5 killed 18 injured in colorado springs gay nightclub shooting

[aggie08 21525]

1 hour ago, Fondren & Main said:

Any update on the motive?

I'm not a psychologist, but I'm going with he wasn't a big fan of the gays.

[justhookit 4191]

Y’all are asking in the wrong thread. The last 4 pages are Cloak Room posters arguing with each other because they don’t have a 250 page page thread to argue about guns.

Edited November 22, 2022 by justhookit

[Pig Bellmont 8724]

Any mass shooting should have questions about how to prevent it. “Boo hoo it’s political in here”

Edited November 22, 2022 by Pig Bellmont

[Goredho 17413]

3 hours ago, conVINCEd said:

It’s just a 🖕to people that aren’t on their team.

The armed family photos serve as a really good filter.  It quickly separates people into sides of the 2A argument.  Your online reaction reveals you to be pro or anti gun, and once you have been so classified, you can be more easily targeted with information to influence your behavior, one way or the other.  I would be surprised if many of these photos aren't staged solely for this purpose.

[jimmyjazz 46097]

49 minutes ago, justhookit said:

Y’all are asking in the wrong thread. The last 4 pages are Cloak Room posters arguing with each other because they don’t have a 250 page page thread to argue about guns.

Your reading comprehension is stunning.  Like, sub-2nd grade.  Keep working on it.

[Deej 76897]

2 hours ago, Gourmand said:

have they released any photos of the shooter

[WhatTheBuck 28797]

2 minutes ago, Goredho said:

The armed family photos serve as a really good filter.  It quickly separates people into sides of the 2A argument.  Your online reaction reveals you to be pro or anti gun, and once you have been so classified, you can be more easily targeted with information to influence your behavior, one way or the other.  I would be surprised if many of these photos aren't staged solely for this purpose.

She knows her target audience. 

[Captainant 27727]

1 hour ago, justhookit said:

Y’all are asking in the wrong thread. The last 4 pages are Cloak Room posters arguing with each other because they don’t have a 250 page page thread to argue about guns.

Hurrrr durrrrrrrr muh seee arrrrrrrr!!!!eleventyone!!!!!i Give me a fucking break. We haven't been talking politics in this thread. But all the water heads repping you are also the same folks who love to joke about grooming and how the GUBMINT(!!!!) is coming for your expensive toys. 

 

This is a thread about the hate that a minority of this country carries in their hearts, and the terrorist acts they make in the name of their god. 

[PRONG HORN 3150]

Thanks Abraham 

 

 

[aggie08 21525]

2 hours ago, justhookit said:

Y’all are asking in the wrong thread. The last 4 pages are Cloak Room posters arguing with each other because they don’t have a 250 page page thread to argue about guns.

Asking what? What the motive is? I'm sorry, but it's a dumb question. Seriously dude, we've been through dozens of these at this point. He was wearing body armor. He wasn't there to kill a scorned lover and a few of his friends. He's a young male loser who chose a target rich environment where he thought a high body count would be guaranteed to make him "famous", obtained his guns of choice remarkably easily, and killed indiscriminately.

I can copy/paste his "motive" from the last time and the time before that.

[jimmyjazz 46097]

1 minute ago, aggie08 said:

Asking what? What the motive is? I'm sorry, but it's a dumb question. Seriously dude, we've been through dozens of these at this point. He was wearing body armor. He wasn't there to kill a scorned lover and a few of his friends. He's a young male loser who chose a target rich environment where he thought a high body count would be guaranteed to make him "famous", obtained his guns of choice remarkably easily, and killed indiscriminately.

I can copy/paste his "motive" from the last time and the time before that.

Snowflakes gonna snowflake.  News on DT at 11.

It's far and away most likely that this was a right-wing groomed bigot who decided to finally "man up" and show the world what we had been missing out on.  Way to go, fatass.  You ruined dozens of lives and you're now going to the death chamber.  A ha ag bar.

[justhookit 4191]

2 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

Your reading comprehension is stunning.  Like, sub-2nd grade.  Keep working on it.

Correct. A lot of it was also religion and drunk driving and hate crime. I only skimmed.

[justhookit 4191]

3 hours ago, Pig Bellmont said:

Any mass shooting should have questions about how to prevent it. “Boo hoo it’s political in here”

I get that. I’m not sure how making a snarky comment is whining though. 

im not the demographic you need to convince though either. Not a gun owner and I’m all for bans on these kinds of weapons, age restrictions, stronger red flag laws, addressing mental health issues, etc. I just think it’s better discussed on the CR board if you’re into arguing on the internet about those things. Personally I don’t want to discuss it on the internet here or there.

peace out.

[babysdaddy 2728]

[aggie08 21525]

33 minutes ago, justhookit said:

I get that. I’m not sure how making a snarky comment is whining though. 

im not the demographic you need to convince though either. Not a gun owner and I’m all for bans on these kinds of weapons, age restrictions, stronger red flag laws, addressing mental health issues, etc. I just think it’s better discussed on the CR board if you’re into arguing on the internet about those things. Personally I don’t want to discuss it on the internet here or there.

peace out.

People not being willing to discuss it is kind of the problem.

Not the we're going to solve anything on a message board.

[babysdaddy 2728]

[mchookem 16367]

4 hours ago, Samson's Wig said:

Tell me you don't know any redneck women without telling me you don't know any redneck women.

 

Most educated people live in a bubble, myself included, but I escaped the shit-show to get here.  Women, generally speaking, won't moderate a damn thing.  The right woman might, though.

yes but i wonder how many of those redneck women would be such enthusiastic gun-toters if they weren't immersed in a culture that fetishizes and idolizes yeehaw gun culture? i mean i would assume it helps them in attracting mates within those cultures. 

[Pig Bellmont 8724]

37 minutes ago, babysdaddy said:

 

 

I’m sure all the right wing homophobes are breathing a sigh of relief 

[babysdaddy 2728]

Who knows. Could be a good defense argument too

[FartingMonk 3608]

And the plot thickens.  

[washparkhorn 9939]

19 minutes ago, Cornpop said:

Outrage level plummeting 

[fattyflattie 4638]

Not even a week until the next major event. Motherfuck 

[honolulu horn 6165]

34 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

Not even a week until the next major event. Motherfuck 

Yeah. Mass shootings are a scourge on our country and we have done nothing to correct it. I'd honestly prefer my university to put out a statement that simply reads, "Who cares?" for this latest shooting in Chesapeake. Not to be dismissive, but just to be real about the situation. People, politicians, institutions say they care, but it's clear they really don't. Nothing's changed. 

[washparkhorn 9939]

2 hours ago, babysdaddy said:

Who knows. Could be a good defense argument too

The DA stated it was important to pursue the case as a hate crime. Colorado has no death penalty, but the Feds do for hate crimes. I am not sure if the Feds have ever pursued death in a state where the penalty is outlawed. If the DP is on the table, his public defenders wisely will pursue any defense or mitigating circumstances.
 

The public defenders are sharp in Colorado.

And who knows, maybe the alleged perp fought what he thought were demons making him believe he was not CIS gendered. Repression is a hell of a bitch.
 

The Alleged Perp changed his name apparently because his dad was in porn (Dick Delaware). The alleged perp was upset about bullying calling him gay. Time will tell what made him snap. 

[po elvis 2076]

9 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

Antifa. Duh.

you were close.

[52-80 19226]

1 hour ago, washparkhorn said:

The Alleged Perp changed his name apparently because his dad was in porn (Dick Delaware). The alleged perp was upset about bullying calling him gay. Time will tell what made him snap. 

pretty snazzy name if one were to give oneself a porn name...

family came from san antonio.  mom charged for arson.  estranged from dad.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/11/21/colorado-springs-qbar-shooter/

 

[WhatTheBuck 28797]

6 hours ago, babysdaddy said:

Who knows. Could be a good defense argument too

Could be just that. 

[aggie08 21525]

Even if the shooter truly does identify as non-binary, it changes nothing. A *biological* young male who felt like an outcast in society decided to take out his personal grievances on the rest of us by easily obtaining a gun, and trying to kill as many strangers as possible.

But it's a nice distraction to take the focus off guns, so congrats to everyone rooting for that. Maybe a politician will call it an "assault rifle" and we'll all get to ridicule them. Good times.

[fattyflattie 4638]

2 hours ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

Enjoy it, penis wrinkle, this is what you voted for. 

Did I?  Are you sure?  That doesn’t sound right.  

[Handcruser 2805]

And we've also seen a huge change in firearms, and how they are treated.  25-30 years ago, ARs and similar weapons weren't ubiquitous.  Firearms were not cultural talismen for incel losers to wield.  I had a firearm in the trunk of my car in the high school parking lot for several months of the year (hunting season).  Never even occurred to me to pull it out and shoot those who pissed me off.
Firearms law and firearms culture has changed materially, and for the worse, over the past generation.  Saying "there's nothing we can do, laws mean nothing" ignores the evidence of the past generation.  We made stuff worse.  That being true, we can also make it better.

Alright, I’ll play.

If you would of had an ar-15 in your trunk in high school instead of a bird gun, how much more likely would you have been to pull it on those people “that pissed you off”? 5x more likely? 10x?

[NotActuallyALonghorn 4977]

25 minutes ago, Handcruser said:

Alright, I’ll play.

If you would of had an ar-15 in your trunk in high school instead of a bird gun, how much more likely would you have been to pull it on those people “that pissed you off”? 5x more likely? 10x?

My primary hunting rifle is an AR-15 type rifle chambered in 300 BLK that I built back when it was still a new round and a lot of folks were saying it wouldn't take off, but there is definitely something amiss with American gun culture these days. I don't think it is necessarily related to the guns themselves, but more to how we were in a state of war for twenty years up until just recently and the associated idolisation of military culture. Combine that with the expiration of the AWB of 1994 and here we are. To me, my rifle is a more practical tool for hunting than the rifles my grandparents and great grandparents used. It has uses for defending my family, yes, but I recognize that that likelihood is an outlier and don't ever expect to use it for anything other than hunting. To others, however, the same rifle is something fetishisized and it's like they almost hope to have a chance to use it to kill someone.

[Guest]

43 minutes ago, Handcruser said:

Alright, I’ll play.

If you would of had an ar-15 in your trunk in high school instead of a bird gun, how much more likely would you have been to pull it on those people “that pissed you off”? 5x more likely? 10x?

According to a lot of folks on here, I would be unable to resist the urge. It's unavoidable.

It's like having a cordless drill.  I can't stop screwing things with it.

Edited November 23, 2022 by slorch

[Brisketexan 105275]

Alright, I’ll play.

If you would of had an ar-15 in your trunk in high school instead of a bird gun, how much more likely would you have been to pull it on those people “that pissed you off”? 5x more likely? 10x?

Not much. Because it just wasn’t a concept, and it wasn’t how we looked at guns.
To me and my peers, and our culture at the time: guns = tools for hunting and sport shooting.
Starting in the early 90s: guns became an accessory to pose with, a symbol, and a fetish.
I even had a friend with an AR in the late 80s. We took it to the ranch, shot it, thought it was interesting…and that was that.
And I’ve told the stories of me going to gun shows, and how they changed DRAMATICALLY in that timeframe. Our collective brain is broken when it comes to guns, and the turning point was around that time.

[52-80 19226]

48 minutes ago, Handcruser said:

Alright, I’ll play.

If you would of had an ar-15 in your trunk in high school instead of a bird gun, how much more likely would you have been to pull it on those people “that pissed you off”? 5x more likely? 10x?

I bet most of the ‘mass shooting’ (by whatever #death cutoff you choose) is done with pistols, rather than AR15 or similar ‘assault rifle’

[Goredho 17413]

You know there are ways all law abiding gun owners in this thread can keep all their guns AND we can keep them out of the hands of people like Anderson Lee Aldrich and Salvador Ramos.  Those are not mutually exclusive goals, but it’s gonna take a lot of people on both sides of the 2A argument being willing to soften their position and work together.

Which of course means it’s a fucking hopeless cause.

[Homercles 10206]

I’m not going anywhere near the gun ‘argument’ because it’s been sadly happening for years and we will get the same old people with the same old arguments.  What seems newer to me is this angle some have taken against LGBT communities that they are grooming and sexualizing children, and using that (false) accusation as a way to marginalize those who just recently were able to gain a little ground in the war of acceptance:

 https://news.yahoo.com/tucker-guest-expect-more-attacks-034606363.html
 

Tucker Carlsons (lesbian) guest:  

——

“The shooting at an LGBTQ nightclub in Colorado Springs over the weekend that left five dead and more than two dozen injured was “predictable” and won’t be the last of its kind, said a guest on Tucker Carlson’s Fox News show Tuesday night.

“The tragedy that happened in Colorado Springs the other night—it was expected and predictable. We all within Gays Against Groomers saw this coming from a mile away,” said Jaimee Mitchell, whose group describes itself as “a coalition of gays against the sexualization, indoctrination, and medicalization of children.”

——

Where is this pandemic of sexualization of children they speak of?  Is it all happening in that secret Democrat pizza parlor?  I have to hand it to the far right, they are masters at inventing conspiracy theories that take hold of the weak minded, frustrated, and angry.  
 

If this guy does come out as trans, it won’t lead me to ‘outrage level plummeting’…it’ll ramp it up, because this ridiculous messaging that these people are somehow subhuman possibly caused a closeted person to lash out at what they were told are a scourge to be eliminated.  

[safe sex 11746]

8 minutes ago, Homercles said:

I’m not going anywhere near the gun ‘argument’ because it’s been sadly happening for years and we will get the same old people with the same old arguments.  What seems newer to me is this angle some have taken against LGBT communities that they are grooming and sexualizing children, and using that (false) accusation as a way to marginalize those who just recently were able to gain a little ground in the war of acceptance:

 https://news.yahoo.com/tucker-guest-expect-more-attacks-034606363.html
 

Tucker Carlsons (lesbian) guest:  

——

“The shooting at an LGBTQ nightclub in Colorado Springs over the weekend that left five dead and more than two dozen injured was “predictable” and won’t be the last of its kind, said a guest on Tucker Carlson’s Fox News show Tuesday night.

“The tragedy that happened in Colorado Springs the other night—it was expected and predictable. We all within Gays Against Groomers saw this coming from a mile away,” said Jaimee Mitchell, whose group describes itself as “a coalition of gays against the sexualization, indoctrination, and medicalization of children.”  

"The gays are pedo predators" canard has a long and gross history

[Handcruser 2805]

Some good responses to my question and I appreciate them.

I sell guns. I think some of y’all know that. We build AR’s and do gunsmithing. We have a diverse clientele and ya’ll can guess which way we lean politically.

However, our entire staff is hyper aware to things that seem off. I just denied a sale last week, reported to ATF, and they were in our shop next day getting documentation and video.

The reason we can’t have sensible discussions on gun control really is because there is no negotiation or compromise- just hostage taking.

We’re for things that make sense. Now for the things that don’t make sense, get rid of them.

(Silencers - I’ll start with you).

[Cornpop 230]

30 minutes ago, Goredho said:

You know there are ways all law abiding gun owners in this thread can keep all their guns AND we can keep them out of the hands of people like Anderson Lee Aldrich and Salvador Ramos.  

How's that?

[Homercles 10206]

5 minutes ago, safe sex said:

"The gays are pedo predators" canard has a long and gross history

Fair enough, but it feels newer to be so publicly adopted and espoused by an entire wing of politics.  Talked about in living rooms, sure, but not necessarily agreed with by public figures on national tv.  Though I’m probably naive/sheltered from it. 

[safe sex 11746]

6 minutes ago, Handcruser said:

Some good responses to my question and I appreciate them.

I sell guns. I think some of y’all know that. We build AR’s and do gunsmithing. We have a diverse clientele and ya’ll can guess which way we lean politically.

However, our entire staff is hyper aware to things that seem off. I just denied a sale last week, reported to ATF, and they were in our shop next day getting documentation and video.

The reason we can’t have sensible discussions on gun control really is because there is no negotiation or compromise- just hostage taking.

We’re for things that make sense. Now for the things that don’t make sense, get rid of them.

(Silencers - I’ll start with you).

Do you really feel that there is no compromise to come from the left on gun control? You don't think many of reforms that are supported by a majority of the country's citizens are being held up by "which way we lean politically?"

[hookemATL 11838]

Only sheltered in a sense that you do not engage with dangerous propaganda machines that churn out lies faster than an aggy judges meat or the tightness of a sheeps asshole. 

[aggie08 21525]

2 minutes ago, Handcruser said:

The reason we can’t have sensible discussions on gun control really is because there is no negotiation or compromise- just hostage taking.

That's just simply not true. Sure, there are the extremes in the anti-gun lobby that want to ban everything "built for war" but they aren't the ones pushing policy. One side would LOVE to get in a room, consult with experts, and pass ANY sensible new gun law, so they could put it in their next reelection commercial. The other side actively fights even the most modest of reforms and refuses to even enter the room.

Don't both sides this.

[babysdaddy 2728]

On 11/20/2022 at 9:38 AM, aggie08 said:

Js1, yet again witnessing the gay community seemingly (we'll see how the story unfolds) being the targets of hate and violence, cracks a joke about hypocritical evangelicals. And Newdoc is more concerned about the latter's feelings. Ok, then.

 

On 11/20/2022 at 1:11 PM, aggie08 said:

Yeah, how dare he vent his anger by lashing out at the group inarguably most responsible (evangelical types, not Christains as a whole) for spreading anti-gay messaging. You've really got your finger on the pulse of this one.

 

On 11/20/2022 at 2:46 PM, aggie08 said:

How about this: fuck evangelicals all day, every day, regardless of reason. I don't mind most religions, but evangelicals can suck shit through a straw. That doesn't change if the shooter isn't religious.

Do tell though: who propagates anti-LTBTQ messaging to a wider audience in the United States?

 

16 hours ago, aggie08 said:

I'm not a psychologist, but I'm going with he wasn't a big fan of the gays.

 

3 hours ago, aggie08 said:

Even if the shooter truly does identify as non-binary, it changes nothing. A *biological* young male who felt like an outcast in society decided to take out his personal grievances on the rest of us by easily obtaining a gun, and trying to kill as many strangers as possible.

But it's a nice distraction to take the focus off guns, so congrats to everyone rooting for that. Maybe a politician will call it an "assault rifle" and we'll all get to ridicule them. Good times.

[NotActuallyALonghorn 4977]

4 minutes ago, safe sex said:

Do you really feel that there is no compromise to come from the left on gun control? You don't think many of reforms that are supported by a majority of the country's citizens are being held up by "which way we lean politically?"

There have been numerous proposals in the many threads we have on this site posted by people active in the "gun culture" about the issue. Almost all of them have been been shouted down as not restrictive enough by the other side. All the while saying that the gun lobby refuses to compromise while stupidly ignoring the fact that most of the stuff they are asking for were in fact compromises that were made in order to get the laws they want passed in the first place.

[aggie08 21525]

8 minutes ago, Cornpop said:

How's that?

How about making getting a gun as difficult to get as it if for a 16 year old to legally drive on a public road?

In-person gun competency evaluation, safety exam, proof of safe storage, registration, more stringent tests for different 'levels' of firearms

Would barely be a speed bump for responsible gun owners with a respect for firearms.

But it would absolutely weed out the 18 year old who gets teased for a speech impediment, and the mush that is an 18 year-old's brain tells him to go out in a blaze of glory.

[NotActuallyALonghorn 4977]

Just now, aggie08 said:

How about making getting a gun as difficult to get as it if for a 16 year old to legally drive on a public road?

In-person gun competency evaluation, safety exam, proof of safe storage, registration, more stringent tests for different 'levels' of firearms

Would barely be a speed bump for responsible gun owners with a respect for firearms.

But it would absolutely weed out the 18 year old who gets teased for a speech impediment, and the mush that is an 18 year-old's brain tells him to go out in a blaze of glory.

 

It worked pretty well to suppress black people during the Civil Rights movement, so you've got that going for you.

[aggie08 21525]

3 minutes ago, babysdaddy said:

 

 

 

 

Don't be daft. I never once claimed that he was an evangelical zealot or whatever else. I simply said that people have a right to say fuck those groups pretty much any time the LGBTQ community is targeted, whether they were directly involved or not. They do their best to normalize and perpetuate anti-gay messaging. Fuck those groups ad infinitum.

[Foosters 17882]

13 minutes ago, NotActuallyALonghorn said:

There have been numerous proposals in the many threads we have on this site posted by people active in the "gun culture" about the issue. Almost all of them have been been shouted down as not restrictive enough by the other side. All the while saying that the gun lobby refuses to compromise while stupidly ignoring the fact that most of the stuff they are asking for were in fact compromises that were made in order to get the laws they want passed in the first place.

Yes, it's the gun lobby that's reasonable and not filing suits seeking to enjoin cities and states from passing even the most modest gun and ammo regulations. What in the world do "proposals" on internet message boards have to do with actual policy? 

[fattyflattie 4638]

23 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

That's just simply not true. Sure, there are the extremes in the anti-gun lobby that want to ban everything "built for war" but they aren't the ones pushing policy.

Feinstein and Sheila Jackson Lee, who’ve pushed for extreme reform many, many times, disagree with this statement.