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Neonmoon

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I’m on episode 7 

It’s an okay watch. Whoever said it’s a higher budget NCIS is pretty close. Might be a cheap Homeland. 

Greer is wrong. He’s way more political savy. I don’t mind Ryan but he’s not great. 

I think what pissed me off the most was the drone pilot traveling to Turkey. No way in fucking hell would someone with his clearance be allowed to travel to Syria. Laughable. Once he booked the ticket, he would have gotten a visit from his superiors 

 

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On 8/30/2018 at 11:36 PM, RPM said:

Haven't seen A Quiet Place, but I've always been disappointed with him in anything but The Office.

You were disappointed with him in 13 Hours?  That was the movie that convinced me he could play these types of roles.  I'm two episodes in and he's doing fine.

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9 hours ago, FartingMonk said:

Who was the guy at the end inside the bomb makers apartment?  An Agency cleaner?  

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Matisse.  CIA  S.A.D.

He was in quite a few episodes in the background, and is a regular in season 2   He’s not supposed to be John Clark but he changed his name multiple times, and mentioned he changed his name to Ryan  on every mission, and he sure acts like John Clark   

 

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4 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:
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Matisse.  CIA  S.A.D.

He was in quite a few episodes in the background, and is a regular in season 2   He’s not supposed to be John Clark but he changed his name multiple times, and mentioned he changed his name to Ryan  on every mission, and he sure acts like John Clark   

 

this. that's who I got the feeling it was

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22 minutes ago, naija said:

speaking of which, will Without Remorse ever see the light of day as a movie?

I remember st one time, like over a decade ago, Keanu Reeves was being floated as Clark.  

Best guess, since Paramount is making the Jack Ryan series and owns the rights, we will see parts of Without Remorse in the Jack Ryan series.  Or Amazon can spin it off into its own series. Will probably swap Vietnam with Afghanistan. 

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25 minutes ago, naija said:

this. that's who I got the feeling it was

When he first started being featured, when he was shown as somebody in a leadership role/carrying some weight with Greer and the others, and when he mentioned that he was frequently changing his name, I was expecting some kind of reveal at the end of the season. 

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23 hours ago, TriStone said:

You were disappointed with him in 13 Hours?  That was the movie that convinced me he could play these types of roles.  I'm two episodes in and he's doing fine.

Haven't watched 13 Hours. The ones I have seen are Leatherheads and the one he did with Maya Rudolph. Wasn't impressed with either.

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I’ve read the original books, although it has been decades. The last one I read was Rainbow Six. I just watched the series and you guys bitching about the books versus the show are a fucking cliche. Nothing was ever going to work for you. Get over it. 

I see no way the CIA spook isn’t John Clark. They’ve set him up to be that guy. He works the part well, too. 

For a first season, setting Ryan up, I thought they did a great job. They could have done more with background on him, but I don’t think they were planning on a one season arc, so they left plenty on the table for the future. 

The story this season was entertaining. It had specific Clancy/Ryan elements, and that made it different from other shows. I can dig this show and also thoroughly enjoy StrikeBack and HomeLand, each as individual series with their own identity. 

I look forward to next season. 

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9 hours ago, closetojumping said:

I see no way the CIA spook isn’t John Clark. They’ve set him up to be that guy. He works the part well, too. 

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The story this season was entertaining. It had specific Clancy/Ryan elements, and that made it different from other shows.

There were definite Clancy/Ryan elements.  

As for Clark, 

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When the bomber was assassinated at the end, I half expected him to pull out a phone and say "This is Clark, the job is done." or something like that, just as a "told you so" to the audience.  That was just such a John Clark scene.

And they cast him well.

 

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Having not read the books, thought it was well done and quite enjoyable. 
As miserable as book readers seem to be about everything, I'm glad I can't read.
"Hold on a gotdamn minute! Forrest went to space with a monkey, and piss was floating around the capsule, and then so-and-so kicked the hubcap with the lugnuts over the cliff, and Forrest told him he was dumb but not stupid, and book Jenny did not seem like the 'as you wish' princess, but Cersei's Uncle Remus could sing AND dance, and the elf from the Hobbit could never be Tom Sawyer, and I'll never enjoy this show/movie/novella because it insults me."
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On 9/2/2018 at 1:52 PM, TexasHooch said:

I thought it was more like the ghost written ones- at least Greaney's, which are pretty good.  To that end, I'm wondering why they didn't just make the show for Jack Ryan Jr. instead of Sr.  The timeline would be correct, as would the fact that Jr. is a financial guy who morphs into a field operative.  He also answers to Clark- who is a lot more like the TV show's Greer than the books' Greer.  The other characters of "The Campus" could have been written in seamlessly too.

As for the show, I liked it enough to have finished it quickly but only, I think, because I mentally dissociated it with the Clancy universe after a few episodes.  I knew when they set it current day that it wasn't going to be super true to the books but I guess I was hoping for something closer to what Amazon did with Michael Connelly's Bosch series, where plenty of concessions are made but the core personalities and story-lines are true to the novels and woven together nicely. 

 

Agree with all of this. I like greany’s jack jr books a lot.  This show was solid. Could better and there really as no reason to change the backstory.  While Cathy had nice tits, that role was definitley mis-cast to me. 

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In the books, he went to BC

In Hunt for Red October, they changed it to Annapolis, giving us this wonderful dialogue:

Admiral Josh Painter: You see that ring on his finger? The Academy, Class of '72. A Marine. 

Captain Davenport: You're kidding! How did you... 

Admiral Josh Painter: Greer told me. Summer of his third year, he and his squad went down in a chopper accident in the Med. Bad - pilot, crew killed. That kid spent ten months in traction, another year learning to walk again. Did his fourth year from the hospital. Now it's up to you, Charlie, but you might consider cuttin' the kid a little slack.

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Episode Six spoiler question.

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Why was he acting like such a bitch in Episode 6 to the smuggler fixer dude? Ryan is surprised that the CIA has to deal with shitty people in this line of work? He was going to blow a major anti-terrorism investigation because he didn't like a bad guy? That episode annoyed me a lot. 

 

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15 minutes ago, Zombie said:

Episode Six spoiler question.

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Why was he acting like such a bitch in Episode 6 to the smuggler fixer dude? Ryan is surprised that the CIA has to deal with shitty people in this line of work? He was going to blow a major anti-terrorism investigation because he didn't like a bad guy? That episode annoyed me a lot. 

 

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The show was trying to show that Ryan is a boy scout . One of his cornerstone characteristics, but yeah, it was unrealistic in its execution. That’s why Harrison Ford was such a brilliant choice to play Ryan. His frantic face could show the inner battle of wanting to do the right thing versus not acting on it for the sake of his job which made his character so much more realistic. 

 

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21 hours ago, irockalltherocks said:

5 episodes in, enjoying it so far , but this could have been any generic CIA character. Greer is all wrong and don't care for the actress playing Cathy.

On a positive note, side boob in Ep. 2 was very impressive.

Concur on Greer but thought Cathy was fine. 

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14 hours ago, Zombie said:

Episode Six spoiler question.

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Why was he acting like such a bitch in Episode 6 to the smuggler fixer dude? Ryan is surprised that the CIA has to deal with shitty people in this line of work? He was going to blow a major anti-terrorism investigation because he didn't like a bad guy? That episode annoyed me a lot. 

 

agree.  poorly executed.

and i knew the "boy scout" answer was coming, but i thought they did a fine job of showing that previously.

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3 hours ago, gecko said:

So....made it through E7.  At the end....

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What was up with the note from Greer about Moscow?  Was it an invitation to join him there?  Is "us vs the russkies" up next in S2?

 

Spoilers on season 2

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They are filming in the States, Europe, and South America, and it’s centered on South America.   Probably Clear and Present Danger with Russian stuff   

 

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On 9/2/2018 at 7:28 PM, atomheartbevo said:

So for those curious about Season 2 - spoilers ahead.

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The second season will be set in South America, where Ryan takes on "a dangerous, declining democratic regime."

https://deadline.com/2018/04/tom-clancys-jack-ryan-renewed-season-2-amazon-ahead-of-premiere-john-krasinski-star-1202375532/

Season 2 has been filming this summer.

Finished the season last night and would give the show thus far a C+. 

Decent twist at the end but ultimately the writers continued to throw out Clancy’s dedication to realistic details in order to manufacture quasi-preposterous drama. This isn’t a fanboi being upset at minutea like The Beast having the wrong hubcaps or something; this is obviously and needlessly fake drama like:

Ryan: ”POTUS’s life is in immediate and imminent danger at this current location.”

Secret Service: “Agreed. Helicopter’s about ten minutes out so we’re gonna chill for a bit.”

Ryan: “OMG! The suspense!!”

All I’m asking for is a suspension of disbelief. That’s what any good story needs   Unfortunately, the writing room seems to be full of 15-year-old boys writing counterterrorism fan fiction. 

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All I’m asking for is a suspension of disbelief. That’s what any good story needs   Unfortunately, the writing room seems to be full of 15-year-old boys writing counterterrorism fan fiction. 

well if that got you going, how about you consider the fact that

end of Ep 8 spoiler

the entire ending from the moment the dirty bomb is activated is absolutely fake suspense.

why? 

because fake Admiral Greer told us- any threat to the Presidents life, and the cell phone service in the entire 10 block radius around him is TURNED OFF.   

Which the terrorists figured out because they sent the signal and nothing happened.  So the last 10 mins is the terrorists trying to get far enough away from the hospital to get cell service so they can activate the bomb......

However, what no fucking mentions is that the bomb is activated by the code being received by ANOTHER CELL PHONE.   

In other words.  it didnt fucking matter if bad guys  got to an area with cell service and sent the bomb code.... because the receiving phone  was still in the dead cell service area and could never have received the code and gone off!

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well if that got you going, how about you consider the fact that

end of Ep 8 spoiler

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the entire ending from the moment the dirty bomb is activated is absolutely fake suspense.

why? 

because fake Admiral Greer told us- any threat to the Presidents life, and the cell phone service in the entire 10 block radius around him is TURNED OFF.   

Which the terrorists figured out because they sent the signal and nothing happened.  So the last 10 mins is the terrorists trying to get far enough away from the hospital to get cell service so they can activate the bomb......

However, what no fucking mentions is that the bomb is activated by the code being received by ANOTHER CELL PHONE.   

In other words.  it didnt fucking matter if bad guys  got to an area with cell service and sent the bomb code.... because the receiving phone  was still in the dead cell service area and could never have received the code and gone off!

 

I dunno how to spoiler shit so spoilers below:

 

 

 

IIRC, the terrorists IT guy said he’d actually hard-wired that receiving cell phone to the hospital’s landline. That convenient magic patches the plot hole you mentioned with the inept craftsmanship of an aggy engineer and, to my earlier point, is simply another data point of lazy, half-baked writing.

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Jim Halpert is fucking terrible in this and horribly miscast. He has one look, which is part sad, part scared. Abbie Cornish is fucking ugly. Her face and head are almost perfectly round. They are either hiding 250 lbs with CGI or she's 8 months pregnant. And again, she's fucking ugly. And Jim sucks at this.

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8 hours ago, rage-a-holic said:

Did retards write this thing?

Based on what I'm watching in the first half of the finale, retards might be a kind description for this shit.

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You have the equivalent of Osama bin Laden just passing right through customs checkpoints in Canada AND America and he gets right through even though you have surveillance cameras observing the checkpoints?  Does facial recognition software not exist in this show's reality?  You have the President, Vice President, Speaker of the House, and a dozen other cabinet members and committee chairs ALL in the SAME hospital (which would NEVER happen), and yet you don't divert the pizza parlor bombing victims to another hospital?  You have secret service letting about 3 dozen EMTs (including a half dozen military-age men of middle eastern descent AND Osama himself) with stretchers and bodies waltz in thru the front door without so much as a strong glance, but the two CIA guys get stopped right at the door and you try to hold them even after they show IDs?

I'm all for suspension of disbelief, but damn guys.  That's pretty sad shit.

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On 9/2/2018 at 11:19 PM, Neonmoon said:

I think what pissed me off the most was the drone pilot traveling to Turkey. No way in fucking hell would someone with his clearance be allowed to travel to Syria. Laughable. Once he booked the ticket, he would have gotten a visit from his superiors 

 

I'd like to see what would happen if someone got on a flight to Turkey with a carry on full of cash.

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Jim Halpert is fucking terrible in this and horribly miscast. He has one look, which is part sad, part scared. Abbie Cornish is fucking ugly. Her face and head are almost perfectly round. They are either hiding 250 lbs with CGI or she's 8 months pregnant. And again, she's fucking ugly. And Jim sucks at this.

You’re just mad because the booby shot was so brief...
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On 9/2/2018 at 1:08 AM, atomheartbevo said:

Finished it.  It felt like a Clancy novel.  At least, before the ghost written ones. 

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The drone pilot stuff when he goes to Syria was pointless.

 

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By the end of the last episode, I had forgotten about the drone pilot.  I wonder if his story included being captured by Suliman and getting caught up in the main story but they decided to cut it during the edits.   Perhaps they couldn't completely eliminate it or they would be too short of material.   You're 100% on that it made no sense.

And the drone pilot's weird story about hooking up after the casino visit, and husband in that story was Lee Tergesen (Oz, Generation Kill.)   I wouldn't believe they would hire him for a 5 minute side story.    

Possibly the drone pilot will somehow come into play in Season 2 and they wanted to introduce him in S1, but that doesn't make too much sense.

 

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The drone pilot story, I think, was part of the overall season theme that America can now rain down destruction on our enemies remotely without emotion or personal risk.   One implication was Suleman bringing the pain directly to our shores; another was the desensitizing effect of this new brand of warfare on our drone pilots. 

It was ham-handed and poorly executed from that standpoint.  Overall the show was a good watch, but you have to overlook lots of bad writing. 

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2 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

I didn't see this as an overall season theme.  

Really?  Maybe I'm off, but it really stuck out to me.

Not just in the prominent drone pilot story, though that is certainly part of it.   Suleiman's origin story also is a drone attack on his village as a child; he is its repercussion.  His message to his followers is to take the battleground from their land to our land.  Our military is primed to remotely obliterate Suleiman's compound, but is delayed and ultimately stopped by the hero, Jack Ryan, who's driven by an honorable desire to save the innocent son through the use of ground troops.    Suleiman likewise personally comes to the US to endure the risks of running an attack as an example to his followers.   The perspective of the season seems to me to be that there is honor in enduring the risks of battle, and that the new era of riskless video game warfare can have negative repercussions.

I'm not saying it was well-executed, though.   Just the opposite, I thought there were a number of flaws and contradictions. 

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