Game Week Thread Game Week - Oklahoma State

[Newdoc 3508]

The OSU fountain is orange, it’s their homecoming, Gundy’s a man, nobody offered……

It’s only Monday and the pearl clutching is off the charts. 

[oSuJeff97 3438]

19 hours ago, Make em eat Taco Bell said:

also their stadium should be razed because the safety hazard of the brick walls.  Why the hell don't they install 3 foot cushion padding? Someone is going to break their neck.  Why can't Tboone make a $1billion stadium? WTF is wrong with the state of OK? Too much meth? 

LOL someone brings this up like clockwork every year. 

(A) Yes, the walls are padded

(B) I've seen maybe 1 player actually injured by the wall in ~25 years of watching games there, and it was because of a personal foul (someone shoved someone when they were already a few feet out of bounds

If it was some big issue, dudes would be dropping like flies all the time.  Players are far more likely to just blow out an ACL running down the field than injuring themselves by sliding into a padded wall on the sideline.

Edited October 17, 2022 by oSuJeff97

[Droopy 2637]

2 minutes ago, oSuJeff97 said:

LOL someone brings this up like clockwork every year. 

(A) Yes, the walls are padded

[Hookem2147 21930]

Few team notes from IT:

We hate discussing injuries but that’s obviously an important theme after Saturday’s game, particularly in the secondary. Both starting cornerback Ryan Watts and starting safety Jerrin Thompson had issues Steve Sarkisian described as stinger-related after the game. They might not have been stingers because the pain didn’t dissipate like it normally does with a stinger, but like a stinger, these aren’t viewed as serious injuries. They’ll receive treatment this week and should be good to go on Saturday. Of course we’ll keep monitoring both throughout the week.

Thompson had his worst game of they year and you can bet the shoulder issue had something to do with it, but the secondary was just off in general. 

Two other big stories from the secondary surrounded the availability of starting safety Anthony Cook and backup cornerback Jamier Johnson. Our sources believe Cook was benched for an assignment bust before returning to the game to force the game deciding turnover on a pretty vicious hit. That reminded me of asking a source last spring if Cook would hold up against the run at the position. We were told “he has heart” and I think the forced fumble coming downhill 100 miles per hour illustrated that. 

Johnson is a bit more of a mystery. We hear he’s healthy. If that’s the case, then playing Austin Jordan would appear to be a coaching decision. 

Sark told the team many of the things he stated after the game and will probably reiterate today during his press conference. He was proud of their effort and proud of their ability to close that game out. “That wouldn’t have happened last year.” He also mentioned it’s hard to come back the next week after an emotional game. The start to Iowa State was reminiscent of the start to the UTSA game after playing Alabama. 

Someone will probably say, yeah, but OU sucks. Truer words…but they didn’t prepare or get up for that game like OU sucks.

Sources freely admitted the defense has a lot to clean up, however they view the issues as “simple fixes.” “That was the worst communication has been all year.” Sources also viewed the issues more with player execution than game plan. I pushed back on that a little and asked if some opponents receive more unique attention and custom game plans than others and the source said that isn’t the case. 

Hopefully after this Saturday against a dangerous Oklahoma State some fans find that even harder to believe.

[Eggo 4026]

15 minutes ago, oSuJeff97 said:

LOL someone brings this up like clockwork every year. 

(A) Yes, the walls are padded

(B) I've seen maybe 1 player actually injured by the wall in ~25 years of watching games there, and it was because of a personal foul (someone shoved someone when they were already a few feet out of bounds

If it was some big issue, dudes would be dropping like flies all the time.  Players are far more likely to just blow out an ACL running down the field than injuring themselves by sliding into a padded wall on the sideline.

Raze the stadium because of this then 

[Make em eat Taco Bell 1549]

16 minutes ago, oSuJeff97 said:

LOL someone brings this up like clockwork every year. 

(A) Yes, the walls are padded

(B) I've seen maybe 1 player actually injured by the wall in ~25 years of watching games there, and it was because of a personal foul (someone shoved someone when they were already a few feet out of bounds

If it was some big issue, dudes would be dropping like flies all the time.  Players are far more likely to just blow out an ACL running down the field than injuring themselves by sliding into a padded wall on the sideline.

if we see brick anywhere, it's a problem because the walls are too close.  Just tear it all down, build a modern stadium, and that goes for OU as well. Tax the meth sales if you have to. 

[texifornia 58786]

We're #6 - 11th ranked O, 13th ranked D, 35th ranked ST

OSU is #12 - 16/39/15

 

Edited October 17, 2022 by texifornia

[Hiphopopotamos 21158]

4 minutes ago, texifornia said:

We're #6 - 11th ranked O, 16th ranked D, 35th ranked ST

OSU is #12 - 16/39/15

 

That should be 13th ranked Defense.

[F250 29173]

29 minutes ago, South Austin said:

Firing Gundy would be the worst possible decision that program will have ever made.  See, e.g., Texas Tech cir. 2009.

Gundy has them consistently reaching their potential which is being a good team not great.

[Eggo 4026]

40 minutes ago, South Austin said:

Firing Gundy would be the worst possible decision that program will have ever made.  See, e.g., Texas Tech cir. 2009.

I think 2021 TCU firing Gary mid-season will come back to haunt them. 

[South Austin 53154]

3 minutes ago, Eggo said:

I think 2021 TCU firing Gary mid-season will come back to haunt them. 

We'll see. Those fuckers are 6-0, but hard to tell how good that is because the Big XII is down this year and they've played some awful defenses.

[gmr548 16681]

We'll see. Those fuckers are 6-0, but hard to tell how good that is because the Big XII is down this year and they've played some awful defenses.

I think you have to give it a few years. TCU fields a defense that is at least competitive right now. Late Patterson TCU had its issues, but evaluating and developing defensive talent, especially on the back end, was not one of them. Steady stream of TCU defenders being drafted in recent years, many in early rounds.

Not dissimilar to Todd Orlando looking really good with a bunch of NFL defensive players Charlie Strong brought in. By the time most of them were gone in 2019, ass my dude.

I could see the same thing happening at TCU and just becoming a one dimensional team as Dykes settles in.

I also don’t know that I’d call the Big 12 down. The ceiling is down, there’s no top 5 team here. Maybe not even a top 10. But the bottom is way up. No one in the B1G or SEC is playing nine top 50 teams in conference. Not even close. In that sense, it’s by far the toughest conference.

[oSuJeff97 3438]

58 minutes ago, texifornia said:

Yeah there's a reason that I don't ever visit or post on OSU message boards.

Honestly there is a section of our fan base - mostly younger - who are spoiled as fuck and don't realize how good we have it right now; not just for us, but for ANYONE. 

I've said time and time again that the level of sustained success that Gundy has reached during his tenure is exceedingly difficult for anyone including blue bloods; the fact that he's done this at a historically bad program that plays second fiddle to an elite program in a small state is incredible:

• 16 straight winning seasons
• 7 of the past 12 seasons with 10+ wins
• 2x Fiesta Bowl champs; 2-2 overall in NY6 bowls
• 10-5 overall record in bowl games

Any OSU fan who thinks Gundy needs to go is a stupid dumb fuck who has no concept of what goes on in college football as a whole.

[MotownHorn 1883]

Let's beat these fucks. I think we can all agree that we should be happy campers if we can get to the bye week at 6-2.

[South Austin 53154]

5 minutes ago, MotownHorn said:

Let's beat these fucks. I think we can all agree that we should be happy campers if we can get to the bye week at 6-2.

[Shaggyhorn 641]

Yeah there's a reason that I don't ever visit or post on OSU message boards.
Honestly there is a section of our fan base - mostly younger - who are spoiled as fuck and don't realize how good we have it right now; not just for us, but for ANYONE. 
I've said time and time again that the level of sustained success that Gundy has reached during his tenure is exceedingly difficult for anyone including blue bloods; the fact that he's done this at a historically bad program that plays second fiddle to an elite program in a small state is incredible:

• 16 straight winning seasons
• 7 of the past 12 seasons with 10+ wins
• 2x Fiesta Bowl champs; 2-2 overall in NY6 bowls
• 10-5 overall record in bowl games

Any OSU fan who thinks Gundy needs to go is a stupid dumb fuck who has no concept of what goes on in college football as a whole.

Tell the big 12 and fox to boot us and OUsux in 2024. You’re about to be the crème de la crème of the big 12 with an expanded playoff. You could be in the cfp every other year with Gundy. That’s a really nice position to be in. Firing Gundy would make y’all look like major assholes; even worse than must of us Surly posters.

[Brothahorn 10096]

Both of these teams can be bi polar as hell. You don't know what you will get from one half to the next. Sometimes in the middle of the halves they will go batshit crazy.

That said, I expect Gundy to throw the whole damn kitchen and breakfast nook at us. I'm trying to figure out how Sark handles these games.

[texifornia 58786]

 

[texifornia 58786]

 

[MotownHorn 1883]

16 minutes ago, texifornia said:

 

Think I'm going Syracuse +13 and Texas -2.5 for my weekly wager

[Hookem2147 21930]

Watching Gundy's presser and that dude has the media on puppet strings up there. Talks down to them, tells them to not ask him questions about injuries, talks back when someone ask a good question. 

He went on a rant about how they are super young on defense. I look it up and all 11 starters are upperclassmen, including 7 seniors.

[DaysOff 8157]

I'll take the W, but 31-29 will give me an anxiety attack when osu has the ball for the final drive.

[The Deuce 1094]

 

[NYCHORN2013 171]

Question - anyone have any clue why the line for this game has moved so much? From what I’ve seen, we opened as three point favorites or so (-3.5). Right now the line is sitting at Texas -6.5. Doesn’t seem like anything on our team’s side caused this, and I can’t imagine that enough $$$ has come in for UT to swing the line another fg. Is there some news on the ok st’s end that I’ve missed?

[Ghost of Stevie Ray 1598]

27 minutes ago, The Deuce said:

 

You’ll only have to play him for two of those Mikey

[vtaenz 603]

Question - anyone have any clue why the line for this game has moved so much? From what I’ve seen, we opened as three point favorites or so (-3.5). Right now the line is sitting at Texas -6.5. Doesn’t seem like anything on our team’s side caused this, and I can’t imagine that enough $$$ has come in for UT to swing the line another fg. Is there some news on the ok st’s end that I’ve missed?

Usually heavy betting on one side, so Vegas will start widening that spread to try to get even betting.

[Cairn Horn88 8500]

4 hours ago, F250 said:

Gundy has them consistently reaching their potential which is being a good team not great.

…..so….aggy plus?  Would they beat aggy?   I think so.

 

 

 

Edited October 17, 2022 by Cairn Horn88

[Cairn Horn88 8500]

1 hour ago, Brothahorn said:

Both of these teams can be bi polar as hell. You don't know what you will get from one half to the next. Sometimes in the middle of the halves they will go batshit crazy.

That said, I expect Gundy to throw the whole damn kitchen and breakfast nook at us. I'm trying to figure out how Sark handles these games.

There WILL be at least one trick play, maybe two…maybe a fake punt/field goal…Gundy is a perennially pissed off human bean!

[F250 29173]

15 minutes ago, Cairn Horn88 said:

…..so….aggy plus?  Would they beat aggy?   I think so.

 

 

 

Okie State should be aggy's goal. Little brother schools need to be comfortable with their place in the pecking order.

[oSuJeff97 3438]

2 hours ago, Brothahorn said:

That said, I expect Gundy to throw the whole damn kitchen and breakfast nook at us. I'm trying to figure out how Sark handles these games.

It's sort of interesting that this perception is still out there.  This may describe Gundy from about 2005 to maybe 2012 or so, but not now; not even close.

We may run 1-2 "trick" plays per game, and I'm not even sure how much I could call them "tricks"... it's usually just like some variant of a flea flicker or something... I couldn't tell you the last time we faked a field goal or punt... it's been maybe 10 years or so.

We rarely ever go for it on 4th down, unless it's a completely obvious situation.  Hell on Saturday against TCU we 100% should have gone for two in that first OT to go for the win and Gundy still kicked it, even though Sanders was banged up and the defense was gassed.

Basically he's gotten SUPER conservative over the past 5 years or so, thus I wouldn't expect any "kitchen sink" type stuff.

[Huckleberry 34407]

4 hours ago, South Austin said:

We'll see. Those fuckers are 6-0, but hard to tell how good that is because the Big XII is down this year and they've played some awful defenses.

lolwut

Oklahoma is down this year. The Big 12 is just fine. 

[oSuJeff97 3438]

25 minutes ago, Cairn Horn88 said:

…..so….aggy plus?  Would they beat aggy?   I think so.

We have outperformed Aggy in the 15+ years of the Gundy tenure, and it's not particularly close.

Gundy/OSU since 2005:

• 154-70 (.688) overall
• 93-57 (.620) in conference play
• Seven 10+ win seasons
• 2 NY6 bowl wins
• 11-5 overall in bowl games
• 1 conference title

Aggy since 2005:

• 135-85 (.614) overall
• 74-67 (.525) in conference play
• One 10+ win season
• 1 NY6 bowl win
• 7-7 overall in bowl games
• 0 conference titles

[NYCHORN2013 171]

50 minutes ago, vtaenz said:

1 hour ago, NYCHORN2013 said:

Question - anyone have any clue why the line for this game has moved so much? From what I’ve seen, we opened as three point favorites or so (-3.5). Right now the line is sitting at Texas -6.5. Doesn’t seem like anything on our team’s side caused this, and I can’t imagine that enough $$$ has come in for UT to swing the line another fg. Is there some news on the ok st’s end that I’ve missed?

Usually heavy betting on one side, so Vegas will start widening that spread to try to get even betting.

Yea I get that, three points in 1-2 games is crazy though. Did some Twitter investigation and it sounds like sanders isn’t practicing this week, as of now. Gundy answered a q about it, and it seems like this isn’t the first time that’s happened and he ended up playing. But Vegas seems to be expecting him to be out. All speculation obviously 

 

[The Deuce 1094]

 

[texifornia 58786]

Click through for methodology 

 

[Rockethorn1978 6203]

Well I know if our defense plays the way it did Saturday against Iowa st we will lose. 

[Davis Lane 5978]

5 hours ago, MotownHorn said:

Let's beat these fucks. I think we can all agree that we should be happy campers if we can get to the bye week at 6-2.

You must be new here.

[texifornia 58786]

Hehehe that title

 

[HtownHorn 15243]

2 hours ago, Rockethorn1978 said:

Well I know if our defense plays the way it did Saturday against Iowa st we will lose. 

If Texas holds OSU to 21 points, it will likely be a blowout for Texas.

[Hookem2147 21930]

[gmr548 16681]

 

lol his last road game was Colleyville Heritage or something

[StassneyHorn 6755]

Sanders in last 2 games completed less than 50% of passes cause of unrevealed shoulder diagnosis. That’s why the money pushed it 3 points and Grundy is in fact, a fuckboi and not a man.

[Longboard Horn 41319]

[Loop 1604 227]

7 hours ago, Hookem2147 said:

Watching Gundy's presser and that dude has the media on puppet strings up there. Talks down to them, tells them to not ask him questions about injuries, talks back when someone ask a good question. 

He went on a rant about how they are super young on defense. I look it up and all 11 starters are upperclassmen, including 7 seniors.

[texifornia 58786]

OSU game stats breakdown

 

 

[Nivek 17330]

Probably not a good time to remind you that Johnny got his ass kicked after that.

It was an illegal kick.

[Eskimohorn 5675]

It was an illegal kick.

In the Karate Kid universe, underage competitors were permitted to kick each other in the face, as was explained by his girl Ali giving Daniel a crash course in the rules seconds before his first bout “Everything above your waist is a point. You can hit the head, sternum, kidneys, ribs."

Also you’ve got to remember that Johnny sprinted face first into crane kick. Not dissimilar to Hunter Dekkers as a ball carrier lowering his head before getting hit by Cook.

[BigOrange1 6607]

6 hours ago, oSuJeff97 said:

 

Basically he's gotten SUPER conservative over the past 5 years or so,

yeah, we know

[nunna yo bizness 1690]

6 hours ago, The Deuce said:

 

I don't know how I should feel about him not being a pussy.

Doesn't it just scare him to death?  I guess he's just confident he can weather the storm.  And I guess that's fair.

Edited October 18, 2022 by nunna yo bizness

[RabidM 2755]

56 minutes ago, Eskimohorn said:

In the Karate Kid universe, underage competitors were permitted to kick each other in the face, as was explained by his girl Ali giving Daniel a crash course in the rules seconds before his first bout “Everything above your waist is a point. You can hit the head, sternum, kidneys, ribs."

Also you’ve got to remember that Johnny sprinted face first into crane kick. Not dissimilar to Hunter Dekkers as a ball carrier lowering his head before getting hit by Cook.

Well... since this came up in discussion.  Around the 2:25 mark, Johnny punches Daniel in the face.  I never understood why that wasn't the 5th and winning point when later Daniel kicks Johnny in the face and it counts.  Two successful strikes to the head, but only Daniel's was counted.  Make it make sense. 

Also, watching that scene, even without seeing the rest of the movie still gave me the feels.  God, I love that movie. 

 

Edited October 18, 2022 by RabidM