. Im just hopeful we as a fanbase dont get too impatient and keep him around long enough to improve on those flaws. He's a good enough recruiter, play caller, and apparently developer of talent to keep us on the cusp until he improves in this area. And I believe he's introspective enough to improve in the areas where he lacks. 

Edited October 8, 2022 by Catdaddyhorn

[Hank Scorpio 17729]

 

 

[Vertigo 20285]

I would also add Jake Majors, Jerrin Thompson, and Anthony Cook.

[Catdaddyhorn 3444]

57 minutes ago, tokamak said:

In my darkest moments, I was really starting to worry that we were going to waste JT Sanders's 5-star talent. So glad to have been wrong about that. He's a clear-cut NFL player if he stays on this trajectory, which has been way too rare for us the last few years.

As far as the original question, I think Worthy has regressed a little, or at least stagnated. *ducks*. We'll see if Quinn coming back unlocks Worthy some.

I agree somewhat, but I'd love to see Worthy with a Neyor playing on the opposite side of him (perhaps Hall). Worthy was a bit of an unknown to our opponents last year until the TX/OU game. This year he's the main concern for defenses, possibly even over Bijan so he's bracketed all game. Sanders and 
Whittington have eaten this year as a result. Sanders and Whittington (Billingsley) will be Sark's main solution to Iowa St's defense next week. Sark has had issues with that style of defense going all the way back to his time at Bama. 

[mwaadeeb 1210]

41 minutes ago, honolulu horn said:

That and the overthrow to a wide open JWhitt. 

That wasn't that much of an overthrow. JWhitt made a weak play on it.

[mwaadeeb 1210]

1 hour ago, tokamak said:

In my darkest moments, I was really starting to worry that we were going to waste JT Sanders's 5-star talent. So glad to have been wrong about that. He's a clear-cut NFL player if he stays on this trajectory, which has been way too rare for us the last few years.

As far as the original question, I think Worthy has regressed a little, or at least stagnated. *ducks*. We'll see if Quinn coming back unlocks Worthy some.

Worthy has issues adjusting to the ball in the air. He hides it by stopping on balls. Hopefully he's mentally strong enough to work on it---an interesting development (or not) to watch.

[Nivek 16928]

Now imagine if Neyor was out there as well on the field with X, JT, and JWhitt at the same time.  

[Lhorn 4913]

A Qb who can make any throw makes all the difference.  It’s about time that became the norm here 

[WBT 20564]

15 hours ago, Armybrat said:

I am disappointed Auburn missed that 4th quarter field goal.

Same.  I wanted to at least tie the worst Mack/GDGD squat-to-pee result in the series and really hoped we would erase it from the record book altogether.  Maybe next year.

[Reynolds Woodcock 4740]

12 hours ago, Nivek said:

Now imagine if Neyor was out there as well on the field with X, JT, and JWhitt at the same time.  

And we get Billingsly back this week. Just one more weapon.

[Billy Pilgrim 1962]

15 hours ago, Vertigo said:

I would also add Jake Majors, Jerrin Thompson, and Anthony Cook.

I’d also add Barron. Cain blocks like a motherfucker when he’s out there, giving max effort.

[DanTheHorn 4922]

18 hours ago, Atticus said:

Fuck the haters, Sark is that dude.

Reminds me of ESPN Getup where the only two valid opinions are the world is ending or the world is an eden. We beat a poorly coached team with a very good QB and the coaches have shown they are not going back to last year. I will rejoice in this all year but there is no way Sark has shown us enough of a turn around from his incompetence at Teas Tech to being the answer after two games. We are all rooting for him to somehow become a coach that can make adjustments when challenged. So far he has failed that test every time.

[Pig Bellmont 8717]

17 hours ago, Etexhorn13 said:

Can I just be the first to say the defense has been stellar so far this season. First half of UTSA had me worried but on the whole, what a huge difference. 

No. The performance in Lubbock cannot be written off.