[OFFICIAL DOOM THREAD]Today Democracy Dies

[Fastbreak 3,985]

It was a good run.  It's been coming for awhile, but today will be the official end.

I'm glad I don't have kids, I feel sorry for those of you who do.

[CTC2 2,797]

We are probably further along that path than we probably can perceive, but yes, the gasoline gets poured on it today. 

Edited November 8, 2022 by CTC2

[elfenix 34,243]

We're not a democracy we're a constitutional republic

[Burt 4,080]

You don't think we'll thrive as a country under a Senator Walker and a Speaker of the House Greene?

[CTC2 2,797]

7 minutes ago, Burt said:

You don't think we'll thrive as a country under a Senator Walker and a Speaker of the House Greene?

And President McCarthy after they convict Biden and Harris at the same time.  

[tx 3 putt 76,965]

democracy takes a hit, but is still standing

but women, they are very, very fucked. blows me away any female that would vote R

poor people, very very fucked. all social services will be on the cutting board

[Nice Guy Eddie 13,512]

I’ve long known that job 1 for most politicians is to stay in power but the concept is that you do a good job with priorities 2-100 and the public sends you back. But now we have candidates who are realizing that their side doesn’t care about winning the most votes just finding a way to win.

the only solace that I will take from a gop victory today is that it will lead to fewer votes cast for trump in ‘24. Those in power still may find a way for trump to win regardless but that is our country now.

the GOP’s only value now is winning. Morals, decency and democracy are all out the window.

Edited November 8, 2022 by Nice Guy Eddie

[956 Worldwide 34,715]

We’re going to elect a bunch of fascists and authoritarian sycophants today simply so that 40 percent of the country can express their anger with the other 60 for their own failed lives. 
 

 

[tx 3 putt 76,965]

a strong Dem showing, heavily favors trump in 24. if the R's take the house or senate, they're going to take things too far and hurt trump's 2024 chances.

in texas, i fully expect women having to submit pregnancy tests to leave the state or some type of tracking of menstrual cycles. it's going to be dark, dark days

[atomheartbevo 89,675]

 

[Voldemort86 2,259]

[Incredulity 11,675]

Good God.  Get a fucking grip on yourselves.

Y’all can be very thankful that you failed at nuking the filibuster.  I look forward to the next few years of it becoming one of our most sacred legislative mechanisms.

[Bullneck 19,097]

Maybe we beat them by 8 million votes.

I think there's going to be shitshows around the US (I'm looking at you Arizona) but today is Blue Wave Day.  You heard it here first.

[hookem2010 2,624]

'Tis the season to further strain family relationships right before the holidays!

[Neonmoon 38,129]

Democracy died on January 10, 2010

We’re in the decay period 

[Mole 4,333]

Today won’t end with a Senator Walker. That one’s going to a runoff.

[MeerkatBong 115]

Lots of overreacting before the final votes are even cast let alone counted. The same people had more faith in UT vs Bama when UT was a dog by 20 points, but can’t muster any faith when a dog by 1 or 2 points today. 

[Goredho 17,406]

6 hours ago, Fastbreak said:

It was a good run.  It's been coming for awhile, but today will be the official end.

I'm glad I don't have kids, I feel sorry for those of you who do.

That’s the spirit!

[Lechuza 31]

As the old saying goes, you reap what you sow. 

[Humble Beast 258]

1 hour ago, Incredulity said:

Good God.  Get a fucking grip on yourselves.

Y’all can be very thankful that you failed at nuking the filibuster.  I look forward to the next few years of it becoming one of our most sacred legislative mechanisms.

It’s pathetic. 
 

If you lose, democracy is dying. Give me a break.
 

Also, democracy dies when Hispanics continue slowly moving away from your party. 

[SubliminalHorn 6,797]

7 minutes ago, Humble Beast said:

It’s pathetic. 
 

If you lose, democracy is dying. Give me a break.
 

Also, democracy dies when Hispanics continue slowly moving away from your party. 

I guess you haven’t been paying attention to who’s running for key positions in states that will decide whether or not they certify the next presidential election? It’s not about just “my” side losing, it’s whether or not our votes mean anything in two years. But keep sticking your head in the sand

[Horn Under a Bad Sign 20,400]

4 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

a strong Dem showing, heavily favors trump in 24. if the R's take the house or senate, they're going to take things too far and hurt trump's 2024 chances.

in texas, i fully expect women having to submit pregnancy tests to leave the state or some type of tracking of menstrual cycles. it's going to be dark, dark days

I have a feeling that Trump himself will hurt his chances. Trump fatigue is real and growing. I WANT him to be their nominee because 1)  he will tear the party apart in getting it 2) if he doesn't get it he will tear the party apart 3) he was unelectable in 2020 and fewer people want him now than then  4) a Democrat team of (dreaming) say Buttigieg and Katie Porter would offer a stunning alternative

[TexArcher 37,777]

6 hours ago, elfenix said:

We're not a democracy we're a constitutional republic

We're an oligarchy masquerading as a constitutional republic.

[hpslugga 4,061]

https://truthout.org/articles/chomsky-midterms-could-determine-whether-us-joins-ominous-global-fascist-wave/?amp

Spoiler

Q: There are hundreds of candidates across a variety of races who denied the outcome of the 2020 election results. How important is Trump’s role in the midterms, and is it safe to say that GOP leaders have lost complete control of the base?

A: GOP leaders began to lose control of the base, and even the party management, in 2016, when, to their shock and dismay, they were swept aside by the Trump crusade. By now they have either succumbed, often slavishly, or have been expelled, apart from a few relics who are hanging on in silence. By now it’s Trump’s party. He has managed, skillfully, to maintain a voting base that he is undermining at every turn along with dedicated service to the traditional Republican constituency of extreme wealth and corporate power.

Denialism is one sign of the breakdown of the social order, and is an element of the undermining of democratic forms. It is rampant among the GOP voting base, and among those running for election, amounting to “A majority of Republican nominees on the ballot this November for the House, Senate and key statewide offices,” according to The Washington Post.

“The implications will be lasting,” the Postanalysis continues. The deniers will “hold enormous sway over the choice of the nation’s next speaker, who in turn could preside over the House in a future contested presidential election” and the winners of state elections “will hold some measure of power overseeing American elections.” Every careful analysis has shown that the charges of election fraud are utterly groundless, but alienation and desperation are so extreme that facts don’t matter: “the movement arising from Trump’s thwarted plot to overturn the 2020 election is, in many respects, even stronger two years later. Far from repudiating candidates who embrace Trump’s false fraud claims, GOP primary voters have empowered them.”

“It is a disease that is spreading through our political process, and its implications are very profound,” political scientist Larry Jacobs observed: “This is no longer about Donald Trump. This is about the entire electoral system and what constitutes legitimate elections. All of that is now up in the air.” No exaggeration.

Again, the phenomenon is not limited to the U.S. Brazil is an extreme example, despite its having perhaps the world’s most efficient and secure voting system. Bolsonaro’s pre-election campaign to discredit the results if he did not win even reached the point of his calling in foreign ambassadors to berate them on the matter. Scholarship has shown that more generally, GOP denialism “bears alarming similarities to authoritarian movements in other countries, which often begin with efforts to delegitimize elections. Many of those promoting the stolen-election narrative, they said, know that it is false and are using it to gain power.”

Q: There is a huge divide among Democrats over many issues, but there seems to be a consensus among them, at least as reflected on the campaign message, that if the Republicans take power the U.S. could backslide into outright authoritarianism, if not turned into a semi-fascist polity. How likely is this message to resonate with the average American voter, and why do Democrats keep losing the rural vote?

A: It’s primarily in the rural areas that people “more and more feel like a stranger in my own country.” Understandably. Apart from ongoing demographic and cultural changes, neoliberal globalization has hit these areas hard. Their small industries have collapsed. Farmers have been edged out by subsidized agribusiness. Stores are closing. Young people are leaving. Though in the federal system they are supported by the more educated and prosperous urban society they resent, perception is different. As the Democrats have steadily become a party of affluent professionals and Wall Street donors, they have abandoned rural America along with the working class. In these sectors warnings of democratic decline and rights of minorities have little resonance, if any.

The consensus on the drift toward a semi-fascist polity may turn out to be accurate, dooming the world to a bitter fate. It has not been inevitable. Many hands have contributed.

It is not inevitable now, but time is short.

 

[TexArcher 37,777]

12 minutes ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

I have a feeling that Trump himself will hurt his chances. Trump fatigue is real and growing. I WANT him to be their nominee because 1)  he will tear the party apart in getting it 2) if he doesn't get it he will tear the party apart 3) he was unelectable in 2020 and fewer people want him now than then  4) a Democrat team of (dreaming) say Buttigieg and Katie Porter would offer a stunning alternative

If there were any hope of a straight election where everyone has equal access to polling places and every vote gets counted, I'd agree with all of this.

But the GOP is going to win the White House in 2024, probably by a good margin.  And if it looks like it will even be close, they're going to steal it.  They've been building the infrastructure to steal it for years. 

I'd love to be wrong, but I guess we'll see. 

[Snake Diggity 4,625]

Senator McMullin, Demings, Franken, Beasley, Ryan, and/or Barnes: things are clearly moving in the right direction.

Senator Walker, Oz, Laxalt, and/or Masters: last one out turn out the lights.  It’s over.

I think it ends up 50-50 again.  Fetterman having that stroke was a fucking brutal blow.

[Guest]

40 minutes ago, Humble Beast said:

It’s pathetic. 
 

If you lose, democracy is dying. Give me a break.
 

Bro, that was literally the platform of the Republican party for the past two years. They lost, so democracy was stolen.

[Hefeweizen 5,324]

I’m here for the melt down.  I’m resigned to the fact that we’re headed for a real split once Biden gets impeached for the fifteenth time over Hunters schlong.  
 

President Greene will make CrossFit the National religion and make fitness great again.

 

 Elon Musk will assume control of Amazon, Walmart, and all the railroads and move all their headquarters to Austin.  
 

Costco will become the last place Libs are allowed to shop (Amazon becomes Magazon) but they have to wear their yellow L visibly.

 

 Anyway as you can tell the stimulation writers are losing interest.  

[Beantown Express 2.0 6,559]

I still struggle to grasp a world where Walker is a US Senator.  I long for the good old days where Republicans put forth strong candidates like Sonny Bono and Gopher from the Love Boat.

Edited November 8, 2022 by Beantown Express 2.0

[Mo Horn 8,843]

13 minutes ago, Snake Diggity said:

Fetterman having that stroke was a fucking brutal blow.

That and RBG dying when she did is proof that either there is no God, or the Christian Right is correct. I'll go with the former. 

[Voldemort86 2,259]

Still think this country has massive problems if masters, Walker, or Oz win.  Those guys have no business being US senators.

[Voldemort86 2,259]

3 minutes ago, Mo Horn said:

That and RBG dying when she did is proof that either there is no God, or the Christian Right is correct. I'll go with the former. 

Dems snake bit it seems. Don’t forget cunningham in North Carolina. Guy would’ve crushed it had he kept his pants on and we would be favored to keep the senate today.

I have most likely senate outcome as 50-50 with dems losing Georgia in run off, but next closest scenario is 51-49 gop. That NC seat would’ve really come in handy today.

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11,669]

I think trumps 2020 loss wasn’t just trump fatigue, but the icy hand of death.  4 years of olds that voted for him in 2016 had died off, replaced by four years of yoots.  We get that again here for 2024.  
 

if you can get a decent candidate (I see zero, so this is a big if) he’ll get substantially out voted.  As texarcher says, I hope it matters. 

[MonkeyDoughnut 10,239]

2 minutes ago, Voldemort86 said:

Still think this country has massive problems if masters, Walker, or Oz win.  Those guys have no business being US senators.

I think the mere fact they are candidates shows that we do.

[jimmyjazz 45,960]

54 minutes ago, Humble Beast said:

It’s pathetic. 
 

If you lose, democracy is dying. Give me a break.

Do you think people who vote D in the 2024 Presidential election should have their votes count?

[Humble Beast 258]

17 minutes ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

I have a feeling that Trump himself will hurt his chances. Trump fatigue is real and growing. I WANT him to be their nominee because 1)  he will tear the party apart in getting it 2) if he doesn't get it he will tear the party apart 3) he was unelectable in 2020 and fewer people want him now than then  4) a Democrat team of (dreaming) say Buttigieg and Katie Porter would offer a stunning alternative

Buttigieg has zero chance because not enough black people will vote for a gay white man.  

 

20 minutes ago, SubliminalHorn said:

I guess you haven’t been paying attention to who’s running for key positions in states that will decide whether or not they certify the next presidential election? It’s not about just “my” side losing, it’s whether or not our votes mean anything in two years. But keep sticking your head in the sand

The Dems have run on abortion and January 6th/democracy dying. It appears that it’s not going to be convincing enough versus economic concerns, inflation/gas prices, increased crime, and immigration. This may be an opportunity for introspection. 

[SubliminalHorn 6,797]

1 minute ago, Humble Beast said:

Buttigieg has zero chance because not enough black people will vote for a gay white man.  

 

The Dems have run on abortion and January 6th/democracy dying. It appears that it’s not going to be convincing enough versus economic concerns, inflation/gas prices, increased crime, and immigration. This may be an opportunity for introspection. 

If you want to argue that democrats are terrible at messaging then yeah, they absolutely are. But if you don’t think that we are on the precipice of some truly dark days for our republic with election deniers on the cusp of taking over key positions, then you are just not paying attention. Or you don’t care because you’ve bought into the crime and immigration bogeyman

[Mo Horn 8,843]

13 minutes ago, Voldemort86 said:

Still think this country has massive problems if masters, Walker, or Oz win.  Those guys have no business being US senators.

Understatement of the day

[StassneyHorn 6,577]

Jesus Christ what a cringeworthy thread

[956 Worldwide 34,715]

1 hour ago, Humble Beast said:

It’s pathetic. 
 

If you lose, democracy is dying. Give me a break.
 

Also, democracy dies when Hispanics continue slowly moving away from your party. 

There is one party that has openly said “vote for us and if we win we will make sure we never lose again.” 

[956 Worldwide 34,715]

1 hour ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

I have a feeling that Trump himself will hurt his chances. Trump fatigue is real and growing. I WANT him to be their nominee because 1)  he will tear the party apart in getting it 2) if he doesn't get it he will tear the party apart 3) he was unelectable in 2020 and fewer people want him now than then  4) a Democrat team of (dreaming) say Buttigieg and Katie Porter would offer a stunning alternative

It’s very difficult to over emphasize how having DJT a part of our national conversation at all is toxic to the country and democracy. In some ways he’s even worse when he doesn’t win but is still at the center of things.

[MNLonghornFUKM 8,817]

Still think this country has massive problems if masters, Walker, or Oz win.  Those guys have no business being US senators.

How unbiased of you to not include Fetterman in your post.

[SubliminalHorn 6,797]

Just now, MNLonghornFUKM said:

How unbiased of you to not include Fetterman in your post.

Why? 

[MNLonghornFUKM 8,817]

Why? 

Do you think he’s mentally fit for US senator?


Of course you do.

[jimmyjazz 45,960]

1 minute ago, MNLonghornFUKM said:

How unbiased of you to not include Fetterman in your post.

Why should he be unbiased?

[aggie08 21,504]

Just now, MNLonghornFUKM said:

Do you think he’s mentally fit for US senator?


Of course you do.

He's no Tommy Tuberville, I'll give him that.

[MNLonghornFUKM 8,817]

Why should he be unbiased?

Because it’s not illegal to say both sides have their share of shitty candidates…but in todays political world it apparently is.

[Captainant 27,676]

16 minutes ago, SubliminalHorn said:

Or you don’t care because you’ve bought into the crime and immigration bogeyman

He's not bought into the boogeyman, he's fucking selling that boogeyman lol. 2020 police brutality threads shoulda told ya 

[SubliminalHorn 6,797]

2 minutes ago, MNLonghornFUKM said:

Because it’s not illegal to say both sides have their share of shitty candidates…but in todays political world it apparently is.

Why is he a shitty candidate? 

3 minutes ago, Captainant said:

He's not bought into the boogeyman, he's fucking selling that boogeyman lol. 2020 police brutality threads shoulda told ya 

Thankfully I’ve missed his posts

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11,669]

1 minute ago, MNLonghornFUKM said:

Because it’s not illegal to say both sides have their share of shitty candidates…but in todays political world it apparently is.

because retards like you will jump on it for perceived advantage.  imma go ahead and guess which side you always vote for despite "both sides having their share of shitty candidates."  

one side has trump, oz, johnson, walker, tuberville, lake, all of whom are in something in the range of ignorant to power hungry opportunist to fascist.  one side has a guy that had a medical condition.  see!  both sides!