2023 Official Astros World Champs Offseason Thread

[henrygandorf 29174]

4 hours ago, Js1 said:

Are you done wetting your pants about Bagwell? 

please.  our fans will be wetting their pants about dumb shit well into the regular season.

[rvm96 1643]

52 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

please.  our fans will be wetting their pants about dumb shit well into the regular season.

Like we need a new closer because Pressly isn't good enough

[Wulaw Horn 18968]

1 hour ago, rvm96 said:

Like we need a new closer because Pressly isn't good enough

Those are posts Oman year he was an all star. Imagine if he goes back to solidly above average instead. 

[Hank Chinaski 6310]

Goddamnit y’all, Dubon is gonna hit second one night and I’m gonna fuckin bitch about it in here, because it will be stupid no matter how many games the goddamn team wins.

That said, I’m proud of myself for not yet ranting about having a vacancy at GM for an entire goddamn offseason. It seems unnecessary and counterproductive, but I’ve obviously been holding it together and haven’t overreacted. (But for fucks sake it would be nice to, you know, have a real GM. Preferably a good one.)

[tx 3 putt 76296]

Radio guys were guys joking with dusty how little the fans had to complain about during the playoff run. They they brought up someone called about using Montero too long, in a shut out relief appearance, in a WS win 

[UTexasFight 9375]

3 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

Radio guys were guys joking with dusty how little the fans had to complain about during the playoff run. They they brought up someone called about using Montero too long, in a shut out relief appearance, in a WS win 

Well, he was playing with fire bringing montero out for a second inning the night after throwing an inning ….

 

 

thanks. I’ll hang up and listen 

[Dutchrudder 11113]

So after hearing the Yankees have several bad contracts that they want to pay another team to take on, I'm curious, what's the Astros current worst contract?  I can only think of 3 I would say are bad, but none that are a big liability.

[runthebone 7931]

Dubon could be paying us to play, and I would still consider that the worst contract.

[tx 3 putt 76296]

Hopefully Dubon hits second, game 2

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Dutchrudder said:

So after hearing the Yankees have several bad contracts that they want to pay another team to take on, I'm curious, what's the Astros current worst contract?  I can only think of 3 I would say are bad, but none that are a big liability.

yankees are right up against the next tier of payroll tax. They have zero room 

Edited January 24, 2023 by tx 3 putt

[henrygandorf 29174]

2 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

Radio guys were guys joking with dusty how little the fans had to complain about during the playoff run. They they brought up someone called about using Montero too long, in a shut out relief appearance, in a WS win 

uh, since 2017 there’s plenty to bitch about as a fan. 

[formermav43 4599]

3 hours ago, Dutchrudder said:

So after hearing the Yankees have several bad contracts that they want to pay another team to take on, I'm curious, what's the Astros current worst contract?  I can only think of 3 I would say are bad, but none that are a big liability.

I’d say Montero. Though given the insanity of the free agent market this year, it doesn’t look as bad now as it did when it was signed.

[Snake Diggity 4614]

6 hours ago, Dutchrudder said:

So after hearing the Yankees have several bad contracts that they want to pay another team to take on, I'm curious, what's the Astros current worst contract?  I can only think of 3 I would say are bad, but none that are a big liability.

The Astros don’t have any “bad” contracts.  They have paid market value for a few players recently: Abreu, Neris, Montero, Brantley, but those deals have either panned out in early returns or looked better as the free agent market evolved.  McCullers $85M contract is probably their highest risk deal but I still fully expect that deal to end up being good for Houston.

[texashorne 1177]

My only complaint was the lack of Stanek being used, and being worried other teams were seeing the other guys too much.

[Wulaw Horn 18968]

9 hours ago, Dutchrudder said:

So after hearing the Yankees have several bad contracts that they want to pay another team to take on, I'm curious, what's the Astros current worst contract?  I can only think of 3 I would say are bad, but none that are a big liability.

Maton being paid 2.5M or whatever it is when we should fire him into the sun is a terrible contract.

 
Dubon making more than $15.00 an hour is also a gross overpay. 

I’m afraid Brantley making 12M to likely be completely and totally washed is a terrible idea brought on by being a dickless wonder in FA after talking mad shit and firing your GM for being a pussy.  
I’d rather Maldy not be making 6M and they have used that money to pay Contreras 18M to fix the only real hole in the lineup (along with not signing the guys above and just rolling Minor Leaguers into the spot at 13th pitcher, 13th hitter and backup LF/DH), but the fact that every single one of those guys is in 1 year contracts and/or I’m the walk year of their deal shows just how well put together and special this team is. 
And this is me being pessimistic- all those guys might be just fine and not washed this year. Except Maton. He’s guaranteed to suck.

[Wulaw Horn 18968]

6 hours ago, formermav43 said:

I’d say Montero. Though given the insanity of the free agent market this year, it doesn’t look as bad now as it did when it was signed.

If minters pitches half as well as he did last year that contract is just fine from a value perspective. Where I lost my mind when it was inked was the fact that I was worried it would stop us from doing other stuff.  But the fact that we are fixing to leave 25M unspent, for the 2nd year in a row, tells me that it didn’t do anything of the kind so yeah to him coming back I guess?  

[HtownHorn 14468]

I think there is something to be said about making moves at the deadline. It gives a boost to the team morale, so that likely has something to do with the Astros saving some money.

2017 - Verlander and Liriano

2018 - Maldonado, Presley, and Osuna

2019 - Greinke, Sanchez, Biagini, and Maldonado

2021 - Graveman, Montero, and Garcia

2022 - Vazquez and Mancini

[Chuckie Finster 22598]

Kind of a random thought, but if Billy Wagner eventually makes the HOF then he would definitely enter wearing an Astros hat, right?

[Seasick Sailor 3747]

If you think the uproar about Dubon batting second is bad, just wait until Ausmus is named GM. Please let it be Brown. 

 

[Wulaw Horn 18968]

8 minutes ago, Seasick Sailor said:

If you think the uproar about Dubon batting second is bad, just wait until Ausmus is named GM. Please let it be Brown. 

 

Jose the Jesus is a shit stirring moron that's usually wrong about everything so I'm at a 50/50 between ignoring this as if I hadn't seen it or negging you for putting this nightmare fuel on this thread.  

Yeah, uh, that better not happen (the Ausmus shit) or I'm going to assume that Jim Crane has rocks for brains and just got lucky in making one inspired hire in Luhnow and other than that he's basically a clown.  

[Hank Chinaski 6310]

30 minutes ago, Seasick Sailor said:

If you think the uproar about Dubon batting second is bad, just wait until Ausmus is named GM. Please let it be Brown. 

 

I mean yeah, if Ausmus is named GM I’m going need y’all to organize safety checks on me around the clock for a while. I’d rather Dubon bat fucking leadoff 162 times this year than that.

[henrygandorf 29174]

if it was ausmus it would’ve happened weeks ago. 

[formermav43 4599]

2 hours ago, Seasick Sailor said:

If you think the uproar about Dubon batting second is bad, just wait until Ausmus is named GM. Please let it be Brown. 

 

Two sentences that directly contradict each other is quite a tweet.

[TonyTexas 10481]

We’ll soon see just how much influence Bagwell has. No doubt he’s strongly supporting his buddy even though that’s probably not the best choice. 
I’m not sure how much Crane cares about what the media and fans think with regards to baseball decisions but, if he does, and these last few days have been trial balloons, the answer is clear. 

[tx 3 putt 76296]

1 hour ago, henrygandorf said:

if it was ausmus it would’ve happened weeks ago. 

He’s holding out for more money and years ! 

asmus would be a disaster of a hire 

Edited January 24, 2023 by tx 3 putt

[Seasick Sailor 3747]

Edited January 24, 2023 by Seasick Sailor

[The Dog 43785]

 

[UTPhil2006 3790]

4 hours ago, Chuckie Finster said:

Kind of a random thought, but if Billy Wagner eventually makes the HOF then he would definitely enter wearing an Astros hat, right?

Almost assuredly I would think. And hopefully gets in next year 

[tx 3 putt 76296]

Baseball HoF voters need a huge reset, purge the voter rolls 

[formermav43 4599]

38 minutes ago, The Dog said:

 

[tx 3 putt 76296]

Hensley is taking the Diaz spot

who takes yuli’s spot ?

[tx 3 putt 76296]

52 minutes ago, The Dog said:

 

the thread meltdown alone, will be worth this signing 

[Wulaw Horn 18968]

30 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

Hensley is taking the Diaz spot

who takes yuli’s spot ?

Someone who makes 600k and not 6M. 
someone with a future (maybe) and not a past. Diaz or JJM I’d guess. 

[formermav43 4599]

For all the complaints about Dubón (and I don’t like him hitting 2nd either obviously), all the fangraphs projection models have him and Gurriel with nearly identical wRC+ next season. And Dubón can actually play defense, so even if he doesn’t hit, he has some value.

[Scraps 13538]

Hensley is taking the Diaz spot
who takes yuli’s spot ?

Uh Abreu.

Yuli's spot was starting 1b. Abreu took it. Move along.

You are trying to fill Mancini's spot not Yuli's

[tx 3 putt 76296]

Correct, mancini’s spot. We’re in a good place when the only spot to settle on is the last one on the bench. Tough spot to put a rookie

[Dutchrudder 11113]

I just don't understand what the market value of Yuli is at this point, given his age. Is there a team out there willing to give him a starting first base role and pay more than 5 million for 1 year?  If the Astros can keep him for 1 year ~5 million, I think that's fair. If he wants to go waste a year of his life on some bottom feeder team for 1-2 million more, then so be it. Even if he's just a backup at this point, it's nice to have a guy like him in the lockerroom. 

[mbtex 683]

I don't have a problem if they resign Yuli as a back up just for his post season experience and leadership.

[formermav43 4599]

Those are good arguments for keeping him around in an off the field role, not as a player.
 

He can’t hit anymore, he can only play one position, he put up negative WAR last year, and he’s over the hill. If that’s worth $5 million, everyone on this board should be lining up for a tryout to stand at first base once a week next season.

[Dutchrudder 11113]

Mancini just got 2 years up to 21 million from the Cubs, and we saw how good he was for half the year. 5 million is pretty cheap in today's market, I think it's a decent amount for a guy who is going to be an assistant coach for the most part, and it gets him some more cash. He's only earned 55 million in his 7 years of playing, since he was a bit of a late bloomer. 

[formermav43 4599]

This team doesn’t need that, though. That’s the 2017 Beltran role (ignoring how that played out). Even though he was washed, that was a young team that benefited from his presence.

This is the most experienced team in MLB. It’s full of leaders. There’s a greater need to bring in young guys to let the existing ones mold them than a(nother) player-coach.

Edited January 24, 2023 by formermav43

[Seasick Sailor 3747]

 

[formermav43 4599]

1 minute ago, Seasick Sailor said:

 

[Chuckie Finster 22598]

After weeks of silence, seems that someone opened the rumor faucet.

[runthebone 7931]

Fuck Brad Ausmus in the face.

[Ojo Rojo 1888]

Just curious, why the Ausmus hate?

[formermav43 4599]

3 minutes ago, Ojo Rojo said:

Just curious, why the Ausmus hate?

Because he was a mediocrity as a manager who, despite his education, seems to not value analytics (see how he issued intentional walks, for instance) and has no real front office experience. Basically he’s completely unqualified. And that’s before you throw in the Marisnick business.

[Snake Diggity 4614]

7 minutes ago, Ojo Rojo said:

Just curious, why the Ausmus hate?

No background/experience in scouting or player development.  He’s totally unqualified to be an MLB GM by todays standards and if he is hired it’s pure nepotism based on his relationship with Bagwell, who seems like he kind of sucks when it comes to influencing the owner to veer back towards the old-school (eventual) loser way of doing shit.

[tx 3 putt 76296]

no more moves until the trade deadline 

[texashorne 1177]

20 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

no more moves until the trade deadline 

No offseason is complete without discussing the possibility of Brad Hand joining the bullpen. 

[tx 3 putt 76296]

48 minutes ago, Ojo Rojo said:

Just curious, why the Ausmus hate?

twice failed manger:

he’s a bagwell / biggio bro, who very likely don’t see him as a twice failed manager.

Like bagwell, not the biggest fan of analytics. he played the game by going with ‘gut feeling’. Remember, bagwell criticized the Astros front office for being overly focused on analytics, ‘the game is played by humans !’ The same front office that just won the WS, with domination. And that continues to feed the machine with talent 
 

asshat has said, in the past he didn’t fully understand the information available from data / analytics. But his ‘gut’ doesn’t overwhelm him with info ? 
 

he’s a huge douche 
 

 

Edited January 24, 2023 by tx 3 putt