Texas Women’s Basketball 2022-2023: Get on board or get out the damn way

[Js1 85337]

45-50 after 3

Its right there for us

[Rickylovesweed 14316]

Rori looks absolutely gassed but with injuries she has to play. 

[Rickylovesweed 14316]

A terrible game for Gaston. She's missing wide open easy ones. 

[Rickylovesweed 14316]

Look gassed and with all these injuries the lack of depth is killing us playing B2B in 48 hours. 

[Js1 85337]

2 minutes ago, Rickylovesweed said:

A terrible game for Gaston. She's missing wide open easy ones. 

Consistency has always been her biggest issue. That’s why any comparison she ever got to NaLyssa Smith was laughable 

[Cairn Horn88 8264]

Where’s Holly?

[TommysTinyTowels 787]

Just now, Rickylovesweed said:

Look gassed and with all these injuries the lack of depth is killing us playing B2B in 48 hours. 

This is correct. And the OU game was huge, we are physically and emotionally spent.

[Js1 85337]

3 minutes ago, Rickylovesweed said:

Look gassed and with all these injuries the lack of depth is killing us playing B2B in 48 hours. 

The injuries aren’t on Vic but going into the season with the guard depth we did is. 

[ClubWhatever 12144]

This team wasn’t ready to play.  

[Js1 85337]

2 minutes ago, TommysTinyTowels said:

This is correct. And the OU game was huge, we are physically and emotionally spent.

That game was never close in the 2nd half. No reason Rori didn’t sit the last few minutes. 

1 minute ago, ClubWhatever said:

This team wasn’t ready to play.  

B12 did us no favor with this back to back, but the L is on Vic not having this team ready 

Edited February 28, 2023 by Js1

[perfectchaos007 6642]

Like 80% of our shots that miss are short. Signs of a tired team

[Js1 85337]

This is over. Pretty much giving OU life to steal the title outright if we can’t get our shit together in Manhattan. Very disappointed. 

Not even sure this keep us at a 3 seed 

Edited February 28, 2023 by Js1

[perfectchaos007 6642]

Congrats to OU on their win today without playing

[Js1 85337]

1 minute ago, perfectchaos007 said:

Congrats to OU on their win today without playing

Yep. Big 12 gave them 4 days off and we had a back to back. Probably helped by ESPN wanting this game on Big Monday 

[ClubWhatever 12144]

Harmon got worked this game.  

[Js1 85337]

I also very fear we can’t get far without Sonya. And I, for some reason, don’t think she’ll be back 

[Js1 85337]

The Big 12, in all it’s genius glory, also waits a week longer than other conference tournament so while other teams are resting for 1.5 weeks, we will get like 4 days depending on how far we progress. 

[perfectchaos007 6642]

If we play like this at KSU, OU could win the Big12 outright.

[Js1 85337]

54-63

Just now, perfectchaos007 said:

If we play like this at KSU, OU could win the Big12 outright.

About the only “plus” is we get the whole rest of week off.  OU plays Wednesday and then Saturday against their in-state rival. 

Vic needs to just give them the day off tomorrow 

[dcar00 14208]

awful

[Js1 85337]

Just come out and tell us Morris is done for the year. We all know it at this point. 

[Gut Wagon 8070]

When I bragged on Vic for having them ready on the road against OU, I was assuming we'd not then lay this ugly egg at home. Short rest and injuries obviously hurt us, but this one just sucked. 

[LTtxfan 49187]

 

[perfectchaos007 6642]

4 minutes ago, LTtxfan said:

 

A lot of fans came out to watch us shit the bed. At least the team raised money for charity though.

[Js1 85337]

Just like the men’s team, playing Holle and Muhammad is like playing Hunter and Mitchell. We are just down scorers. Both Morris and Moore should be taking those minutes if healthy

 

[Kel Varnsen 8460]

Why must being a Horn be so frustrating?

Edited February 28, 2023 by Kel Varnsen

[Cairn Horn88 8264]

1 hour ago, Kel Varnsen said:

Why must being a Horn be so frustrating?

I understand.

I’m thinking Vic takes the blame for this game.

Both Baylor teams, who also played Saturday, won on the road tonight.

Does SEC play these Monday games?

[Js1 85337]

3 minutes ago, Cairn Horn88 said:

I understand.

I’m thinking Vic takes the blame for this game.

Both Baylor teams, who also played Saturday, won on the road tonight.

Does SEC play these Monday games?

SEC tends to play Thursday/Sundays with the occasional Monday game. But you’d play Thursday/Monday and not Saturday/Monday 

[Goodman 3273]

Just like the men’s team, playing Holle and Muhammad is like playing Hunter and Mitchell. We are just down scorers. Both Morris and Moore should be taking those minutes if healthy
 

Hopefully Gaston is ok moving forward. I was hopeful Hunter was going to take a positive step in year 2, she’s MIA. Moore was expected to be our top player before the season & her attempts to realize that role failed before injury which is a killer. I expected her to get into form at this time of year. Morris was starting to give quality minutes & goes down.

It’s helped develop others but man, we have some real weaknesses.

Hate to say it but the officials f’n hate Vic at Texas.

[TommysTinyTowels 787]

12 hours ago, Cairn Horn88 said:

Both Baylor teams, who also played Saturday, won on the road tonight.

 

True, but they played Tech at home in Waco, then drove an hour down to Austin. We played what was a huge game at OU at 6 pm.

 

 

 

[TommysTinyTowels 787]

19 minutes ago, Goodman said:

Hopefully Gaston is ok moving forward. I was hopeful Hunter was going to take a positive step in year 2, she’s MIA. Moore was expected to be our top player before the season & her attempts to realize that role failed before injury which is a killer. I expected her to get into form at this time of year. Morris was starting to give quality minutes & goes down.

It’s helped develop others but man, we have some real weaknesses.

Hate to say it but the officials f’n hate Vic at Texas.

All this. A few bad calls yesterday but the officiating was not why we lost that game.

As stated the main issue here is we started the year low on guards and then fragile self-absorbed Kyndall borked us.
Already low on guards and outside scorers we lost Sonya.
Yesterday Holle (40 min) went 1-7 (14.3%) for 5 points.  I love Shay but that's terrible production from the 3 position.
Shaylee 4-8 for 10 points.   Rori (39  min) 5-18 (28%) for 12 points. Amina had 6 TO in 18 minutes.

We really miss Sonya, I'm not wondering how we lost yesterday, I just amazed we won Saturday.
If, like JS1 thinks, she's done for the year I will not be optimistic for the remainder of the season.

 

[Js1 85337]

Not 100% sure I want to re-post some of the post-game stuff from social media because it makes me sad, but....

Also wasn't sure, Vic and Faye had an argument on the bench and she basically never came back into the game. I know Vic is hard on players, but damn.

I think Vic goes into the offseason with GUARD DEPTH on his mind.  2 from the portal, minimum.  We cannot do this shit again.  

[Js1 85337]

And either Morris is donezo because she had a setback or Vic cares more about the NCAAs than the regular season and is willing to keep her rested until the Big 12 tournament.

[perfectchaos007 6642]

Ironically, Chevalier would have gotten more playtime here than she has at Tech this season if she just patiently waited for her opportunity 

Edited February 28, 2023 by perfectchaos007

[Js1 85337]

3 minutes ago, perfectchaos007 said:

Ironically, Chevalier would have gotten more playtime here than she has at Tech this season if she just patiently waited for her opportunity 

I can see why she and Kyndall Hunter are such good friends.

Both screwed us this season. 

[Rickylovesweed 14316]

1 hour ago, Js1 said:

Not 100% sure I want to re-post some of the post-game stuff from social media because it makes me sad, but....

Also wasn't sure, Vic and Faye had an argument on the bench and she basically never came back into the game. I know Vic is hard on players, but damn.

I think Vic goes into the offseason with GUARD DEPTH on his mind.  2 from the portal, minimum.  We cannot do this shit again.  

True but a lot of shit had to happen for guard depth to be so thin. Hunter went MIA, Morris was injured, and Vic had to honor Codio's scholarship even with a major injury. 

Vic probably should have added another guard due to Hunter but it's also just a lot of bad luck. That's the most frustrating part about this season. Texas would have easily won the Big 12 considering they're tied for 1st missing essentially 2 starters for a huge chunk of the conference season and on top of that other bench players injured too. 

Moore and Morris were going to be starters and Hunter was probably going to be the first player off the bench. That's 3/6 top players missing and Texas is still tied for first place. Texas wins the Big 12 by 3 or 4 games if they are even remotely healthy this year. 

 

[Rickylovesweed 14316]

2 hours ago, Goodman said:

Moore was expected to be our top player before the season & her attempts to realize that role failed before injury which is a killer. 

Moore never got to play with Harmon because she was injured. 

Her game is really dependent on pick and pop which doesn't happen without a PG. Injuries have just fucked us all season. 

[someguy 1508]

18 hours ago, Js1 said:

Just come out and tell us Morris is done for the year. We all know it at this point. 

I don't think this is right.  

[Js1 85337]

Just now, someguy said:

I don't think this is right.  

Then what’s the deal? Just pessimism on my part. 

[TommysTinyTowels 787]

1 hour ago, Js1 said:

I can see why she and Kyndall Hunter are such good friends.

Both screwed us this season. 

True, but after watching Ashley play this year and watching KH's freshman campaign I'm not sure my disappointment in not having them around to play

 is warranted.  Maybe one of them could have given Rori a break, but unless KH has greatly improved Vic should have had a better option coming in from the portal.

They are both head-cases and court challenged.

[TommysTinyTowels 787]

I am so fucking disappointed.

 

 

[TommysTinyTowels 787]

 

[Js1 85337]

1 hour ago, TommysTinyTowels said:

True, but after watching Ashley play this year and watching KH's freshman campaign I'm not sure my disappointment in not having them around to play

 is warranted.  Maybe one of them could have given Rori a break, but unless KH has greatly improved Vic should have had a better option coming in from the portal.

They are both head-cases and court challenged.

As we saw in that Tech game in Austin, having an extra guard who can handle the ball without vomiting all over themselves would be nice. 

But yes, Vic is classy and a good dude, maybe he truly believed Hunter just needed some more time.  But now it's been 2 years of basically nothing from her.  Time to cut bait.  Good luck elsewhere, I'm sure Gerlich would take her. 

[perfectchaos007 6642]

2 hours ago, Js1 said:

As we saw in that Tech game in Austin, having an extra guard who can handle the ball without vomiting all over themselves would be nice. 

But yes, Vic is classy and a good dude, maybe he truly believed Hunter just needed some more time.  But now it's been 2 years of basically nothing from her.  Time to cut bait.  Good luck elsewhere, I'm sure Gerlich would take her. 

I don't think Gerlich wants to waste a scholarship on a spectator either. If Hunter wants to play again, the next coach will need assurance that she will play if physically cleared. AFAIK, Hunter's absence has been due to mental health not physical health

[Js1 85337]

27 minutes ago, perfectchaos007 said:

I don't think Gerlich wants to waste a scholarship on a spectator either. If Hunter wants to play again, the next coach will need assurance that she will play if physically cleared. AFAIK, Hunter's absence has been due to mental health not physical health

That was more my dig at Gerlich who would love to grab another play who had mental health issues at Texas and act like we just ignored them and threw them away 

[Js1 85337]

We all know Joens will win the Big 12 POY award because most of the coaches will end up treating it as her Lifetime Achievement Award, but ESPN is going to disagree.  The Blonde Mafia is probably going to ensure a Texas player doesn't win POY. 

Women's college basketball player of the year in all 32 conferences (espn.com)

Big 12

Rori Harmon, 5-6, G, Texas Longhorns

The numbers aren't eye-popping, but Harmon's importance to the Longhorns' success can't be overstated. When she was out because of a foot injury early in the season, Texas started 1-3. With Harmon engineering the Longhorns on both ends of the floor now, they are on the verge of a Big 12 regular-season title.

Top competition: Ashley Joens, 6-1, F, Iowa State Cyclones

Winning Big 12 player of the year is about the only accolade Joens hasn't achieved in her five-year career. She is on the verge of leading the conference in scoring for a third time but might lose out again because the Cyclones won't win the regular-season title.

[TommysTinyTowels 787]

We know the Big12 isn't going to show any love for Texas, witness the preseason rankings. Next year should be fun because Rori's numbers should be even better with help at guard, but giving any Texas player accolades in our last season in the conference would be making the "blonde mafia" eat a turd taco.

But nice to see ESPN recognizing Harmon's greatness.

We know who the B12 player of the year is.

[Js1 85337]

I still think Celeste Taylor should have stayed.  ACC DPOY.  She would be killing it with multiple seasons under Vic.

12.3 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 60 steals and 17 blocks her one year under Vic.  Imagine if she was playing alongside Rori, Shaylee or Morris and AMo, versus Lambert, JAT and Warren.  The one advantage in personnel that Celeste had her one year under Vic was Charli Collier > Taylor Jones

Edited March 1, 2023 by Js1

[TommysTinyTowels 787]

25 minutes ago, Js1 said:

I still think Celeste Taylor should have stayed.  ACC DPOY.  She would be killing it with multiple seasons under Vic.

12.3 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 60 steals and 17 blocks her one year under Vic.  Imagine if she was playing alongside Rori, Shaylee or Morris and AMo, versus Lambert, JAT and Warren.  The one advantage in personnel that Celeste had her one year under Vic was Charli Collier > Taylor Jones

I love Vic but sometimes wonder if his holy-roller stuff and his sidelines rageaholism doesn't lose us some players.

Celeste left to be "closer to family" but she's not that close at Duke. We had what - 6 players transfer last year?

The girls appear to like him though...

[Js1 85337]

1 minute ago, TommysTinyTowels said:

Celeste left to be "closer to family" but she's not that close at Duke.

COVID year was difficult for everyone and Celeste was far from home and isolated due to COVID.  NYC to Durham only 8 hours. The only major program close to home for her was, what, Rutgers or UConn or Syracuse? It has probably easier for her family to watch her games at Rutgers, at Syracuse, at BC, and at Pitt, compared to 1 road game they could easily get to for Texas (WV). 

I still have no faults with Warren, Ebo and Kobe transferring out after they graduated with degrees from Texas. It is also how we got Sonya and Shaylee, plus we got Lambert in 2020-21 as well.  We really only "lost" Celeste, Chevalier, Lattimore and then a bunch of Aston scrubs like Ortiz and Coleman.  And Precious Johnson.  Celeste and Lattimore were the biggest losses of the Vic era, by far, but it happens.