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1 hour ago, wildcat09 said:

I don't think you even know what you're trying to say here.

First of all, I’m not celebrating anything. But these cries of “democracy and women and people of color is/are dead” are just silly. They don’t sound silly given the very clear slant of this forum. I think it’s pathetic Dems couldn’t get shit together enough to stave off a fucking Trump storm. The entire state of our political system is so irreparably fucked I’m not sure what to say. Full circle, democracy is dead, y’all are right, and it’s a shame Dalton Pistolshot wasn’t elected. 

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11 minutes ago, Pancho said:

Wait, why didn’t Dems invest in Tim Ryan’s race? I never could find that anywhere…

Because the national brand sucks there. He’s his own brand and was able to separate from the national party 

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4 hours ago, Born to Run said:

Good luck with. I can't even turn my own mother, despite years of effort. Voted straight R (excepting Paxton)

She supports.
Pro choice up to 21 months and for rape
Ar15s banned or restricted
Big fan of Obama care After she got fired and had to get her own insurance
Pro Medicare expansion.
Loves that socialist Social Security.

"What do you like about Republicans?"

Response?

"They let you think for yourself."

Fuck me.

Good with a 21 month abortion?

Damn.
Are you an elephant, super mega ultra Jewish, or were that much of a shit head in your terrible 2’s?

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Quite the moral fucking victory when losing the House means losing democracy.

I mean, when focusing on the short term survival of a functional American electoral system in 2024 and 2026, holding the governorship and SOS positions in PA, MI, WI, and AZ(which looks like a possibility, if not the most likely outcome tonight), is more important than holding the House this cycle.
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1 minute ago, gmr548 said:


I mean, when focusing on the short term survival of a functional American electoral system in 2024 and 2026, holding the governorship and SOS positions in PA, MI, WI, and AZ(which looks like a possibility, if not the most likely outcome tonight), is more important than holding the House this cycle.

I don't know about MORE important, but helpful for sure.

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Just now, YChang said:

I’m glad you’re pleased but gloating? 

oh, not at all, sorry if it came across that way. I mean i gave up on Texas and fled. i admit it. 😒🤘💔

no...i was just really, really down coming into today, so i'm def feeling better. 

also, my sister is actually visiting, heading back to Austin tomorrow... and the difference in her demeanor vs mine is kind of heartbreaking 💔

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1 minute ago, mchookem said:

oh, not at all, sorry if it came across that way. I mean i gave up on Texas and fled. i admit it. 😒🤘💔

no...i was just really, really down coming into today, so i'm def feeling better. 

also, my sister is actually visiting, heading back to Austin tomorrow... and the difference in her demeanor vs mine is kind of heartbreaking 💔

Gotcha gotcha. Sorry I shouldn’t have assumed!

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Yeah not much dooming going on around these parts. Texas is what Texas is. They need a "Texas Democrat" who is a Texan through and through who actually wants to help people in rural Texas to win. The D is getting the city vote now they need to take back some of the rural vote and gain a bit of the moderate R vote in cities. 

Talked to a girl last night at a kids birthday party who couldn't vote for beto even though she hated Abbott because he was too extreme and while abbott sucks he isn't viewed as an extreme outcome for her. 

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20 minutes ago, immamac said:

Yeah not much dooming going on around these parts. Texas is what Texas is. They need a "Texas Democrat" who is a Texan through and through who actually wants to help people in rural Texas to win. The D is getting the city vote now they need to take back some of the rural vote and gain a bit of the moderate R vote in cities. 

Talked to a girl last night at a kids birthday party who couldn't vote for beto even though she hated Abbott because he was too extreme and while abbott sucks he isn't viewed as an extreme outcome for her. 

Sadly I think there is common ground but I don’t see how dems can convince Texas republicans. I for one love guns and hate children dying. That’s loaded with common ground. I think our asylum system is broken but don’t think shipping immigrants to NYC is ok yet Texas shouldn’t be ground zero for a hemispheric humanitarian crisis. I think queer people should be allowed to exist and thrive and if you want to pray at the flag pole I’m all in for your rights.  I think abortion is a medical decision not a government mandate yet I would prefer there be no elective abortions. I think government should provide basic services well and even moreso to the poor.  Middle ground everywhere. But too many see progressives as enemies not reasonable people wanting everyone to have a seat at the table for our thanksgiving dinner.

dems don’t help themselves with crap candidates - Beto included the guy never went hard into the paint while Abbott dunked all over him the whole time.

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Sadly I think there is common ground but I don’t see how dems can convince Texas republicans. I for one love guns and hate children dying. That’s loaded with common ground. I think our asylum system is broken but don’t think shipping immigrants to NYC is ok yet Texas shouldn’t be ground zero for a hemispheric humanitarian crisis. I think queer people should be allowed to exist and thrive and if you want to pray at the flag pole I’m all in for your rights. But too many see progressives as enemies not reasonable people wanting everyone to have a seat at the table for our thanksgiving dinner.

McConaughey stomps Abbott. Find a person who's Texas as fuck. 

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13 minutes ago, immamac said:

Yeah not much dooming going on around these parts. Texas is what Texas is. They need a "Texas Democrat" who is a Texan through and through who actually wants to help people in rural Texas to win. The D is getting the city vote now they need to take back some of the rural vote and gain a bit of the moderate R vote in cities. 

Talked to a girl last night at a kids birthday party who couldn't vote for beto even though she hated Abbott because he was too extreme and while abbott sucks he isn't viewed as an extreme outcome for her. 

Beto is a horrible candidate for Texas races. The moment he said “hell yes, I’m taking your AR-15” he was done forever in this state. That kind of shit rallies democrats, who are far outnumbered in rural counties and the suburbs, and does nothing but alienate the rural populace further. 
 

Beto lost Uvalde. Beto. Lost. Uvalde. Republicans are good at finding “enemies of the people” for rural voters to hate and the Dems keep running out the easiest person to paint as an enemy. What Dems fail to understand about Texas rural and suburban voters is that they are so united over a common enemy that they could have almost an entire grade wiped out by a shooter in their school and still not vote for the guy who is pushing for gun control. 
 

What the Dem party needs is a candidate with rural roots who knows how to navigate the blue collars, the evangelicals, and the ag industry. Throwing out the same city boy who can’t read the rural room will never work. 

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3 minutes ago, immamac said:

McConaughey stomps Abbott. Find a person who's Texas as fuck. 

Hooray, more celebrity will certainly lead us out of the desert!

 

6 minutes ago, troph said:

But too many see progressives as enemies not reasonable people wanting everyone to have a seat at the table for our thanksgiving dinner.

The problem is that the modern conservative movement demonizes empathy, as it cuts against the fundamentally hierarchical world view of conservatism

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Sadly I think there is common ground but I don’t see how dems can convince Texas republicans. I for one love guns and hate children dying. That’s loaded with common ground. I think our asylum system is broken but don’t think shipping immigrants to NYC is ok yet Texas shouldn’t be ground zero for a hemispheric humanitarian crisis. I think queer people should be allowed to exist and thrive and if you want to pray at the flag pole I’m all in for your rights. But too many see progressives as enemies not reasonable people wanting everyone to have a seat at the table for our thanksgiving dinner.

A democrat with Beto’s charisma and not adversarial with Texans over their guns could take Texas.  Rightly or wrongly, Beto’s hardline stance on guns will keep him from ever being the guy.  There are too many soundbites that evoke a visceral reaction in potential voters who love guns.

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3 minutes ago, Eastwood said:

Beto is a horrible candidate for Texas races. The moment he said “hell yes, I’m taking your AR-15” he was done forever in this state. That kind of shit rallies democrats, who are far outnumbered in rural counties and the suburbs, and does nothing but alienate the rural populace further. 
 

Beto lost Uvalde. Beto. Lost. Uvalde. Republicans are good at finding “enemies of the people” for rural voters to hate and the Dems keep running out the easiest person to paint as an enemy. What Dems fail to understand about Texas rural and suburban voters is that they are so united over a common enemy that they could have almost an entire grade wiped out by a shooter in their school and still not vote for the guy who is pushing for gun control. 
 

What the Dem party needs is a candidate with rural roots who knows how to navigate the blue collars, the evangelicals, and the ag industry. Throwing out the same city boy who can’t read the rural room will never work. 

There is no magic dem candidate for Texas. There is zero statewide dem party that is worth a damn. That and the electorate fucking blows. This is the government Texans favor by a huge margin. Welcome to TX where any miscarriage can be prosecuted as a felony and you can be personally sued by a nosy neighbor. 

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12 minutes ago, Pig Bellmont said:

There is no magic dem candidate for Texas. There is zero statewide dem party that is worth a damn. That and the electorate fucking blows. This is the government Texans favor by a huge margin. Welcome to TX where any miscarriage can be prosecuted as a felony and you can be personally sued by a nosy neighbor. 

The problem here is that it can be, but never is. 

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11 minutes ago, Pig Bellmont said:

There is no magic dem candidate for Texas. There is zero statewide dem party that is worth a damn. That and the electorate fucking blows. This is the government Texans favor by a huge margin. Welcome to TX where any miscarriage can be prosecuted as a felony and you can be personally sued by a nosy neighbor. 

Well they can forget about any thoughts and prayers from me while their teenager is being shot at school whilst being rape impregnated. I'm a bit agnostic anyway.

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52 minutes ago, immamac said:

Yeah not much dooming going on around these parts. Texas is what Texas is. They need a "Texas Democrat" who is a Texan through and through who actually wants to help people in rural Texas to win. The D is getting the city vote now they need to take back some of the rural vote and gain a bit of the moderate R vote in cities. 

I don't know how the most Texan of Texas Democrats can overcome an 80+ point deficit in rural counties.  Seems like a complete waste of money.  The only play is to wait out these counties to die off enough that gerrymandering doesn't work any longer.  So, maybe 100 years from now, there's a chance.

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6 minutes ago, CooterBrown said:

I don't know how the most Texan of Texas Democrats can overcome an 80+ point deficit in rural counties.  Seems like a complete waste of money.  The only play is to wait out these counties to die off enough that gerrymandering doesn't work any longer.  So, maybe 100 years from now, there's a chance.

This is just flat out incorrect. A Texas Democrat can. A Nationally aligned Democrat cannot. 

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Texas Dems clawed back their losses with Hispanics some (Gonzalez and Cuellar winning in South Texas), but the rurals are just lost.  There's no way to cut into them.  And they continue to swamp the urban vote.

The only way to get it going here is to continue the bluing of the suburbs and exurbs, but unfortunately, Abbott and Co. are going to follow the DeSantis playbook and turn Texas into a sanctuary state for unhappy GOPers from blue states looking to get away. 

And on the flip side, doing that is going to run off Texas Democrats into more blue/purple states, turning them bluer/purpler (purple-er?)

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3 minutes ago, MonkeyDoughnut said:

FIFY.

Texas is ripe for Democrats right now, the state party is just poorly run and needs to be cleaned out.

yeah, Texas doesn't want Republican extremism - Texas is a state full of independent moderates who have been begging for a "Fuck Y'all We're Texas" style candidate for a long time. You think Ann Richards was a nationally aligned democrat? We need a strong leader with strong vision and strong ties to Texas. 

Greg Abbott term 1 was actually pretty good, when he got all MAGA and went full send on the grift is when he lost me. 

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59 minutes ago, troph said:

I think our asylum system is broken but don’t think shipping immigrants to NYC is ok yet Texas shouldn’t be ground zero for a hemispheric humanitarian crisis

texas gets money from the feds to deal with it.  they never seem to mention that.  because of that money, texas has a lot of government and NGO operations set up just to deal with it.  new york doesn't, which is why shipping people to random places on the east coast is terrible. 

and it doesn't matter how many people the admin rounds up (probably in violation of the law + treaties), or how many tons of drugs get busted, it will only make abbott et alii more shrill about it. 

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6 minutes ago, MonkeyDoughnut said:

FIFY.

Texas is ripe for Democrats right now, the state party is just poorly run and needs to be cleaned out.

Oh 100%

Texas Dem Party is run about as well as the aggy football team.

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7 minutes ago, immamac said:

You think Ann Richards was a nationally aligned democrat? We need a strong leader with strong vision and strong ties to Texas.

You think Ann Richards could get elected in Texas today? She was pro-AWB (bye bye AR-15), cared about women's health, and wanted to empower teachers! She's the boogeyman that our very fine friends in DT rage about

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58 minutes ago, Goredho said:

A democrat with Beto’s charisma and not adversarial with Texans over their guns could take Texas.  Rightly or wrongly, Beto’s hardline stance on guns will keep him from ever being the guy.  There are too many soundbites that evoke a visceral reaction in potential voters who love guns.

what about a good looking tranny who loves guns, trucks, Texas Our Texas, has a dog's dog that loves to wallow in the mud, a beer drinking, football watching Texan who hates Jerry Jones, loves Ray Wylie Hubbard and Billy Joe Shaver, loves TPWD and thinks they are doing the Lord's work, who loves kayaking down the river and catches redfish on a fly rod but won't look down at the spinners.  probably a hell no, but asking for a friend anyway.

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6 minutes ago, troph said:

what about a good looking tranny who loves guns, trucks, Texas Our Texas, has a dog's dog that loves to wallow in the mud, a beer drinking, football watching Texan who hates Jerry Jones, loves Ray Wylie Hubbard and Billy Joe Shaver, loves TPWD and thinks they are doing the Lord's work, who loves kayaking down the river and catches redfish on a fly rod but won't look down at the spinners.  probably a hell no, but asking for a friend anyway.

How good looking are we talking here?

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FIFY.
Texas is ripe for Democrats right now, the state party is just poorly run and needs to be cleaned out.

I’m not sure I agree completely at this point, but that wasn’t my point. This state is too big and expensive to be won without national funding/support. Any winning candidate, and certainly any lasting party infrastructure, is going to get national money involved.
yeah, Texas doesn't want Republican extremism

I don’t know how people still believe this. The electorate of this state has made it very clear that this is exactly what it wants. Ken Paxton and Dan Patrick ran in line with Abbott. Noted moderate Sid Miller ran ahead of all three against a qualified opponent. Statewide judicial races, RRC, etc… all non competitive despite the electorate being very familiar with what Republican extremism looks like.

Weren’t you also touting Biden’s imminent, suburban-fueled victory in TX two years ago? At what point do we learn the lesson when this state is telling everyone who will listen what it is?
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1 hour ago, Eastwood said:

Beto is a horrible candidate for Texas races. The moment he said “hell yes, I’m taking your AR-15” he was done forever in this state. That kind of shit rallies democrats, who are far outnumbered in rural counties and the suburbs, and does nothing but alienate the rural populace further. 
 

Beto lost Uvalde. Beto. Lost. Uvalde. Republicans are good at finding “enemies of the people” for rural voters to hate and the Dems keep running out the easiest person to paint as an enemy. What Dems fail to understand about Texas rural and suburban voters is that they are so united over a common enemy that they could have almost an entire grade wiped out by a shooter in their school and still not vote for the guy who is pushing for gun control. 
 

What the Dem party needs is a candidate with rural roots who knows how to navigate the blue collars, the evangelicals, and the ag industry. Throwing out the same city boy who can’t read the rural room will never work. 

I'm not saying I disagree with you.  But Texans valuing guns more than children's lives or frankly anything else is part of the insanity that we all view as normal.   

The concept that you can't say anything negative about guns because it will rally the R's causes me to think the populace gets what it deserves. 

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