Big 12 Basketball '22-'23 (fuck Baylor)

[Js1 85610]

3 minutes ago, ATXbronco said:

Anyone know what the bible verse was that got all this started?

Just kind of wondering if it was truly a stupid thing to say.  Or if it was just an overly-sensitive kid that he quoted it to.

I hate that people are losing jobs these days for saying barely (or borderline) insensitive stuff.   

Just bc you think it’s insensitive doesn’t mean it was to them.  Calling someone over-sensitive is such an asshole move.

[Horn Dogg 3977]

3 minutes ago, ATXbronco said:

Anyone know what the bible verse was that got all this started?

Just kind of wondering if it was truly a stupid thing to say.  Or if it was just an overly-sensitive kid that he quoted it to.

I hate that people are losing jobs these days for saying barely (or borderline) insensitive stuff.   

It was some verse that made a reference to a slave serving his master.  If there are any religious folks on Surly (LOL) they might know which one.

[Pato del Muerto 52621]

1 hour ago, UTEE97 said:

I don't know man. I say, let's follow the money trail. Are you going to tell me Randi Trew made $5M from her closet organizing business?

Randi is a coach. We know that tech doesn’t pay coaches.  So probably not. 

[harpercollins 394]

It was some verse that made a reference to a slave serving his master.  If there are any religious folks on Surly (LOL) they might know which one.

Ephesians 6 and Colossians 3 are the most famous ones, absolutely nothing to do with race-based chattel slavery but that didn’t stop slaveowners from co-opting it.

Absolutely no idea how it would apply in a basketball motivational speech.

Edit: Colossians 3:23 commands the reader, “whatever you do, work at it with all your heart, as working for the lord, not for men, since you know that you will receive an inheritance from the lord as a reward.” so maybe some type of “don’t do it for me, do it for the hardware” type of speech? Stupid and a big stretch if so.

[Evil Bill Obrien 3300]

1 hour ago, TrashMaster G said:

Oh, noes! He's been banished!

Some would say being banished from Lubbock is probably the best thing that can happen to a man…

[CurlyDumps 4485]

4 hours ago, Al_4_ISU said:

N word?

Nincompoop?

[Newdoc 3453]

5 minutes ago, harpercollins said:

Ephesians 6 and Colossians 3 are the most famous ones, absolutely nothing to do with race-based chattel slavery but that didn’t stop slaveowners from co-opting it.

Yeah, if you read those in context it means to work humbly wherever you find yourself bc you should be serving as a child of God and not man. (Slavery at that time was indentured work usually because of debt or poor socioeconomic class.) So the instruction is to be a good worker/player/etc even if your boss/manager/coach is a big butt hole.

Tech looking for a way out of Adams contract.

[Satchel 6949]

Wonder what Scripture Adams quoted when leaving his long time wife for his brother’s widow? Allegedly.

[Pato del Muerto 52621]

5 minutes ago, Satchel said:

Wonder what Scripture Adams quoted when leaving his long time wife for his brother’s widow? Allegedly.

James 2:15-17 Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food. If one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it? In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.

[Js1 85610]

Jalen Wilson, POY (unanimous)

DeJuan Harris, DPOY

Keyonte George, FOY 

Keyontae Johnson, Newcomer of the Year (unanimous)

Sir’Jabari Rice, Sixth Man of the Year

KJ Adams, Most Improved Player 

Jerome Tang, COY

[Satchel 6949]

4 hours ago, UTEE97 said:

Are they setting the stage for rehiring Beard? You mean to tell me Tech boosters didn't pay Trew off to get him fired from Texas?

Lol, God, no. Just because Tech’s money men are from West Texas doesn’t mean they don’t have egos. They’re more likely to tell Beard  to kiss the pink part of their asses than offer him a job.

[Beau Vine 54468]

3 hours ago, 'stache said:

He’s in trouble for quoting gross bible verses, fucking your dead brothers wife is biblical as hell.

 

4 hours ago, Al_4_ISU said:

I agree, but I wasn’t sure if that was confirmed for real or not

Wait, what's this again?

[Beau Vine 54468]

1 hour ago, ATXbronco said:

Anyone know what the bible verse was that got all this started?

Just kind of wondering if it was truly a stupid thing to say.  Or if it was just an overly-sensitive kid that he quoted it to.

I hate that people are losing jobs these days for saying barely (or borderline) insensitive stuff.   

Cancel culture is running amok!

[Rockwell Torrey 1302]

“Blessed are the cheese makers.” 

Edited March 5, 2023 by Rockwell Torrey

[SL Xpress 7518]

Mark Adams should probably have his own thread.

He's accused of spitting on a player, but he claims he had a dogged cough.

He says the bible verse he quoted was about Jesus referring to the master-servant role, not the master-slave role. The slave part was an interpretation from the player, allegedly. He had a chance to apologize to the team, but instead explained his side of things, insisting that he didn't apologize. #boldstrategycotton

It would be helpful for him if he had some strong advocates on the team willing to vouch for him in powerful ways. Because otherwise it looks like he's lost this team. Whatever his intent was, he's going to be judged by the perception of the people on the other side of the equation. Especially when he has someone who wasn't spit on claiming he said, "I can spit on you whenever I want to," which honestly doesn't even seem like something a reasonable person would say. Which makes me think it's made up to make him look worse. 

[HookEm 2468]

3 hours ago, slorch said:

It's funny to say, but if anyone thinks this might be plausible, they completely ignored the circumstances of Beard's departure from Tech.  He will never fucking work there again.  

I know some moderate / high boosters of Tech basketball who would disagree with you. I’m just going to say the door isn’t completely closed.

[HookEm 2468]

Also I heard the verse was Galatians 3:28. Not sure though.

There is no longer Jew or Greek, there is no longer slave or free, there is no longer male and female; for all of you are one in Christ Jesus

[ATXbronco 4102]

2 hours ago, Js1 said:

Just bc you think it’s insensitive doesn’t mean it was to them.  Calling someone over-sensitive is such an asshole move.

You seem overly sensitive.

[DeadArmadillo 907]

Everything surrounding this saga regarding Beard’s departure, to Mark Adams being hired and his amazing first season, to now both of them being canned before the end of their 2nd season for absurd behavior- is completely crazy. 
Texas Tech’s list of coaches, hoe they got the job and how they departed, is whackier than any program out there over the last 30 years or so. From rampant cheating to hiring a disgraced legend to leaving in the middle of the season for nepotism to another former national championship coach who ends up being a short timer to a rampant player abuser to hiring a guy who held his previous job for 19 days to losing him to the big instate school after becoming one of the most popular coaches on campus ever to watching that coach get fired for felony domestic violence to watching the assistant do amazing his first year, and then implode his second and then get fired for spitting on a player and quoting the Bible about master slave relationships (not exact, but he’s getting fired for sure). 
What a fucking whirlwind. 

Yes. In a nutshell. A big nutshell without punctuation

[Al_4_ISU 12504]

53 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

 

Wait, what's this again?

There’s an allegation that Adams tried to fuck his brother’s wife a week after the brother died.

Kinda like Frank Reynolds in that episode of Sunny when they give him an intervention 

[BrazilHorn 6636]

This is 100% TT looking for a way to get rid of their HC.

Will be fun seeing that litigated. Why in the fuck in 2023 at a public university Stevens thought he should quote a bible verse to his players is just silly.

Maybe he is looking to get fired, go back to being a bench coach.

[Js1 85610]

Just now, Al_4_ISU said:

There’s an allegation that Adams tried to fuck his brother’s wife a week after the brother died.

Kinda like Frank Reynolds in that episode of Sunny when they give him an intervention 

Tried? Pretty sure it was a long affair and they eloped after the brother died, and Mark divorced his wife. 

[DeadArmadillo 907]

Wait, what's this again?

I’m surprised this hasn’t received more attention

Coach Mark Adams was a fraternal twin. His twin brother passed a few years ago. Mark Adams himself divorced his wife of over 30 years about the same time. Mark Adams and his twin’s widow began a relationship not long after those events. Allegedly, the two wed in Hawaii when Tech was playing in a tournament there in December.

Yes. Really. Look it up

[ChickenSandwich 9855]

You have to be pretty fucked in the head to bang your brothers wife/and or widow. 
 

Edited March 6, 2023 by ChickenSandwich

[Satchel 6949]

3 minutes ago, ChickenSandwich said:

You have to be pretty fucked in the head to bang your brothers wife/and or widow. 

Not if you can exegete relevant pericopae.

[Brian Fantana 6692]

1 minute ago, longhornmatt said:

Considering both of our schools just got burned before the end of year 2 by coaches from the Bob Knight tree being huge assholes (imagine that!), maybe that’s not such a positive on the old resume.

I'm not sure he really counts as being in the Knight tree. He was at Tech before Knight was hired and didn't actually coach under him.

[ChickenSandwich 9855]

5 minutes ago, Satchel said:

Not if you can exegete relevant pericopae.

[Steel Shank 9432]

2 hours ago, Js1 said:

Calling someone over-sensitive is such an asshole move.

Kinda over reacting a bit, wouldn't you say?

@ATXbronco You got it!

Edited March 6, 2023 by Steel Shank

[DeadArmadillo 907]

Considering both of our schools just got burned before the end of year 2 by coaches from the Bob Knight tree being huge assholes (imagine that!), maybe that’s not such a positive on the old resume.

McCasland was actually a staffer for James Dickey. Left Texas Tech when Dickey was canned in 2001 and before Knight was hired, though that might not be any better

[Helobious 9467]

2 hours ago, ATXbronco said:

 

I hate that people are losing jobs these days for saying barely (or borderline) insensitive stuff.   

I notice it tends to happen more to people who aren’t well-liked or who are bad at what they do. Adams checks both boxes.

[Js1 85610]

2 minutes ago, Steel Shank said:

Kinda over reacting a bit, wouldn't you say?

Immediately going with “over sensitive kid” is the go-to for the “CANCEL CULTURE!!!” crowd to defend the party who did something wrong. 

Adams said something dumb, insensitive and outright inappropriate. He should know better. He is in trouble for it.  

[Steel Shank 9432]

1 minute ago, Js1 said:

Immediately going with “over sensitive kid” is the go-to for the “CANCEL CULTURE!!!” crowd to defend the party who did something wrong. 

Adams said something dumb, insensitive and outright inappropriate. He should know better. He is in trouble for it.  

I was joking.

[Js1 85610]

2 minutes ago, Steel Shank said:

I was joking.

Are you implying I’m sensitive??

[SL Xpress 7518]

6 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Immediately going with “over sensitive kid” is the go-to for the “CANCEL CULTURE!!!” crowd to defend the party who did something wrong. 

Adams said something dumb, insensitive and outright inappropriate. He should know better. He is in trouble for it.  

Maybe. He's probably quoted that verse thousands of times in his life when talking to players, employees, and even children and never had anyone take exception to it. Doesn't mean it was okay for him to say it, but there's plenty of reason to question whether he should have known better. 

Doesn't matter. He claims he said master-servant, but even that has the word master, which has all kinds of connotations. The player says he referenced a master slave relationship. Whether Adams did or not, that accusation carries a different kind of weight to it. 

Edited March 6, 2023 by SL Xpress

[Steel Shank 9432]

3 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Are you implying I’m sensitive??

I think you're just right!  /Mr. Rogers voice

[Nueces River Rat 5548]

8 hours ago, Evil Bill Obrien said:

Wonder how fast Tceh hits the sovereign immunity button when it comes to settling up with Adams after they fire him? 

Paging Craig James…..

[HtownHorn 14788]

10-2 to 16-15 will get you fired a year after the S16 if you quote the Bible.

[Brian Fantana 6692]

2 hours ago, SL Xpress said:

Maybe. He's probably quoted that verse thousands of times in his life when talking to players, employees, and even children and never had anyone take exception to it. Doesn't mean it was okay for him to say it, but there's plenty of reason to question whether he should have known better. 

Doesn't matter. He claims he said master-servant, but even that has the word master, which has all kinds of connotations. The player says he referenced a master slave relationship. Whether Adams did or not, that accusation carries a different kind of weight to it. 

It's just a really tone deaf thing to do when you're at a public institution, coaching young black men, and a multi-faith team on top of that.

[SL Xpress 7518]

2 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

It's just a really tone deaf thing to do when you're at a public institution, coaching young black men, and a multi-faith team on top of that.

Oh, there's no question. And he's going to be fired. 

I'm just saying there's an assumption he should have known better, when his life experiences may not have prepared him to know better. 

I've met plenty of people over the course of my life that said and did things that were completely tone deaf because nobody had called them into account for it before. Many times getting into heated arguments if I pointed it out. "That's not what I meant!"

Of course, then there's the people who know exactly what they're saying and doing, but I don't think that's the case here. Scott Adams saying he's going to only live only around white people, for example. 

All this is assuming he used the phrase master-servant, and not master-slave. If he actually said master-slave, then he absolutely should have known better. If he used slave in any context, he should have known better. 

IMO, his biggest problem is that he completely lost the team, so players aren't willing to give him the benefit of the doubt any more. He has to go. Plain and simple. 

I like the North Texas coach, McCasland, as a hire, btw. 

[Ignatius 4037]

3 hours ago, ChickenSandwich said:

You have to be pretty fucked in the head to bang your brothers wife/and or widow. 
 

God commands it:

“If brothers dwell together, and one of them dies and has no son, the wife of the dead man shall not be married outside the family to a stranger. Her husband's brother shall go in to her and take her as his wife and perform the duty of a husband's brother to her” - Deuteronomy  25:5

 

[Wulaw Horn 19153]

5 hours ago, Js1 said:

Just bc you think it’s insensitive doesn’t mean it was to them.  Calling someone over-sensitive is such an asshole move.

I mean, it’s a reasonable question.  There is such a thing as an eggshell plaintiff, it’s a law concept you learn like the first week of law school. It’s the entire purpose behind a reasonable person standard and it exists in all walks of life and all places in the world. It’s literally impossible to know, without knowing what was said, whether it was reasonable to be offended or not. He didn’t call him overly sensitive he posited that it might be the case he was and wanted context. Tech has proven themselves at the admin level to be cheap ass shit birds (see Leach, Mike) when trying to fire a coach so who knows. 

[CurlyDumps 4485]

15 hours ago, ATXbronco said:

Anyone know what the bible verse was that got all this started?
 

I heard he tried to quote Jules from Pulp Fiction, but his blaccent was so bad the players thought he was just doing "generic black preacher." 

[twosheds 374]

“Blessed are the cheese makers.” 

Not literally though. It refers to any manufacturers of dairy products

[Al_4_ISU 12504]

Playing Baylor twice in 5 days is going to be weird as hell.  It's tough to beat the same team 3 times, but sometimes there are just bad matchups and it doesn't matter (like if we have to play WVU or the Pokes again).

This year's tournament seems even more wide open than usual.

Edited March 6, 2023 by Al_4_ISU

[Lymanward 55]

The scripture by Woody Allen:

 

One. . . And the Lord made an bet with Satan to test Job’s loyalty and the Lord, for no apparent reason to Job, smote him on the head and again on the ear and pushed him into an thick sauce so as to make Job sticky and vile and then He slew a 10th part of Job’s kine and Job calleth out: “Why doth thou slay my kine? Kine are hard to come by. And Job’s wife saw this she wept and the Lord sent an angel of mercy who anointed her head with a polo mallet and of the 10 plagues, the Lord sent one through six, inclusive, and Job was sore and his wife angry and she rent her garment and then raised the rent but refused to paint.

 

[ztejas 43548]

52 minutes ago, Al_4_ISU said:

This year's tournament seems even more wide open than usual.

Especially because Texas and KU don't have much to play for past the first game. A W there for each team probably locks KU to #1 overall and Texas to a 2 seed. 

[Lymanward 55]

These guys are not just coaches anymore. They are CEO's of multi-million dollar enterprises. Some are never going to figure that out it seems. 

[Al_4_ISU 12504]

4 minutes ago, ztejas said:

Especially because Texas and KU don't have much to play for past the first game. A W there for each team probably locks KU to #1 overall and Texas to a 2 seed. 

Agreed, but KU wasn't playing for any seeding last year either.  I feel like OK State and WVU have the most to gain.  I think they're both in, and suspect they can improve their seeding with a good run that takes a scalp or two.

The way we were limping prior Saturday, I think that winning it would move us up a seed, but then again in 2019 we won the tourney after going 9-9 and it didn't change much.

['stache 21892]

25 minutes ago, Al_4_ISU said:

Agreed, but KU wasn't playing for any seeding last year either.  I feel like OK State and WVU have the most to gain.  I think they're both in, and suspect they can improve their seeding with a good run that takes a scalp or two.

The way we were limping prior Saturday, I think that winning it would move us up a seed, but then again in 2019 we won the tourney after going 9-9 and it didn't change much.

We're not in at this point. We need to at least beat OU, but as you said above, beating a team three times is hard, and OU has shown they can play sometimes including just a few days ago. I don't see us winning and a loss will seal our NIT bid. If we win, we at least need to be competitive with UT. Another blowout and I don't see us getting in even after beating OU, especially if some mid-major upsets or bubble teams making a conference run eat into at large bids.

[JWinTX 53]

1 hour ago, Al_4_ISU said:

Agreed, but KU wasn't playing for any seeding last year either.  I feel like OK State and WVU have the most to gain.  I think they're both in, and suspect they can improve their seeding with a good run that takes a scalp or two.

The way we were limping prior Saturday, I think that winning it would move us up a seed, but then again in 2019 we won the tourney after going 9-9 and it didn't change much.

I'm still convinced that ISU will make their run in KC and win the thing. Too many times that this has happened--and you guys have the home court advantage as the entire T-Mobile Center and P&L District turns red and gold. Looks like a McDonald's Seminar gone wild...