2023 Official Astros World Champs Offseason Thread

[texashorne 1194]

1 hour ago, runthebone said:

I recommend everyone prepare emotionally for Lee as the back up catcher to Maldonado.  It'll be less disappointing when it happens.

If Lee turns out to be worse than Maldy then you know Dusty will give him more starts. 

[Wulaw Horn 19598]

47 minutes ago, Mitch Hedberg said:

At this point I think that’s the prudent move.

Worst position to add at the deadline IMO due to continuity issues. Think you really saw that this year with Vasquez. 

[McFly 606]

I'm fine with another world series no-hitter

[Fudge Nuggets 19473]

On 12/20/2022 at 7:36 PM, Mitch Hedberg said:

 

Those dorks are trying way too hard to be "edgy" with their 2023 predictions.

[kevwun 16446]

It don't make a shit.

[The Dog 44862]

On 12/20/2022 at 7:36 PM, Mitch Hedberg said:

 

Here were their odds to win the WS before the 2022 season:

1. Dodgers 13.8%

2. Blue Jays 12.0%

3. Braves 11.7%

4. Astros 9.8%

5. Yankees 9.7%

[TonyTexas 10785]

The Astros are no worse than co-favorite to win the WS on just about all sports books. The favorite on most. And that’s saying something as those lines certainly aren’t getting any boost from the general public. 

[Scraps 13810]

I recommend everyone prepare emotionally for Lee as the back up catcher to Maldonado.  It'll be less disappointing when it happens.

Thats how it should have been from the start of the offseason anyway

[Mitch Hedberg 2117]

Conforto to Giants. Pretty much all the big free agents are gone. 

Edited December 23, 2022 by Mitch Hedberg

[TonyTexas 10785]

Bigger contract than expected  But the Giants were desperate  

 

Edited December 23, 2022 by TonyTexas

[texashorne 1194]

We're getting to the point that what we already have is better than what's left. The organization has confidence in Chas, Meyers, and Leon in the OF and Lee/Diaz at C. They got this right with Pena last season.. 

[runthebone 8380]

2 hours ago, Mitch Hedberg said:

Conforto to Giants. Pretty much all the big free agents are gone. 

Pending a physical, amiright?!!

[tx 3 putt 78736]

Giants are desperate and hoping for a wild card spot, we’re not 

[TonyTexas 10785]

Pretty good package for Arizona. Moreno is a young stud  

Edited December 23, 2022 by TonyTexas

[Wulaw Horn 19598]

16 minutes ago, TonyTexas said:

Pretty good package for Arizona. Moreno is a young stud  

I literally cannot believe the BJ’s made that trade, and that they were the ones adding the sweetener. 
Moreno is a top 5 prospect who actually already made it to the majors even if briefly. I would have though he could get an all star or near all star on a good contract plus a couple prospects. 
 

[Hank Chinaski 6363]

5 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said:

I literally cannot believe the BJ’s made that trade, and that they were the ones adding the sweetener. 
Moreno is a top 5 prospect who actually already made it to the majors even if briefly. I would have though he could get an all star or near all star on a good contract plus a couple prospects. 
 

Agreed. Varsho has a career .302 OBP and last season he outperformed his expected wOBA by a bit. I know he’s valuable defensively - I’m not suggesting he’s worthless or anything - but the Jays gave up a lot. 

[Wulaw Horn 19598]

25 minutes ago, Hank Chinaski said:

Agreed. Varsho has a career .302 OBP and last season he outperformed his expected wOBA by a bit. I know he’s valuable defensively - I’m not suggesting he’s worthless or anything - but the Jays gave up a lot. 

That’s the kind of package coming back in Moreno and Gurriel that, if they called me asking for Tucker I’d hold an all hands on deck meeting to figure out: 1) just how good is this catcher going to be, bc he’s on minimum wage for 3 years and then cheap for another 3 years and fills our hardest to fill hole in the lineup at Catxher with a potential all star type,

2) how far away the OFers are that we just drafted and how high are their upsides

3) is there any way we can sign Tucker to an extension- someone call his agent and see what the number would have to be to make him do it 

4) is there anything else we find to be a hole that we could ask for from Toronto. 
 

that’s a pretty monster package they sent out for a guy that’s sort of interesting as a curiosity more than as a guy that’s going to dominate for you. 
 

[Murfdogg21 4574]

And it was lil’ Guriel as the sweetener to Arizona. If all Toronto got back was Varsho, would they have accepted either Meyers or Chas plus some junk for Moreno? Another instance where we would benefit from a GM?

[Chuckie Finster 23095]

And it was lil’ Guriel as the sweetener to Arizona. If all Toronto got back was Varsho, would they have accepted either Meyers or Chas plus some junk for Moreno? Another instance where we would benefit from a GM?

Are you asking if we could have gotten the best catching prospect in baseball for Jake Meyers and some junk?

[kevwun 16446]

Getting them to throw in Gurriel was highway robbery.  Varsho has more pop, but Gurriel is a better hitter.  I don't know how they talked them in to that.  Moreno is only 22 and has a minor league career OPS of .844.

Edited December 23, 2022 by kevwun

[Wulaw Horn 19598]

5 minutes ago, kevwun said:

Getting them to throw in Gurriel was highway robbery.  Varsho has more pop, but Gurriel is a better hitter.  I don't know how they talked them in to that.  Moreno is only 22 and has a minor league career OPS of .844.

It’s shocking. I still can’t fathom it. 

[tx 3 putt 78736]

Dumb trade unless guerriel had burned his bridges 

[tx 3 putt 78736]

If I’m trading a catching prospect that highly thought of, I’m getting a very good young pitcher 

[runthebone 8380]

2 hours ago, Murfdogg21 said:

Another instance where we would benefit from a GM?

I think Toronto is the team that might benefit more.

[uoftorange 1391]

15 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

If I’m trading a catching prospect that highly thought of, I’m getting a very good young pitcher 

A proven at the MLB level young pitcher at that.  Hitting catchers that can field is the rarest thing in baseball

[UTPhil2006 3930]

Well if we don’t sign him, I’m sure the DBacks would sign Yuli for a year 

[Jshep34 2426]

Astros playback games have started on att sportsnet

[HtownHorn 15231]

Gurriel is a 2024 FA, and a salary dump even at only $5.4M. Let's be real about Lourdes, he had one good season and his power vanished, and is a below average OF with a strong arm, just like Alvarez. I get Montero is supposed to be good, but you always trade for MLB talent.

[HtownHorn 15231]

2 hours ago, UTPhil2006 said:

Well if we don’t sign him, I’m sure the DBacks would sign Yuli for a year 

To do what? Sit on the bench.

[Wulaw Horn 19598]

48 minutes ago, HtownHorn said:

Gurriel is a 2024 FA, and a salary dump even at only $5.4M. Let's be real about Lourdes, he had one good season and his power vanished, and is a below average OF with a strong arm, just like Alvarez. I get Montero is supposed to be good, but you always trade for MLB talent.

He has 2.2 WAR last year and 8 for his career of 5 years- that’s really more like 4 with COVID. 
5.8M ain’t a salary dump for a guy that’s a regular. 

[tx 3 putt 78736]

3 hours ago, Jshep34 said:

Astros playback games have started on att sportsnet
 

i hope they’re showing a game that dubon or niko hit second and some around here wanted to fire dusty and dfa half the roster 

Edited December 24, 2022 by tx 3 putt

[Fudge Nuggets 19473]

16 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

If I’m trading a catching prospect that highly thought of, I’m getting a very good young pitcher 

But I guess the qualifiers of "very good" and "young" may no longer apply.

Damnit.  This guy went from being the next sure thing badass to major disappointment.  But hey, he's still first ballot Arizona Fall League Hall of Famer material.

[TonyTexas 10785]

Correa’s entire free agent journey has been quite the shitshow 

 

[Reese Bennett 3664]

Carlos needs to come home for a year and prove himself once again. I'd take him as a utility infielder and occasional left fielder and DH.

[The Dog 44862]

"Carlos, how do you feel about playing center field for us?"

[The Dog 44862]

 

[IDIOTsavant 8690]

Give him 10/$275M and move Peña to center. If Bregman leaves in two years, slide him to third and bring Pena back to short.

Edited December 24, 2022 by IDIOTsavant

[Fudge Nuggets 19473]

If he’s broken enough for two teams to worry about his physical I don’t think 10 years would be the best idea.

[tx 3 putt 78736]

What a very very odd situation. Something or some dr is throwing up a red flag. I’ve never seen anything like this 

hope it works out for him 

Edited December 24, 2022 by tx 3 putt

[Scraps 13810]

Minnesota gives zero fucks...they would give him 10/285 or whatever they offered

[HtownHorn 15231]

If the Mets really back out, Correa will likely not make what the Astros offered him in his career. I am a little sad for Correa, because he was a great Astro that went all in on being the villain. Going to be interesting to see if these former Astros ever have the same level of team success. Springer, Correa, and now Verlander.

The Astros march on.

[tx 3 putt 78736]

The Astro Train stops for no one !

Edited December 24, 2022 by tx 3 putt

[WBT 20997]

I mean, if he has to keep signing short term deals he'll make higher AAV...as long as he stays healthy and keeps producing 

[Make em eat Taco Bell 1549]

what is the status of Maton, Mancini, and Will Smith? 

[Pimphand 6378]

I thought Maton was tendered a contract. The other two are still on the market. I'd be ok with brining Mancini back on a team friendly deal since he can give Abreu and Brantley/Alvarez days off.  Hopefully winning the World Series and his defensive wizard plays at First Base plus a full season of Spring Training will get his mind right.

[runthebone 8380]

My boys wanted Astros baseball cards, and in the pack was...Niko Goodrum.

 

The equivalent of a lump of coal.

[texashorne 1194]

1 hour ago, runthebone said:

My boys wanted Astros baseball cards, and in the pack was...Niko Goodrum.

 

The equivalent of a lump of coal.

My son got a pack of Astros baseball cards. Thanks for the heads up now I need to screen them like Halloween candy..

[Hank Chinaski 6363]

On 12/23/2022 at 10:50 PM, tx 3 putt said:

i hope they’re showing a game that dubon or niko hit second and some around here wanted to fire dusty and dfa half the roster 

Not gonna lie, I’d get legitimately angry all over again if I were watching. 

[Hank Chinaski 6363]

19 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

What a very very odd situation. Something or some dr is throwing up a red flag. I’ve never seen anything like this 

hope it works out for him 

It’s the reason that I thought the Astros offer to him last year was about right. I have no idea what is showing up in his physicals, but the dude had a variety of health issues - including back problems - in his early/mid-20s. That has to be a red flag.

I too hope it works out for him. And yes, I’d absolutely love it if we could somehow get him back on a short-term/high AAV deal. I doubt it, but would be great.

[Murfdogg21 4574]

I like Mancini and think he could eventually start dropping some into the Crawford boxes once he gets his groove back, while serving as the backup at 1B and OF.