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Bama Chick

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Yeah the PM usually has the responsibility and power to call an early General Election - see Teresa May in 2017 and Boris Johnson in 2019.

But there are rumblings that a not insignificant number of Tory MPs planning to resign the whip if Johnson wins the leadership vote - IE stop caucusing with the Tories.

Conceivably, if enough Tories revolt over Johnson - 36 or more, I think - they could join on to Starmer’s call for a General Election and using the Dissolution of Parliament Act, they could force a confidence vote, then table that vote which would force the new PM to call a GE.

It’s all a bunch of arcane parliamentary nonsense that ultimately rests of a large number of Tory MPs doing the right thing and abandoning their party. So it’s probably a long shot.

But this mess is far from resolved.

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On 10/20/2022 at 8:45 AM, Bama Chick said:

lol can you imagine how pissed Boris Johnson is about losing out on being the PM during brouhaha around QEII’s death?

Y’all know his bedraggled ass would have LOVED being at the center of all that ridiculous pomp.

Seeing him trip and stumble into liz's coffin, knocking it over in the process was what that man was placed on this planet to do. We deserved that, and we were robbed. 

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44 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

Yeah the PM usually has the responsibility and power to call an early General Election - see Teresa May in 2017 and Boris Johnson in 2019.

But there are rumblings that a not insignificant number of Tory MPs planning to resign the whip if Johnson wins the leadership vote - IE stop caucusing with the Tories.

Conceivably, if enough Tories revolt over Johnson - 36 or more, I think - they could join on to Starmer’s call for a General Election and using the Dissolution of Parliament Act, they could force a confidence vote, then table that vote which would force the new PM to call a GE.

It’s all a bunch of arcane parliamentary nonsense that ultimately rests of a large number of Tory MPs doing the right thing and abandoning their party. So it’s probably a long shot.

But this mess is far from resolved.

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GopherRock

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The Tories' working majority is 365 of 650 as of this morning, so such a stunt would require 41 MPs to resign the whip. Given that such a maneuver would end in a general election and the Tories to be gutted, I have a hard time believing that they'll actually start the process. After all, the first priority of an elected MP is to stay elected.

If only we could get a visceral gutting of the GOP in real-time.

There is probably more knowledge of the Westminster style of Parliament in this thread than there is in most of the rest of America.

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Ghost of LL

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1 hour ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Don't the Tories have the ability to hold that off for another 2-3 years? From polls that I've seen, they can't call for an election or they will be swept out of power. 

Yes--the next General Election doesn't have to be held until the end of 2024.  So the Tories could conceivably use the next two years to get their shit together.

53 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

Yeah the PM usually has the responsibility and power to call an early General Election - see Teresa May in 2017 and Boris Johnson in 2019.

But there are rumblings that a not insignificant number of Tory MPs planning to resign the whip if Johnson wins the leadership vote - IE stop caucusing with the Tories.

Conceivably, if enough Tories revolt over Johnson - 36 or more, I think - they could join on to Starmer’s call for a General Election and using the Dissolution of Parliament Act, they could force a confidence vote, then table that vote which would force the new PM to call a GE.

It’s all a bunch of arcane parliamentary nonsense that ultimately rests of a large number of Tory MPs doing the right thing and abandoning their party. So it’s probably a long shot.

But this mess is far from resolved.

The PM's power to call a snap election has been taken away by the Fixed Parliaments Act.  Now, an early election is only triggered by (1) a no-confidence vote, or (2) a 2/3rds vote of the Commons to dissolve Parliament.

That being said, we're in a really weird place where the Conservative Party is not longer a coherent single party.  But even so, it's really hard to see a bunch of Tory backbenchers joining in a VONC against whomever the next PM is.

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23 hours ago, Ghost of LL said:

Yes--the next General Election doesn't have to be held until the end of 2024.  So the Tories could conceivably use the next two years to get their shit together.

The PM's power to call a snap election has been taken away by the Fixed Parliaments Act.  Now, an early election is only triggered by (1) a no-confidence vote, or (2) a 2/3rds vote of the Commons to dissolve Parliament.

That being said, we're in a really weird place where the Conservative Party is not longer a coherent single party.  But even so, it's really hard to see a bunch of Tory backbenchers joining in a VONC against whomever the next PM is.

didn't they get rid of the fixed parliaments act?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissolution_and_Calling_of_Parliament_Act_2022

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1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:


Goat. Rodeo.

Or wait, it’s Brit. So, maybe it’s a golden guernsey rodeo?

Either way, there’s a non-zero chance that the next UK PM is going to be a wheel of cheese, or a feathered hat.

Boris is waiting in the wings.  The next PM won’t last long, and then Boris can say “miss me yet?”

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