Zero

[Vic Mackey 47054]

OSU committed zero penalties. Amazing.....

[GreenspointTexas 9605]

Insane

[chainsaw 9869]

The coach is a man.

[Neonmoon 38129]

The holding call against Texas on Ewers run was impressively corrupt 

[smoky 840]

Let's be technically correct. They were flagged twice but for shit that wouldn't count.

[F250 28777]

Who fucking cares. A shitty defense and offense lost the game.

[miguelito 11266]

"That's just good coaching."

[futureman 22469]

gundy has instilled discipline in his players and I applaud him for it.  mistake-free performance today.

[Nueces River Rat 5539]

What was their penalty average going into this game?    

[GreenspointTexas 9605]

2 minutes ago, Nueces River Rat said:

What was their penalty average going into this game?    

Texas tripled their penalty yardage this game

 

osu usually has 6-7 penalties a game for about 60 yards. They had 0 for 0 today

[DaggerHorns 3085]

Big 12 officials have a pretty sweet NIL program at osu

[Make em eat Taco Bell 1549]

the very weak holding call on Ewers 60 yard run.  Wasn't that bad of a hold, that's standard on most plays. 

[Biff Tannen 45691]

Pretty stunning.  I mean what are the odds?  Nothing weird about it. No siree Bob. 

[Beau Vine 54238]

2 minutes ago, Make em eat Taco Bell said:

the very weak holding call on Ewers 60 yard run.  Wasn't that bad of a hold, that's standard on most plays. 

That's a hold 100% of the time in other conferences.  

But we're just a stupid undisciplined team generally.  Shit, we jumped offsides  two plays in a row, the second one while Sark was screaming at the refs about the first call.

 

[Make em eat Taco Bell 1549]

Just now, Beau Vine said:

That's a hold 100% of the time in other conferences.  

But we're just a stupid undisciplined team generally.  Shit, we jumped offsides  two plays in a row, the second one while Sark was screaming at the refs about the first call.

 

most people here don't think that was a legit flag. 

[Valmy77 13227]

I don't know man. It just wasn't going to happen today. Our team wasn't interested. So yeah the refs probably sucked but I don't think we would have taken advantage if they had called more penalties on OSU.

Edited October 23, 2022 by Valmy77

[Hozz 1017]

30 minutes ago, smoky said:

Let's be technically correct. They were flagged twice but for shit that wouldn't count.

This keeps happening.  Penalties that get declined or offset are not tracked, they never happened.  This game was 14-0 penalties.  How often is there a 14 penalty differential in a game?  1 in a 1000?

[Tex Pete 20357]

20 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

That's a hold 100% of the time in other conferences.  

But we're just a stupid undisciplined team generally.  Shit, we jumped offsides  two plays in a row, the second one while Sark was screaming at the refs about the first call.

 

And yet Oklahoma State still committed plenty of infractions they weren’t called for. 

[Bigbend1812 12918]

unbelievable 

[Beau Vine 54238]

26 minutes ago, Make em eat Taco Bell said:

most people here don't think that was a legit flag. 

Most people here think there's a long-running conspiracy by the conference to screw its most valuable member in every single sport.

[A’Dam Psycho 1470]

Did I get here before the “don’t blame the refs” brigade?

[EZ$ 2105]

53 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

The holding call against Texas on Ewers run was impressively corrupt 

The referee could barely hold back his smile while announcing it. 

[Auto Driller 2506]

Here’s something I don’t understand -

On Cook’s 1H “targeting” penalty, the announcers and (eventually) the refs agreed that it was not targeting. Clearly Cook was just going for a tackle and Sanders dropping down at the last second caused him to miss the target. Still, it was shoulder to shoulder contact.

Why does the unnecessary roughness call stand (by rule) when the call on the field is overturned? 

[TwiceHorn 31488]

15 minutes ago, Auto Driller said:

Here’s something I don’t understand -

On Cook’s 1H “targeting” penalty, the announcers and (eventually) the refs agreed that it was not targeting. Clearly Cook was just going for a tackle and Sanders dropping down at the last second caused him to miss the target. Still, it was shoulder to shoulder contact.

Why does the unnecessary roughness call stand (by rule) when the call on the field is overturned? 

I guess because he was already down?  I don't recall any "by rule."

OSU averages 5 penalties per game this year, a hair better than Texas' 5.3. Navy is the best in the country at 3.4. https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/stat/penalties-per-game

The likelihood of playing a zero penalty game without some kind of fucked up bias is vanishingly slim.

[troph 24810]

30 minutes ago, Auto Driller said:

Here’s something I don’t understand -

On Cook’s 1H “targeting” penalty, the announcers and (eventually) the refs agreed that it was not targeting. Clearly Cook was just going for a tackle and Sanders dropping down at the last second caused him to miss the target. Still, it was shoulder to shoulder contact.

Why does the unnecessary roughness call stand (by rule) when the call on the field is overturned? 

 

12 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

I guess because he was already down?  I don't recall any "by rule."

OSU averages 5 penalties per game this year, a hair better than Texas' 5.3. Navy is the best in the country at 3.4. https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/stat/penalties-per-game

The likelihood of playing a zero penalty game without some kind of fucked up bias is vanishingly slim.

I don’t think unnecessary roughness is reviewable. 

[Slacks 6821]

I thought this was going to be about points in Q4.

[Sawbonz 27565]

1 hour ago, Beau Vine said:

That's a hold 100% of the time in other conferences.  

But we're just a stupid undisciplined team generally.  Shit, we jumped offsides  two plays in a row, the second one while Sark was screaming at the refs about the first call.

 

Dvorchek said it was ticky tack. If a DLineman for OU is saying that you know it was bullshit

[Fondren & Main 6718]

2 hours ago, futureman said:

gundy has instilled discipline in his players and I applaud him for it.  mistake-free performance today.

I know you are trolling but you made yourself a target…so stick it up your Hershey shooter.

[Nueces River Rat 5539]

13 hours ago, Auto Driller said:

Here’s something I don’t understand -

On Cook’s 1H “targeting” penalty, the announcers and (eventually) the refs agreed that it was not targeting. Clearly Cook was just going for a tackle and Sanders dropping down at the last second caused him to miss the target. Still, it was shoulder to shoulder contact.

Why does the unnecessary roughness call stand (by rule) when the call on the field is overturned? 

I said the same thing.    How does this happen?    I’m convinced especially after Bama game and the safety non call the Rig 12 Refs in the booth just make crap up and that’s what they tell the white hat on the field to call.  That’s why their stupid reviews take 10 mins to get down to the field.  

[MonkeyDoughnut 10253]

It's really just magnified by our 14, of which the vast majority was very much self inflicted and obvious. We've done well this year being disciplined but just fell apart yesterday.

Still zero is just not logical under any scenario in a tight ball game.

[hobbes2702 13045]

14 hours ago, Make em eat Taco Bell said:

most people here don't think that was a legit flag. 

Well sometimes people are wrong

[Ojo Rojo 1965]

[Surly Bevo 24957]

Guys the personal foul play isn't tough.  You can't hit a guy when he is sliding whether you hit his legs, his chest, his dick whatever, once he gives himself up and you hit him it's a personal foul.  It wasn't targeting because he wasn't doing the necessary things to qualify as targeting but yea he hit him....personal foul.

Now I think the QB slide should be outlawed but that is a whole different matter altogether.  

[ChickenNuggets 1628]

3 minutes ago, Surly Bevo said:

Guys the personal foul play isn't tough.  You can't hit a guy when he is sliding whether you hit his legs, his chest, his dick whatever, once he gives himself up and you hit him it's a personal foul.  It wasn't targeting because he wasn't doing the necessary things to qualify as targeting but yea he hit him....personal foul.

Now I think the QB slide should be outlawed but that is a whole different matter altogether.  

Yeah, it's garbage the way it's enforced. The defender was already leaning in and in motion before the QB began the slide. There's no physical way to avoid the hit sometimes... 

[hookem48 4687]

5 minutes ago, Surly Bevo said:

Guys the personal foul play isn't tough.  You can't hit a guy when he is sliding whether you hit his legs, his chest, his dick whatever, once he gives himself up and you hit him it's a personal foul.  It wasn't targeting because he wasn't doing the necessary things to qualify as targeting but yea he hit him....personal foul.

Now I think the QB slide should be outlawed but that is a whole different matter altogether.  

 review it and if the defensive guy is in his tackling motion before any attempt at sliding it's no foul. Cook was literally off the ground before that fucker even started to slide

[Surly Bevo 24957]

1 minute ago, hookem48 said:

 review it and if the defensive guy is in his tackling motion before any attempt at sliding it's no foul. Cook was literally off the ground before that fucker even started to slide

That's not reviewable by the current rules, at all.  The only thing they reviewed was the targeting.

[Beantown Express 2.0 6559]

The offsides and false starts we committed are obvious and stuff like that happens to a road team in a loud stadium.  I would argue a few of the Pass Interference calls on us helped extend drives for OSU that lead to points and those PI calls were BS.  Especially when you look at how the OSU DB's were allowed to be physical with our WR's.  The holding call on Jones was a pancake and not holding and if you are going to call holding on that then OSU should have had at least 50 holding calls during the game (and you probably could have called UT for another 50 holding calls also) but the refs for some reason didn't see any of those.  

[Deej 76800]

If Sanders had a 60 yard run and a flag was thrown for holding, I firmly believe the refs would have conferenced and picked up the flag. 

[oSuJeff97 3435]

56 minutes ago, MonkeyDoughnut said:

It's really just magnified by our 14, of which the vast majority was very much self inflicted and obvious. We've done well this year being disciplined but just fell apart yesterday.

Still zero is just not logical under any scenario in a tight ball game.

The first part of your statement is right on. Eight of the 14 penalties were either offsides or procedure. Texas was flagged 6 times on “judgement calls” like holding and PI.  OSU had zero procedure penalties and was flagged twice for judgment calls (both offensive holding) that were declined.

So it was 6-to-2 on “judgement” flags, which favors OSU but isn’t outlandish. If I were you all, I’d be more upset about 8 procedure type penalties. Those are purely on player discipline. 

[Hozz 1017]

Posted this in the Big 12 refs thread too but I wonder how often in Big 12 history this has happened, 14+ to 0 penalties?  Or even just a 14+ differential?  

[C-Man 27230]

6 minutes ago, oSuJeff97 said:

The first part of your statement is right on. Eight of the 14 penalties were either offsides or procedure. Texas was flagged 6 times on “judgement calls” like holding and PI.  OSU had zero procedure penalties and was flagged twice for judgment calls (both offensive holding) that were declined.

So it was 6-to-2 on “judgement” flags, which favors OSU but isn’t outlandish. If I were you all, I’d be more upset about 8 procedure type penalties. Those are purely on player discipline. 

Maybe. But our "two" were pretty inconsequential and at least half of your "six" were seismic, game-altering calls (PI on an uncatchable ball, hold on Ewers' 60-yard run).

[Drew 2409]

It’s like watching cowboys games where the other teams OL never even gets an Holding call against them. Unless it’s wiped out/declined or doesn’t affect the game.

[Beantown Express 2.0 6559]

48 minutes ago, oSuJeff97 said:

The first part of your statement is right on. Eight of the 14 penalties were either offsides or procedure. Texas was flagged 6 times on “judgement calls” like holding and PI.  OSU had zero procedure penalties and was flagged twice for judgment calls (both offensive holding) that were declined.

So it was 6-to-2 on “judgement” flags, which favors OSU but isn’t outlandish. If I were you all, I’d be more upset about 8 procedure type penalties. Those are purely on player discipline. 

You do realize that if any of us were allowed to be a ref and given 4 calls where we could hurt one team over another we could pretty much get a win for the team we favored if the teams are fairly equal overall.  You can't do it when Alabama plays some D3 school but you take two fairly equal teams and let a ref screw one of them on 3-4 calls and it will change the outcome of a game.  We aren't even talking about "non calls" against OSU that may have killed a few of their scoring drives.  Listen, UT played like shit and most likely could have or would have lost but adding in the ref bias is a really bad look for the Big 12 but it's been that way forever.  I would say enjoy the refs screwing you against OU but since OU is leaving also I guess they won't do that this year.  

[IDIOTsavant 8489]

16 hours ago, Beau Vine said:

That's a hold 100% of the time in other conferences.  

But we're just a stupid undisciplined team generally.  Shit, we jumped offsides  two plays in a row, the second one while Sark was screaming at the refs about the first call.

 

We didn’t jump twice (at least not the time Sark was bitching anyway). We got called for offsides when one of the players running off the field was behind the line of scrimmage. OSU subbed late, and the refs didn’t allow us to sub. Sark had every damn right to be pissed. We jumped the second time, but they called offside the first time instead of too many men in the field because that wouldn’t be reviewable. It was a big fuck you to Texas.

Edited October 23, 2022 by IDIOTsavant

[hookem48 4687]

1 hour ago, Surly Bevo said:

That's not reviewable by the current rules, at all.  The only thing they reviewed was the targeting.

yea I know, thought we were talking about what should happen

[oSuJeff97 3435]

29 minutes ago, Beantown Express 2.0 said:

You do realize that if any of us were allowed to be a ref and given 4 calls where we could hurt one team over another we could pretty much get a win for the team we favored if the teams are fairly equal overall.  You can't do it when Alabama plays some D3 school but you take two fairly equal teams and let a ref screw one of them on 3-4 calls and it will change the outcome of a game.  We aren't even talking about "non calls" against OSU that may have killed a few of their scoring drives.  Listen, UT played like shit and most likely could have or would have lost but adding in the ref bias is a really bad look for the Big 12 but it's been that way forever.  I would say enjoy the refs screwing you against OU but since OU is leaving also I guess they won't do that this year.  

Sure.

But I watch a lot of college football games. I see terrible, inconsistent officiating in practically every one of them.  Did you watch Clemson/Syracuse? There were two completely terrible/inconsistent roughing the QB calls in that game that basically tilted it in favor of Clemson. I’m sure all of the Syracuse message boards today are talking about how the refs are in the tank for Clemson, have a bias, blah, blah, blah.

I’ve heard/read this exact same song and dance from OSU fans when we end up on the shit end of it.

There’s no bias. There’s just terrible officiating every week and sometimes it bites you and sometimes it doesn’t. You just don’t think about it/notice it when it’s not negatively impacting you. Classic confirmation bias.

I do know this - getting 8 (!) procedure/offsides calls is something that is directly in a team’s control. It literally has nothing to do with any ref “bias.”

So I would tend to be more upset about that.

 

[Beantown Express 2.0 6559]

10 minutes ago, oSuJeff97 said:

Sure.

But I watch a lot of college football games. I see terrible, inconsistent officiating in practically every one of them.  Did you watch Clemson/Syracuse? There were two completely terrible/inconsistent roughing the QB calls in that game that basically tilted it in favor of Clemson. I’m sure all of the Syracuse message boards today are talking about how the refs are in the tank for Clemson, have a bias, blah, blah, blah.

I’ve heard/read this exact same song and dance from OSU fans when we end up on the shit end of it.

There’s no bias. There’s just terrible officiating every week and sometimes it bites you and sometimes it doesn’t. You just don’t think about it/notice it when it’s not negatively impacting you. Classic confirmation bias.

I do know this - getting 8 (!) procedure/offsides calls is something that is directly in a team’s control. It literally has nothing to do with any ref “bias.”

So I would tend to be more upset about that.

 

There may be a bias for Clemson to win by those refs (I really have no idea) but yes they were horrible calls so maybe incompetence was the culprit.  Do you honestly chalk up OSU not having one penalty all game as just bad officiating?  

[dec3169 501]

22 minutes ago, oSuJeff97 said:

Sure.

But I watch a lot of college football games. I see terrible, inconsistent officiating in practically every one of them.  Did you watch Clemson/Syracuse? There were two completely terrible/inconsistent roughing the QB calls in that game that basically tilted it in favor of Clemson. I’m sure all of the Syracuse message boards today are talking about how the refs are in the tank for Clemson, have a bias, blah, blah, blah.

I’ve heard/read this exact same song and dance from OSU fans when we end up on the shit end of it.

There’s no bias. There’s just terrible officiating every week and sometimes it bites you and sometimes it doesn’t. You just don’t think about it/notice it when it’s not negatively impacting you. Classic confirmation bias.

I do know this - getting 8 (!) procedure/offsides calls is something that is directly in a team’s control. It literally has nothing to do with any ref “bias.”

So I would tend to be more upset about that.

 

Have you ever seen a ref call a kick/punt back because they said the receiver called for a fair catch - but the receiver did no such thing?  Texas has.

[Hozz 1017]

Was listening to the radio call with the TV muted and I will be honest, hearing the coin flipping ref address Sanders by his first name gave me pause and Craig Way and his sidekick caught it too.  The sidekick said something like "Well at least he didn't call him Spence".  Way was pretty salty about the officiating, more than I recall him being generally.

[CurlyDumps 4473]

The early PI on Watts was a joke. He played perfect coverage, tried to turn his head to make play (not that it matters since face guarding isn't a penalty), and The WR just grabbed him from behind. OPI if anything, but nope!

On the endzone replay angle of that big 53 yard run that led to a TD, there was a clear as day shot of an Olineman behind our player with two fistfuls of jersey, preventing him from making an easy tackle.