Big 12 Basketball '22-'23 (fuck Baylor)

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4 minutes ago, BigOrange1 said:

No I didn't move the goalpost.  The trend I was discussing was barely doing shit in March, which was listed by another poster.  The last 10 years seem pretty realistic/ relevant in that vein of trends.

Edited February 22, 2023 by slorch

[Hookem2147 21209]

If it was up to the media, Tom Herman would be our head football coach, Casey Thompson would be the hall of honor for most hours ever spent watching film and we would have forfeited our matchup against Alabama last year because it was such a mismatch.

I could give a rats ass what the media thinks of our decisions.

[BigOrange1 6436]

1 hour ago, slorch said:

No I didn't move the goalpost.  The trend I was discussing was barely doing shit in March, which was listed by another poster.  The last 10 years seem pretty realistic/ relevant in that vein of trends.

nope, the trend you were replying to was in regards to barely squeaking into the tournament.  

[jimmyjazz 45899]

@slorch is succumbing to his inability to read.  I don't think I've seen one Texas fan on these boards say "Rodney Terry should not be made the permanent coach regardless of results going forward".  I mean, zero.

What most are saying is that there is likely some high bar where he really can't be denied -- maybe Final Four, maybe Elite Eight for some -- but beyond that he is just not worth the risk.

slorch'd, with the usual amount of disingenous bullshit.

[Js1 85311]

3 hours ago, Js1 said:

I, for one, think we should emulate Tech and hope to squeak into the NCAAs next year by keeping Terry. 

 

1 hour ago, slorch said:

No I didn't move the goalpost.  The trend I was discussing was barely doing shit in March, which was listed by another poster.  The last 10 years seem pretty realistic/ relevant in that vein of trends.

Not at all what I said, you moron. It was squeaking into the tournament year 2 after making the Sweet 16 with the previous guy’s culture and most of his roster 

[Brian Fantana 6685]

1 hour ago, Js1 said:

 

Not at all what I said, you moron. It was squeaking into the tournament year 2 after making the Sweet 16 with the previous guy’s culture and most of his roster 

I'm here for another good slorching though

[Brian Fantana 6685]

The only reason I'd advocate for Terry is, at least in my assessment, there isn't really a good, realistic splash hire out there like the ones CDC likes to make. At least not ones that would be able to build on the cultural foundation Beard was starting to realize.

[Js1 85311]

28 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

 

I give zero shits. If y’all think Terry is so great, you hire him

[Pato del Muerto 52489]

Maybe Louisville will hire him. Can only go up from this season. 
 

Louisville is also proof that history and active boosters aren’t enough of the wrong guy is coaching them. 

Edited February 23, 2023 by Pato del Muerto

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2 hours ago, BigOrange1 said:

nope, the trend you were replying to was in regards to barely squeaking into the tournament.  

 

1 hour ago, Js1 said:

 

Not at all what I said, you moron. It was squeaking into the tournament year 2 after making the Sweet 16 with the previous guy’s culture and most of his roster 

Yep.  You must have been alluding to Texas' outstanding finishes and how hiring Terry would somehow change that.

You can take shot s all you want, and it makes not a fucking difference.

Y'all still won't stick with the dude because he's not zippy enough.  The Tech situation is not even remotely comparable, but that's why you use it.

 

Excuses.  Weak ass excuses. Chase the sizzle hire and let the guy who is doing a great job go.   LOLz.

[UTEE97 3518]

If Terry does well enough this year and there aren't any good options out there, it's possible CDC gives him a 3 year contract with a small buyout. It's not like CDC has to fight off other big time programs and Terry would love to be our HC even if it means for a shorter-term contact and less than the market pay. It will still be better than he could get elsewhere. LSU and Orgeron were in the same situation when they first hired him, and it worked out for them. Do well next year and you get the extension and the raise.

 

Edit: Our rivals hated the Beard hire and they would love for us to hire Terry. That should tell us all we need to know.

Edited February 23, 2023 by UTEE97

[CTC2 2796]

1 minute ago, UTEE97 said:

If Terry does well enough this year and there aren't any good options out there, it's possible CDC gives him a 3 year contract with a small buyout. It's not like CDC has to fight off other big time programs and Terry would love to be our HC even if it means for a shorter-term contact and less than the market pay. It will still be better than he could get elsewhere. LSU and Orgeron were in the same situation when they first hired him, and it worked out for them. Do well next year and you get the extension and the raise.

Sounds like you are trying to talk yourself into it. 

[Brian Fantana 6685]

34 minutes ago, Js1 said:

I give zero shits. If y’all think Terry is so great, you hire him

Nah I agree with you, it's not the right hire. If he makes a FF run it's going to be hard to avoid, though.

[shadow_operative 15932]

7 of the top 22 in kenpom come from the big xii. insane league.

 

[UTEE97 3518]

52 minutes ago, CTC2 said:

Sounds like you are trying to talk yourself into it. 

I would be ok with the above scenario. I am just worried about giving him a long-term contract because of his past coaching history. Statistics don't lie over the long term, but you can have anomalies (i.e., 1 great season) in a short time period.

[MuellerHorn 4229]

5 hours ago, slorch said:

Now do the wins in the past 10 years.

or just celebrate high seeds...

I'm not making fun of the past, I'm just a bit surprised that Terry's automatically a no-go for some UT fans, regardless of results.  Outcome be -damned, we want some sizzle!!!

I do not understand how people still conflate legitimate concerns regarding Terry as the CEO of a program into his results from part of this season. They are disparate arguments.

Yes, Terry should get a ton of credit for the success delivered this season - which is not over, by the way. It is yet to be seen how far this team makes it. However, RT did not build this roster, has not experienced a long-term upward trajectory of excellence at either stop he served as a head coach, does not have anywhere near the background of a usual candidate being considered for the head coach position at Texas, and does not fit the criteria Del Conte normally seeks in head coach candidates.

It's analogous to CEO candidates in the business world. Just because you were successful at one company or in industry does not mean you automatically will be in another environment. They are very unique individuals who thrive, and are qualified, to lead a restructuring or corporate turnaround versus someone who knows how to lead a promising start-up during the high-growth phase.

TL;DR: You can't just assume that RT is the best option to lead this program five-plus years into the future simply based on this team's on-court performance. There are myriad other factors to consider.   

[MuellerHorn 4229]

7 hours ago, CheesePie said:

If Terry is able to retain our recruiting class and keep Morris & Hunter around for another year, he should be considered. It’s likely this roster falls to ashes next season with a new coach. 

I disagree with this. A top-tier candidate should be able to convince some key pieces to stay. Additionally, they'll have sway with their own current recruiting class to ask out of their NIL and change schools, potentially keep some of our current recruits, and should be able to work the transfer portal.

I do agree that next year's roster might look very difficult, but that doesn't automatically mean that the roster won't be talented overall.

[MuellerHorn 4229]

2 hours ago, slorch said:

Excuses.  Weak ass excuses. Chase the sizzle hire and let the guy who is doing a great job go.   LOLz.

Again, there is a lot more to running a program than stepping into a fantastic roster and not tanking the season.

As has been said, RT should receive serious consideration with a long tournament run. However, I do not believe that invalidates any other concerns about whether he has the experience to sustain this program long term. 

[MuellerHorn 4229]

8 minutes ago, MuellerHorn said:

I disagree with this. A top-tier candidate should be able to convince some key pieces to stay. Additionally, they'll have sway with their own current recruiting class to ask out of their NIL and change schools, potentially keep some of our current recruits, and should be able to work the transfer portal.

I do agree that next year's roster might look very different, but that doesn't automatically mean that the roster won't be talented overall.

My bad. And I should have multi-quoted all of these responses. Sorry for the individual posts.

[Herpa Derpa 6125]

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Do some homework on the Tech squad

No.

No one here gives a shit about Grandmama Addams. You're the only one that spends all his time on another school's board begging for attention.

[Brian Fantana 6685]

Uh oh somebody didn't get their juice box

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23 hours ago, Herpa Derpa said:

No.

No one here gives a shit about Grandmama Addams. You're the only one that spends all his time on another school's board begging for attention.

 

[dogbreath 434]

It just seems simpler for some to not open up a thread on the B12 and read the content.

This topic will die in a year or two and then one can not open the ncaa basketball thread.  

 

Edited February 24, 2023 by dogbreath
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[ztejas 43418]

On 2/22/2023 at 7:49 PM, shadow_operative said:

7 of the top 22 in kenpom come from the big xii. insane league.

 

Decent all B12. Not sure K St gets 2 players. Carr should be a lock as the Texas entry. 

[Js1 85311]

Texas @ Baylor is the premier game of the day tomorrow. 

OU @ ISU 11am - OU can just fuck with seeding for their opponents now with some upsets
TCU @ Tech - Tech wants in, TCU wants to stay in 6th place to avoid playing on day 1 of the Big 12 tournament
KSU @ OSU - OSU, same as TCU, can avoid playing on day 1 of the Big 12 tournament. KSU hasn't been eliminated from title contention yet and staying ahead of Baylor keeps them away from the #1 seed in the conference tournament 
WV @ KU - WV wants in and KU wants to basically lock up a Big 12 title (at least a share) by sweeping their 2 home games left

KU 11-4
Texas 11-4
KSU 9-6
Baylor 9-6
ISU 8-7
TCU 7-8
OSU 7-8
TTU 5-10
WV 5-10
OU 3-12

Edited February 24, 2023 by Js1

[76Jayhawk 44]

On 2/22/2023 at 8:00 AM, Al_4_ISU said:

I didn't realize we were still mathematically alive yesterday.

Technically you are not. KU and UT would have to lose out. But since they play each other in the last game, ISU is eliminated.

[Js1 85311]

11 minutes ago, 76Jayhawk said:

Technically you are not. KU and UT would have to lose out. But since they play each other in the last game, ISU is eliminated.

They were until Texas beat them, actually. Whoops 

Edited February 24, 2023 by Js1

[jimmyjazz 45899]

2 minutes ago, Js1 said:

ISU can still share the title if one of KU/UT loses out and ISU wins out, since ISU can’t pick up another loss to either team. A shared regular season title is still a title for both teams. Since you went with a technicality 

???  I haven't had my full gallon of coffee yet, but the winner of KU/UT will have (at a minimum) 12 wins in conference.  ISU can only get to 11 wins.  Seems like they're out.

[Js1 85311]

2 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

???  I haven't had my full gallon of coffee yet, but the winner of KU/UT will have (at a minimum) 12 wins in conference.  ISU can only get to 11 wins.  Seems like they're out.

I could have sworn. Maybe not.  But I think until Saturday, they’re still in it. Or else we knocked them out on Tuesday 

Edited February 24, 2023 by Js1

[ztejas 43418]

Fanciful scenarios aside there's basically a 0% chance of it being anything besides Texas or Kansas or a split.

K State and/or Baylor would need to win out, have Kansas drop one at home, Texas lose against both Baylor and TCU and then Texas beat Kansas. 

(Texas and Kansas both winning tomorrow would end it for everyone else)

Edited February 24, 2023 by ztejas

[Al_4_ISU 12457]

17 minutes ago, 76Jayhawk said:

Technically you are not. KU and UT would have to lose out. But since they play each other in the last game, ISU is eliminated.

That's more in line with my understanding.

[jimmyjazz 45899]

I've had more coffee, and I still think it's pretty clear -- either KU or UT (or both) will have at least 12 wins.  ISU can't have more than 11 wins.  They're out.

[JWinTX 53]

Games at Baylor and at TCU, before hosting KU at home is just brutal. Compare that with KU getting WVU and Tech at the Phog before coming down here. Its hard to see a tie for the title without some major surprises.

[UTEE97 3518]

25 minutes ago, JWinTX said:

Games at Baylor and at TCU, before hosting KU at home is just brutal. Compare that with KU getting WVU and Tech at the Phog before coming down here. Its hard to see a tie for the title without some major surprises.

O ye of little faith: I have given you Rice so you may eat.

[ztejas 43418]

1 hour ago, JWinTX said:

Games at Baylor and at TCU, before hosting KU at home is just brutal. Compare that with KU getting WVU and Tech at the Phog before coming down here. Its hard to see a tie for the title without some major surprises.

[JWinTX 53]

1 minute ago, ztejas said:

How's SMU doing?

[ztejas 43418]

20 minutes ago, JWinTX said:

How's SMU doing?

I'll let you know after Texas wins the B12. 

[Rickylovesweed 14293]

1 hour ago, JWinTX said:

Games at Baylor and at TCU, before hosting KU at home is just brutal. Compare that with KU getting WVU and Tech at the Phog before coming down here. Its hard to see a tie for the title without some major surprises.

Just need to go 1-1 on the road and there will be major juice in Moody against Kansas. 

Kansas also isn't spectacular on the road/neutral court. They're 10-4 and have lost most their games against ranked teams away from home. 

Edited February 24, 2023 by Rickylovesweed

[KingBobo81 535]

PAC 12....yikes.

[Js1 85311]

SEC…it doesn’t mean much? 

[shadow_operative2.0 15966]

Two fucking posts, bot. 

[UTEE97 3518]

6 hours ago, ztejas said:

I'll let you know after Texas wins the B12. 

 

 

[MuellerHorn 4229]

5 hours ago, KingBobo81 said:

PAC 12....yikes.

That’s definitely helped by Texas not playing in a 16,500 seat arena anymore. 

[Brian Fantana 6685]

Some big games today, should be fun

[Js1 85311]

ISU up 5 on OU at half in Ames

TCU up 9 on Tech in Lubbock

[BluTechsan 393]

Miles back from injury and the refs handing out “attaboys” and “welcome back” on every possession

 

officiating talk not going away

[Pato del Muerto 52489]

18 minutes ago, BluTechsan said:

Miles back from injury and the refs handing out “attaboys” and “welcome back” on every possession

 

officiating talk not going away

5 fouls on tcu already this half. Tech should be able to shoot a ton of fts. 
 

6 now. 

Edited February 25, 2023 by Pato del Muerto

[Js1 85311]

OU stormed back and is up 10 now after being down 5 at half

Here comes Tech

[Al_4_ISU 12457]

Jesus.  We might not make the Dance if we lose out.

[Stringer 1438]

This Tech/TCU game is great.