2023 Official Astros World Champs Offseason Thread

[TexArcher 38039]

7 hours ago, henrygandorf said:

love these articles and comments from the mlb media about marring a world series or how the baseball world will be critical of the astros for this move.

get. the. fuck. out. with. that. nonsense.

i just spent 3 days at fucking epcot with my in-laws and wore my bright orange trucker hat on purpose because we won the world series the night before.  i got some high-fives and plenty of grown adults yelling "cheaters" or "trash-tros" like we were on twitter or something. 

my father-in-law and i almost came to blows with some drunken idiot who yelled at us for supporting a team that cheats.  he shut up pretty quick when i said, "i've been rooting for this team for 40 years, what kind of shitty god-damned fan abandons their team over buzzer rumors and sign-stealing half the league was also doing?"  he was like, "what about the illegal bat?"  i said, "you mean the same bat the dodgers took turns hitting homers with?"

i'm done with optics.  we just won a 2nd title.  we're not the braves, we're not the chiefs, we're the fucking patriots.  let's go.

My go-to response is, "Who's your favorite baseball team, and before you answer, you should know that we're about to google them and the word steroids and take a look at the results together.  Now, go ahead."

[tx 3 putt 77354]

[runthebone 8030]

9 hours ago, Seasick Sailor said:

I'll reserve judgment for now, but I really hope Crane didn't do this with a solid backup plan in place. His comments about the "structure" of baseball operations leads me to believe he may replace Click with someone already in the FO. I'd be all for bringing in Mejdal or Stearns. I don't want Crane calling the shots with input from various other people. 

Jim Crane doesn't take a dump, son, without a plan.

[Fudge Nuggets 19215]

51 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

I wish I could pull of wearing a suit that awesome.  I also wish I could pull some trim like that.

[tx 3 putt 77354]

 

Edited November 12, 2022 by tx 3 putt

[tx 3 putt 77354]

 

[Fudge Nuggets 19215]

16 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

Fuck Ausmus.  He's been a turd everywhere he goes.

[tx 3 putt 77354]

3 minutes ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

Fuck Ausmus.  He's been a turd everywhere he goes.

 

but he's a biggio and bagwell bro, sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo he'll likely be hired 

[henrygandorf 29194]

1 hour ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

wait, what?

[UTHornFan014 710]

10 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

wait, what?

Guy has like 200 followers on Twitter. I'd take that with a grain of salt

[Wulaw Horn 19147]

7 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

Jacob DeGrom is a subscriber to the Heritage Foundation and hates taxes. He needs to leave Ny for the friendly tax treatment in Texas or Florida, and the Rays and Marlins are too cheap to throw him a good offer. 4D chess. 

[Guest]

10 hours ago, TexArcher said:

My go-to response is, "Who's your favorite baseball team, and before you answer, you should know that we're about to google them and the word steroids and take a look at the results together.  Now, go ahead."

I don't even indulge them.  I just roll my eyes and tell them Manfred appreciates their naivete very much...  and that they can fuck off.

Wore an Astros shirt Monday in Vegas and got zero negativity, even with Dodger fans in the area.  Lotsa high-fives, fist bumps, and "way-to-goes!"

Edited November 12, 2022 by slorch

[billfromlaketravis 11522]

Matt Thomas put forth an interesting theory on 790 yesterday. He thinks Reggie Jackson is the man behind the man. 

Edited November 12, 2022 by billfromlaketravis

[billfromlaketravis 11522]

7 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

What would a club friendly deGrom contract look like? 

The Rangers overypaying is in their wheelhouse. 

[texashorne 1178]

13 minutes ago, billfromlaketravis said:

What would a club friendly deGrom contract look like? 

The Rangers overypaying is in their wheelhouse. 

Well if he's narrowed it down to Astros and Rangers, it's definitely money he's after. 

[Guest]

Would DeGrom be satisfied being the go-to innings eater out of the pen?

[OB3 3629]

 

[LebongJames 1813]

1 minute ago, OB3 said:

 

Gross. I mean he pitched well but 11.5 million for a set up guy is something else. Did Bagwell or Reggie Jackson make this signing? Or did Click?

[tx 3 putt 77354]

Wasn’t expecting him to come back. We’ll have a very strong bullpen again. Did he just take Whitley’s spot in the bullpen ?

[tx 3 putt 77354]

$2.75 mil to $11 for 3 years is a hell of a raise !

[runthebone 8030]

Did not expect Montero back.  Well, he had a good year, maybe Dusty wante him.

[Wulaw Horn 19147]

Gross is right. Bullpen guys other than the elite of the elite are like a roller coaster up and down. Thats a shitload of money for a guy that’s A) not totally necessary and B) doesn’t have a long track record. 
thats 33M that should have gone to extending Framber or Javier or filling one of the 3 black holes in the lineup. 

[Mitch Hedberg 2090]

I’d always be wary of guys that all of a sudden have a great year at 32. Three year deal? Better chance he regresses than maintains but maybe they discovered something in him. That $11 mil could have been spent better in my opinion. But I’ve already had 3 shots of tequila cooking in a cookoff and watching Gameday. I may not be thinking clearly.

[kevwun 15857]

Hopefully it works out like with Pressly.  That is a lot of money for 1 good year.

[Chuckie Finster 22727]

Don’t love it!

[Guadaloopy 11012]

Fuck it.  Keep the band together and let’s run it back.  

[Mitch Hedberg 2090]

Shit like this is why we need a GM. Agents just dropping contracts off and somebody signing them?

[formermav43 4606]

8 minutes ago, Guadaloopy said:

Fuck it.  Keep the band together and let’s run it back.  

That’s how you close your own window.

That Montero deal is terrible.

[Guadaloopy 11012]

11 hours ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

I wish I could pull of wearing a suit that awesome.  I also wish I could pull some trim like that.

Surly/

Check out those upper arms - they do not bode well for the future.  And there’s a bit of biscuit dough busting out the back of her dress.  WNB.

/Surly

 

[Fudge Nuggets 19215]

Bun B's 2 Trill Show on Sirius XM this week was an Astros commemorative edition.  It was pretty darn cool.

[Amos Moses 795]

Yeah that Montero deal doesn’t seem ideal.

[Wulaw Horn 19147]

3 minutes ago, formermav43 said:

That’s how you close your own window.

That Montero deal is terrible.

Yep. Curse of success. You do stupid shit like pay Montero 33M, or bring back a 39 YO Yuli, or a broken and 35 year old Brantley and you wonder why it all went to shit. 
 

[Guadaloopy 11012]

Look… I know the Montero deal is unexpected, but it’s not like this FO to just spend without a reason.  I’ll wait to see how he performs before judging the signing.  

[tx 3 putt 77354]

I’d rather use that $11mil to bring back brantley / yuli than Montero. Let a young arm step up in the bp. If it doesn’t happen, make a move at the deadline 

[Ojo Rojo 1967]

12 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

This guy fucks.

[Fudge Nuggets 19215]

6 minutes ago, Guadaloopy said:

Surly/

Check out those upper arms - they do not bode well for the future.  And there’s a bit of biscuit dough busting out the back of her dress.  WNB.

/Surly

 

I think he will have the ability to upgrade to a newer model before the current model hits the expiration date.

[Guadaloopy 11012]

4 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said:

Yep. Curse of success. You do stupid shit like pay Montero 33M, or bring back a 39 YO Yuli, or a broken and 35 year old Brantley and you wonder why it all went to shit. 
 

My “fuck it” was meant to express slight exasperation at the Montero deal.  On the surface, it’s odd.  I’m OK with letting Yuli walk, even though he is one of my favorites.  I wouldn’t mind kicking the tires on Brantley.   

Edited November 12, 2022 by Guadaloopy

[runthebone 8030]

Well, who knows what the budget is.

[kevwun 15857]

Yeah if it doesn’t effect any other signings, it’s not a big deal.  Won’t know that for awhile though

[formermav43 4606]

1 minute ago, Guadaloopy said:

Look… I know the Montero deal is unexpected, but it’s not like this FO to just spend without a reason.  I’ll wait to see how he performs before judging the signing.  

Even if he performs well, it’s *still* a bad move based on process. They have at least 3 guys already under contract capable of filling high leverage roles before Pressly (Stanek, Nerris, Abreau). There’s such excess that Stanek basically disappeared in the postseason. And that’s before you get to anyone already in the system or bargain basement relievers they can find and reshape-let’s not forget, Montero himself was a throw in on the Graveman trade, he was about to be DFA.

Find the next Montero, don’t overpay for the last one. That’s what has made this org great.

[runthebone 8030]

Maybe it's 2 with a club option.  (fingers crossed)

[The Dog 44131]

 

[tx 3 putt 77354]

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It’s a remarkable deal considering Montero has amassed just 0.1 bWAR over his career and had an ERA north of six just last year, but speaks to how good he’s looked since landing in Houston, and the early value teams are placing on high end relief pitching.

 

 

 

 

What other offers did he have ???

[Guadaloopy 11012]

I know a lot of you won’t touch Facebook with a ten ft pole, much less the Houston Astros Nation group, but the admin of the group shared an interesting post about the Clicks   

 

[Fudge Nuggets 19215]

Pretty damn cool that his wife's name is Ace.

[tx 3 putt 77354]

Very nice of them to get involved like that 

[Seasick Sailor 3747]

48 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said:

Gross is right. Bullpen guys other than the elite of the elite are like a roller coaster up and down. Thats a shitload of money for a guy that’s A) not totally necessary and B) doesn’t have a long track record. 
thats 33M that should have gone to extending Framber or Javier or filling one of the 3 black holes in the lineup. 

Definitely seems like an overpay for a guy who is only marginally better than Stanek and who was the worst performer out of the pen in the playoffs. I would have been fine with a backend of the bullpen that went Neris > Abreu > Pressly with Stanek/Martinez taking the middle innings. 

[Mitch Hedberg 2090]

People on Facebook saying Montero’s age and money are on par with Pressly so it’s a good deal are why I don’t bother with Facebook fan groups. It’s refreshing to have a group here where “fan” doesn’t come with loss of all thought and reason.

[tx 3 putt 77354]

6 minutes ago, Seasick Sailor said:

Definitely seems like an overpay for a guy who is only marginally better than Stanek and who was the worst performer out of the pen in the playoffs. I would have been fine with a backend of the bullpen that went Neris > Abreu > Pressly with Stanek/Martinez taking the middle innings. 

https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/rankings/2022/salary/relief-pitcher/
 

we’re over paying him for the next 3 years. That third year better be a club option. This is the dumb shit the Yankees pull 

Edited November 12, 2022 by tx 3 putt

[rvm96 1643]

I don't feel as bad now that I compared it to Robert Suarez's deal. Montero pitched something like 20 more innings also