2023 Official Astros World Champs Offseason Thread

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11 minutes ago, The Dog said:

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On 2/21/2023 at 9:36 AM, Scraps said:

boot one of these loser fucks off the 40 man and sign Profar now

need some insurance to play LF if both Yordan and Brantley are going to be in dicking around in the trainers room 

 

 

Not to mention they should have signed him even without this news 

can profar pitch  ?

[dr99 560]

McCullers is going to be the new Roger Clemens who only pitches the second half of the season each year

[Wulaw Horn 19156]

12 minutes ago, dr99 said:

McCullers is going to be the new Roger Clemens who only pitches the second half of the season each year

If he could show up to work in the middle of May every year- have a 6 week spring training complete with 4 AAA starts and be ready to throw 90 pitches every July 1 I would pretty happily take that if we are being honest.  LMJ isn't necessary for the regular season with the depth that we have.  You can muddle through 20 starts with a AAAA type guy like Bielak (no offense to him- maybe he's a legit 4.5 or 5 starter in the bigs) with a team as good as ours, just so long as you have the higher quality guys in the playoffs.  
If we can push LMJ out to where he's not a top 4 option in the playoffs (and that could happen with Framber, Javier, Brown and Garcia if he makes a leap then cool- lets jettison him and use the extra 17M to lock up Whitley on his 10 year 400M contract. 

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i like this flexibility 

[Wulaw Horn 19156]

20 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

i like this flexibility 

I'd like it a lot more if we used it to extend Tucker or Abreu + Garcia + Urquidy.  If Tucker would take something like 10/250 to get done (that's where I think his number likely is) then backing out his $5M salary would have us $5M over.  That wouldn't be a bad penalty or anything.  Or we could get rid of Maton and Dubon and replace them with Paredes and Leon for example and be right on the number.  That would cut your flexibility but it would make you contenders through 2028. I'd rather be a contender through 2028 then be able to pick up Mancini and a middle reliever at the deadline, but YMMV. 

[tx 3 putt 77650]

Tucker’s next contract will start with a ‘3’ 

 

[UTexasFight 9567]

49 minutes ago, dr99 said:

McCullers is going to be the new Roger Clemens who only pitches the second half of the season each year

The problem is he’s making more than the rest of the entire starting rotation this year  who are being paid to, you know, pitch the entire season.

[Wulaw Horn 19156]

1 minute ago, tx 3 putt said:

Tucker’s next contract will start with a ‘3’ 

 

IF he gets to FA healthy and productive yeah, probably.  He might take 10/250 now to mitigate all his risk though.  That isn't a bad deal.  

[Fudge Nuggets 19240]

On 2/21/2023 at 10:13 AM, Seasick Sailor said:

If Maton hadn't punched his locker like an idiot, we would have lost Game 3 in Seattle because Dusty absolutely would have used him before Garcia and he absolutely would have given up a run. So, in his own way, he made a major contribution to our playoff run. 

You will never convince me his Game 6 shot was only 450 feet. If that's what the math says, the math is fucking lying. 

The blast he put into the third deck his rookie year was listed at ~380 ft. I was thinking “get the fuck out of here with that bullshit”.

[Fudge Nuggets 19240]

4 hours ago, Hank Chinaski said:

Yeah that 98 team was loaded. That was a better team than SD, though probably not by much. I hate short playoff series. 

Fuck Kevin Brown. 

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18 minutes ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

Fuck Kevin Brown. 

buzzsaw 

[BornOrange 1441]

2 hours ago, The Dog said:

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[CycleTex87 2991]

LMJ's only job at this point is to drop some F-bombs and spray the Champagne in the locker room.

[UTexasFight 9567]

13 minutes ago, CycleTex87 said:

LMJ's only job at this point is to drop some F-bombs and spray the Champagne in the locker room.

I do the former on a daily basis…and am a quick learner and sure I can pick up the latter.

I’d be willing to do all of this for $10M OBO  saving the team a substantial amount of money in the process. 

[Seasick Sailor 3747]

 

[Dutchrudder 11155]

Taking a look at other Outfielders and what they earn sorted by AAV, Tucker should be looking to get about 25-30m a year average value. Springer got 25m per year from the Blue Jays, Nimmo got 20m, Yelich and Bryant 26m, and I think Tucker is better than all those guys. Betts, Judge and Trout are probably considered better players in general, but of course Trout isn't very reliable. Harper got 25m per, but that was 4 years ago. Tucker should be somewhere in the top 10 highest paid outfielders, probably around 4-6th in AAV, but if the team is buying out 2-3 years of arbitration, they should get a discount.  8 years for 200m would be an average of 25m per, including the 3 years of arbitration, and it would give him a ton of security for the future. 

How many years for Tucker is debatable, but he has 2 more years of shitty arbitration, so he should be incentivized to lock in now and avoid any risk of losing out on the big payday down the road due to injury.  10 for 300 at age 26 would be pretty good for the team, as prices only seem to be going upward, but Crane doesn't like those really long deals. That would be like a 7 year extension beyond his arbitration years.  Sounds fair to me, but 3 years is a long time to wait to cash in. 

https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/contracts/sort-value/outfield/limit-100/

[Evil Bill Obrien 3304]

3 hours ago, The Dog said:

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Not that I'm that surprised, but still...

[David Dennison 18993]

2 hours ago, Wulaw Horn said:

IF he gets to FA healthy and productive yeah, probably.  He might take 10/250 now to mitigate all his risk though.  That isn't a bad deal.  

Would the Astros offer that?

Edited February 22, 2023 by David Dennison

[Welch 635]

3 hours ago, Wulaw Horn said:

LMJ isn't necessary for the regular season with the depth that we have.

Given his ERA near 10 in the ALCS and WS last year, I’m not sure he’s necessary in the postseason either.

[henrygandorf 29198]

5 hours ago, Storm the Field said:

Hunter Brown, welcome to the starting rotation!

[Scraps 13585]

Whitley better get his shit together....he is like 1 starter injury away from making his mlb debut now

[Scraps 13585]

Also i know i know we would go Bielak over him if that situation came up

[tx 3 putt 77650]

14 minutes ago, Scraps said:

Whitley better get his shit together....he is like 1 starter injury away from making his mlb debut now

i think you meant ‘Maton’ 

[Wulaw Horn 19156]

2 hours ago, David Dennison said:

Would the Astros offer that?

I don’t know. 
I would be really really really happy if they did. I don’t know that’s enough to get it done- but if they offered that it would be a sea change from how we’ve acted before and I would believe the new GM has Cranes ear. 

Edited February 22, 2023 by Wulaw Horn

[Wulaw Horn 19156]

54 minutes ago, Scraps said:

Whitley better get his shit together....he is like 1 starter injury away from making his mlb debut now

23D chess man. 

[henrygandorf 29198]

i still don't know exactly where whitley fits in even if he looks good.

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1 hour ago, henrygandorf said:

i still don't know exactly where whitley fits in even if he looks good.

The white ohtani 

[billfromlaketravis 11562]

Would they consider a 6 man rotation with Whitley as the 6th man?

[runthebone 8052]

Maybe Whitley should prove he doesn't suck first.

[TonyTexas 10537]

1 hour ago, billfromlaketravis said:

Would they consider a 6 man rotation with Whitley as the 6th man?

A 6 man rotation won’t be necessary for the first 2 months of the season as there is an off day every week. Hopefully, LMJ will be a full go by June when we have a stretch of 17 consecutive games. 

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We have a lot of young arms for BP games 

[CycleTex87 2991]

17 hours ago, Seasick Sailor said:

 

I'll be honest, but kinda wanted to see 'Tuve take him deep.

[Fudge Nuggets 19240]

12 hours ago, TonyTexas said:

Hopefully, LMJ will be a full go by June when we have a stretch of 17 consecutive games. 

I laughed.

[Fudge Nuggets 19240]

1 hour ago, CycleTex87 said:

I'll be honest, but kinda wanted to see 'Tuve take him deep.

Do we know he didn't?  Maybe those clips didn't make the "producer's cut".

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I’d like to see combo starts i that #5 spot

might ease up the pressure some 

[henrygandorf 29198]

what’s a non gay way to ask him to go camping with me?

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6 hours ago, CycleTex87 said:

I'll be honest, but kinda wanted to see 'Tuve take him deep.

I'll be honest, but I was amazed at the number of non-strikes for just throwing BP.

[TexArcher 38119]

On 2/22/2023 at 12:40 PM, Wulaw Horn said:

use the extra 17M to lock up Whitley on his 10 year 400M contract.

That's only a million per win, and that's why this is the best front office in sports.

[CycleTex87 2991]

Man, 40 wins a year.  Damn.

[TexArcher 38119]

Well, on average, yeah.  He's not gonna be 25 for all of those years.

[runthebone 8052]

3 hours ago, slorch said:

I'll be honest, but I was amazed at the number of non-strikes for just throwing BP.

For Altuve not to swing, it's not even close.

[Guest]

Imagining Urquidy throwing BP...

all strikes, and you better be ready.  LOL

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[Seasick Sailor 3747]

Seems relevant to the MLBtv discussion from upthread:

 

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6 minutes ago, Seasick Sailor said:

 

[Wulaw Horn 19156]

1 hour ago, tx 3 putt said:

Stop.  My Penis can only get so erect

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Two innings / 3 k’s / 1 bb / 1 hit

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Dusty prepping that game 2 lineup ….