Formula 1 2023

[Guest]

Just to confirm:

 

 

[Levi 2576]

Lame 

[Fudbelty 2785]

I suppose rooting for Merc is like rooting for the Yankees yet I still do it. That being said, holy shit Red Bull (Max Specifically) is not going to be stopped this year. They’re just dragging their nuts across the field.

[wood 11121]

2 hours ago, RPM said:

That was a BS penalty. Too far left? What was the advantage gained?

Yeah they've really gotten strict about that. People used to line up all kinds of crazy ways and were fine as long as they didn't go too far forward. The second penalty is kinda BS though because they waited 2/3 of the race and finally told him with about 2 laps left. Had they told him sooner, he could have pushed for a 10s gap and probably could have done it.

[aggie08 21414]

31 minutes ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

2. I don't think Sergio has figured out if you want to be the world champion, you have to go for the jugular at all times. Have to be selfish.

He was pretty agitated at his team when they told him he was fine lapping at 1:33 after they told him Max just drove a 1:32.6. That was with 8 laps left and a 5 second lead, and he still wanted no part of letting Max close the gap.

[wood 11121]

1 hour ago, Goofyboy said:

Cleaner track lines.

He was already on the dirty side. I can't see any advantage to be had by moving further from the racing line. Alonso said it was just a mistake by him. Probably distracted or something when rolling up to the box.

[wood 11121]

16 minutes ago, Levi said:

Lame 

Yeah I'm not sure how the rule reads, but just having the jack "in position and ready" (as Martin put it) shouldn't be considered 'touching or working on the car' imho. Oh well. Still a great drive, the car is fast AF, and Alonso got to celebrate on the podium, so it's all good.

[elfenix 34169]

 

 

 

it's astounding to me that you can serve a penalty during a safety car

[deft 6791]

Apparently you can’t thus the issue.

[wood 11121]

Just now, deft said:

Apparently you can’t thus the issue.

No, the issue was having the jack where it was before the 5 seconds were up. You can serve the penalty at any time, and iirc it has to be at your first stop after receiving it.

[Burt Macklin 18989]

It’s crazy how often teams screw up serving the 5 second penalty. Almost as crazy as how much Ferrari have regressed over the offseason. Binotto left the team with a real winner of a car this year 

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, Burt Macklin said:

It’s crazy how often teams screw up serving the 5 second penalty. 

I've only been watching about four years, but this season is the first that I can recall. Am I wrong?

[ConferenceRoom 6123]

It happened to Zhou last year in this race. 

Edited March 19, 2023 by ConferenceRoom

[Burt Macklin 18989]

10 minutes ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

I've only been watching about four years, but this season is the first that I can recall. Am I wrong?

 Gasly had it happen last year at AT, and I think I remember a couple others last year. 

[wood 11121]

I also don't understand why the second penalty is 2x the first one. IMHO if the first one is served incorrectly, it should just be considered 'not served', and they should have to serve the same 5s penalty. But oh well ...

Mike Krack ...

... said on German Sky that given how the car and the jack are shaped it's impossible to say from the camera angle if it touched it, he doesn't know either and that they have to analyze. He also said that the jack touching the car wouldn't be the forbidden working on the car as he understands it.

Nice to see Russell in the presser saying that 5 secs for the box issue is already too hard because there was no advantage and he himself can't even really see the yellow perpendicular line either and the white ones not at all, and that the additional 10 for the "touching" is lacking common sense.

Obviously, it's not clear to the teams, as two different teams have done the same thing in the first two races of 2023.

Edited March 19, 2023 by wood

[Anton Chigurh 3318]

Penalty is now undone.

I don’t mind that decision but can we get this stuff right the first time, please?

[dieucla98 2933]

It's like Ferrari runs the stewards, too.

[wood 11121]

1 hour ago, Anton Chigurh said:

Penalty is now undone.

I don’t mind that decision but can we get this stuff right the first time, please?

[PittsburghTiger 6137]

On 3/18/2023 at 10:30 AM, Mittens said:

I'm liking what Bernie Collins brings to the table.  Be nice if English was her first language, but still informative.

I thought the same two things. She was a bit hard to understand at times but, I liked what she had to say. A nice addition.

[deft 6791]

Penalty is now undone.

I don’t mind that decision but can we get this stuff right the first time, please?

There needs to be a rule where it’s enforced within X number of laps. Otherwise you get Mercedes coming along in the penultimate lap saying “hey we just now noticed this” bullshit.

No Michael, this is so not right.

[MH BEVO 1264]

…is it safe? Is the podium officially official?

[wood 11121]

Seems like it. They changed the standings back.

[NoName 16286]

11 hours ago, MH BEVO said:

…is it safe? Is the podium officially official?

 

10 hours ago, wood said:

Seems like it. They changed the standings back.

yes, it's official

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/alonso-gets-saudi-f1-podium-back-after-penalty-ruling-overturned-/10446229/
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statement from the governing body said about the stewards: “They stated that what was agreed at the SAC (Sporting Advisory Committee) meetings with the teams was that no part of the car could be touched while a penalty was being served as this would constitute working on the car.”

A few hours after the race, however, the FIA announced that it had changed its mind because Aston Martin said that no such agreement was in place among teams.

A statement said: "Having reviewed the new evidence, we concluded that there was no clear agreement, as was suggested to the Stewards previously, that could be relied upon to determine that parties had agreed that a jack touching a car would amount to working on the car, without more.

“In the circumstances, we considered that our original decision to impose a penalty on Car 14 needed to be reversed and we did so accordingly.”

 

 

[Guest]

So two weeks until Australia and then another four until Baku.

What a weird start to the season. 

[NoName 16286]

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i know there is a sensor that sets this off and that Alonso's sensor didn't get set off to say he was in position while others did but it's interesting.

 

 

[kevwun 15608]

He probably would have passed Checo without doing that.  He's slow off the start pretty often.

[Dutch 4465]

I know I'm just a surly asshole, but why are they going Saudi - Australia - Baku - Miami - Imola?  Seems like an awful lot of flying around. Why not Baku then Australia?  And why is Qatar smack in the middle of Japan and Austin?  Maybe have Qatar while they're already in the Middle East?  

[dieucla98 2933]

Because they care about the environment.

[NoName 16286]

14 minutes ago, Dutch said:

I know I'm just a surly asshole, but why are they going Saudi - Australia - Baku - Miami - Imola?  Seems like an awful lot of flying around. Why not Baku then Australia?  And why is Qatar smack in the middle of Japan and Austin?  Maybe have Qatar while they're already in the Middle East?  

initially it was Saudi - Australia - China - Baku - Miami - Imola - and it is a lot of flying around for sure. they don't do jack shit when it comes to what can actually impact their carbon footprint, which is less transportation or more efficient transportation

[VABuckeye 2472]

14 hours ago, PittsburghTiger said:

I thought the same two things. She was a bit hard to understand at times but, I liked what she had to say. A nice addition.

Not directed at you.  She's from Ireland.  I'm fairly certain English is her first language.

Edited March 20, 2023 by VABuckeye

[NoName 16286]

15 minutes ago, VABuckeye said:

Not directed at you.  She's from Ireland.  I'm fairly certain English is her first language.

i wonder if they had people mixed up, because she's from Northern Island and worked for McLaren, Force India/Aston Martin and soudns like she has pretty much only ever worked in the UK?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernadette_Collins

[Mittens 8148]

40 minutes ago, VABuckeye said:

Not directed at you.  She's from Ireland.  I'm fairly certain English is her first language.

C'mon man.

[VABuckeye 2472]

39 minutes ago, Mittens said:

C'mon man.

Sometimes the Surly sarcasm goes whoosh right over my head.

I have been impressed by the three rookies so far.  None have binned a car and they've all driven well given what they have to drive.

[PittsburghTiger 6137]

1 hour ago, VABuckeye said:

Not directed at you.  She's from Ireland.  I'm fairly certain English is her first language.

 

41 minutes ago, Mittens said:

C'mon man.

 

2 minutes ago, VABuckeye said:

Sometimes the Surly sarcasm goes whoosh right over my head.

I have been impressed by the three rookies so far.  None have binned a car and they've all driven well given what they have to drive.

Sarcasm is your friend.

😆

[wood 11121]

So, COTA tweeted this after the race. Clowns.

 

[kevwun 15608]

Now we know that katfid runs the COTA social media accounts.

[wood 11121]

Wow. All the wailing from Lewis, George, and the The Torger about RBR dominance is pretty hilarious.

[wood 11121]

FIA launches tender for F1 tyre supplier from 2025 https://www.motorsportweek.com/2023/03/20/fia-launches-tender-for-f1-tyres-from-2025/

Please, please, PLEASE let it be Michelin...

 

Reality check: It won't be Michelin, because they won't be interested in building a tire to F1's shitty specs. The only way they'd enter under those specs is if they were going to be competing with another tire manufacturer so they could publicly whoop that ass.

[Prepuce of Doom 20982]

Ferrari's IT system is being held by ransomware. 

Edited March 20, 2023 by Prepuce of Doom

[wood 11121]

Hackers are the scariest MFers on earth imho. 

[ChickenSandwich 9798]

10 hours ago, NoName said:

 

yes, it's official

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/alonso-gets-saudi-f1-podium-back-after-penalty-ruling-overturned-/10446229/
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AM brought the receipts

The FIA summons an Aston team representative (sporting director Andy Stevenson) to the stewards for a right to review hearing of the 21:45 decision. This meeting is scheduled for 00:10 - 40 minutes after the update is sent out.

“The stewards send their conclusions from the right to review hearing to the Aston Martin team manager. In support of the position for review, it is revealed that the minutes of the latest SAC meeting were called upon in addition to video evidence of seven different instances where cars were touched by the jack while serving a similar penalty to the one imposed on Alonso without being penalised.”

The FIA reasoning read: "The clear submission by the team was that the alleged representation of an agreement between the FIA and the teams that touching the car in any way, including with a jack, would constitute “working” on the car was incorrect and therefore the basis of the steward’s decision was wrong."

 

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/how-the-fias-alonso-saudi-arabian-gp-penalty-u-turn-played-out/10446392/

[deft 6791]

 

Not before GR tweeted tho. Hilarious response after of course.

[Mittens 8148]

 

[Burt Macklin 18989]

59 minutes ago, ChickenSandwich said:

AM brought the receipts

The FIA summons an Aston team representative (sporting director Andy Stevenson) to the stewards for a right to review hearing of the 21:45 decision. This meeting is scheduled for 00:10 - 40 minutes after the update is sent out.

“The stewards send their conclusions from the right to review hearing to the Aston Martin team manager. In support of the position for review, it is revealed that the minutes of the latest SAC meeting were called upon in addition to video evidence of seven different instances where cars were touched by the jack while serving a similar penalty to the one imposed on Alonso without being penalised.”

The FIA reasoning read: "The clear submission by the team was that the alleged representation of an agreement between the FIA and the teams that touching the car in any way, including with a jack, would constitute “working” on the car was incorrect and therefore the basis of the steward’s decision was wrong."

 

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/how-the-fias-alonso-saudi-arabian-gp-penalty-u-turn-played-out/10446392/

I saw some people whine about how Ocon’s penalty wasn’t overturned in Bahrain. Something tells me that Alpine, the team who couldn’t even figure out how to get Piastri to sign a binding contract, may not have presented as good of an argument as Aston Martin. 

[wood 11121]

15 minutes ago, Burt Macklin said:

I saw some people whine about how Ocon’s penalty wasn’t overturned in Bahrain. Something tells me that Alpine, the team who couldn’t even figure out how to get Piastri to sign a binding contract, may not have presented as good of an argument as Aston Martin. 

Probably not, but they also didn't have much of a case for overturning imho, iirc. Weren't they actually working on the wing or something before the time was up? Sorry if misremembering. Slept since then.

Edited March 21, 2023 by wood

[Superhero 8762]

Is anyone giddy as a schoolgirl that McLaren, especially Landon is sucking ass this season?

[Guest]

44 minutes ago, Superhero said:

Is anyone giddy as a schoolgirl that McLaren, especially Landon is sucking ass this season?

When asked if he had any sympathy for Ricciardo's Lando's difficult season, Norris FirstTimeCaller said: "I hate to say it, but I would say no.

"People will probably hate me for saying it but it's difficult because I never know if I might encounter that in the future with this car message board or with a different team thread or whatever, so I never want to contradict myself going into the future, but I've just got to focus on my driving shitposting."

Not a Lando fan. He's always rubbed me the wrong way, but then again, I don't know the guy either. It will be interesting to see how he responds as I get the vibe that he could be good for some drama in the media if he stays stuck at the bottom. 

 

Edited March 21, 2023 by FirstTimeCaller

[Dutch 4465]

59 minutes ago, Superhero said:

Is anyone giddy as a schoolgirl that McLaren, especially Landon is sucking ass this season?

 

15 minutes ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

When asked if he had any sympathy for Ricciardo's Lando's difficult season, Norris FirstTimeCaller said: "I hate to say it, but I would say no.

"People will probably hate me for saying it but it's difficult because I never know if I might encounter that in the future with this car message board or with a different team thread or whatever, so I never want to contradict myself going into the future, but I've just got to focus on my driving shitposting."

Not a Lando fan. He's always rubbed me the wrong way, but then again, I don't know the guy either. It will be interesting to see how he responds as I get the vibe that he could be good for some drama in the media if he stays stuck at the bottom. 

 

 

[ConferenceRoom 6123]

Butthurt Daniel fans. Gotta love 'em. 

[Prepuce of Doom 20982]

Hulkenberg has some strange ideas.