5 killed 18 injured in colorado springs gay nightclub shooting

[butthurt 1522]

https://www.atrevidabeerco.com/

Dude and his wife own a brewery and she's the brew master. They don't have a lot of merchandise but I'm buying a shirt.   

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19100]

10 hours ago, Covri said:

If having one dad in the house can prevent mass shootings, imagine what could be accomplished with two dads in the house! 

[conVINCEd 21469]

1 minute ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

This was an underrated post.

[Hate 20108]

3 hours ago, Captainant said:

I've got an AR that I built custom years ago when I was shooting often, it's a tack driver, it's a great range gun, and others like it fucking kills so many innocent people. It's time to do something about an item that is obviously uniquely dangerous and desirable for use in terrorist attacks. Sorry if it makes others lose their toys too. 

It's just a thing in a safe. Us keeping our AR's isn't worth the damage to our nations soul that we see on an ever more frequent basis. 

Have you turned it in to your nearest police station? 

[huge 3793]

I am a gun positive person but if AR was off the table all of a sudden I would back it.

[Hate 20108]

23 minutes ago, Hate said:

Have you turned it in to your nearest police station? 

Why in the hell would you neg this question you great big gaping pussy?

[FartingMonk 3606]

Im just confused how this big ass 300+ lb roly poly walked into a night club with a long gun without drawing attention.  And there is no way that fat fuck found body armor.  

[Brian Fantana 6685]

Not surprising this post brought out the worst trolls on the board

[Captainant 27647]

6 hours ago, Hate said:

Why in the hell would you neg this question you great big gaping pussy?

Because you're joking about and backslapping with your chudley buddies over a terrorist attack on group that's been targeted by militant religious extremists and cast as child molesters by hateful and useful idiots.

It's just a neg. Put on your big boy pants and deal with it, it's not like you're getting shot at you great big gaping pussy. 

[Captainant 27647]

More on topic: it seems like the only thing the cops did was to show up late and cuff the man who actually protected and served his community

What the fuck is it with cops and actively preventing parents from protecting their families during a terrorist attack??

[wildcat09 29349]

I’d like to modify my prior post to death sentence by being stomped by a trans woman.

[bolverk 29659]

7 minutes ago, Captainant said:

More on topic: it seems like the only thing the cops did was to show up late and cuff the man who actually protected and served his community

What the fuck is it with cops and actively preventing parents from protecting their families during a terrorist attack??

 

Just finished reading that article and came here to post it in full. Not only is he a hero but also a great fucking father.

Army Veteran Went Into ‘Combat Mode’ to Disarm the Club Q Gunman
Richard M. Fierro, who served for 15 years in the military, was at the nightclub in Colorado Springs with his family when the gunman opened fire. “I just knew I had to take him down,” he said.

COLORADO SPRINGS — Richard M. Fierro was at a table in Club Q with his wife, daughter and friends on Saturday, watching a drag show, when the sudden flash of gunfire ripped across the nightclub and instincts forged during four combat deployments in Iraq and Afghanistan instantly kicked in. Fight back, he told himself, protect your people.

In an interview at his house on Monday, where his wife and daughter were still recovering from injuries, Mr. Fierro, 45, who spent 15 years as an Army officer and left as a major in 2013, according to military records, described charging through the chaos at the club, tackling the gunman and beating him bloody with the gunman’s own gun.

“I don’t know exactly what I did, I just went into combat mode,” Mr. Fierro said, shaking his head as he stood in his driveway, an American flag hanging limp in the freezing air. “I just know I have to kill this guy before he kills us.”

The authorities are holding Anderson Lee Aldrich, 22, on charges of killing five people, and say that 18 more people were injured in a rampage at the club that lasted only a few minutes. The death toll could have been much higher, officials said on Sunday, if patrons of the bar had not stopped the gunman.

“He saved a lot of lives,” Mayor John Suthers said of Mr. Fierro. The mayor said he had spoken to Mr. Fierro and was struck by his humility. “I have never encountered a person who engaged in such heroic actions and was so humble about it.”

It was supposed to be a chill family night out — the combat veteran and his wife, Jess, joined their daughter, Kassandra, her longtime boyfriend Raymond Green Vance, and two family friends to watch one of his daughter’s friends perform a drag act.

It was Mr. Fierro’s first time at a drag show, and he was digging it. He had spent 15 years in the Army, and now relished his role as a civilian and a father, watching one of his daughter’s old high-school friends perform.

“These kids want to live that way, want to have a good time, have at it,” he said as he described the night. “I’m happy about it because that is what I fought for, so they can do whatever they hell they want.”

Mr. Fierro was trying to get better at going out. In Iraq and Afghanistan he’d been shot at, seen roadside bombs shred trucks in his platoon, and lost friends. He was twice awarded the Bronze Star.

The wars were both past and still present. There were things he would never forget. For a long time after coming home, crowds put him on edge. He couldn’t help to be vigilant. In restaurants he sat against the wall, facing the door. No matter how much he tried to relax, part of him was always ready for an attack, like an itch that could not be scratched.

He was too often distrustful, quick to anger. It had been hell on his wife and daughter. He was working on it. There was medication and sessions with a psychologist. He got rid of all the guns in the house. He grew his hair out long and grew a long, white goatee to distance himself from his days in uniform.

He and his wife ran a successful local brewery called Atrevida Beer Co. and he had a warm relationship with his daughter and her longtime boyfriend. But he also accepted that war would always be with him.

But that night at Club Q, he was not thinking of war at all. The women were dancing. He was joking with his friends. Then the shooting started.

It was a staccato of flashes by the front door, the familiar sound of small-arms fire. Mr. Fierro knew it too well. Without thinking, he hit the floor, pulling his friend down with him. Bullets sprayed across the bar, smashing bottles and glasses. People screamed. Mr. Fierro looked up and saw a figure as big as a bear, easily more than 300 pounds, wearing body armor and carrying a rifle a lot like the one he had carried in Iraq. The shooter was moving through the bar toward a door leading to a patio where dozens of people had fled.

The long-suppressed instincts of a platoon leader surged back to life. He raced across the room, grabbed the gunman by a handle on the back of his body armor, pulled him to the floor and jumped on top of him.

“Was he shooting at the time? Was he about to shoot? I don’t know,” Mr. Fierro said. “I just knew I had to take him down.

The two crashed to the floor. The gunman’s military-style rifle clattered just out of reach. Mr. Fierro started to go for it, but then saw the gunman come up with a pistol in his other hand.

“I grabbed the gun out of his hand and just started hitting him in the head, over and over,” Mr. Fierro said.

As he held the man down and slammed the pistol down on his skull, Mr. Fierro started barking orders. He yelled for another club patron, using a string of expletives, to grab the rifle then told the patron to start kicking the gunman in the face. A drag dancer was passing by, and Mr. Fierro said he ordered her to stomp the attacker with her high heels. The whole time, Mr. Fierro said, he kept pummeling the shooter with the pistol while screaming obscenities.

What allowed him to throw aside all fear and act? He said he has no idea. Probably those old instincts of war, that had burdened him for so long at home, suddenly had a place now that something like war had come to his hometown.

“In combat, most of the time nothing happens, but it’s that mad minute, that mad minute, and you are tested in that minute. It becomes habit,” he said. “I don’t know how I got the weapon away from that guy, no idea. I’m just a dude, I’m a fat old vet, but I knew I had to do something.”

When police arrived a few minutes later, the gunman was no longer struggling, Mr. Fierro said. Mr. Fierro said he feared that he had killed him.

Mr. Fierro was covered in blood. He got up and frantically lurched around in the dark, looking for his family. He spotted his friends on the floor. One had been shot several times in the chest and arm. Another had been shot in the leg.

As more police filed in, Mr. Fiero said he started yelling like he was back in combat. Casualties. Casualties. I need a medic here now. He yelled to the police that the scene was clear, the shooter was down, but people needed help. He said he took tourniquets from a young police officer and put them on his bleeding friends. He said he tried to speak calmly to them as he worked, telling them they would be OK.

He spied his wife and daughter on the edge of the room, and was about to go to them when he was tackled.

Officers rushing into the chaotic scene had spotted a blood-spattered man with a handgun, not knowing if he was a threat. They put him in handcuffs and locked him in the back of a police car for what seemed like more than an hour. He said he screamed and pleaded to be let go so that he could see his family.

Eventually, he was freed. He went to the hospital with his wife and daughter, who had only minor injuries. His friends were there, and are still there, in much more serious condition. They were all alive. But his daughter’s boyfriend was nowhere to be found. In the chaos they had lost him. They drove back to the club, searching for him, they circled familiar streets, hoping they would find him walking home. But there was nothing.

The family got a call late Sunday from his mother. He had died in the shooting.

When Mr. Fierro heard, he said, he held his daughter and cried.

In part he cried because he knew what lay ahead. The families of the dead, the people who were shot, had now been in war, like he had. They would struggle like he and so many of his combat buddies had. They would ache with misplaced vigilance, they would lash out in anger, never be able to scratch the itch of fear, be torn by the longing to forget and the urge to always remember.

“My little girl, she screamed and I was crying with her,” he said. “Driving home from the hospital I told them, ‘Look, I’ve gone through this before, and down range, when this happens, you just get out on the next patrol. You need to get it out of your mind.’ That is how you cured it. You cured it by doing more. Eventually you get home safe. But here I worry there is no next patrol. It is harder to cure. You are already home.”

[Js1 85305]

13 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

I’d like to modify my prior post to death sentence by being stomped by a trans woman.

I know a few in Denver who would love that opportunity. Fuck that guy. Fuck the cops. And fuck guns the most 

Edited November 22, 2022 by Js1

[Hate 20108]

45 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Because you're joking about and backslapping with your chudley buddies over a terrorist attack on group that's been targeted by militant religious extremists and cast as child molesters by hateful and useful idiots.

It's just a neg. Put on your big boy pants and deal with it, it's not like you're getting shot at you great big gaping pussy. 

You could not be more wrong. I’m not back slapping anyone. Find a post of mine on this site where I support any of these hateful people.  But here you are on this site talking about getting rid of a type of gun that you own, yet doing fuck all about it. Turn in your AR. Set an example.  I’ve said multiple times on this site that I would support a ban on ARs.  So fuck off!

Edited November 22, 2022 by Hate

[Captainant 27647]

8 minutes ago, Hate said:

But here you are on this site talking about getting rid of a type of gun that you own, yet doing fuck all about it. Turn in your AR. Set an example.  I’ve said multiple times on this site that I would support a ban on ARs.  So fuck off!

I mean I've changed my voting habits, stopped buying firearms stuff (aside from shells for birds), and have actively campaigned for some gun control measures as a response to these horrific events. Much like climate change, a single person taking action doesn't make a shit. It has to be collective to actually get us closer to a reality in which religious extremists stop using it to slaughter what they consider to be SINNERS and PEDOS and anyone else their pastor tells them to hate

[WhatTheBuck 28776]

8 hours ago, Hate said:

Have you turned it in to your nearest police station? 

You would not fit in at a Dead show at all.

[HouTex 1866]

5 hours ago, Brian Fantana said:

Not surprising this post brought out the worst trolls on the board

yep.  The only good thing is that it shows who I should put on ignore. 

[WhatTheBuck 28776]

1 hour ago, Captainant said:

More on topic: it seems like the only thing the cops did was to show up late and cuff the man who actually protected and served his community

What the fuck is it with cops and actively preventing parents from protecting their families during a terrorist attack??

Remember at the Pulse nightclub shooting the armed off-duty cop working security hid in the parking lot and waited for backup to arrive while the shooter was killing people inside the club. 

[Nivek 16923]

Laws won’t protect you from pieces of shit, they always find a way. 

Good thing you are not in charge of our national defense. Otherwise we might be selling WMDs to terrorists and then acting like there is nothing that could be done to prevent the bombs going off in our cities.

[SimonBolivar 10958]

12 hours ago, maninblack said:

How much for your AR?

I believe it's currently illegal for you to purchase weapons for Russia, but I'm sure you'd know better than I would.

[Nivek 16923]

Those that get caught are a tiny fraction of those that drink and drive. It’s obviously not much of a deterrent. 

This an stupid statement. I have seen attitudes change in the course of my life on drinking and driving. Laws and awareness has had an impact.

At this point just come out and say it, you love this shit. It means nothing to you when people/children die in mass shootings. One plus one makes 3 and there is nothing that can change it.

[Hate 20108]

You would not fit in at a Dead show at all.

Well, I fit right in to all of the shows that I went to in any configuration of the band. I’m not sure what point you are trying to make. I don’t support these religious zealots that preach hate. I am very supportive of any group of people that are targets of this kind of hate. I didn’t vote for a single Republican this last election. I’ve said on this site that I would support a ban on ARs. I’ve also said that I would support measures to make it more difficult to purchase guns. I simply asked an AR owner that has posted many many times that these guns only have one purpose and that is to kill many people efficiently, why does he still have one? Is that really such a difficult question?

[Brisketexan 105093]

1 minute ago, Nivek said:

This an stupid statement. I have seen attitudes change in the course of my life on drinking and driving. Laws and awareness has had an impact.

At this point just come out and say it, you love this shit. It means nothing to you when people/children die in mass shootings. One plus one makes 3 and there is nothing that can change it.

And we've also seen a huge change in firearms, and how they are treated.  25-30 years ago, ARs and similar weapons weren't ubiquitous.  Firearms were not cultural talismen for incel losers to wield.  I had a firearm in the trunk of my car in the high school parking lot for several months of the year (hunting season).  Never even occurred to me to pull it out and shoot those who pissed me off.

Firearms law and firearms culture has changed materially, and for the worse, over the past generation.  Saying "there's nothing we can do, laws mean nothing" ignores the evidence of the past generation.  We made stuff worse.  That being true, we can also make it better.

[Beau Vine 54210]

1 hour ago, bolverk said:

It was a staccato of flashes by the front door, the familiar sound of small-arms fire. Mr. Fierro knew it too well. Without thinking, he hit the floor, pulling his friend down with him. Bullets sprayed across the bar, smashing bottles and glasses. People screamed. Mr. Fierro looked up and saw a figure as big as a bear, easily more than 300 pounds, wearing body armor and carrying a rifle a lot like the one he had carried in Iraq. The shooter was moving through the bar toward a door leading to a patio where dozens of people had fled.

The long-suppressed instincts of a platoon leader surged back to life. He raced across the room, grabbed the gunman by a handle on the back of his body armor, pulled him to the floor and jumped on top of him.

“Was he shooting at the time? Was he about to shoot? I don’t know,” Mr. Fierro said. “I just knew I had to take him down.

The two crashed to the floor. The gunman’s military-style rifle clattered just out of reach. Mr. Fierro started to go for it, but then saw the gunman come up with a pistol in his other hand.

In a normal world, this certified American badass would be a household name, recognized as a superhero.  

But in our world, schleps like Kyle Rittenhouse get that treatment.  

[Brisketexan 105093]

2 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

In a normal world, this certified American badass would be a household name, recognized as a superhero.  

But in our world, schleps like Kyle Rittenhouse get that treatment.  

Wish I could rep this more.

This contrast, right here, says more about how broken we are as a society than any other single thing I can think of.

Think this guy will be lauded at the next

???

Yeah.  Ne neither. 

[Beau Vine 54210]

21 hours ago, Neonmoon said:

“The breakdown of family”

We’re bringing out all the classics. 

Anyone mention violence in the media yet? We only need to distract for 24 hours before everyone forgets and I can go pew pew with my favorite toys 

[Cornpop 230]

2 hours ago, Captainant said:

Because you're joking about and backslapping with your chudley buddies over a terrorist attack on group that's been targeted by militant religious extremists and cast as child molesters by hateful and useful idiots.

It's just a neg. Put on your big boy pants and deal with it, it's not like you're getting shot at you great big gaping pussy. 

Then why don't you lead by example and get rid of yours instead of being a fucking hypocrite?

[Beau Vine 54210]

20 hours ago, YGIFS said:

Jesus was very specific on homosexuality and very, very specific on the right to firearms.  It's all there in plain Aramaic.  Won't people just read?  

Oh yeah, I forgot.  

No one loved AR-15s more than Jesus Christ himself.

[Brian Fantana 6685]

17 minutes ago, Cornpop said:

Then why don't you lead by example and get rid of yours instead of being a fucking hypocrite?

Why don't you pull your lip over your head and swallow?

[Captainant 27647]

50 minutes ago, Hate said:

I simply asked an AR owner that has posted many many times that these guns only have one purpose and that is to kill many people efficiently, why does he still have one?

I've never posted that on this site or any other site. But you're welcome to prove me wrong with evidence for this claim. 

An AR is an excellent range toy and it has excellent customizability because you just drop on a new upper and you've got another caliber of rifle ready to go. But wouldn't ya know it, I never use the damn thing except for at the range. Us giving up our range toys isn't going to make you less free. 

22 minutes ago, Cornpop said:

Then why don't you lead by example and get rid of yours instead of being a fucking hypocrite?

How about instead of demanding action from a single person, we work towards a collective change that actually removes the objectively easy availability of firepower from our society?

For fucks sake it's easy for a 17 year old to get an AR and go hunting in a riot. It's easy for a man known to be making bombs to get an AR and go shoot up a drag show. It's easy for a kid with known mental health problems in Uvalde to go buy an AR and pulp a dozen children. 

How is my """leading by example""" going to make a goddamn bit of difference to any of those people? How is my singular action going to meaningfully impact the national trend (supported by very fine people like you and yours) of ignoring gun laws and letting these terrorists through the cracks? 

You don't give a shit about any of this. You just want us to stop talking about it, so you'll busy yourself with attacking individuals and finding reasons like hYpoCriSy to ignore them, and happily rinse the gore off and wait for another group you find icky to get massacred

Edited November 22, 2022 by Captainant

[Cornpop 230]

5 minutes ago, Captainant said:

I've never posted that on this site or any other site. But you're welcome to prove me wrong with evidence for this claim. 

An AR is an excellent range toy and it has excellent customizability because you just drop on a new upper and you've got another caliber of rifle ready to go. But wouldn't ya know it, I never use the damn thing except for at the range. Us giving up our range toys isn't going to make you less free. 

How about instead of demanding action from a single person, we work towards a collective change that actually removes the objectively easy availability of firepower from our society?

For fucks sake it's easy for a 17 year old to get an AR and go hunting in a riot. It's easy for a man known to be making bombs to get an AR and go shoot up a drag show. It's easy for a kid with known mental health problems in Uvalde to go buy an AR and pulp a dozen children. 

How is my """leading by example""" going to make a goddamn bit of difference to any of those people? How is my singular action going to meaningfully impact the national trend (supported by very fine people like you and yours) of ignoring gun laws and letting these terrorists through the cracks? 

You don't give a shit about any of this. You just want us to stop talking about it, so you'll busy yourself with attacking individuals and finding reasons like hYpoCriSy to ignore them, and happily rinse the gore off and wait for another group you find icky to get massacred

Please make sure to show proof when you turn yours in

[wildcat09 29349]

29 minutes ago, Captainant said:

I've never posted that on this site or any other site. But you're welcome to prove me wrong with evidence for this claim. 

An AR is an excellent range toy and it has excellent customizability because you just drop on a new upper and you've got another caliber of rifle ready to go. But wouldn't ya know it, I never use the damn thing except for at the range. Us giving up our range toys isn't going to make you less free. 

How about instead of demanding action from a single person, we work towards a collective change that actually removes the objectively easy availability of firepower from our society?

For fucks sake it's easy for a 17 year old to get an AR and go hunting in a riot. It's easy for a man known to be making bombs to get an AR and go shoot up a drag show. It's easy for a kid with known mental health problems in Uvalde to go buy an AR and pulp a dozen children. 

How is my """leading by example""" going to make a goddamn bit of difference to any of those people? How is my singular action going to meaningfully impact the national trend (supported by very fine people like you and yours) of ignoring gun laws and letting these terrorists through the cracks? 

You don't give a shit about any of this. You just want us to stop talking about it, so you'll busy yourself with attacking individuals and finding reasons like hYpoCriSy to ignore them, and happily rinse the gore off and wait for another group you find icky to get massacred

I think the thing with certain posters here is that they like it when mass shootings happen, particularly when it targets a minority group. MIB likes it because he's a deranged psycho (some day we're going to hear about another mass shooting and he won't show up to troll the thread because he'll have been the shooter) and cornpop likes it because it owns us libs and gives him an opportunity to troll. There's no reason to seriously engage with them. It's not like you're going to have a productive discussion with them where there's a chance of finding some common ground.

[Serak The Preparer 3431]

2 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

I think the thing with certain posters here is that they like it when mass shootings happen, particularly when it targets a minority group. MIB likes it because he's a deranged psycho (some day we're going to hear about another mass shooting and he won't show up to troll the thread because he'll have been the shooter) and cornpop likes it because it owns us libs and gives him an opportunity to troll. There's no reason to seriously engage with them. It's not like you're going to have a productive discussion with them where there's a chance of finding some common ground.

You forget @Macklemore wanting to shoot brown people.

[jimmyjazz 45897]

Wait, I thought @Macklemore was brown?

We need a sock glossary.

[CooterBrown 18005]

From one of the Twitter threads.

[fattyflattie 4639]

11 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Wait, I thought @Macklemore was brown?

We need a sock glossary.

He is. 

[jimmyjazz 45897]

Here's one of the many things that bothers me about those family gun photos:  whether or not the adults actually value them as an expression of their rights under 2A, the kids are almost surely going to see them as simply worshipping guns.  There is a difference between valuing our constitutionally guaranteed freedoms and valuing guns themselves.

I'm sure that's too fine a distinction for these people.  And, I'm sure plenty of those adults worship the guns, too.

[TwiceHorn 31446]

My father, who wasn't much of a hunter or shooter, thought it sufficiently important that I be taught to shoot/handle guns that I was given a Daisy Model 99 Champion at about 8-9 years of age.  For several years, it was something Dad and I did together.

And, over the years, I became interested in hunting and shooting sports and acquired several guns.

But neither my parents nor I would ever DREAM of a Christmas card photo of the family bearing arms.  That's just grotesque fetishization.

It's. A. Fetish.  Probably actually sexual in a whole lot of cases.

[conVINCEd 21469]

It’s just a 🖕to people that aren’t on their team.

[Guest]

6 hours ago, Captainant said:

I mean I've changed my voting habits, stopped buying firearms stuff (aside from shells for birds), and have actively campaigned for some gun control measures as a response to these horrific events. Much like climate change, a single person taking action doesn't make a shit. It has to be collective to actually get us closer to a reality in which religious extremists stop using it to slaughter what they consider to be SINNERS and PEDOS and anyone else their pastor tells them to hate

I’m not sure why anyone is arguing (I’m half-joking). JS said some inflammatory shit about “Evangelicals” and the discussion devolved to Westboro Baptist Church being the mainstream leader of all non-Catholic Christians in America. They are not and Robert Jeffress is a terrible person. I’m UMC and this act (same in Orlando and racist shooting in Buffalo) is pure evil.  I find Jeffress’ hatred deplorable, and, fringey.  WBC and the Watauga pastor’s words are DEFINITELY fringey. I’m not sure about mainstream Baptists these days, but doubt they follow this line of thinking. 

Regardless, I am sorry there are people with platforms who speak in this manner. It’s not what I believe or was taught, and it’s embarrassing being associated with them. And it leads to shit like Saturday night.  

[Guest]

45 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

My father, who wasn't much of a hunter or shooter, thought it sufficiently important that I be taught to shoot/handle guns that I was given a Daisy Model 99 Champion at about 8-9 years of age.  For several years, it was something Dad and I did together.

And, over the years, I became interested in hunting and shooting sports and acquired several guns.

But neither my parents nor I would ever DREAM of a Christmas card photo of the family bearing arms.  That's just grotesque fetishization.

It's. A. Fetish.  Probably actually sexual in a whole lot of cases.

If I ever got a Christmas card like that I’d never associate with that family again. 

[YGIFS 19450]

I'm getting the overwhelming feeling of not enough thoughts and prayers.  Y'all don't pray the hell out of that prayer and we're gonna have another incident like this before the month is out.  Pray!  Dammit!  Pray!  

[Captainant 27647]

23 minutes ago, Porterhouse said:

Regardless, I am sorry there are people with platforms who speak in this manner. It’s not what I believe or was taught, and it’s embarrassing being associated with them. And it leads to shit like Saturday night.  

What's crazy is that it's not what I was taught growing up, but there's other people I grew up with in the same environment who never deprogrammed who are now repeating the same hateful rhetoric that I've been harping on. I don't know how they got there from the place our paths parted. 

But it's a pattern that I see from coast to coast, with startling synchrony in picking up new talking points and "just asking questions" about the same conspiratorial theories. And we are seeing a ramp up of those conspiracy theories being used as motivation for a terrorist attack.

It's a fucking cancer that's been left to metastasize in the protestant evangelical christian community, and I see no signs of any evangelical leader giving enough of a shit to do anything about it. 

[conVINCEd 21469]

1 minute ago, Captainant said:

It's a fucking cancer that's been left to metastasize in the protestant evangelical christian community, and I see no signs of any evangelical leader giving enough of a shit to do anything about it. 

[Bama Chick 28596]

My father, who wasn't much of a hunter or shooter, thought it sufficiently important that I be taught to shoot/handle guns that I was given a Daisy Model 99 Champion at about 8-9 years of age.  For several years, it was something Dad and I did together.
And, over the years, I became interested in hunting and shooting sports and acquired several guns.
But neither my parents nor I would ever DREAM of a Christmas card photo of the family bearing arms.  That's just grotesque fetishization.
It's. A. Fetish.  Probably actually sexual in a whole lot of cases.

I know, right?

Imagine that same photo but with machetes or scythes or something.

It’s just weird and gross.

[mchookem 16325]

1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

It's. A. Fetish.  Probably actually sexual in a whole lot of cases.

absolutely.

complete and total fetishization and infatuation with machines created for the singular purpose of killing.

creepy and gross. yeehaw!!

[Gourmand 7774]

have they released any photos of the shooter  or updated his condition?

I am not a violent person but I am  really hoping that hero bashed his face in pretty pretty good and we get to see the fruits of his heroism.

[Fondren & Main 6709]

Any update on the motive?

[Brisketexan 105093]

Any update on the motive?

Antifa. Duh.

[Samson's Wig 3191]

20 hours ago, ChuckNorrisActionJeans said:

This is all such a primitive guy thing too. Women who aren't MAGA or otherwise brainwashed are on the sidelines baffled about the obsessive focus on and fetishization of these weapons. It's just so damned juvenile. Another instance where more women in leadership would moderate shit.

Tell me you don't know any redneck women without telling me you don't know any redneck women.

 

Most educated people live in a bubble, myself included, but I escaped the shit-show to get here.  Women, generally speaking, won't moderate a damn thing.  The right woman might, though.