2023 Official Astros World Champs Offseason Thread

[TonyTexas 10482]

^^^
Full article 

https://www.insider.com/mlb-used-two-balls-again-this-year-and-evidence-points-to-a-third-2022-12

[Starfleet Command 441]

10 hours ago, HtownHorn said:

I see the Astros going with a 6-man rotation again this season, and it's likely going to be the next big change in MLB. I think more teams will start using 6-man rotations. It makes sense from the standpoint of keeping your main starters healthy for the playoffs. Instead of starting 35 games, keep them in the 28-30 range. Just the way it's going to be moving forward, where the top starters barely get over 200 innings, where most guys are 150-180.

Regular season Verlander is different than post-season Verlander.

I think the Astros will attempt a six man again thud season, but I think teams are well aware of its value. However you have to have a ton of quality SP depth to pull it off.  A starter getting blown up in the second inning is much more costly to a team using a six man rotation - your starters have to perform for it to work.  
 

The Astros have six legit MLB caliber starting pitchers without adding any from free agency. They also gave Bielak and guys like JP France around for spot starts and the like. France’s projected ERA for 2023 is around 4.0, which is incredible for an org’s maybe seventh best SP.  Then there are guys like Melendez, Arrighetti, Gordon, and Ullola coming behind them. 

[tx 3 putt 76368]

So the Yankees had juiced balls and we still no hitted them ? 

[TonyTexas 10482]

34 minutes ago, Starfleet Command said:

A starter getting blown up in the second inning is much more costly to a team using a six man rotation

Please explain your reasoning behind this statement 

[Wulaw Horn 18980]

5 minutes ago, TonyTexas said:

Please explain your reasoning behind this statement 

There’s one less bullpen guy to wear it in that situation. Most teams would have their 6th starter likely as their long reliever who comes in and saves the bullpen. 6 man rotation less likely to have that guy. 

[HtownHorn 14486]

3 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said:

There’s one less bullpen guy to wear it in that situation. Most teams would have their 6th starter likely as their long reliever who comes in and saves the bullpen. 6 man rotation less likely to have that guy. 

Nope. 26 man rosters 7 releivers. If you need 8 relievers you have a shitty pitching staff.

Edited December 7, 2022 by HtownHorn

[UTexasFight 9380]

1 hour ago, tx 3 putt said:

So the Yankees had juiced balls and we still no hitted them ? 

Well, when you’re not, you know, hitting them, does it really matter how juiced they are?

[formermav43 4599]

1 hour ago, HtownHorn said:

Nope. 26 man rosters 7 releivers. If you need 8 relievers you have a shitty pitching staff.

I thought that was his point. *Most* teams do after just a few guys.

[Wulaw Horn 18980]

20 minutes ago, formermav43 said:

I thought that was his point. *Most* teams do after just a few guys.

That’s what I took the point to be. 

[TexArcher 37508]

3 hours ago, TonyTexas said:

^^^
Full article 

https://www.insider.com/mlb-used-two-balls-again-this-year-and-evidence-points-to-a-third-2022-12

So, MLB took a break from roasting the Astros to doctor some baseballs to help Aaron Judge get a record?

Hang on while I find my shocked face.

[texashorne 1177]

1 minute ago, TexArcher said:

So, MLB took a break from roasting the Astros to doctor some baseballs to help Aaron Judge get a record?

Hang on while I find my shocked face.

I still don't understand all that BS. It pisses me off too. Hope Yordan takes it down next season..wonder if they cut from football games to shoe Yordan's AB's. 

[texashorne 1177]

Bellinger to Cubs. 1 year 17 million

[tx 3 putt 76368]

3 minutes ago, texashorne said:

Bellinger to Cubs. 1 year 17 million

Over paid

[Gourmand 7774]

6 minutes ago, texashorne said:

Bellinger to Cubs. 1 year 17 million

[TexArcher 37508]

That's like a million per home run.

Shrewd.  Like National League Rangers shrewd.

[runthebone 7932]

Well, you have to understand the Cubs' logic, which is that they won't be overpaying for World Series underperformance.

[henrygandorf 29175]

 

[tx 3 putt 76368]

hard pass on those numbers 

[runthebone 7932]

Hmm, a 35 year old catcher not known for his defense would be nonoptimal.  But $17 per is ok.

[Mstrat 16]

 

Just let Korey and Yainer battle it out in spring training and be done with it. No trading anything right now until there’s a proper GM in place.

[tx 3 putt 76368]

that's the kind of contract other teams make and we make fun of them 

there will always be players available at the trade deadline 

[runthebone 7932]

I would offer 3 for $60, maybe some bullshit 4th year mutual option type thing if he wants the number to look bigger.

[henrygandorf 29175]

 

[SecretSquirrel 2]

I've been a fan of Vazquez for awhile. Definately one of the few Red Sox players I had no issue rooting for. Has that kind of quiet intensity of Pudge, Yadi, Maldy. 

[Snake Diggity 4614]

7 hours ago, henrygandorf said:

 

$68M/4yrs is about the top of what Contreras should be worth.  I’d be fine with that deal depending on what the terms were for the 5th year option.  But it certainly would not look like a bargain.

[Scraps 13542]

Bellinger to Cubs. 1 year 17 million

Lol

[formermav43 4599]

4 years at $17/yr is right on the fangraphs crowdsource prediction (and is below what Clemens projected for AAV). If you have been wishing for Contreras, you should know that’s what it’s going to take.

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10. Willson Contreras, C, Age 31

Contract Estimate

Type	Years	AAV	Total
Ben Clemens	4	$20.0 M	$80.0 M
Median Crowdsource	4	$17.7 M	$70.6 M
Avg Crowdsource	3.84	$17.4 M	$66.8 M

 

[Planet Houston 4923]

 

[TexArcher 37508]

Cool, I was worried he might leave and NYY might stop making the playoffs and laying down for us.

[Wulaw Horn 18980]

22 minutes ago, formermav43 said:

4 years at $17/yr is right on the fangraphs crowdsource prediction (and is below what Clemens projected for AAV). If you have been wishing for Contreras, you should know that’s what it’s going to take.

 

It’s like I’m taking crazy pills. People are objecting to Abreu deal which is going to end up the best

deal of the off-season, and now people are objecting to a deal that’s much less than Comtreras will actually sign?

 

4/68 is actually pretty shitty in light of what else is going on. I expect him to probably get 5/95 or 4/80 (at least on paper with an option or something on the 5th year) and the Astros should absolutely pay it. 

Yet online all I read are fans pining for an ancient Yuli to come back, re-sign a broken Brantley and turn the catcher job over to a couple of dipshits, one of whom doesn’t actually want to catch and the other of whom will be so bad offensively that it will make machete blush. All during our window of exactly 3 years when we will have 6 good to great starters locked down- 5 of whom we won’t be paying market rate to. 
 

[tx 3 putt 76368]

1 hour ago, Planet Houston said:

 

 

 

[tx 3 putt 76368]

I hope judge can pitch once a week. Lot of innings in a season 

[Chuckie Finster 22600]

I wish I could put a bet down on how much the Yankees will still owe him when his body breaks down.  I bet it will be nine figures.

[tx 3 putt 76368]

They have a lot of money tied up in guys who aren’t team leaders 

Edited December 7, 2022 by tx 3 putt

[Hank Chinaski 6310]

1 hour ago, Wulaw Horn said:

It’s like I’m taking crazy pills. People are objecting to Abreu deal which is going to end up the best

deal of the off-season, and now people are objecting to a deal that’s much less than Comtreras will actually sign?

 

4/68 is actually pretty shitty in light of what else is going on. I expect him to probably get 5/95 or 4/80 (at least on paper with an option or something on the 5th year) and the Astros should absolutely pay it. 

Yet online all I read are fans pining for an ancient Yuli to come back, re-sign a broken Brantley and turn the catcher job over to a couple of dipshits, one of whom doesn’t actually want to catch and the other of whom will be so bad offensively that it will make machete blush. All during our window of exactly 3 years when we will have 6 good to great starters locked down- 5 of whom we won’t be paying market rate to. 
 

Is the plan still to play him in the OF a bunch? I wouldn’t be super excited about giving $80mm to a 31 year-old catcher to play LF. If the plan is for him to catch 120 games and DH some, cool. If it is for him to play 50 games in LF, I’d rather they just sign an OF.

[Dutchrudder 11115]

Don't ya just love it when your arch nemesis punches themselves in the dick? And we get to watch it happen for about 6 years once Judge is over the hill. 40m a year... Oof.

[Wulaw Horn 18980]

16 minutes ago, Hank Chinaski said:

Is the plan still to play him in the OF a bunch? I wouldn’t be super excited about giving $80mm to a 31 year-old catcher to play LF. If the plan is for him to catch 120 games and DH some, cool. If it is for him to play 50 games in LF, I’d rather they just sign an OF.

Nah. If I had to guess I would say 60 catching and 70 or 80 at DH with an occasional 1B or LF mixed in. Catching too much degraded his offense. This team is going to make the playoffs easy. It can waste its time with Maldy catching 100 games as long as come playoff time we go with the big bat. 

[huge 3788]

8 hours ago, henrygandorf said:

 

I dont understand this.  What is the big deal?  Making fun of the ball when throwing a no-no?

[henrygandorf 29175]

4 minutes ago, huge said:

I dont understand this.  What is the big deal?  Making fun of the ball when throwing a no-no?

juiced balls and we still threw a no-hitter. 

[texashorne 1177]

4 minutes ago, huge said:

I dont understand this.  What is the big deal?  Making fun of the ball when throwing a no-no?

It took me a while too. The article a few posts above detailed how the MLB provided more hitter friendly balls to the Yankees and in the post season...And this is a picture with one of those balls. 

[LebongJames 1785]

28 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said:

Nah. If I had to guess I would say 60 catching and 70 or 80 at DH with an occasional 1B or LF mixed in. Catching too much degraded his offense. This team is going to make the playoffs easy. It can waste its time with Maldy catching 100 games as long as come playoff time we go with the big bat. 

All of this. I think if Maldy can catch 80-90 games next year that would be great. He is only making 4.5

Edited December 7, 2022 by LebongJames

[The Dog 43803]

I love Vasquez but Contreras is worth the money if that's where we want to spend it.

and this is stupid:

Jansen doesn't suck but he hasn't been the same since we broke him in 2017. We have better bullpen arms for less money.

The Astros are breaking everyone's brains and it's glorious.

[huge 3788]

17 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

juiced balls and we still threw a no-hitter. 

did you read the entire article?

[Wulaw Horn 18980]

4 minutes ago, The Dog said:

I love Vasquez but Contreras is worth the money if that's where we want to spend it.

and this is stupid:

Jansen doesn't suck but he hasn't been the same since we broke him in 2017. We have better bullpen arms for less money.

The Astros are breaking everyone's brains and it's glorious.

By “we have better bullpen arms” I think you are understating by a lot. We have like 5 better bullpen arms. At least. 

[HtownHorn 14486]

 

[TonyTexas 10482]

Move on to Nimmo in our pipe dreams. 

Edited December 7, 2022 by TonyTexas

[henrygandorf 29175]

9 minutes ago, huge said:

did you read the entire article?

prob not, what do it say?

[huge 3788]

Just now, henrygandorf said:

prob not, what do it say?

It's really long.  I got about half way through and lost interest.  I don't care anyway.  

We are going to have a really good team again next year and will be the betting favorite to win again.  Everything else is just noise.

[HtownHorn 14486]

7 minutes ago, TonyTexas said:

Move on to Nimmo in our pipe dreams. 

He's likely going to the Giants. They can get Nimmo and Haniger for less than Judge. It's amazing that the Yankees are spending $40M on a player that loses to the Astros when it matters the most.

[henrygandorf 29175]

 

6 minutes ago, huge said:

It's really long.  I got about half way through and lost interest.  I don't care anyway.  

We are going to have a really good team again next year and will be the betting favorite to win again.  Everything else is just noise.

middle finger emoji rep. 

Edited December 7, 2022 by henrygandorf