This Thanksgiving and Christmas, hold your lie believing misinformation MAGA Relatives accountable!

[horn4life 3753]

One of the things I noticed about Covid was the greater isolation into silos of folks who they surrounded themselves with.   I remember as I am sure you do, that this whole Covid thing was going to disappear as soon as Biden was elected.  No shit, my BIL said these exact words.  The scary thing?  I have no doubt he believed this bullshit, in large part because there were no contrarian (actually factual) persons to balance the misinformation they WANTED to believe.  And that's the key thing, the desire to believe something that is not true, and then cling to that lie no matter what.  Because to turn back to truth, would make them look exactly like the dingbat idiots they are.

The isolation of Covid allowed this stupidity to breed and be affirmed again and again.  Its as fucking dumb as Obama was Lazy because the played golf, but Trump was not lazy playing 5 times the golf and bilking the taxpayers to boot!  Or Obama who went to church every week for years was not a Christian, but the porn star fucking 4 times a decade church attendee was a Christian.  These are lies that Republicans told themselves and reinforced over and over. 

The GOP has become a party where honestly the best campaign is a campaign of lies.  Think back to the tea party wave of 2010, that brought in the initial round of republican loons.  The big GOP issue that year.  Obama's health care plan would have.... wait for it.... "Death Panels" where the government would decide who would be given care.  A lie out of whole cloth, and it worked.  They tried the same thing this year with another big round of mis and disinformation.  Honestly it would have worked again, but for the pesky fact some folks are actually patriots and love Democracy.

Now let me be clear here.  I almost never start talking politics.  Inevitably some Republican relative says something that is completely factually inaccurate, and I feel compelled to respond now.  Because to not respond, is to tacitly pretend that their bullshit has some validity.  Will my strategy piss some folks off in the holidays?  Most certainly, but again, I will not be the one bringing this up, but I will respond with FACTUAL information.   We have come too close to having our way of life destroyed due to the GOP embrace of lies and misinformation and a dominant political strategy.  When you believe lies, you can believe anything, like a guy that lost by millions upon millions of votes actually won.   

I think most of your Republican relatives will keep their mouths shut about politics, but many will not.  And if you are a true patriot it's your duty to point out lies, and try to save our Republic.  

Edited November 11, 2022 by horn4life

[aggie08 21379]

Counterpoint: they're beyond saving.

[Beau Vine 53964]

Somewhere on texags, some aggy just made the exact same post, only 180 degrees inverted.

[YGIFS 19449]

I ain’t saying shit.  My cousin who hosts and went down the Q/MAGA rabbit hole blames Mexicans for everything even though our moms are From Mexico.  But she makes delicious side dishes.  
 

my in laws have been bred to hate everything brown, gay, or pro choice.  As irony would have it, they have a gay nephew.  And their son in laws are Vietnamese, Black, and Hispanic.  But they are otherwise incredibly kind people.  To me anyway.  Which is weird.  Cause I’m brown.  And hate Trump.  Maybe it’s my personality ?  Nope. 

[aggie08 21379]

2 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

Somewhere on texags, some aggy just made the exact same post, only 180 degrees inverted.

100% correct. They want to live in their reality where all liberals are lazy freeloaders who want to put the country under authoritarian rule with fraudulent elections and forced inoculations, abort newborns, and perform gender reassignment surgeries on preschoolers. 

Any evidence to the contrary is tuned out.

[4th&Five 41457]

I have a cousin that nobody likes so he comes to my parents' house on Thanksgiving now because they feel sorry for him.  A few years ago he was bashing Beto and saying that anyone that voted for him over Cruz is an idiot while my wife, brother and I just glared at him.  Last year he walks in and already has this pulled up on his phone:

The last thing we want to do is argue with my parents on holiday's in front of my kids but I have told them if he comes this year we'll be going to Hoovers.

[Poe It Up 126]

The holidays are the highlight of the year for most rednecks like myself. There’s going to be a fight and it’s going to be great. My dad used to put out boxing gloves for when my uncles got too drunk and felt like their honor was at stake. 

[FartingDreamer 138]

I'll do my part.  I love nothing more then correcting someone spewing nonsense with factual information.  

[Goredho 17301]

[hookemATL 11596]

We have been lucky to keep the malignantly retarded side of the family in East Texas where they can fellate Trump, blame Mexicans, and dirty knuckle each other to their hearts content. Life is too short to spend time with dangerously ignorant chucklefucks who cannot discuss an issue without bringing clear and provable lies as their standard practice.
 

 

[GenXer 2776]

42 minutes ago, Poe It Up said:

The holidays are the highlight of the year for most rednecks like myself. There’s going to be a fight and it’s going to be great. My dad used to put out boxing gloves for when my uncles got too drunk and felt like their honor was at stake. 

Redneck festivus?

[MeerkatBong 115]

Our gatherings (25-30 people) for holiday parties are almost universally politic-talk free. Everyone knows it's not polite and is counterproductive and there are wide ranges of political opinion. I don't know, maybe we are rare in that way. We also don't serve or drink booze, so maybe that helps (tons of little kids), as people are less apt to get mouthy or controversial when drinking tea.

Edited November 11, 2022 by MeerkatBong

[sidis 9713]

5 hours ago, 4th&Five said:

I have a cousin that nobody likes so he comes to my parents' house on Thanksgiving now because they feel sorry for him.  A few years ago he was bashing Beto and saying that anyone that voted for him over Cruz is an idiot while my wife, brother and I just glared at him.  Last year he walks in and already has this pulled up on his phone:

The last thing we want to do is argue with my parents on holiday's in front of my kids but I have told them if he comes this year we'll be going to Hoovers.

I'm doing a (relatively) small gathering at my place...no dumbshit in-laws.

[ConferenceRoom 6123]

Our gatherings (25-30 people) for holiday parties are almost universally politic-talk free. Everyone knows it's not polite and is counterproductive and there are wide ranges of political opinion. I don't know, maybe we are rare in that way. We also don't serve or drink booze, so maybe that helps (tons of little kids), as people are less apt to get mouthy or controversial when drinking tea.

No alcohol? In the spirit of bipartisanship we all need to hold this guy accountable.

[RDCanecutter 26238]

I find that nothing kills the romantic mood of meeting a long-lost cousin under the mistletoe than blurting out political truths.

Edited November 11, 2022 by RDCanecutter
fumbled clumsily at keyboard while in throes of passion

[aggie08 21379]

20 minutes ago, MeerkatBong said:

Our gatherings (25-30 people) for holiday parties are almost universally politic-talk free. Everyone knows it's not polite and is counterproductive and there are wide ranges of political opinion.

Your family sounds pretty cool.

20 minutes ago, MeerkatBong said:

We also don't serve or drink booze

Your family fucking sucks.

[4th&Five 41457]

11 minutes ago, sidis said:

I'm doing a (relatively) small gathering at my place...no dumbshit in-laws.

Tell us what to bring!😏

[washparkhorn 9931]

Thanksgiving with MAGA

[horn4life 3753]

I guess I also should have clarified.  I am not saying get into a debate.  Just a dismissal, like... "Is there any stupid lie you won't believe, and repeat? Good Lord!" with your eyes rolling and a laugh coming.

Anything more than that, and you will go down a rabbit hole of denial that will engulf the next several hours with dumbass "but whatabout" endless false "truths" they "heard about...."

[chainsaw 9831]

Litter Boxes in Every Classroom.

All Puberties: Blocked.

All Borders: Opened.

[MeerkatBong 115]

7 minutes ago, horn4life said:

I guess I also should have clarified.  I am not saying get into a debate.  Just a dismissal, like... "Is there any stupid lie you won't believe, and repeat? Good Lord!" with your eyes rolling and a laugh coming.

Anything more than that, and you will go down a rabbit hole of denial that will engulf the next several hours with dumbass "but whatabout" endless false "truths" they "heard about...."

I read a good story about “boundary phrases” that everyone should use. Things like “im not your target audience for that joke or this topic” or “wow I’m embarrassed you would say that outloud” or “what is the response you are looking for when you say that?” Etc.

[Fudge Nuggets 19118]

15 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

Litter Boxes in Every Classroom.

All Puberties: Blocked.

All Borders: Opened.

Dissidents:  Silenced.

Means of Production:  Seized.

[aggie08 21379]

I never talk politics in real life because I'm not a monster. Outside of this website, Trump and the GOP don't exist to me. What's the point? My family is mostly the same--even the ones that I know to be reliable, straight-ticket R's--but it is funny that, even among educated, successful adults, certain buzzwords can't get uttered by a nearby television without prompting an automatic scoff or oh-so-hilarious one-liner. Words like:

Biden

Any name that sounds remotely similar to Hillary

California

Laptop

Various lives and whether they matter

Russia

 

I guess it's impossible to turn off years of Fox News programming.

[atomheartbevo 89361]

43 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

Litter Boxes in Every Classroom.

All Puberties: Blocked.

All Borders: Opened.

Let's Go: Brandon.

God in Schools: The Catholic God (Catholics outnumber everybody else in Texas).

[atomheartbevo 89361]

 

Boycott: Fox News (They turned against Trump).

Edited November 12, 2022 by atomheartbevo

[Biff Tannen 45476]

9 hours ago, Poe It Up said:

My dad used to put out boxing gloves for when my uncles got too drunk and felt like their honor was at stake. 

Ok, that's funny.

[Hornius Emeritus 12403]

When you get to be my age you start to realize that there's no point in spending your one, little GRANTED life arguing with folks who you will never convince.  So whenever politics arises at one of our gatherings I just say "you know, I used to talk politics with my friends and family until one day it dawned on me that literally nobody gives a shit what my dumbass thinks."  The point gets made but by calling myself the dumbass it's made in a self-deprecating way that everybody laughs at, especially the real dumbass since, in his mind, I'm the dumbass.

[Biff Tannen 45476]

2 minutes ago, Hornius Emeritus said:

When you get to be my age you start to realize that there's no point in spending your one, little GRANTED life arguing with folks who you will never convince.  So whenever politics arises at one of our gatherings I just say "you know, I used to talk politics with my friends and family until one day it dawned on me that literally nobody gives a shit what my dumbass thinks."  The point gets made but by calling myself the dumbass it's made in a self-deprecating way that everybody laughs at, especially the real dumbass since, in his mind, I'm the dumbass.

Self-deprecating Gandalf is best Gandalf.

[Burt 4062]

9 hours ago, YGIFS said:

I ain’t saying shit.  My cousin who hosts and went down the Q/MAGA rabbit hole blames Mexicans for everything even though our moms are From Mexico.  But she makes delicious side dishes.  
 

my in laws have been bred to hate everything brown, gay, or pro choice.  As irony would have it, they have a gay nephew.  And their son in laws are Vietnamese, Black, and Hispanic.  But they are otherwise incredibly kind people.  To me anyway.  Which is weird.  Cause I’m brown.  And hate Trump.  Maybe it’s my personality ?  Nope. 

They hate all the ones they don't know....but wind up liking the very few they've actually been forced to get to know either through work or having someone in their immediate family bring home a black or Hispanic friend.  Almost all my relatives in east Texas and southern Arkansas are like that. It's selective racism.

[gmr548 16463]

My personal favorite is when an overweight, drunk, middle aged man inevitably goes for the "this sport has gotten so soft, just like this country, pussy/woke liberals killed them both" rant.

[chainsaw 9831]

Just now, gmr548 said:

My personal favorite is when an overweight, drunk, middle aged man inevitably goes for the "this sport has gotten so soft, just like this country, pussy/woke liberals killed them both" rant.

we need more hershel walkers

[Dbeasy 14953]

I fully understand everyone whose position is to not discuss politics. And for two hundreds years that was a sound strategy. 

However, we are now dealing with an extreme disconnect from reality. If your peer and family groups are anything like mine, you have four groups:

1. Strong supporters of the left

2. Strong supporters of the right

3. Those who are unhappy with both parties, but lean either left or right

4. Those that just stay nice and polite with everyone to keep the peace and keep their thoughts to themselves. 

It is my viewpoint that until Group #4 calls out the bullshit, we will continue to slide into an untenable morass. They are the only group that can change some minds. I’ve been waiting for these people to grow a pair for quite some time. 
 

 

 

[Fudge Nuggets 19118]

2 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

My personal favorite is when an overweight, drunk, middle aged man inevitably goes for the "this sport has gotten so soft, just like this country, pussy/woke liberals killed them both" rant.

This country has been soft since Nagasaki got 20 kilotons of atomic energy dropped on its ass.  Let's see how much of a badass uncle Seth is when you drop him in a den of Somali pirates or amongst a crowd of Niger Delta Bad Boys.  Thems some hard mother fuckers.

[Biff Tannen 45476]

9 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

I fully understand everyone whose position is to not discuss politics. And for two hundreds years that was a sound strategy. 

However, we are now dealing with an extreme disconnect from reality. If your peer and family groups are anything like mine, you have four groups:

1. Strong supporters of the left

2. Strong supporters of the right

3. Those who are unhappy with both parties, but lean either left or right

4. Those that just stay nice and polite with everyone to keep the peace and keep their thoughts to themselves. 

It is my viewpoint that until Group #4 calls out the bullshit, we will continue to slide into an untenable morass. They are the only group that can change some minds. I’ve been waiting for these people to grow a pair for quite some time. 
 

 

 

[atomheartbevo 89361]

Just found out my qanon in-law who has literally screamed at relatives who are vaccinated for harming her with their protein shedding or whatever and gotten angry at us for vaccinating our kids against childhood illnesses that used to kill kids...is diabetic and on insulin (and still unemployed which means her dad and step-mom are footing the bill).

I don't like shirring shit up with relatives at family gatherings, but If she goes on another anti-vaccine/anti-big Pharma rant...I'm.....

 

[troph 24547]

Ain’t seeing my family or hers for thanksgiving, we are taking my boys on a week long road trip from San Fransisco through wine country and through the redwoods, then over to the coast, turn around and go back down to Mendocino and back to SF. Best part is no one is in the forests then so they are quiet, peaceful, and remote as they are intended to be. Thanksgiving day over looking the coastal cliffs, couple of B&B type suites to lay around after a morning hike and then fixed menu for a traditional thanksgiving at a farm to table restaurant around the corner.  No bullshit, no politics, just gratitude and love. I’ll see my family for Christmas they don’t get to fuck up my favorite holiday, thanksgiving. 

Edited November 12, 2022 by troph

[fattyflattie 4636]

2 hours ago, troph said:

Ain’t seeing my family or hers for thanksgiving, we are taking my boys on a week long road trip from San Fransisco through wine country and through the redwoods, then over to the coast, turn around and go back down to Mendocino and back to SF. Best part is no one is in the forests then so they are quiet, peaceful, and remote as they are intended to be. Thanksgiving day over looking the coastal cliffs, couple of B&B type suites to lay around after a morning hike and then fixed menu for a traditional thanksgiving at a farm to table restaurant around the corner.  No bullshit, no politics, just gratitude and love. I’ll see my family for Christmas they don’t get to fuck up my favorite holiday, thanksgiving. 

That sounds awesome. 

[Mdhorn 5908]

My fav line to use is --Mom, I think you're on to something. Pack your things and let me get you on a plane to DC immediately.  Republicans everywhere need the evidence that you have of liberal cheating so they can finally present something in court to back up their lawsuits.  I can't believe you would selfishly hold back this information for so long.  Hurry up, let's go.  

[Hornius Emeritus 12403]

4 hours ago, troph said:

Ain’t seeing my family or hers for thanksgiving, we are taking my boys on a week long road trip from San Fransisco through wine country and through the redwoods, then over to the coast, turn around and go back down to Mendocino and back to SF. Best part is no one is in the forests then so they are quiet, peaceful, and remote as they are intended to be. Thanksgiving day over looking the coastal cliffs, couple of B&B type suites to lay around after a morning hike and then fixed menu for a traditional thanksgiving at a farm to table restaurant around the corner.  No bullshit, no politics, just gratitude and love. I’ll see my family for Christmas they don’t get to fuck up my favorite holiday, thanksgiving. 

I am sorry... I don't see the phrase " watching football " anywhere in your post.

[Nice Guy Eddie 13391]

17 hours ago, 4th&Five said:

 A few years ago he was bashing Beto and saying that anyone that voted for him over Cruz is an idiot while my wife, brother and I just glared at him.

I can handle someone that has different opinions than me, but there is nothing worse than a person who can only argue the other side are idiots. Especially as their opening line.

[Anastasis 23375]

13 hours ago, MeerkatBong said:

Our gatherings (25-30 people) for holiday parties are almost universally politic-talk free. Everyone knows it's not polite and is counterproductive and there are wide ranges of political opinion. I don't know, maybe we are rare in that way. We also don't serve or drink booze, so maybe that helps (tons of little kids), as people are less apt to get mouthy or controversial when drinking tea.

So a big crowd, lots of kids, and no fucking booze. That sounds awesome. Do you also boil the turkey?

[WBT 20397]

2 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

I can handle someone that has different opinions than me, but there is nothing worse than a person who can only argue the other side are idiots. Especially as their opening line.

Heh

[troph 24547]

5 hours ago, Hornius Emeritus said:

I am sorry... I don't see the phrase " watching football " anywhere in your post.

Couple of suites to lay around after a morning hike… games will be on.

[horn4life 3753]

2 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

I can handle someone that has different opinions than me, but there is nothing worse than a person who can only argue the other side are idiots. Especially as their opening line.

You can always say "Well then spell idiot, idiot!"  To which an angry response is,  "  I... D....O?...."  (I figure that's probably at least a 20% response rate)

[Guest]

3 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

I can handle someone that has different opinions than me, but there is nothing worse than a person who can only argue the other side are idiots. Especially as their opening line.

I tend to be the guy who people think MIGHT  launch into a profanity laced tirade about family, fun, and football and how big of a self-centered prick/ douchebag you must be to interject your bullshit into said fun times... so people tend to not do that shit at our holiday gatherings.

A little bit of crazy goes a long way.  That, and everyone can see the results of your life decisions on full display, so better to keep it quiet and rail against Jerry Jones or pineapple in the jello mold before you get called out in front of your kids. Leave your politics at home.

Edited November 12, 2022 by slorch

[TexArcher 37455]

The problem is that you can prove them wrong, with facts, and they still won't change their minds.  They're religious in their faith in the bullshit world that Fox News has sold them.

[HornOnTheBayou 8877]

10 hours ago, troph said:

Ain’t seeing my family or hers for thanksgiving, we are taking my boys on a week long road trip from San Fransisco through wine country and through the redwoods, then over to the coast, turn around and go back down to Mendocino and back to SF. Best part is no one is in the forests then so they are quiet, peaceful, and remote as they are intended to be. Thanksgiving day over looking the coastal cliffs, couple of B&B type suites to lay around after a morning hike and then fixed menu for a traditional thanksgiving at a farm to table restaurant around the corner.  No bullshit, no politics, just gratitude and love. I’ll see my family for Christmas they don’t get to fuck up my favorite holiday, thanksgiving. 

Can you adopt me before next week?

[Poe It Up 126]

10 hours ago, troph said:

Ain’t seeing my family or hers for thanksgiving, we are taking my boys on a week long road trip from San Fransisco through wine country and through the redwoods, then over to the coast, turn around and go back down to Mendocino and back to SF. Best part is no one is in the forests then so they are quiet, peaceful, and remote as they are intended to be. Thanksgiving day over looking the coastal cliffs, couple of B&B type suites to lay around after a morning hike and then fixed menu for a traditional thanksgiving at a farm to table restaurant around the corner.  No bullshit, no politics, just gratitude and love. I’ll see my family for Christmas they don’t get to fuck up my favorite holiday, thanksgiving. 

[SimonBolivar 10897]

We have a smallish family with just my parents (both life long Rs), their 3 kids, 3 kid's spouses, and one grandkid who is <1year old. My parents are full on "all politics sucks" these days since Trump was elected and hate talking about it. 4 of the next generation are Ds and the other 2 i'm sure vote R but have never said anything political I can ever remember.

 

It makes for the most boring 4 D vs 4 R holiday season every year. No fights and now with a baby in the mix it'll be even more civil. Disgusting. 

 

 

[WhatTheBuck 28700]

11 hours ago, chainsaw said:

we need more hershel walkers

He’s doing his part. Hell, he’s fathered so many sons, he can’t count them all.