Formula 1 2023

[PittsburghTiger 6186]

Interesting early pit stop for Hamilton, comes out in 12th. Switched to hard tires, smart move. Max into the pits to put on hards during the yellow. A bit of luck for Max.

Edited April 30, 2023 by PittsburghTiger

[RPM 26320]

Hahaha Fuck Hamilton! Go Checo!

[PittsburghTiger 6186]

Safety Car. Should help Perez if they can get a quick pit stop.

[PittsburghTiger 6186]

2 minutes ago, RPM said:

Hahaha Fuck Hamilton! Go Checo!

I won’t argue with your first statement.

[PittsburghTiger 6186]

Everyone in front of Hamilton is on hard tires. As is the entire field.

[PittsburghTiger 6186]

How is Russell allowed to sort of pass Stroll in the Pit Lane?

[RPM 26320]

Wait... Passing on Pit Lane is legal?

[McCroskey 1504]

Just now, RPM said:

Wait... Passing on Pit Lane is legal?

Seems to be "yes" so long as you still aren't exceeding the speed limit.  Stroll was going too slow trying trying to make the double stack work.

[PittsburghTiger 6186]

Great fun on the restart.

Big Balls on Alonso

[McCroskey 1504]

oooh that was some good shit, Fernando.

[PittsburghTiger 6186]

Well done Lance, return to form, and the wall.

[PittsburghTiger 6186]

9 minutes ago, McCroskey said:

Seems to be "yes" so long as you still aren't exceeding the speed limit.  Stroll was going too slow trying trying to make the double stack work.

Doesn’t seem right to me. There are solid lines in the pits. 

Hamilton will get Stroll. Stroll is not good enough.

[PittsburghTiger 6186]

Russell is now creeping up on Stroll.

[McCroskey 1504]

Lot of the guys are really getting loose in the turns now.

[PittsburghTiger 6186]

1 minute ago, McCroskey said:

Lot of the guys are really getting loose in the turns now.

Yeah, I noticed that as well. I didn’t hear them say what the temperature was there today. It looks nice but, not sure if temperature is doing anything. Or, it’s just these guys driving at the limit.

[RPM 26320]

4 minutes ago, PittsburghTiger said:

Russell is now creeping up on Stroll.

[RPM 26320]

1 minute ago, PittsburghTiger said:

I didn’t hear them say what the temperature was there today.

 

They covered it pre-race. Around 25c but track temp was higher.

[Fastbreak 3985]

I just recovered from covid. Apparently people smoking in bars and a few beers doesn’t work me now. I’m out for the rest of the race. Hit the wall.

[PittsburghTiger 6186]

Gonna hit the DVR and head to early mass.

 

Looks like they are going to the end on these tires.

[RPM 26320]

Checo wins! Wow what a shitshow on pit road. Lucky somebody wasn't hurt.

[RamjetFDO 10575]

Ocon doing his mandatory stop on literally the last lap just about plowed through a crowd of people in pit lane.

[TonyTexas 10512]

🥱

[dieucla98 2942]

2 hours ago, TonyTexas said:

🥱

Big time.

The most excitement was in the pit lane - Russell/Stroll and Ocon nearly plowing a crowd.

[Guest]

Man, that was a race! Of all the races I've ever seen, that was definitely one of them!

[Anton Chigurh 3319]

Yes. One of the races of all time.

[ChickenSandwich 9836]

Not sure the point of having tires purposely designed to degrade when the Hards can go the whole race with no issues. 
 

No one could pass Ocon’s old ass tires lol.  Dud of a race after the second off season. 
 

Street races suck

[PittsburghTiger 6186]

Someone should be fired for the pit lane fiasco. I’ve been in a lot of pit areas and that shit is just unacceptable.

[Horny Bull 2759]

2 minutes ago, PittsburghTiger said:

Someone should be fired for the pit lane fiasco. I’ve been in a lot of pit areas and that shit is just unacceptable.

Came here to post something similar. That was ridiculous. 

[Guest]

21 minutes ago, Horny Bull said:

Came here to post something similar. That was ridiculous. 

But we did get "This is a shambles!" added to the lexicon. 

[PittsburghTiger 6186]

28 minutes ago, Horny Bull said:

Came here to post something similar. That was ridiculous. 

I have been to a ton of dirt tracks and had to be in the pits. They are very dangerous areas. I’ve been in NASCAR pits and even a couple IndyCar pits. It’s dangerous as fuck.

At dirt tracks, at least, you have people who have grown up in the pits and know what the hell they are doing.

This today looked like the photo brigade was released early. 

[Dutch 4465]

4 hours ago, PittsburghTiger said:

I This today looked like the photo brigade was released early. 

Yeah, looks like whomever let them into the pit area forgot there was still one car needing to change tires. Not great, Bob.

Regarding Fernando giving Stroll his brake balance settings:

1. Because Lance is is bosses son?

2. He knows Lance poses zero threat to him?

3. Lance going faster keeps the chasing pack away from him?

4. A return for Lance not attacking him early on?

5. All of the above?

[Paper_jam 831]

Horner was practically apologetic that Perez won (instead of Max).

[wood 11225]

14 hours ago, Fastbreak said:

You can smoke in bars here. I forgot how disgusting it is.

Yeah I 100% do not miss that shit.

[wood 11225]

13 hours ago, RPM said:

 

They covered it pre-race. Around 25c but track temp was higher.

They were saying track temp at race time was about 42c, whatever that translates to in 'Murican. A lot hotter than yesterday.

[wood 11225]

10 hours ago, PittsburghTiger said:

Someone should be fired for the pit lane fiasco. I’ve been in a lot of pit areas and that shit is just unacceptable.

I guess someone on the ground fucked up and gave the order early or the gate personnel fucked up. That's not a policy thing. I've been in that crowd waiting with the photogs a couple of times and they always made sure it was safe before letting us out onto pit lane. And yeah as Pitt Tigfer said, if you're ever out on the pit lane or in the Paddock, watch your ass.

Edited May 1, 2023 by wood

[Guest]

14 hours ago, Paper_jam said:

Horner was practically apologetic that Perez won (instead of Max).

I want to say "oh, the battle between Checo and Max will be interesting this year!" But I don't believe it. There's no doubt in my mind that Max will get every advantage from the team. 

There will be drama, but I don't see the championship being a nail-biter unless Max crashes out of a couple of races.

That said, color me surprised that Checo was able to keep Max at a distance. I didn't see that coming.

Edited May 1, 2023 by FirstTimeCaller

[TonyTexas 10512]

14 hours ago, Paper_jam said:

Horner was practically apologetic that Perez won (instead of Max).

Yep. In the post-race radio call to Max, Horner attributed Perez’ win to luck. 

[kevwun 15788]

19 minutes ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

I want to say "oh, the battle between Checo and Max will be interesting this year!" But I don't believe it. There's no doubt in my mind that Max will get every advantage from the team. 

There will be drama, but I don't see the championship being a nail-biter unless Max crashes out of a couple of races.

That said, color me surprised that Checo was able to keep Max at a distance. I didn't see that coming.

Baku is Checo's best track so that played a part in it.  He's better than everyone there.

[wood 11225]

14 minutes ago, TonyTexas said:

Yep. In the post-race radio call to Max, Horner attributed Perez’ win to luck. 

Maybe he shouldn't have said that over the radio, but he's not wrong. There was no way Checo was winning without some misfortune for Max. That came in the form of a dumb quick trigger box call from the pit wall. 

[PittsburghTiger 6186]

https://www.autoweek.com/racing/formula-1/a43749355/f1-addresses-very-dangerous-situation-in-pit-lane-in-baku/?source=nl&utm_source=nl_aut&utm_medium=email&date=043023&utm_campaign=nl31331853&user_email=31c2dfdc9d26b279ccc984f1c0dc5129a85bd4b745edae0328269b064ab70be7&GID=31c2dfdc9d26b279ccc984f1c0dc5129a85bd4b745edae0328269b064ab70be7&utm_term=AUT_Autoweek_Weekend_Racing_Wrapup_Newsletter_Subscribers

 

 

Story about the cluster-fuck at the end of the race. It's not a very in-depth, or consequential, story. Just an overview of what we all said.

Edited May 1, 2023 by PittsburghTiger

[NoName 16351]

1 hour ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

I want to say "oh, the battle between Checo and Max will be interesting this year!" But I don't believe it. There's no doubt in my mind that Max will get every advantage from the team. 

There will be drama, but I don't see the championship being a nail-biter unless Max crashes out of a couple of races.

That said, color me surprised that Checo was able to keep Max at a distance. I didn't see that coming.

y'all need to stop letting your hate for Max cloud your vision on this situation.

...wouldn't every team on the grid favor the 25 year old 2x champion signed to a long term contract over the 33 year old whose contract expires after next season? that's without considering the existing RBR/Horner/Max relationship and the fact Max drove in their junior program.

in literally every single single statistic one driver is better than the other driver. one guy has more career wins than the other guy has podiums and there are people out there (not limited to just here) who think it's really close between the two drivers and that act like the only reason the younger driver does better is because he gets favor from the team.

then again, let's not act like it really matters, the gap in both quali and race pace last year pretty clearly showed that Max was much better in the car last year and it wasn't particularly close. these are from the full 2022 season.

race pace, 2nd biggest gap on the grid behind Danny Ric 🤐:

and quali, 2nd biggest ahead of Goatifi > Albon. even more of a gap than Danny to Lando:

wish i could pull from the f1teammatecomparison app, which used a certain % of laps and was way more accurate but it died with all of the herokuapp free account deletion acopolypse and instead i am going with this one from reddit.

 

here are the results for 2021 - the gap was the largest on the grid for race pace
 

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quali:

race:

 

[Burt Macklin 19024]

1 hour ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

I want to say "oh, the battle between Checo and Max will be interesting this year!" But I don't believe it. There's no doubt in my mind that Max will get every advantage from the team. 

There will be drama, but I don't see the championship being a nail-biter unless Max crashes out of a couple of races.

That said, color me surprised that Checo was able to keep Max at a distance. I didn't see that coming.

Yeah. The best we can hope for is Checo staying within striking distance k year, but I doubt even that happens. Max learns his car over the course of the year and adjusts to it. Checo is much more limited in how much he can adapt to a car. Plus, a lot of Checo’s best tracks seem to come early in the season, like Jeddah and Baku. 

1 hour ago, wood said:

Maybe he shouldn't have said that over the radio, but he's not wrong. There was no way Checo was winning without some misfortune for Max. That came in the form of a dumb quick trigger box call from the pit wall. 

I don’t think it was a dumb quick trigger. They had been planning for Max to box that lap, so it was a snap judgment call on whether De Vries would cause a safety car, and it was clear at that moment if he had just locked up or it was something more serious like his broken suspension. 
 

Stroll was also insanely lucky that race. He hit the exact same corner as De Vries in a similar manner and got no damage. He continues to show he’s worthy of being in F1, but he’s capped at below average, and that’s with receiving every advantage a driver could imagine his entire way coming up. 

[Burt Macklin 19024]

This some good race pace data from Reddit. Also so and Leclerc we’re extremely similar. It goes to show what a difference a driver can make. They were both about half a second per lap faster than their teammates, and Leclerc being 8 tenths faster than Sainz in qualifying was just absurd.
 

He seems to pull about half a second more out of his car in S2 of Baku than anyone else can manage. Ferrari’s race pace just emphasizes how other-worldly his qualifying performances were. Sadly, all that brilliance probably only gained him one extra point over the whole weekend than if he had just been solid and qualified P3. We could have a really fun battle between Leclerc and Alonso for P3 this year, if Ferrari can stop blowing up engines and fucking up strategy. But that’s about as likely as Alpine scoring points during a race weekend. 
 

Speaking of, Alpine have only scored points  in 2 out of 4 races this year and their highest single finish is 8th. That’s so pathetic for a works team better resources than over half the grid. 
 

 

Edited May 1, 2023 by Burt Macklin

[wood 11225]

1 hour ago, NoName said:

y'all need to stop letting your hate for Max cloud your vision on this situation.

...wouldn't every team on the grid favor the 25 year old 2x champion signed to a long term contract over the 33 year old whose contract expires after next season?

Yes. It's common practice.

[wood 11225]

57 minutes ago, Burt Macklin said:

I don’t think it was a dumb quick trigger. They had been planning for Max to box that lap, so it was a snap judgment call on whether De Vries would cause a safety car, and it was clear at that moment if he had just locked up or it was something more serious like his broken suspension. 

Yeah maybe that was a little harsh of me, but what I thought was just go one more lap, and then you know for sure. I doubt one more lap would have killed the strategy given the performance advantage they enjoy.

[Burt Macklin 19024]

45 minutes ago, wood said:

Yeah maybe that was a little harsh of me, but what I thought was just go one more lap, and then you know for sure. I doubt one more lap would have killed the strategy given the performance advantage they enjoy.

I think I heard Max was asking to come in because he had worse tyre deg than Checo and didn’t want to give him DRS and then be susceptible to the overcut, but yeah they should’ve waited a lap. I think it all happened in like less than 20 seconds though, so hard to think it through and react. 

[wood 11225]

15 minutes ago, Burt Macklin said:

I think I heard Max was asking to come in because he had worse tyre deg than Checo and didn’t want to give him DRS and then be susceptible to the overcut, but yeah they should’ve waited a lap. I think it all happened in like less than 20 seconds though, so hard to think it through and react. 

Yeah the timing was terrible given max's position on the track. 

[Guest]

2 hours ago, NoName said:

y'all need to stop letting your hate for Max cloud your vision on this situation.

...wouldn't every team on the grid favor the 25 year old 2x champion signed to a long term contract over the 33 year old whose contract expires after next season? that's without considering the existing RBR/Horner/Max relationship and the fact Max drove in their junior program.

in literally every single single statistic one driver is better than the other driver. one guy has more career wins than the other guy has podiums and there are people out there (not limited to just here) who think it's really close between the two drivers and that act like the only reason the younger driver does better is because he gets favor from the team.

then again, let's not act like it really matters, the gap in both quali and race pace last year pretty clearly showed that Max was much better in the car last year and it wasn't particularly close. these are from the full 2022 season.

race pace, 2nd biggest gap on the grid behind Danny Ric 🤐:

and quali, 2nd biggest ahead of Goatifi > Albon. even more of a gap than Danny to Lando:

wish i could pull from the f1teammatecomparison app, which used a certain % of laps and was way more accurate but it died with all of the herokuapp free account deletion acopolypse and instead i am going with this one from reddit.

 

here are the results for 2021 - the gap was the largest on the grid for race pace
 

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quali:

race:

 

Lol. Do you know who you're replying to? If anything, I'm among the biggest Max fans on this thread.

I said that because without help, there's no way that Checo can keep with Max over a season. Add in that Max is the number 1, and it's going to be even more pronounced. I only wish they would battle to keep things interesting. Because at this point you've got to think the only person that could even think about denying Max a third title is Perez.

 

 

[kevwun 15788]

 Leclerc got asked after the race if he thought Ferrari had made any gains on Red Bull and he said probably not because we don't actually know how much faster they are than us because it's very likely they aren't pushing very hard right now because they don't have to.

[NoName 16351]

47 minutes ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

Lol. Do you know who you're replying to? If anything, I'm among the biggest Max fans on this thread.

I said that because without help, there's no way that Checo can keep with Max over a season. Add in that Max is the number 1, and it's going to be even more pronounced. I only wish they would battle to keep things interesting. Because at this point you've got to think the only person that could even think about denying Max a third title is Perez.

ok then, my fault. i agree with everything you said re: it becoming more pronounced and who can possibly beat him (although I would say the only one who can deny Max a third title is Max, not Checo haha)